I just sent this note to everyone that Ron Eason sent his orignal note to. But, since Joe decided to reply publically here on the Board list, I am sending my message here as well. Dear Ron, I am sorry that you feel as you do about the current Board members. As a group, we are dedicated volunteers who took additional VOLUNTEER responsibilities by accepting Board positions. Some of what we have done has been handled badly - much of what we have done has been handled well. We have done our best. Human beings make mistakes. That is a fact of life and we have made some mistakes along the way. The Census Project is at the core of ALL of the grievances and most of the problems. You have done some things very badly with YOUR handling of that Project. Yet, you failed to acknowledge that you acted in the wrong in several cases. As a result, we now have a splintered Project and a mountain of animosity. Joe felt said in his first motion that he thought all of the grievances against Board members were frivolous. He amended that to apply only to the ones from Carol Hammett. Those grievances were intended, IMO, to tie things up and were submitted for the purpose of stirring the pot. The motion on the table is intended to deal with only those five grievances from Carol. Ron, you have acted incorrectly in much of your handling the Census Project fiasco. This thing could have been settled long ago in an amicable manner. But, because of reasons that I will NEVER understand, you and your group chose to carry the situation to an extreme and look has ensued. I have said before and I will it again. Our SOLE purpose in participating in the USGW Project is to freely give to researchers easy and free access to genealogical and historical data on the internet. We are ALL volunteers and there is NO profit motive in what we do, aside from "feeling good" that we may have helped another. If YOU truly felt this way, you would have worked toward the goal of reconciliation. You didn't do this. Your contingent of supporters is small, but they are indeed VOCAL!!!! Most of the CCs, SCs and researchers simply don't care about the politics involved in all of this, nor should they. You see, they only care about getting the material online and in being able to access and use those materials. Simple as that. Rootsweb has been very, very good to USGW. If it weren't for Rootsweb, there would probably be no USGW. We owe them a lot for what they have done. If you can't see and accept that, then you are purposefully turning your head in order not to see the truth of that fact. I know you said in your note that you liked Rootsweb and thought most of what they had done worked well. Yet, your recent actions concerning the Census Project would make it appear you truly feel otherwise. Actions speak louder than words!!!! The wrong you committed in incorporating the Census Project far outweighs any wrongs that may have been committed by the Board. You, nor anyone else for that matter, has ANY right to incorporate portions of the USGW. If incorporation does eventually occur, it should be the entire USGW that is incorporated. I agree that the original grievances concerning the delinking of the Census Project should be dealt with NOW by the Board, even if that requires a special committee of non-Board members to handle them. However, Carol Hammett's grievances were petty and frivolous and need not be handled as they were filed, again IMO, an annoyances. If the VOLUNTEER Board spent all of its time trying to handle things of this nature, nothing else would ever be accomplished. The whole Census fiasco had tied up more Board time that it had the right to and therefore has crippled the effectiveness of the process. Call a spade a spade, Ron. You have been just as much in the wrong as anyone else, yet you seem to think that you are immune from any repercussions of your actions. These actions have caused difficulties for many people, much more far ranging than you might realize. OK, you now have MY opinion, for what that is worth! We have gone terribly wrong in this Project and the people who are suffering are the researchers. But, what do we care? We will fight to the death our right to be "right". Pam Reid

