Larry, please see if the rewording that I've done (in blue font with the original changes in red). If anyone has a better idea for rewording this, please let me know - this is your motion, not mine. I'm simply trying to facilitate the discussion by making it easy to see what the final version would be so that this agenda item can be completed. Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Larry Flesher Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 In this paragraph from the mockup: 6 - When the team is seated, the parties shall be so advised by the Mediator. Everyone will be reminded that the grievance confidentiality extends to all parties (including the mediators, arbitrators and GC members) from the time the grievance process begins and that failure to abide by the confidentiality of the grievance process is grounds to automatically and immediately lose the grievance. The parties shall have seventy-two (72) hours to submit to the Mediator a written statement of their position on the issues of the dispute. The mediator shall provide the position statements to the team members for their review. The second sentence seems to be incomplete. Failure to maintain confidentiality "by the parties" is grounds to lose, etc., but a similiar failure "by the mediators, arbitrators, and GC members" should not be grounds to lose, but should result in some penalty to the individual failing. I believe another sentence is required to explain the penalty for failure "by the mediators, arbitrators, and GC members". Larry Flesher SWSC SC Rep ----- Original Message ---- From: Sherri <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 12:54:48 PM Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 In the interest of letting everyone see what's been suggested I've put up a mockup of the changes to the rules.  Maybe this will allow us to see more clearly the suggested changes.  The mockup is at http://kykinfolk.com/temp/amended-standard-rules-4-27.htm - does this help? Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 OK, can we please have those that have issues with this motion speak up with exactly what you are having issues with and suggest wording changes? I've also received a few of comments from others that you may want to consider since we're reworking this anyway.  First, from the Grievance Committee, the timing for filing a grievance is different for different situations.  The suggestion is to change it to a straight 14 days to file from the incident occurred or was discovered or someone is terminated from the Project.  (This suggestion is because the stated time frame for filing a grievance can be subject to interpretation if the person is removed from a project but is still a member of USGenWeb through another project.) Second, a time limit for filing an appeal should be stated.  The suggestion is 10-14 days for that, too (so that we can actually close all of the loopholes and have complete closure on the issue).  A limit to the number of times an appeal can be filed should also be added. Third, and we've all heard this from more than a few members, is the suggestion that once the grievance process is complete (including the possibility of filing an appeal), that at least basic information about the grievance should be released.  The suggested info to be made public would be the names of the parties involved, whatever the reason the grievance was filed and the resolution of the grievance and any appeals. If you don't want to include these things, just let me know and we'll leave them on the agenda as a separate item. So, can you please speak up so that we can keep this moving? Thanks, Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 With 12 members voting, the motion to table motion 2009/10-23 fails. Those voting to table the motion: Alice Allen, Colleen Pustola, Linda Lewis and W. David Samuelsen Those voting against tabling the motion: Ann Allen Geoghegan, Dale Grimm, Denise Wells, Jeff Kemp, Larry Flesher, Les Shockey, Pauli Smith and Tina Vickery Those not voting: Cyndie Enfinger Discussion will continue on motion 2009/10-23.  Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BOARD] Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 A motion to table motion 2009/10-23 has been made by David Samuelsen and seconded by Alice Allen.  Those in favor of tabling motion 2009/10-23 temporarily, please respond with "agree".  Those opposed, please respond with "disagree". 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David, with all due respect, your motion to table the motion failed, therefore discussion continues. Please accept the failure of your motion gracefully and let the facilitation of this motion continue without further disruptions of your enraged explosions of frustration. There are members of this Advisory Board that wish to conduct themselves in a professional and calm manner with the issues that are before us. If you cannot conduct yourself in a professional and calm manner with these issues, I will make a motion for you to be removed from the discussions on Board as a determent and detriment. I do not want to do that, but your incessant disruptions of this list is not conducive to conducting the business of the Board and you will leave me no choice. Tina Vickery Representative at Large ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Samuelsen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 > with number one absolute demand - the NC be BANNED from uttering even a > single comment because