What is Motion 00-7? Tim Stowell wrote: > > Richard's motion - seconded by Jim - is numbered Motion 00-8 and is now > open for discussion. > > "Therefore I make the Motion to over ride the National Coordinator's delink > of the USGenWeb Census Project." > > Tim > > At 06:41 AM 4/6/00 -0400, you wrote: > >I am assuming that Robert's Rules doesn't have another meaning of over > ride. I > >am assuming it means repeal, do away with, make null and void, etc. If > that is > >the case, although we will probably be ruled out of order, I second Richard's > >motion to over ride the NC's delink of the Census Project. > > > >James Edward (Jim) Powell Jr > > > >Richard's wrote: > > > >> Due to the importance of this Executive Order to delink the Census Project! > >> I believe that it is equally important to confirm this Executive Order. > >> Therefore I make the Motion to over ride the National Coordinator's delink > >> of the USGenWeb Census Project. > >> > >> Richard M. Howland > >> > >> > >> Richard M. Howland > >> Mailto:RichPump@wf.net ICQ # 898319 > >> NE/NCR CC Representative > >> > >> HOWLAND-L List Co-ordinator WOODWORKING-L list Co-ordinator > >> VARNER-L List Co-ordinator FISHING-L list Co-ordinator > >> ILPIATT-L List Co-ordinator HEDGEHOGS-L List Co-ordinator > >> TXYOUNG-L List Co-ordinator > >> > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilpiatt/piatt.htm > >> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richpump/YoungCountyCemPage.htm > >> http://www.pets.rootsweb.com/~hedgehogs/index.html > >> http://www.crafts.rootsweb.com/~woodworking/index.html > >> http://www.wf.net/~richpump/HowlandOnLine.html > > > >

The politics of this situation make it very touchy, at best. Tim is correct in his assessment that the Census Project is NOT operating within the guidelines and can, therefore, be delinked. I still feel that we need to do something about the files that are already there. The most sensible action is to combine the two projects, and put the Census files back where they belong, in the USGenWeb Archives. This, as I have said on many occasions, JUST MAKES SENSE! The archives are OUR digital library and the proper place of storage for ALL records. The Projects themselves are irrelevant to this opinion. However, we do need to act and we to act quickly. This MUST be resolved. Pam Tim Stowell wrote: > > Richard's motion - seconded by Jim - is numbered Motion 00-8 and is now > open for discussion. > > "Therefore I make the Motion to over ride the National Coordinator's delink > of the USGenWeb Census Project." > > Tim > > At 06:41 AM 4/6/00 -0400, you wrote: > >I am assuming that Robert's Rules doesn't have another meaning of over > ride. I > >am assuming it means repeal, do away with, make null and void, etc. If > that is > >the case, although we will probably be ruled out of order, I second Richard's > >motion to over ride the NC's delink of the Census Project. > > > >James Edward (Jim) Powell Jr > > > >Richard's wrote: > > > >> Due to the importance of this Executive Order to delink the Census Project! > >> I believe that it is equally important to confirm this Executive Order. > >> Therefore I make the Motion to over ride the National Coordinator's delink > >> of the USGenWeb Census Project. > >> > >> Richard M. Howland > >> > >> > >> Richard M. Howland > >> Mailto:RichPump@wf.net ICQ # 898319 > >> NE/NCR CC Representative > >> > >> HOWLAND-L List Co-ordinator WOODWORKING-L list Co-ordinator > >> VARNER-L List Co-ordinator FISHING-L list Co-ordinator > >> ILPIATT-L List Co-ordinator HEDGEHOGS-L List Co-ordinator > >> TXYOUNG-L List Co-ordinator > >> > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilpiatt/piatt.htm > >> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richpump/YoungCountyCemPage.htm > >> http://www.pets.rootsweb.com/~hedgehogs/index.html > >> http://www.crafts.rootsweb.com/~woodworking/index.html > >> http://www.wf.net/~richpump/HowlandOnLine.html > > > >