[These comments are in response to a message from Ron Eason to the Board members individually and to USGW-CC-L. Because I am not subscribed to that list I am using the Board-L forum to respond. Ron's message pertains to my recent Motion 00-14 which I have temporarily withdrawn to allow Richard to move to rescind Motion 00-12.] Ron, my comments on grievances pertain to those of C. Hammett as I have made clear. These are "grievances" which are clearly meant to advance the agenda of those who would destroy what they can't control. This Project was designed to advance online genealogy and not the personal ambitions of a few or to satisfy spiteful ambitions. I support the concept of a digital library. It was a good idea at it's inception and has proven it's worth to literally thousands of researchers since. I support RW because their word has not been broken and the Archives have been given literally unlimited storage space, with faster server upgrades when needed to facilitate searches FREELY to all. But while they do this they have been subjected to a constant barrage of attacks which conveniently ignore the fact that the equipment to do this is costly so that commercialism was the only answer. I support the ByLaws because not to do so leads to chaos and because they represent the will of those who approved them, the volunteers. I respect the authors of the ByLaws more all the time because they made the ByLaws hard to amend, limiting tampering. And yes, the ByLaws still mention a Census Project so I support that also. There are valid complaints about the delinking. Reread my comments on this and my voting record. But I repeat, the best committee to hear this are the volunteers at the polls. you had a great deal of support, Ron, here on the Board until you chose to thumb your nose at us and incorporate. But the for profit inc route was the last straw. Up until that point a solution was possible. If that were not insult enough you chose a server whose owner incorporated the USGW name, literally stole it from us. This offended a great number of people, not just Board members. The thing that really bothers me about all this is that it drags down with it the many transcribers who were left confused and angry. They expected better from all of us when they signed up. Our very reason for being was trampled by all this. Since I have been on the Board a number of personal grievances have been discussed on Exec-L, which, by the way we are sometimes castigated for using for this or any other purpose. Anything discussed there has been subject to leaks by someone who would complain about grievances on one hand and leak our efforts to resolve them on the other. My level of contempt for such people is unspeakable. The Board is given the responsibility in the ByLaws to evaluate and act on grievances if they have merit, whether you like it or not. Grievances, as mentioned in the ByLaws, were not meant to include complaints which if acted upon would destroy parts of the Project. Those actions are reserved for the amendment process. Sitting here this morning answering this denies researchers somewhere perhaps 20 census scans that could have been put online. That to me is a tragedy. Is this what we are really about? If I thought that I would not be here today. Joe -- Zsedeny Genealogy - http://www.rootsweb.com/~jzed/home.htm NDGenWeb Archives - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nd/ndfiles.htm Pembina County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndpembin/pembina.htm Ramsey County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndramsey/ramsey.htm

Roger, I would also like to know if you have a problem with Jim Powell. Gloria Ginger wrote: > I'm having a real struggle with this. Maybe Roger > could let us know if this is correct. > > Ginger > gingerh@shawneelink.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: FEATHER2s@aol.com <FEATHER2s@aol.com> > To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com <BOARD-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Saturday, June 03, 2000 10:08 PM > Subject: Re: [BOARD-L] Question > > >In a message dated 06/03/2000 11:02:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > >gingerh@shawneelink.com writes: > > > >> Can you be a little more explicit? Who was asked to withdraw > >> by whom and for what reason? Why would the elections > >> committee ask someone to withdraw? > > > >Ginger, > > > >I have been told that Roger Swafford has asked Jim Powell to withdraw his > >candidacy for the NC position. > > > >Virginia (Ginger) Cisewski > >NW-Plains CC Rep > >

Well Jim, there's something I always find real appropriate. "If any one of you be without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone...." If we start looking at things that comprise good standing then a forgotten link definitely pales into insignificance. I find, what I can only perceive to be, a blatant attempt at manipulating the election distasteful in the extreme......but I certainly can't say I'm surprised. Hang in there. There are still many good people left in USGW Ginger gingerh@shawneelink.com -----Original Message----- From: Jim Powell Jr <jpowelljr@gru.net> To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com <BOARD-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, June 04, 2000 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [BOARD-L] Jim a Question? >Hi Maggie... I was until recently. When I put the logos and links up, >it was my page. I cleaned it up, thought it was squeaky clean and I >turned it over to my assistant, with the promise that I would help her. >I honestly don't know what my official status is with KYGenWeb. I have >said, I have no problem with you judging me on that page. I will not >protest how it was found or why. I stand here to be judged on anything >that I have done anywhere, that may have bearing on my status of "Good >Standing" in USGenWeb. > >Further answers will have to wait for another day. >Thanks and good night, >Jim >

