In a message dated 04/05/2000 3:10:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: > Furthermore: > > At 06:47 AM 4/5/00 EDT, you wrote: > > >Your own words in the following action, which you allowed: > > I suppose I could dig up stuff about things you've said in the past that > would not be in agreement with what you say now - but I'm not going to > waste my time on such. Folks do have the right to change their minds on > stuff. > > >>"Subj: [BOARD-L] Census Project Seat Motion > >>Date: 03/04/2000 11:53:48 PM Eastern Standard Time > >>From: tstowell@chattanooga.net (Tim Stowell) > >>Reply-to: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com > >>To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com > > > >>At 08:50 AM 3/4/00 -0800, Joy wrote: > >>>Since the Census Project Advisory Board position has been declared vacant, > > >>>I move that the position be filled with Ron Eason. > >>> > > > >>Now that Joy's motion above has a second, by Joe, it is numbered 00-5 and > >>is open for discussion. > > > >>Tim > > > >Also in support I offer the evidence that Motion 99-25B was a Motion to > >Appoint Ed Book as Board Secretary and Motion 99-26 which was a Motion to > >Appoint Richard Howland. > > >None of the above Motions were ruled out of order and all of them were > >allowed. > > And records show that you didn't bother to vote on these motions. > > > > >Virginia (Ginger) Cisewski > > > As I said above folks can change their minds - besides you are the one who > keeps bringing up RRO all the time like it was written in stone - guess > what - it's fluid too - else they wouldn't keep revising it - the Bylaws > say nothing of using RRO exclusively. > > The Bylaws infer that folks will use their common sense, if they have any, > as everything is not spelled out. > > > Tim > > The Bylaws state: "ARTICLE VI: DUTIES/QUALIFICATIONS OF ADVISORY BOARD Section 1. The Advisory Board shall perform the duties prescribed by these Bylaws, and by accepted parliamentary procedures" Changing policy from one week to the next to suit your personal agenda under the vague umbrella of 'common sense' is the poorest of excuses. I ask again for justification, be it Robert's or some other accepted guide of parliamentary procedure, as the Bylaws require of us. Virginia (Ginger) Cisewski "It takes two to speak the truth: one to talk, another to hear." ----Henry David Thoreau

--part1_42.3b42269.261cf994_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_42.3b42269.261cf994_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <sandie@ix.netcom.com> Received: from rly-st06.mail.aol.com (rly-st06.mail.aol.com [172.31.34.5]) by air-yd04.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 15:20:26 -0400 Received: from rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (rly-zc01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.1]) by rly-st06.mail.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/AOL-5.0.0) with ESMTP id PAA28147 for <FEATHER2s@aol.com>; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (v71.10) with ESMTP; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 15:14:43 -0400 Received: from sandrasa (aus-tx44-21.ix.netcom.com [207.221.76.149]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA11939 for <FEATHER2s@aol.com>; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001e01bf9f33$35ba1800$954cddcf@sandrasa> From: "Sandra Sanchez" <sandie@ix.netcom.com> To: <FEATHER2s@aol.com> Subject: vacant board seat Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:14:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I again nominate Ron Eason for the vacant seat on the board .Even though he was voted in once, it seems the board wants more nominations, Although this is contrary to the way the Archives and Tombstone representatives were seated. Best Wishes Sandra Sanchez Orange County Indiana-State Pages Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~inorange/index.html On Line Census Project Maryland Coordinator http://www.usgenweb.org/census/states/maryland.htm On line Census Project Indiana Coordinator http://www.usgenweb.org/census/states.indiana/indiana.htm Traces of the Past http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/7259 --part1_42.3b42269.261cf994_boundary--

I also feel that this position should be filled as soon as possible and see nothing wrong with it being done by applications. Gloria Pam Reid wrote: > > I am glad to see this come up as I felt that we were letting too much > time pass to guess this seat filled. With another motion riding on the > fulfullment of this one, time is of essence. > > I also see nothing wrong with having it done as an applications > process. The bylaws don't spell out how the Board fills vacant seats - > just that the Board do so. The applications process might bring forward > someone with a great deal of interest whom nobody had thought of before. > > Pam > > Tim Stowell wrote: > > > > The next order of business is for the Board to fill the Census seat on the > > Board. > > > > Interested parties are asked to send their application to the National > > Coordinator for submission to the Board. With the permission of a person > > so named you may submit names other than your own. Applications will be > > accepted until 9 PM EST - Thursday, 6 April. > > > > The address for applications is: tstowell@chattanooga.net > > > > Thank you. > > > > Timothy S Stowell email - tstowell@chattanooga.net > > Chattanooga, TN > > > > National Coordinator USGenWeb Project - http://www.usgenweb.org > > -- Southwest/South Central CC Representative, USGenWeb Advisory Board Personal page http://www.angelfire.com/tx2/gmayfield/index.html TX Tombstone Project Manager http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/Texas/ Texas Surnames http://www.rootsweb.com/~txrusk/txsurnames.html Panola County TX USGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txpanola/ Rusk County TX USGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txrusk/index.htm