Tim, I believe that this is POOR Timing and NOT necessarily in the best interest of the volunteers of the USGenWeb Project. That is first, the USGenWeb, not the Archives and not the Census Project. The Census Project is in the process of appointing a representative and YOU decide to de-link their project. I have transcribed for both the Archives and the Census Project, I am the TX Tombstone Project Manager for the Archives and I have never had any problem with either side. But I do believe in Fair Treatment!!!! "Talk about the frying pan into the Fire." This action needs to be reversed NOW. I support Richard's motion to OVERRIDE Tim's Delinking of the Census Project. Gloria Southwest/South Central CC Representative, USGenWeb Advisory Board Tim Stowell wrote: > > Mr. Eason, > > Executive Order 2000-E-1: Whereas your 'project' continues to be not in > good standing within the USGenWeb Project despite repeated requests to fix > your pages, does not answer mail in a timely manner, and has refused to > negotiate in good faith for a merger of the ACP and the CP, you are hereby > given notice that your project has been delinked from the National web site. > > I regret that this must be done but I believe it to be the best for the > USGenWeb Project as a whole. > > I do this within my rights as National Coordinator - under my day to day > administration duties. > The Webmaster has had no part in this - as I have done this myself. > > Should the Board request further details of the Census Project's actions or > lack thereof as coordinated by Mr. Eason, they will be provided. > > Timothy S Stowell email - tstowell@chattanooga.net > Chattanooga, TN > > National Coordinator USGenWeb Project - http://www.usgenweb.org > -- Southwest/South Central CC Representative, USGenWeb Advisory Board Personal page http://www.angelfire.com/tx2/gmayfield/index.html TX Tombstone Project Manager http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/Texas/ Texas Surnames http://www.rootsweb.com/~txrusk/txsurnames.html Panola County TX USGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txpanola/ Rusk County TX USGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~txrusk/index.htm

Richard's motion - seconded by Jim - is numbered Motion 00-8 and is now open for discussion. "Therefore I make the Motion to over ride the National Coordinator's delink of the USGenWeb Census Project." Tim At 06:41 AM 4/6/00 -0400, you wrote: >I am assuming that Robert's Rules doesn't have another meaning of over ride. I >am assuming it means repeal, do away with, make null and void, etc. If that is >the case, although we will probably be ruled out of order, I second Richard's >motion to over ride the NC's delink of the Census Project. > >James Edward (Jim) Powell Jr > >Richard's wrote: > >> Due to the importance of this Executive Order to delink the Census Project! >> I believe that it is equally important to confirm this Executive Order. >> Therefore I make the Motion to over ride the National Coordinator's delink >> of the USGenWeb Census Project. >> >> Richard M. Howland >> >> >> Richard M. Howland >> Mailto:RichPump@wf.net ICQ # 898319 >> NE/NCR CC Representative >> >> HOWLAND-L List Co-ordinator WOODWORKING-L list Co-ordinator >> VARNER-L List Co-ordinator FISHING-L list Co-ordinator >> ILPIATT-L List Co-ordinator HEDGEHOGS-L List Co-ordinator >> TXYOUNG-L List Co-ordinator >> >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilpiatt/piatt.htm >> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richpump/YoungCountyCemPage.htm >> http://www.pets.rootsweb.com/~hedgehogs/index.html >> http://www.crafts.rootsweb.com/~woodworking/index.html >> http://www.wf.net/~richpump/HowlandOnLine.html > >