Motion #00-12:"I move to find the logos (know as protest logo's) as inappropriate and in non-compliance, and those displaying them after 23:59 on 21 May, 2000 "NOT" to be in good standing with USGWP." It was my intent that with making of this motion #00-12 that notice be served to all that they could not inappropriately display or be little the USGWP name or image. It was and could be used to keep persons that would do such from running for office. However it was not my intent to open the door to hunt down honest protesters who attempted to correct their mistake. That is why I inserted a time limit. To allow for compliance. There for I move to Rescind, Repeal, or Annul. Motion #00-12. Richard... Richard M. Howland IlGenWeb State Coordinator Mailto:illinois@usroots.com ICQ # 898319 NE/NCR CC Representative USGWP Advisory Board ILGEN-L List Co-ordinator ILPIATT-L List Co-ordinator IL-CHAT-L List Co-ordinator TXYOUNG-L List Co-ordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilpiatt/piatt.htm http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richpump/YoungCountyCemPage.htm http://www.pets.rootsweb.com/~hedgehogs/index.html http://www.crafts.rootsweb.com/~woodworking/index.html http://www.wf.net/~richpump/HowlandOnLine.html

Thank You Joe. Reword it slightly and I even second it. Richard... "Garnett J.(Joe) Zsedeny" wrote: > > Okay, Richard, you are a straight shooter, have at it. But I > reserve the right to repost the motion after your count. > > Joe > > ILGenWeb State Coordinator wrote: > > > > Jim I would like to ask a personal question. However I want a public > > answer. It was my understanding that you removed the Protest USGWP Logo > > from your USGWP and XXGW sites. If you say you did I will take that that > > as the only proof I need. If you tell me that you made a mistake an miss > > one I will also except that. > > > > Joe I would ask you to with draw your present Motion to allow me to put > > forth a new one. Richard... > > > > > > Richard M. Howland IlGenWeb State Coordinator > > Mailto:illinois@usroots.com ICQ # 898319 > > NE/NCR CC Representative USGWP Advisory Board > > > > ILGEN-L List Co-ordinator ILPIATT-L List Co-ordinator > > IL-CHAT-L List Co-ordinator TXYOUNG-L List Co-ordinator > > > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilpiatt/piatt.htm > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richpump/YoungCountyCemPage.htm > > http://www.pets.rootsweb.com/~hedgehogs/index.html > > http://www.crafts.rootsweb.com/~woodworking/index.html > > http://www.wf.net/~richpump/HowlandOnLine.html > > -- > Zsedeny Genealogy - http://www.rootsweb.com/~jzed/home.htm > NDGenWeb Archives - > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nd/ndfiles.htm > Pembina County, ND - > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndpembin/pembina.htm > Ramsey County, ND - > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndramsey/ramsey.htm -- Richard M. Howland IlGenWeb State Coordinator Mailto:illinois@usroots.com ICQ # 898319 NE/NCR CC Representative USGWP Advisory Board ILGEN-L List Co-ordinator ILPIATT-L List Co-ordinator IL-CHAT-L List Co-ordinator TXYOUNG-L List Co-ordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilpiatt/piatt.htm http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richpump/YoungCountyCemPage.htm http://www.pets.rootsweb.com/~hedgehogs/index.html http://www.crafts.rootsweb.com/~woodworking/index.html http://www.wf.net/~richpump/HowlandOnLine.html

Have web pages been set up for the Elections Committee and Nominations Committee. In the past, pages have been set up for these and we have linked to them from the National Elections Central page. But, if URLs have been posted for these pages, I haven't seen them. Thanks, Pam

Jim I would like to ask a personal question. However I want a public answer. It was my understanding that you removed the Protest USGWP Logo from your USGWP and XXGW sites. If you say you did I will take that that as the only proof I need. If you tell me that you made a mistake an miss one I will also except that. Joe I would ask you to with draw your present Motion to allow me to put forth a new one. Richard... Richard M. Howland IlGenWeb State Coordinator Mailto:illinois@usroots.com ICQ # 898319 NE/NCR CC Representative USGWP Advisory Board ILGEN-L List Co-ordinator ILPIATT-L List Co-ordinator IL-CHAT-L List Co-ordinator TXYOUNG-L List Co-ordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilpiatt/piatt.htm http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richpump/YoungCountyCemPage.htm http://www.pets.rootsweb.com/~hedgehogs/index.html http://www.crafts.rootsweb.com/~woodworking/index.html http://www.wf.net/~richpump/HowlandOnLine.html