<< Your motion is out of order - as nominations are not made for appointed positions. You can however recommned Ron's name along with any other other names as an applicant for the position. >> I challenge this ruling. Please cite your sources for information. I made NO reference to "nominations" but rather I moved to APPOINT Ron Eason. Your own words in the following action, which you allowed: >"Subj: [BOARD-L] Census Project Seat Motion >Date: 03/04/2000 11:53:48 PM Eastern Standard Time >From: tstowell@chattanooga.net (Tim Stowell) >Reply-to: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com >To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com >At 08:50 AM 3/4/00 -0800, Joy wrote: >>Since the Census Project Advisory Board position has been declared vacant, >>I move that the position be filled with Ron Eason. >> >Now that Joy's motion above has a second, by Joe, it is numbered 00-5 and >is open for discussion. >Tim Also in support I offer the evidence that Motion 99-25B was a Motion to Appoint Ed Book as Board Secretary and Motion 99-26 which was a Motion to Appoint Richard Howland. None of the above Motions were ruled out of order and all of them were allowed. Virginia (Ginger) Cisewski "It takes two to speak the truth: one to talk, another to hear." ----Henry David Thoreau

An application for Ron Eason has been received.

I am glad to see this come up as I felt that we were letting too much time pass to guess this seat filled. With another motion riding on the fulfullment of this one, time is of essence. I also see nothing wrong with having it done as an applications process. The bylaws don't spell out how the Board fills vacant seats - just that the Board do so. The applications process might bring forward someone with a great deal of interest whom nobody had thought of before. Pam Tim Stowell wrote: > > The next order of business is for the Board to fill the Census seat on the > Board. > > Interested parties are asked to send their application to the National > Coordinator for submission to the Board. With the permission of a person > so named you may submit names other than your own. Applications will be > accepted until 9 PM EST - Thursday, 6 April. > > The address for applications is: tstowell@chattanooga.net > > Thank you. > > Timothy S Stowell email - tstowell@chattanooga.net > Chattanooga, TN > > National Coordinator USGenWeb Project - http://www.usgenweb.org >

At 04:47 PM 4/4/00 EDT, you wrote: >Unless one of you can think of some reason why the USGenWeb Census Project >should be treated in a manner differently than the Archives Project, >Tombstone Project or the Regions, I suggest that the appointment of Census >Rep be carried out exactly as we have done in each of these other areas. The fact is not all Board seats have been chosen in like manner. The Board selected the Northeast Rep by inquiry of potential applicants and then voted upon those applicants. As all voting seats have equal voting rights - the Board may choose from among several options just how it wishes to fill a seat. >Since the passage of the Bylaws the Advisory Board has seated a replacement >Rep. of each group's choosing, irrespective of any personal likes or >dislikes, and has felt honor-bound to do so as a continuing confirmation of >the bottom-up management desired by the USGenWeb Project's membership. > >The clear choice of the Census Project is Ron Eason, therefore > >I move to appoint Ron Eason as Census Project Representative. >Virginia (Ginger) Cisewski Your motion is out of order - as nominations are not made for appointed positions. You can however recommned Ron's name along with any other other names as an applicant for the position. At the point in time that the Board wishes to close off the applicant list - these recommendations can be taken under advisement. Options at that point would include appointment of a committee to study the names sumbitted and offer one or two to the Board for a vote. Or the Board can decide to select one or none of those on the list of applicants as a committee of the whole. Tim