Tim, You are gravely overstepping your bounds and authority The Bylaws specifically address the issue of delinking and give that authority to the Advisory Board and not to the NC. (Please see Article VI, Section 5 included below) I believe this was specifically instituded to prevent one person from having the power to remove state or special projects at will. I believe you owe this board, and the Census Project, an apology for your precipitate actions. I, personally, find your actions reprehensible. Since this action was taken without due process by the Advisory Board, I suggest that the link to the USGenWeb Census Project be restored IMMEDIATELY. ARTICLE VI: DUTIES/QUALIFICATIONS OF ADVISORY BOARD Section 5. The Advisory Board shall also have the responsibility to remove links from the national website, as appropriate, to websites which fail to meet the established guidelines/standards for The USGenWeb Project or to websites which display inappropriate content. Coordinators of any websites found to be in non-compliance shall be notified of such and shall be given a period of two (2) weeks in which to bring their website into compliance. The two-week time limit shall be flexible based on justifiable reasons presented by the website coordinator. Ginger gingerh@shawneelink.com -----Original Message----- From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net> To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com <BOARD-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, April 06, 2000 1:01 AM Subject: [BOARD-L] Executive Order 2000-E-1 >Mr. Eason, > >Executive Order 2000-E-1: Whereas your 'project' continues to be not in >good standing within the USGenWeb Project despite repeated requests to fix >your pages, does not answer mail in a timely manner, and has refused to >negotiate in good faith for a merger of the ACP and the CP, you are hereby >given notice that your project has been delinked from the National web site. > >I regret that this must be done but I believe it to be the best for the >USGenWeb Project as a whole. > >I do this within my rights as National Coordinator - under my day to day >administration duties. >The Webmaster has had no part in this - as I have done this myself. > >Should the Board request further details of the Census Project's actions or >lack thereof as coordinated by Mr. Eason, they will be provided. > > > > > > > >Timothy S Stowell email - tstowell@chattanooga.net >Chattanooga, TN > >National Coordinator USGenWeb Project - http://www.usgenweb.org > >

I am assuming that Robert's Rules doesn't have another meaning of over ride. I am assuming it means repeal, do away with, make null and void, etc. If that is the case, although we will probably be ruled out of order, I second Richard's motion to over ride the NC's delink of the Census Project. James Edward (Jim) Powell Jr Richard's wrote: > Due to the importance of this Executive Order to delink the Census Project! > I believe that it is equally important to confirm this Executive Order. > Therefore I make the Motion to over ride the National Coordinator's delink > of the USGenWeb Census Project. > > Richard M. Howland > > > Richard M. Howland > Mailto:RichPump@wf.net ICQ # 898319 > NE/NCR CC Representative > > HOWLAND-L List Co-ordinator WOODWORKING-L list Co-ordinator > VARNER-L List Co-ordinator FISHING-L list Co-ordinator > ILPIATT-L List Co-ordinator HEDGEHOGS-L List Co-ordinator > TXYOUNG-L List Co-ordinator > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilpiatt/piatt.htm > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richpump/YoungCountyCemPage.htm > http://www.pets.rootsweb.com/~hedgehogs/index.html > http://www.crafts.rootsweb.com/~woodworking/index.html > http://www.wf.net/~richpump/HowlandOnLine.html

Due to the importance of this Executive Order to delink the Census Project! I believe that it is equally important to confirm this Executive Order. Therefore I make the Motion to over ride the National Coordinator's delink of the USGenWeb Census Project. Richard M. Howland Richard M. Howland Mailto:RichPump@wf.net ICQ # 898319 NE/NCR CC Representative HOWLAND-L List Co-ordinator WOODWORKING-L list Co-ordinator VARNER-L List Co-ordinator FISHING-L list Co-ordinator ILPIATT-L List Co-ordinator HEDGEHOGS-L List Co-ordinator TXYOUNG-L List Co-ordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilpiatt/piatt.htm http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richpump/YoungCountyCemPage.htm http://www.pets.rootsweb.com/~hedgehogs/index.html http://www.crafts.rootsweb.com/~woodworking/index.html http://www.wf.net/~richpump/HowlandOnLine.html

In a message dated 04/06/2000 8:11:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gingerh@shawneelink.com writes: > Tim, > > You are gravely overstepping your bounds and authority > The Bylaws specifically address the issue of delinking and > give that authority to the Advisory Board and not to the > NC. (Please see Article VI, Section 5 included below) > I believe this was specifically instituded to prevent one > person from having the power to remove state or special > projects at will. > > I believe you owe this board, and the Census Project, an > apology for your precipitate actions. I, personally, find your > actions reprehensible. > > Since this action was taken without due process by the > Advisory Board, I suggest that the link to the USGenWeb > Census Project be restored IMMEDIATELY. Ginger has expressed this well and I completely agree! Virginia (Ginger) Cisewski "It takes two to speak the truth: one to talk, another to hear." ----Henry David Thoreau