I move to adopt the following standing rule; "It is the responsibility of each member of The USGenWeb Project to demonstrate membership in good standing by; promoting a positive public image of the project, and working to enhance its good name and reputation, and contributing to its operations. In addition, members must respond promptly to email, actively support researchers' efforts to find information, maintain their website with appropriate, up-to-date content, and serving as a good example of the guidelines and standards of The USGenWeb Project." Maggie NW/Plains CC Representative

Hi Maggie... I was until recently. When I put the logos and links up, it was my page. I cleaned it up, thought it was squeaky clean and I turned it over to my assistant, with the promise that I would help her. I honestly don't know what my official status is with KYGenWeb. I have said, I have no problem with you judging me on that page. I will not protest how it was found or why. I stand here to be judged on anything that I have done anywhere, that may have bearing on my status of "Good Standing" in USGenWeb. Further answers will have to wait for another day. Thanks and good night, Jim

Jim, I do understand. And I respected you for putting up the black ribbons instead of the blackened logos. I just have one question in my mind, are you a Kentucky CC or not? Maggie ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Powell Jr <jpowelljr@gru.net> To: <BOARD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [BOARD-L] Jim a Question? Richard and all... even before I removed my logos elsewhere, I cleaned up Henderson County and asked my assistant to take over. At that point I was willing to be "not in good standing" with my FLGenWeb Sites, but I was not willing to drag KYGenWeb and Henderson County into it with me. I thought I had cleaned everything before I put Netta's name on as CC. I still do all of the HTML for Netta and could have, would have removed it, if I had of realized it was still there. You have to realize, that I was angry at the world. I could not believe what I had just seen happen. It did not fit with the "Rules" as I knew them. I did not hurl flames, or even show completely how deeply hurt I was. I listened to everyone and tried to understand... I still don't, but that is neither here nor there. I decided to quietly protest. I admit the venue I chose was not the best, but it was the way I felt at the time, dark. When you made your motion, I wrote to you and explained myself and I listened to you. I then asked everyone to remove the logos, I even resorted to begging at least one supporter to remove them. My pages were cleaned and the black ribbons without links or commentary were added. You agreed at the time that that would be appropriate. I make no excuses and ask no quarter, I say again... I made a mistake "I" left a link on a page that I intended to be squeaky clean. If for that I am "Not in Good Standing", I will accept it and go on with my life. Thanks once again for listening, Jim

I second the motion. Joe ILGenWeb State Coordinator wrote: > > Motion #00-12:"I move to find the logos (know as protest logo's) as > inappropriate and in non-compliance, and those displaying them after > 23:59 on 21 May, 2000 "NOT" to be in good standing with USGWP." > > It was my intent that with making of this motion #00-12 that notice be > served to all that they could not inappropriately display or be little > the USGWP name or image. It was and could be used to keep persons that > would do such from running for office. However it was not my intent to > open the door to hunt down honest protesters who attempted to correct > their mistake. That is why I inserted a time limit. To allow for > compliance. > > There for I move to Rescind, Repeal, or Annul. Motion #00-12. > Richard... > > Richard M. Howland IlGenWeb State Coordinator > Mailto:illinois@usroots.com ICQ # 898319 > NE/NCR CC Representative USGWP Advisory Board > > ILGEN-L List Co-ordinator ILPIATT-L List Co-ordinator > IL-CHAT-L List Co-ordinator TXYOUNG-L List Co-ordinator > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilpiatt/piatt.htm > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richpump/YoungCountyCemPage.htm > http://www.pets.rootsweb.com/~hedgehogs/index.html > http://www.crafts.rootsweb.com/~woodworking/index.html > http://www.wf.net/~richpump/HowlandOnLine.html -- Zsedeny Genealogy - http://www.rootsweb.com/~jzed/home.htm NDGenWeb Archives - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nd/ndfiles.htm Pembina County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndpembin/pembina.htm Ramsey County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndramsey/ramsey.htm