At 07:22 AM 4/4/00 -0500, you wrote: >I also find this a bit precipitate with no discussion as to nomination >procedure, I certainly feel that the amount of time given to nominate >(which must include contacting a potential nominee prior to nomination) >rather short. > >Holly The time limit was put in place to expedite the process. However if the Board wishes to drag the process out for several days / weeks that's ok. Tim >At 06:06 AM 4/4/00 -0400, Virginia (Ginger) Cisewski wrote: >>When did the Board decide that we we would do this?? I don't remember voting >>on such a plan of action. Where is your precedent for issuing such a dictate? >> >> >> >>In a message dated 04/04/2000 3:48:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >>tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: >> >><< The next order of business is for the Board to fill the Census seat on the >> Board. >> >> Interested parties are asked to send their application to the National >> Coordinator for submission to the Board. With the permission of a person >> so named you may submit names other than your own. Applications will be >> accepted until 9 PM EST - Thursday, 6 April. >> >> The address for applications is: tstowell@chattanooga.net >> >> Thank you. >> >> Timothy S Stowell email - tstowell@chattanooga.net >> Chattanooga, TN >> >> National Coordinator USGenWeb Project - http://www.usgenweb.org >> >> >> >>Virginia (Ginger) Cisewski >> >>"It takes two to speak the truth: one to talk, another to hear." >> ----Henry David >> Thoreau >> > > >

At 06:06 AM 4/4/00 EDT, you wrote: >Tim, > >When did the Board decide that we we would do this?? I don't remember voting >on such a plan of action. Where is your precedent for issuing such a dictate? The Board determined that the seat would be filled when it voted that no action would take place on Motion 00-6 prior to seating a rep for the Census seat. Every single item that the Board addresses doesn't have to be motioned, then discussed ad nauseam, be held up to the 'light' of RRO to be handled. It can be handled straight and simple. It's time for some common sense to return to the proceedings here. The members of the Project are tired of seeing nearly everything being completely dissected until nothing remains of the original question. This isn't to say that some things don't need discussing but by and large they don't have to be belittled into meaninglessness. If you seek precedence - the Board selected the filling of the Northeast Representative in this manner. Tim > >In a message dated 04/04/2000 3:48:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: > ><< The next order of business is for the Board to fill the Census seat on the > Board. > > Interested parties are asked to send their application to the National > Coordinator for submission to the Board. With the permission of a person > so named you may submit names other than your own. Applications will be > accepted until 9 PM EST - Thursday, 6 April. > > The address for applications is: tstowell@chattanooga.net > > Thank you. > > Timothy S Stowell email - tstowell@chattanooga.net > Chattanooga, TN > > National Coordinator USGenWeb Project - http://www.usgenweb.org >> > > >Virginia (Ginger) Cisewski > >"It takes two to speak the truth: one to talk, another to hear." > ----Henry David Thoreau > > >

I'll second that motion. James Edward (Jim) Powell Jr FEATHER2s@aol.com wrote: > I move to appoint Ron Eason as Census Project Representative. > > Virginia (Ginger) Cisewski

Unless one of you can think of some reason why the USGenWeb Census Project should be treated in a manner differently than the Archives Project, Tombstone Project or the Regions, I suggest that the appointment of Census Rep be carried out exactly as we have done in each of these other areas. Since the passage of the Bylaws the Advisory Board has seated a replacement Rep. of each group's choosing, irrespective of any personal likes or dislikes, and has felt honor-bound to do so as a continuing confirmation of the bottom-up management desired by the USGenWeb Project's membership. The clear choice of the Census Project is Ron Eason, therefore I move to appoint Ron Eason as Census Project Representative. Virginia (Ginger) Cisewski "It takes two to speak the truth: one to talk, another to hear." ----Henry David Thoreau

I also find this a bit precipitate with no discussion as to nomination procedure, I certainly feel that the amount of time given to nominate (which must include contacting a potential nominee prior to nomination) rather short. Holly At 06:06 AM 4/4/00 -0400, Virginia (Ginger) Cisewski wrote: >When did the Board decide that we we would do this?? I don't remember voting >on such a plan of action. Where is your precedent for issuing such a dictate? > > > >In a message dated 04/04/2000 3:48:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: > ><< The next order of business is for the Board to fill the Census seat on the > Board. > > Interested parties are asked to send their application to the National > Coordinator for submission to the Board. With the permission of a person > so named you may submit names other than your own. Applications will be > accepted until 9 PM EST - Thursday, 6 April. > > The address for applications is: tstowell@chattanooga.net > > Thank you. > > Timothy S Stowell email - tstowell@chattanooga.net > Chattanooga, TN > > National Coordinator USGenWeb Project - http://www.usgenweb.org >> > > >Virginia (Ginger) Cisewski > >"It takes two to speak the truth: one to talk, another to hear." > ----Henry David > Thoreau >

The next order of business is for the Board to fill the Census seat on the Board. Interested parties are asked to send their application to the National Coordinator for submission to the Board. With the permission of a person so named you may submit names other than your own. Applications will be accepted until 9 PM EST - Thursday, 6 April. The address for applications is: tstowell@chattanooga.net Thank you. Timothy S Stowell email - tstowell@chattanooga.net Chattanooga, TN National Coordinator USGenWeb Project - http://www.usgenweb.org