of one requirement for a Committee member who can > be influenced to control the way a grievance case go. > > and excess insistence on extra confidentiality is backfiring. > > We saw how much interference and undue influence already been exerted, > leading to the outrages. > > And we already wasted 6 months with this bad motion that got worse each > time. This was the intent of tabling the motion so we can move forward > to deal with 12 items still in queue, including 3 EC-related matters. > > David Samuelsen > > On 4/27/2010 11:54 AM, Sherri wrote: >> In the interest of letting everyone see what's been suggested I've put up >> a >> mockup of the changes to the rules. Maybe this will allow us to see more >> clearly the suggested changes. The mockup is at >> http://kykinfolk.com/temp/amended-standard-rules-4-27.htm - does this >> help? >> >> Sherri >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Sherri >> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:07 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 >> >> OK, can we please have those that have issues with this motion speak up >> with >> exactly what you are having issues with and suggest wording changes? >> >> I've also received a few of comments from others that you may want to >> consider since we're reworking this anyway. First, from the Grievance >> Committee, the timing for filing a grievance is different for different >> situations. The suggestion is to change it to a straight 14 days to file >> from the incident occurred or was discovered or someone is terminated >> from >> the Project. (This suggestion is because the stated time frame for >> filing a >> grievance can be subject to interpretation if the person is removed from >> a >> project but is still a member of USGenWeb through another project.) >> >> Second, a time limit for filing an appeal should be stated. The >> suggestion >> is 10-14 days for that, too (so that we can actually close all of the >> loopholes and have complete closure on the issue). A limit to the number >> of >> times an appeal can be filed should also be added. >> >> Third, and we've all heard this from more than a few members, is the >> suggestion that once the grievance process is complete (including the >> possibility of filing an appeal), that at least basic information about >> the >> grievance should be released. The suggested info to be made public would >> be >> the names of the parties involved, whatever the reason the grievance was >> filed and the resolution of the grievance and any appeals. >> >> If you don't want to include these things, just let me know and we'll >> leave >> them on the agenda as a separate item. >> >> So, can you please speak up so that we can keep this moving? >> >> Thanks, >> Sherri >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Sherri >> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:10 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 >> >> With 12 members voting, the motion to table motion 2009/10-23 fails. >> >> Those voting to table the motion: Alice Allen, Colleen Pustola, Linda >> Lewis >> and W. David Samuelsen >> >> Those voting against tabling the motion: Ann Allen Geoghegan, Dale Grimm, >> Denise Wells, Jeff Kemp, Larry Flesher, Les Shockey, Pauli Smith and Tina >> Vickery >> >> Those not voting: Cyndie Enfinger >> >> Discussion will continue on motion 2009/10-23. >> >> >> Sherri Bradley >> National Coordinator >> USGenWeb Project >> Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org >> Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Sherri >> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:35 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [BOARD] Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 >> >> A motion to table motion 2009/10-23 has been made by David Samuelsen and >> seconded by Alice Allen. >> >> >> >> Those in favor of tabling motion 2009/10-23 temporarily, please respond >> with >> "agree". Those opposed, please respond with "disagree". >> >> >> >> >> >> Sherri Bradley >> National Coordinator >> USGenWeb Project >> Information about the USGenWeb Project at<http://usgenweb.org> >> http://usgenweb.org >> Advisory Board Agenda<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php> >> http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php >> >> >> >> >> >> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Forwarding as this bounced. Sherri -----Original Message----- From: W David Samuelsen [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 with number one absolute demand - the NC be BANNED from uttering even a single comment because of one requirement for a Committee member who can be influenced to control the way a grievance case go. and excess insistence on extra confidentiality is backfiring. We saw how much interference and undue influence already been exerted, leading to the outrages. And we already wasted 6 months with this bad motion that got worse each time. This was the intent of tabling the motion so we can move forward to deal with 12 items still in queue, including 3 EC-related matters. David Samuelsen On 4/27/2010 11:54 AM, Sherri wrote: > In the interest of letting everyone see what's been suggested I've put up a > mockup of the changes to the rules. Maybe this will allow us to see more > clearly the suggested changes. The mockup is at > http://kykinfolk.com/temp/amended-standard-rules-4-27.htm - does this help? > > Sherri > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Sherri > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:07 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 > > OK, can we please have those that have issues with this motion speak up with > exactly what you are having issues with and suggest wording changes? > > I've also received a few of comments from others that you may want to > consider since we're reworking this anyway. First, from the Grievance > Committee, the timing for filing a grievance is different for different > situations. The suggestion is to change it to a straight 14 days to file > from the incident occurred or was discovered or someone is terminated from > the Project. (This suggestion is because the stated time frame for filing a > grievance can be subject to interpretation if the person is removed from a > project but is still a member of USGenWeb through another project.) > > Second, a time limit for filing an appeal should be stated. The suggestion > is 10-14 days for that, too (so that we can actually close all of the > loopholes and have complete closure on the issue). A limit to the number of > times an appeal can be filed should also be added. > > Third, and we've all heard this from more than a few members, is the > suggestion that once the grievance process is complete (including the > possibility of filing an appeal), that at least basic information about the > grievance should be released. The suggested info to be made public would be > the names of the parties involved, whatever the reason the grievance was > filed and the resolution of the grievance and any appeals. > > If you don't want to include these things, just let me know and we'll leave > them on the agenda as a separate item. > > So, can you please speak up so that we can keep this moving? > > Thanks, > Sherri > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Sherri > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:10 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 > > With 12 members voting, the motion to table motion 2009/10-23 fails. > > Those voting to table the motion: Alice Allen, Colleen Pustola, Linda Lewis > and W. David Samuelsen > > Those voting against tabling the motion: Ann Allen Geoghegan, Dale Grimm, > Denise Wells, Jeff Kemp, Larry Flesher, Les Shockey, Pauli Smith and Tina > Vickery > > Those not voting: Cyndie Enfinger > > Discussion will continue on motion 2009/10-23. > > > Sherri Bradley > National Coordinator > USGenWeb Project > Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org > Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Sherri > Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:35 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [BOARD] Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 > > A motion to table motion 2009/10-23 has been made by David Samuelsen and > seconded by Alice Allen. > > > > Those in favor of tabling motion 2009/10-23 temporarily, please respond with > "agree". Those opposed, please respond with "disagree". > > > > > > Sherri Bradley > National Coordinator > USGenWeb Project > Information about the USGenWeb Project at<http://usgenweb.org> > http://usgenweb.org > Advisory Board Agenda<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php> > http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php > > > > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Forwarded with permission. Thank you, Pat, for your thoughtful comments. Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project -----Original Message----- From: Pat Asher [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 1:29 PM To: W David Samuelsen Cc: Sherri Subject: Re: [BOARD] Challenge to Grievance Decisions made in Board-Exec At 12:01 PM 4/27/2010, David wrote: >Sturgis page 37-38 > >Ratify the actions. Decisions made by Officers without approval of the board, are subject to challenge if not ratified by the board. However, the Advisory Board is empowered to hear appeals of grievances. Standard Rules XIV.E.Section 9. A party aggrieved by a decision of the Grievance Committee may make an appeal to the USGenWeb Project Advisory Board. The Advisory Board will review the appeal to determine if the Grievance Procedures were followed as set out herein. An appeal to the Advisory Board is not a rehearing of the issues and the outcome is either to affirm the determination made by the Grievance Committee, or a return to the Grievance Committee for reconsideration. Therefore a vote by the Advisory Board on the appeal of a grievance needs no ratification. It was made by the only body empowered to do so. >couple it with this bylaw > >VIII. Advisory Board Procedures >D. Voting records of the Advisory Board membership shall be posted publicly. > >Therefore the Grievance decisions made in the Board-Exec (in secret) >posted against FLGenWeb (no secret at all) are in direct violations of >the Bylaws and Sturgis. A decision made in Board-Exec is made PURSUANT to the Bylaws, Sturgis, Standard and Special Rules. You are correct that the bylaws and Special Rules require the vote be posted on Board (publicly). Special Rules VIII. CLOSED SESSION/MEETING CONFIDENTIALITY. A closed session may be called by the Presiding Officer at any time and will be conducted on Mailing List Board-Exec. Discussions in closed session include, but are not limited to, personnel matters, grievances, legal problems and other matters of a highly sensitive nature. Any votes conducted in closed session shall be publicly announced on Mailing List Board. Pat Asher Permission granted to forward.