Richard and all... even before I removed my logos elsewhere, I cleaned up Henderson County and asked my assistant to take over. At that point I was willing to be "not in good standing" with my FLGenWeb Sites, but I was not willing to drag KYGenWeb and Henderson County into it with me. I thought I had cleaned everything before I put Netta's name on as CC. I still do all of the HTML for Netta and could have, would have removed it, if I had of realized it was still there. You have to realize, that I was angry at the world. I could not believe what I had just seen happen. It did not fit with the "Rules" as I knew them. I did not hurl flames, or even show completely how deeply hurt I was. I listened to everyone and tried to understand... I still don't, but that is neither here nor there. I decided to quietly protest. I admit the venue I chose was not the best, but it was the way I felt at the time, dark. When you made your motion, I wrote to you and explained myself and I listened to you. I then asked everyone to remove the logos, I even resorted to begging at least one supporter to remove them. My pages were cleaned and the black ribbons without links or commentary were added. You agreed at the time that that would be appropriate. I make no excuses and ask no quarter, I say again... I made a mistake "I" left a link on a page that I intended to be squeaky clean. If for that I am "Not in Good Standing", I will accept it and go on with my life. Thanks once again for listening, Jim

Okay, Richard, you are a straight shooter, have at it. But I reserve the right to repost the motion after your count. Joe ILGenWeb State Coordinator wrote: > > Jim I would like to ask a personal question. However I want a public > answer. It was my understanding that you removed the Protest USGWP Logo > from your USGWP and XXGW sites. If you say you did I will take that that > as the only proof I need. If you tell me that you made a mistake an miss > one I will also except that. > > Joe I would ask you to with draw your present Motion to allow me to put > forth a new one. Richard... > > > Richard M. Howland IlGenWeb State Coordinator > Mailto:illinois@usroots.com ICQ # 898319 > NE/NCR CC Representative USGWP Advisory Board > > ILGEN-L List Co-ordinator ILPIATT-L List Co-ordinator > IL-CHAT-L List Co-ordinator TXYOUNG-L List Co-ordinator > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilpiatt/piatt.htm > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~richpump/YoungCountyCemPage.htm > http://www.pets.rootsweb.com/~hedgehogs/index.html > http://www.crafts.rootsweb.com/~woodworking/index.html > http://www.wf.net/~richpump/HowlandOnLine.html -- Zsedeny Genealogy - http://www.rootsweb.com/~jzed/home.htm NDGenWeb Archives - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nd/ndfiles.htm Pembina County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndpembin/pembina.htm Ramsey County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndramsey/ramsey.htm

Fellow Board Members... The EC is deciding whether or not I am in "Good Standing". Roger merely offered me a way out without being judged. I declined. I told him to do what they had to do. I will abide by their decision, although I am sure that others will not wish me to. I have been in his shoes before and realize that it is not easy. I do my best to follow the rules, even when I don't agree with them. I have been known to walk the line and find myself too close to the "wrong" side of a rule at times. I took my logos down and I requested that everyone else do the same. Because we had been discussing my candidacy on FLGEN-L, I let them know about the potential problem. BTW... The current beef is that they found a link on my personal homepage to a page I now help with. They found a link to Teresa's site under the logo. I had intended to totally clean this site, when I passed it to my assistant. I did not even leave the Black Ribbons. If this makes me not in "Good Standing", then so be it. I made a mistake, my intentions were good. Thanks for listening, Jim

Yes, we need to get the details on this. Joe Ginger wrote: > > I'm having a real struggle with this. Maybe Roger > could let us know if this is correct. > > Ginger > gingerh@shawneelink.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: FEATHER2s@aol.com <FEATHER2s@aol.com> > To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com <BOARD-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Saturday, June 03, 2000 10:08 PM > Subject: Re: [BOARD-L] Question > > >In a message dated 06/03/2000 11:02:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > >gingerh@shawneelink.com writes: > > > >> Can you be a little more explicit? Who was asked to withdraw > >> by whom and for what reason? Why would the elections > >> committee ask someone to withdraw? > > > >Ginger, > > > >I have been told that Roger Swafford has asked Jim Powell to withdraw his > >candidacy for the NC position. > > > >Virginia (Ginger) Cisewski > >NW-Plains CC Rep > > -- Zsedeny Genealogy - http://www.rootsweb.com/~jzed/home.htm NDGenWeb Archives - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nd/ndfiles.htm Pembina County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndpembin/pembina.htm Ramsey County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndramsey/ramsey.htm