Tim, When did the Board decide that we we would do this?? I don't remember voting on such a plan of action. Where is your precedent for issuing such a dictate? In a message dated 04/04/2000 3:48:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: << The next order of business is for the Board to fill the Census seat on the Board. Interested parties are asked to send their application to the National Coordinator for submission to the Board. With the permission of a person so named you may submit names other than your own. Applications will be accepted until 9 PM EST - Thursday, 6 April. The address for applications is: tstowell@chattanooga.net Thank you. Timothy S Stowell email - tstowell@chattanooga.net Chattanooga, TN National Coordinator USGenWeb Project - http://www.usgenweb.org >> Virginia (Ginger) Cisewski "It takes two to speak the truth: one to talk, another to hear." ----Henry David Thoreau

Thanks, I really don't blame them. Gloria Pam Reid wrote: > > I'm here, Gloria. I think everyone is just being really quiet right > now. > > Pam > > "Gloria B. Mayfield" wrote: > > > > Have received nothing from this list, is everyone still there. Gloria > > -- > > Southwest/South Central CC Representative, USGenWeb Advisory Board > > Personal page http://www.angelfire.com/tx2/gmayfield/index.html > > TX Tombstone Project Manager http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/Texas/ > > Texas Surnames http://www.rootsweb.com/~txrusk/txsurnames.html > > Panola County TX USGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txpanola/ > > Rusk County TX USGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txrusk/index.htm -- Southwest/South Central CC Representative, USGenWeb Advisory Board Personal page http://www.angelfire.com/tx2/gmayfield/index.html TX Tombstone Project Manager http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/Texas/ Texas Surnames http://www.rootsweb.com/~txrusk/txsurnames.html Panola County TX USGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txpanola/ Rusk County TX USGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txrusk/index.htm

I'm here, Gloria. I think everyone is just being really quiet right now. Pam "Gloria B. Mayfield" wrote: > > Have received nothing from this list, is everyone still there. Gloria > -- > Southwest/South Central CC Representative, USGenWeb Advisory Board > Personal page http://www.angelfire.com/tx2/gmayfield/index.html > TX Tombstone Project Manager http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/Texas/ > Texas Surnames http://www.rootsweb.com/~txrusk/txsurnames.html > Panola County TX USGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txpanola/ > Rusk County TX USGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txrusk/index.htm

Have received nothing from this list, is everyone still there. Gloria -- Southwest/South Central CC Representative, USGenWeb Advisory Board Personal page http://www.angelfire.com/tx2/gmayfield/index.html TX Tombstone Project Manager http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/Texas/ Texas Surnames http://www.rootsweb.com/~txrusk/txsurnames.html Panola County TX USGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txpanola/ Rusk County TX USGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txrusk/index.htm

I move that the USGenWeb Project sever its relationship with the USGenWeb Census Project, Inc. headed by Ron Eason. This Census Project has incorporated as a FOR PROFIT corporation using the reserved term "USGenWeb" without the Advisory Board's knowledge or approval. I further move that USGenWeb post a notice on all pages stating that USGenWeb Project, Inc headed by Ron Eason is in no way connected with the USGenWeb Project I further move that the USGenWeb Project attempt to notify each and every submitter of the fact that the USGenWeb Census Project, Inc headed by Ron Eason is no longer associated with the USGenWeb Project.

I agree. I also see nothing wrong with listing the projects on the Special Projects page. Since some object to them being identified as seperate projects you could put them under the Archives heading and maybe use a one size smaller font. That should be sufficient to identify them as subprojects of the Archives, appease those who object and still let the researchers know that they are there. Ginger gingerh@shawneelink.com -----Original Message----- From: Pam Reid <pamreid@home.com> To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com <BOARD-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, January 28, 2000 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [BOARD-L] Special Projects >As far as the Bylaws go, only Tombstones and Census exist as separate >special projects. However, I felt that the page was more useful to the >researcher if ALL projects that were "special" in nature were listed. I >STILL believe strongly that ALL records belong in ONE central >repository, that repository being The USGenWeb Archives. It really >doesn't matter if the Project stands alone or is a sub of the archives - >the records belong there. I guess that where opinions start to differ. > >Pam >

The vote totals on Motion 00-1 to appoint a historian for the Project: Yes - 8; No - 5; Abstain - 2; Not Voting - 1. The motion is declared failed - 2/3 rule not met. On a side note - 2 other votes were received from non-Board members: Yes - 1; Abstain - 1. Tim