OK, let me see what I missed when I was copying and pasting - or can someone suggest better wording? Thanks, Larry. Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Larry Flesher Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 In this paragraph from the mockup: 6 - When the team is seated, the parties shall be so advised by the Mediator. Everyone will be reminded that the grievance confidentiality extends to all parties (including the mediators, arbitrators and GC members) from the time the grievance process begins and that failure to abide by the confidentiality of the grievance process is grounds to automatically and immediately lose the grievance. The parties shall have seventy-two (72) hours to submit to the Mediator a written statement of their position on the issues of the dispute. The mediator shall provide the position statements to the team members for their review. The second sentence seems to be incomplete. Failure to maintain confidentiality "by the parties" is grounds to lose, etc., but a similiar failure "by the mediators, arbitrators, and GC members" should not be grounds to lose, but should result in some penalty to the individual failing. I believe another sentence is required to explain the penalty for failure "by the mediators, arbitrators, and GC members". Larry Flesher SWSC SC Rep ----- Original Message ---- From: Sherri <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 12:54:48 PM Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 In the interest of letting everyone see what's been suggested I've put up a mockup of the changes to the rules.  Maybe this will allow us to see more clearly the suggested changes.  The mockup is at http://kykinfolk.com/temp/amended-standard-rules-4-27.htm - does this help? Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 OK, can we please have those that have issues with this motion speak up with exactly what you are having issues with and suggest wording changes? I've also received a few of comments from others that you may want to consider since we're reworking this anyway.  First, from the Grievance Committee, the timing for filing a grievance is different for different situations.  The suggestion is to change it to a straight 14 days to file from the incident occurred or was discovered or someone is terminated from the Project.  (This suggestion is because the stated time frame for filing a grievance can be subject to interpretation if the person is removed from a project but is still a member of USGenWeb through another project.) Second, a time limit for filing an appeal should be stated.  The suggestion is 10-14 days for that, too (so that we can actually close all of the loopholes and have complete closure on the issue).  A limit to the number of times an appeal can be filed should also be added. Third, and we've all heard this from more than a few members, is the suggestion that once the grievance process is complete (including the possibility of filing an appeal), that at least basic information about the grievance should be released.  The suggested info to be made public would be the names of the parties involved, whatever the reason the grievance was filed and the resolution of the grievance and any appeals. If you don't want to include these things, just let me know and we'll leave them on the agenda as a separate item. So, can you please speak up so that we can keep this moving? Thanks, Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 With 12 members voting, the motion to table motion 2009/10-23 fails. Those voting to table the motion: Alice Allen, Colleen Pustola, Linda Lewis and W. David Samuelsen Those voting against tabling the motion: Ann Allen Geoghegan, Dale Grimm, Denise Wells, Jeff Kemp, Larry Flesher, Les Shockey, Pauli Smith and Tina Vickery Those not voting: Cyndie Enfinger Discussion will continue on motion 2009/10-23.  Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BOARD] Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 A motion to table motion 2009/10-23 has been made by David Samuelsen and seconded by Alice Allen.  Those in favor of tabling motion 2009/10-23 temporarily, please respond with "agree".  Those opposed, please respond with "disagree". Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at  <http://usgenweb.org> http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda  <http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php> http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Appeal vote 2 of 2. Tina Vickery Representative at Large ----- Original Message ----- From: Tina S. Vickery [snip] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:19 PM Subject: DECISION: Appeal Grievance 2009-08-15. Dear xxx, [snip] Therefore, the decision of the Grievance Committee is affirmed. Sincerely, Tina S. Vickery for USGenWeb Project Advisory Board Approved: Alice Allen, Cyndie Enfinger, Larry Flesher, Ann Allen Geoghegan, Dale Grimm, Jeff Kemp, Linda Lewis, Colleen Pustola, Lesley Shockey, Pauli Smith and Tina Vickery Rejected: -- Did not vote: -- Not present: W. David Samuelson Recused: Denise Wells

Appeal vote 1 of 2. Tina Vickery Representative at Large ----- Original Message ----- From: Tina S. Vickery [snip] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:19 PM Subject: DECISION: Appeal Grievance 2009-08-15. Dear xxx, [snip] Therefore, the decision of the Grievance Committee is affirmed. Sincerely, Tina S. Vickery for USGenWeb Project Advisory Board Approved: Alice Allen, Cyndie Enfinger, Larry Flesher, Ann Allen Geoghegan, Dale Grimm, Jeff Kemp, Linda Lewis, Colleen Pustola, Lesley Shockey, Pauli Smith and Tina Vickery Rejected: -- Did not vote: -- Not present: W. David Samuelson Recused: Denise Wells