I'm having a real struggle with this. Maybe Roger could let us know if this is correct. Ginger gingerh@shawneelink.com -----Original Message----- From: FEATHER2s@aol.com <FEATHER2s@aol.com> To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com <BOARD-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, June 03, 2000 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [BOARD-L] Question >In a message dated 06/03/2000 11:02:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >gingerh@shawneelink.com writes: > >> Can you be a little more explicit? Who was asked to withdraw >> by whom and for what reason? Why would the elections >> committee ask someone to withdraw? > >Ginger, > >I have been told that Roger Swafford has asked Jim Powell to withdraw his >candidacy for the NC position. > >Virginia (Ginger) Cisewski >NW-Plains CC Rep >

Can you be a little more explicit? Who was asked to withdraw by whom and for what reason? Why would the elections committee ask someone to withdraw? Ginger gingerh@shawneelink.com -----Original Message----- From: FEATHER2s@aol.com <FEATHER2s@aol.com> To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com <BOARD-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, June 03, 2000 9:46 PM Subject: [BOARD-L] Question >Can someone please tell me why the Elections Committee is requesting >candidates for the NC position withdraw from the race??? > > >Virginia (Ginger) Cisewski >

Forwarding as requested. >From: "Donkelly" <donkelly@grovenet.net> >To: "Betsy Mills" <betsym@1starnet.com> >Subject: Motion action 00-12 vote taken 16 May 2000 >Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 16:33:48 -0700 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 >X-RCPT-TO: <betsym@1starnet.com> > >Betsy. Please forward this appeal to the USGenWeb Advisory Board > >============================================================ >Dear Advisory Board, > >As a member in good standing with the USGenWeb and WorldGenWeb Projects, I >hereby appeal the findings of the Advisory Board for Motion 00-11 found May >15, 2000 and Motion 00-12 found May 21, 2000. > >This appeal is based upon the provisions of USGENWEB bylaws under Advisory >Board Procedures, Article VIII, Sections 2 and 3 as cited below. > >============================================================ >ARTICLE VIII. ADVISORY BOARD PROCEDURES > >Section 2. Issues shall require a 2/3 majority, of those board members >voting, to pass. > >Section 3. For major issues, the Advisory Board will announce, at least 48 >hours in advance, when the vote will be taken in order for members to have >the opportunity to voice their opinion. >============================================================ >APPEAL NUMBER ONE: > >Appeal of findings under Motion 00-11: > >This motion was defeated by default through inactivity (members not voting), >to wit., failure to achieve a quorum. > >Inactivity by the board in this matter served to deprive complainants ( The >aggrieved ) of their rights under the bylaws to complain and be heard. > >I respectfully submit that refusal by the board to vote does not deprive >complainants of their right to be heard. > >To make the complainants whole, Motion 00-11 must be revoted upon with a >quorum. > >I respectfully request it be done. > >============================================================ >APPEAL NUMBER TWO: > >Appeal of findings under Motion 00-12: > >This motion was upheld by a quorum vote of nine to four, 55% of the voting >quorum. >Article VIII, Section 2 requires a 2/3rds majority to defeat or uphold a >motion. > >Furthermore, the accused were not informed that a vote would be taken on >this matter in 24 hours. This is a violation of Article VIII, Section 3 >which guarantees that the accused will be heard during the 24 hours before >the vote is taken. > >Having failed to pass by the required 2/3rds of the voting quorum, Motion >00-12 fails the 2/3rds vote standard. > >In effect, Motion 00-12 was defeated, not passed. > >Therefore, I respectfully request that Motion 00-12 be entered into the >record as failed. > >Thank you > >Don Kelly > >Records of both motions are cited below. >============================================================ > >Issue: Grievance Procedure >Date: 10 May 2000 >Motion #00-11:"I move that our NC provide a FAIR forum to hear the >grievance(s) against himself and Board Members." > >Motion By: Jim Powell >Second By: Virginia Cisewski > >Votes: >Virginia Cisewski - Yes >Barbara Dore - No Vote >Joy Fisher - No >Shari Handley - No Vote >Ginger Hayes - Yes >Richard Howland - No Vote >Gloria Mayfield - No Vote >Betsy Mills - No Vote >Teri Pettit - No Vote >Jim Powell - Yes >Pam Reid - Abstain >Maggie Stewart-Zimmerman - No Vote >Holly Timm - No Vote >Tina S. Vickery - No >Joe Zsdedeny - No Vote > >The voting totals are: Yes - 3; No - 2; Abstain - 1; Not voting: 9. >Quorum not met; motion fails. 15 May 2000 > >**************************************************************************** >*********************************Issue: > >Protest logos in non-compliance. >Date: 16 May 2000 >Motion #00-12:"I move to find the logos (know as protest logo's) as >inappropriate and in non-compliance, and those displaying them after 23:59 >on 21 May, 2000 "NOT" to be in good standing with USGWP." > >Motion By: Richard Howland >Second By: Maggie Stewart-Zimmerman > >Votes: >Virginia Cisewski - No >Barbara Dore - Yes >Joy Fisher - Yes >Shari Handley - Yes >Ginger Hayes - No Vote >Richard Howland - Yes >Gloria Mayfield - No >Betsy Mills - Yes >Teri Pettit - No >Jim Powell - No Vote >Pam Reid - No >Maggie Stewart-Zimmerman - Yes >Holly Timm - Yes >Tina S. Vickery - Yes >Joe Zsdedeny - Yes > > >Yes - 9; No - 3; Abstain - 0; Not voting - 2; voting late - 1 >Motion carries. 23 May 2000 >**************************************************************************** >********************************* >