At 09:16 PM 4/5/00 EDT, you wrote: >Tim, > >I do not have a Roberts' available to me at present. Could you please spell >this out? > >> Per RRoONR pg 95 >From Robert's Rules Of Order, Newly Revised, 9th Edition, 1990 (latest edition) Edited by Henry M. Robert, III. and William J. Evans IV, MEETING AND SESSION #9, Particular Types of Business Meetings Executive Session, pg 95 --------- An executive session in general parliamentary usage has come to mean any meeting of a deliberative assembly, or a portion of a meeting, at which the proceedings are secret. This term originally referred to the consideration of executive business--- that is, presidential nominations to appointed offices, and treaties--- behind closed doors in the United States Senate. The practice of organizations operating under the lodge system is equivalent to holding all regular meetings in executive session. In any society, matters relating to discipline--- particularly trials--- properly should be handled only in executive session. In most organizations, except those operation under the lodge system, by practice or sometimes by rule, membership meetings are open to the public, but BOARD and COMMITTEE meetings are customarily held in executive session. In the latter case, members of the organization who are not members of the board or committee, and sometimes nonmembers, may be invited to attend, perhaps to give a report, but they are not entitled to attend. A motion to go into executive session is a question of privilege, and therefore is adopted by a majority vote. Only members, special invites, and such employees or staff members as the assembly or its rules may determine to be necessary are allowed to remain in the hall. A member can be punished under disciplinary procedures if he violates the secrecy of an executive session. Anyone else permitted to be present is honor bound not to divulge anything that occurred. The minutes, or record of proceedings, of an executive session must be read and acted on only in executive session, unless that which would be reported in the minutes--- that is, the action taken, as distinct from that which was said in debate--- was not secret or secrecy has been lifted by the assembly. When the minutes of an executive session must be considered for approval at an executive session held solely for that purpose, the brief minutes of the latter meeting are, or are assumed to be, approved by that meeting. Tim >Thank you. > >Virginia (Ginger) Cisewski

Mr. Eason, Executive Order 2000-E-1: Whereas your 'project' continues to be not in good standing within the USGenWeb Project despite repeated requests to fix your pages, does not answer mail in a timely manner, and has refused to negotiate in good faith for a merger of the ACP and the CP, you are hereby given notice that your project has been delinked from the National web site. I regret that this must be done but I believe it to be the best for the USGenWeb Project as a whole. I do this within my rights as National Coordinator - under my day to day administration duties. The Webmaster has had no part in this - as I have done this myself. Should the Board request further details of the Census Project's actions or lack thereof as coordinated by Mr. Eason, they will be provided. Timothy S Stowell email - tstowell@chattanooga.net Chattanooga, TN National Coordinator USGenWeb Project - http://www.usgenweb.org

At 08:25 PM 4/5/00 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 04/05/2000 8:14:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: > >> Yes - your forwarded mail from that list to this list. The Board has been >> told time and again not to do this. This was just the last straw - my >> notes were comments of a personal nature that's why it went to Exec. >> >> Had you hit reply - the reply would have gone to Exec - since you chose >> instead to send it here AND because other material from that list has shown >> up outside Exec - you've been unsubbed for cause. > >Tim, > >I was trying to edit to shorten the post, (while balancing my week-old >grandchild on my lap) and didn't realize you had moved the thread from >Board-L into the private sector. It was unintentional and I apologize. Sorry, but when one hits reply or reply to -all the note goes either to the individual writing the note or back to Board-exec or both, not to Board-L. That it came to this list - >As to other material showing up elsewhere, I have no idea what you are >talking about so can only speculate that you have chosen to make me your >scapegoat because of your personal dislike of me and the fact that we >frequently disagree. >Virginia (Ginger) Cisewski Tim