Let's go with Joy's interpretation. It was the C. Hammett laundry list of complaints that got the Irish up. Joe Joy Fisher wrote: > > I took it to mean the group of 5 from C. Hammett that were designed to use > USGenWeb to beat RootsWeb over the head. > > At 02:48 PM 6/3/00 -0500, you wrote: > >Joe, > >Would you please clarify your motion. Are you moving > >that all grievances submitted to the AB prior to your > >motion are included in this? That is the way I could read it. > >If that is not the case would you consider amending your > >motion to show just which grievances, and which > >submitter, your motion addresses. > >At the moment the motion appears to me to be a little > >too broad in it's scope and could be intrepreted to mean > >that any grievance submitted to this board is frivolous and > >therefore should be dismissed. > >My reasoning for this that there have been quite a few > >grievances submitted. None have been addressed that I'm > >aware of. Each grievance should be addressed seperately > >to determine the merits of each and I am still greatly > >concerned about addressing grievances filed against this > >board or members of it. I see no fair way we can address > >those ourselves. > > > >Thanks, > >Ginger > >gingerh@shawneelink.com > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Betsy Mills <betsym@1starnet.com> > >To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com <BOARD-L@rootsweb.com> > >Date: Saturday, June 03, 2000 2:38 PM > >Subject: [BOARD-L] Fwd: Motion 00-14 > > > > > > >Forwarding for Tim Stowell, as requested: > > > > > >>Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 12:33:07 -0700 (PDT) > > >>From: Tim Stowell <usgw1nc@yahoo.com> > > >>Subject: Motion 00-14 > > >> > > >> For background on the motion made by Joe seconded by > > >>Joy: > > >> > > >>"By submitting these grievances to the Board the > > >>"aggrieved" party(s) is/are invoking Section I of > > >>Article XIV which requests the Advisory Board to > > >>advise on issues related to grievances and appeals. My > > >>advice is that the grievances are purely spiteful and > > >>meant to disrupt and cause disarray among the Project > > >>members." > > >> > > >>The motion below is given the number 00-14. The floor > > >>is now open for discussion. > > >> > > >> > > >>"Therefore, I move that the grievances be dismissed as > > >>frivolous and purely political in nature." > > >> > > >>Tim > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > -- Zsedeny Genealogy - http://www.rootsweb.com/~jzed/home.htm NDGenWeb Archives - http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nd/ndfiles.htm Pembina County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndpembin/pembina.htm Ramsey County, ND - http://www.rootsweb.com/~ndramsey/ramsey.htm