Hi Virginia... The atmosphere out here is much better. Jim Tim Stowell wrote: > Virginia, > > Per RRoONR pg 95 > > Yes - your forwarded mail from that list to this list. The Board has been > told time and again not to do this. This was just the last straw - my > notes were comments of a personal nature that's why it went to Exec. > > Had you hit reply - the reply would have gone to Exec - since you chose > instead to send it here AND because other material from that list has shown > up outside Exec - you've been unsubbed for cause. > > Tim > > At 07:19 PM 4/5/00 EDT, you wrote: > >Tim, > > > >Is there any particular reason that I have been unsubbed from the Board-Exec > >list?? > > > > > >Virginia (Ginger) Cisewski > > > >"It takes two to speak the truth: one to talk, another to hear." > > ----Henry David > Thoreau > > > > > >

Virginia, Per RRoONR pg 95 Yes - your forwarded mail from that list to this list. The Board has been told time and again not to do this. This was just the last straw - my notes were comments of a personal nature that's why it went to Exec. Had you hit reply - the reply would have gone to Exec - since you chose instead to send it here AND because other material from that list has shown up outside Exec - you've been unsubbed for cause. Tim At 07:19 PM 4/5/00 EDT, you wrote: >Tim, > >Is there any particular reason that I have been unsubbed from the Board-Exec >list?? > > >Virginia (Ginger) Cisewski > >"It takes two to speak the truth: one to talk, another to hear." > ----Henry David Thoreau > > >

> Hi Virginia... The atmosphere out here is much better. > > Jim Hi Jim, I do believe it is a bit fresher out here! You were right! Virginia (Ginger) Cisewski "It takes two to speak the truth: one to talk, another to hear." ----Henry David Thoreau

Tim, I do not have a Roberts' available to me at present. Could you please spell this out? > Per RRoONR pg 95 Thank you. Virginia (Ginger) Cisewski "It takes two to speak the truth: one to talk, another to hear." ----Henry David Thoreau

I received this today. I assume Veda Mendoza is applying. >Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 14:02:22 -0500 >From: Veda Mendoza <vedamen@idt.net> >Subject: nomination USGenWeb Census Project Rep > >If you will not seat Ron Eason. I will accept the >position myself. > >-- >Veda Bragg Mendoza >Census Look Ups: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~uslookup/ >USGenWeb Census Project - >http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgw/census/ >USGenWeb Census Project Coordinator for Ohio >http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgw/census/states/ohio/ohio.htm >Personal Genealogy: >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/7203

In a message dated 04/05/2000 8:14:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: > Yes - your forwarded mail from that list to this list. The Board has been > told time and again not to do this. This was just the last straw - my > notes were comments of a personal nature that's why it went to Exec. > > Had you hit reply - the reply would have gone to Exec - since you chose > instead to send it here AND because other material from that list has shown > up outside Exec - you've been unsubbed for cause. Tim, I was trying to edit to shorten the post, (while balancing my week-old grandchild on my lap) and didn't realize you had moved the thread from Board-L into the private sector. It was unintentional and I apologize. As to other material showing up elsewhere, I have no idea what you are talking about so can only speculate that you have chosen to make me your scapegoat because of your personal dislike of me and the fact that we frequently disagree. Virginia (Ginger) Cisewski "It takes two to speak the truth: one to talk, another to hear." ----Henry David Thoreau

Tim, Is there any particular reason that I have been unsubbed from the Board-Exec list?? Virginia (Ginger) Cisewski "It takes two to speak the truth: one to talk, another to hear." ----Henry David Thoreau

Sundee Maynez's name has been received on the application for the Census seat. Sundee is a FM for the CP. Tim

At 06:47 AM 4/5/00 EDT, you wrote: ><< Your motion is out of order - as nominations are not made for appointed > positions. You can however recommned Ron's name along with any other other > names as an applicant for the position. >> > >I challenge this ruling. Please cite your sources for information. ok. Common sense. A call for applications went out. Would you deny others the right to offer names? >I made NO reference to "nominations" but rather I moved to APPOINT Ron Eason. ok. But the appointment time is not up. Since all potential candidates have not been presented nor is the time called for your motion is pre-mature. Tim