With Sherri's ruling, I will send the voting records. There were two appeal decisions issued to Appeal Grievance 2009-08-15, to two separate individuals. I will send the voting record of those two appeals under separate cover for the record. Tina Vickery Representative at Large ___ From: "Sherri" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [BOARD] Challenge to Grievance Decisions made in Board-Exec > David, > > Your challenge that the action on the grievance decision must be ratified > is > without merit. The reference that you're quoting from Sturgis on pages > 37-38 specifically refers to actions that were taken in emergency > conditions > or that were taken in the absence of a quorum. Neither of these > conditions > existed for the decision on the grievance appeals that were decided upon. > > Per Section VIII of the Special Rules at > http://usgenweb.org/volunteers/special-rules.shtml, personnel matters and > matters relating to grievances are considered highly sensitive and all > discussions relating to them are held on the BOARD-EXEC mail list. Votes > conducted in the closed session will be publically announced, which is the > piece that I failed to include in the announcement, although that > omission, > in and of itself, does not void the action taken. For the record, Tina > Vickery, who handled the appeals will be posting the voting results of > each > appeal. The disciplinary hearing that Tina is also handling is > continuing. > > As a reminder, in the future, a challenge to ratify a vote cannot > interrupt > a speaker, requires a second and does not take precedence over any other > motions. > > > Sherri Bradley > National Coordinator > USGenWeb Project > Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org > Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of W David Samuelsen > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:01 PM > To: [email protected]; Sherri; Tina Vickery; Cyndie Enfinger; Dale Grimm; > DC & Alice Allen; Pauli Smith; Colleen Pustola; [email protected]; Les > Shockley; [email protected]; Denise Wells; Larry Flesher; > [email protected]; Linda Lewis > Subject: [BOARD] Challenge to Grievance Decisions made in Board-Exec > > Sturgis page 37-38 > > Ratify the actions. > > couple it with this bylaw > > VIII. Advisory Board Procedures > D. Voting records of the Advisory Board membership shall be posted > publicly. > > Therefore the Grievance decisions made in the Board-Exec (in secret) > posted against FLGenWeb (no secret at all) are in direct violations of > the Bylaws and Sturgis. > > W. David Samuelsen > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

It's better - thank you. Larry ----- Original Message ---- From: Sherri <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 2:51:10 PM Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 Errr... see if the wording is better, please.  Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 Larry, please see if the rewording that I've done (in blue font with the original changes in red). If anyone has a better idea for rewording this, please let me know - this is your motion, not mine.  I'm simply trying to facilitate the discussion by making it easy to see what the final version would be so that this agenda item can be completed. Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Larry Flesher Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 In this paragraph from the mockup: 6 - When the team is seated, the parties shall be so advised by the Mediator. Everyone will be reminded that the grievance confidentiality extends to all parties (including the mediators, arbitrators and GC members) from the time the grievance process begins and that failure to abide by the confidentiality of the grievance process is grounds to automatically and immediately lose the grievance. The parties shall have seventy-two (72) hours to submit to the Mediator a written statement of their position on the issues of the dispute. The mediator shall provide the position statements to the team members for their review. The second sentence seems to be incomplete. Failure to maintain confidentiality "by the parties" is grounds to lose, etc., but a similiar failure "by the mediators, arbitrators, and GC members" should not be grounds to lose, but should result in some penalty to the individual failing. I believe another sentence is required to explain the penalty for failure "by the mediators, arbitrators, and GC members". Larry Flesher SWSC SC Rep ----- Original Message ---- From: Sherri <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 12:54:48 PM Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 In the interest of letting everyone see what's been suggested I've put up a mockup of the changes to the rules.  Maybe this will allow us to see more clearly the suggested changes.  The mockup is at http://kykinfolk.com/temp/amended-standard-rules-4-27.htm - does this help? Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 OK, can we please have those that have issues with this motion speak up with exactly what you are having issues with and suggest wording changes? I've also received a few of comments from others that you may want to consider since we're reworking this anyway.  First, from the Grievance Committee, the timing for filing a grievance is different for different situations.  The suggestion is to change it to a straight 14 days to file from the incident occurred or was discovered or someone is terminated from the Project.  (This suggestion is because the stated time frame for filing a grievance can be subject to interpretation if the person is removed from a project but is still a member of USGenWeb through another project.) Second, a time limit for filing an appeal should be stated.  The suggestion is 10-14 days for that, too (so that we can actually close all of the loopholes and have complete closure on the issue).  A limit to the number of times an appeal can be filed should also be added. Third, and we've all heard this from more than a few members, is the suggestion that once the grievance process is complete (including the possibility of filing an appeal), that at least basic information about the grievance should be released.  The suggested info to be made public would be the names of the parties involved, whatever the reason the grievance was filed and the resolution of the grievance and any appeals. If you don't want to include these things, just let me know and we'll leave them on the agenda as a separate item. So, can you please speak up so that we can keep this moving? Thanks, Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 With 12 members voting, the motion to table motion 2009/10-23 fails. Those voting to table the motion: Alice Allen, Colleen Pustola, Linda Lewis and W. David Samuelsen Those voting against tabling the motion: Ann Allen Geoghegan, Dale Grimm, Denise Wells, Jeff Kemp, Larry Flesher, Les Shockey, Pauli Smith and Tina Vickery Those not voting: Cyndie Enfinger Discussion will continue on motion 2009/10-23.  Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BOARD] Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 A motion to table motion 2009/10-23 has been made by David Samuelsen and seconded by Alice Allen.  Those in favor of tabling motion 2009/10-23 temporarily, please respond with "agree".  Those opposed, please respond with "disagree". Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at  <http://usgenweb.org> http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda  <http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php> http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message       USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That fixed it nicely, Sherri. Larry ----- Original Message ---- From: Sherri <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 2:47:28 PM Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 Larry, please see if the rewording that I've done (in blue font with the original changes in red). If anyone has a better idea for rewording this, please let me know - this is your motion, not mine.  I'm simply trying to facilitate the discussion by making it easy to see what the final version would be so that this agenda item can be completed. Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Larry Flesher Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 In this paragraph from the mockup: 6 - When the team is seated, the parties shall be so advised by the Mediator. Everyone will be reminded that the grievance confidentiality extends to all parties (including the mediators, arbitrators and GC members) from the time the grievance process begins and that failure to abide by the confidentiality of the grievance process is grounds to automatically and immediately lose the grievance. The parties shall have seventy-two (72) hours to submit to the Mediator a written statement of their position on the issues of the dispute. The mediator shall provide the position statements to the team members for their review. The second sentence seems to be incomplete. Failure to maintain confidentiality "by the parties" is grounds to lose, etc., but a similiar failure "by the mediators, arbitrators, and GC members" should not be grounds to lose, but should result in some penalty to the individual failing. I believe another sentence is required to explain the penalty for failure "by the mediators, arbitrators, and GC members". Larry Flesher SWSC SC Rep ----- Original Message ---- From: Sherri <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 12:54:48 PM Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 In the interest of letting everyone see what's been suggested I've put up a mockup of the changes to the rules.  Maybe this will allow us to see more clearly the suggested changes.  The mockup is at http://kykinfolk.com/temp/amended-standard-rules-4-27.htm - does this help? Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 OK, can we please have those that have issues with this motion speak up with exactly what you are having issues with and suggest wording changes? I've also received a few of comments from others that you may want to consider since we're reworking this anyway.  First, from the Grievance Committee, the timing for filing a grievance is different for different situations.  The suggestion is to change it to a straight 14 days to file from the incident occurred or was discovered or someone is terminated from the Project.  (This suggestion is because the stated time frame for filing a grievance can be subject to interpretation if the person is removed from a project but is still a member of USGenWeb through another project.) Second, a time limit for filing an appeal should be stated.  The suggestion is 10-14 days for that, too (so that we can actually close all of the loopholes and have complete closure on the issue).  A limit to the number of times an appeal can be filed should also be added. Third, and we've all heard this from more than a few members, is the suggestion that once the grievance process is complete (including the possibility of filing an appeal), that at least basic information about the grievance should be released.  The suggested info to be made public would be the names of the parties involved, whatever the reason the grievance was filed and the resolution of the grievance and any appeals. If you don't want to include these things, just let me know and we'll leave them on the agenda as a separate item. So, can you please speak up so that we can keep this moving? Thanks, Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 With 12 members voting, the motion to table motion 2009/10-23 fails. Those voting to table the motion: Alice Allen, Colleen Pustola, Linda Lewis and W. David Samuelsen Those voting against tabling the motion: Ann Allen Geoghegan, Dale Grimm, Denise Wells, Jeff Kemp, Larry Flesher, Les Shockey, Pauli Smith and Tina Vickery Those not voting: Cyndie Enfinger Discussion will continue on motion 2009/10-23.  Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BOARD] Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 A motion to table motion 2009/10-23 has been made by David Samuelsen and seconded by Alice Allen.  Those in favor of tabling motion 2009/10-23 temporarily, please respond with "agree".  Those opposed, please respond with "disagree". Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at  <http://usgenweb.org> http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda  <http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php> http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message       USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David, Your challenge that the action on the grievance decision must be ratified is without merit. The reference that you're quoting from Sturgis on pages 37-38 specifically refers to actions that were taken in emergency conditions or that were taken in the absence of a quorum. Neither of these conditions existed for the decision on the grievance appeals that were decided upon. Per Section VIII of the Special Rules at http://usgenweb.org/volunteers/special-rules.shtml, personnel matters and matters relating to grievances are considered highly sensitive and all discussions relating to them are held on the BOARD-EXEC mail list. Votes conducted in the closed session will be publically announced, which is the piece that I failed to include in the announcement, although that omission, in and of itself, does not void the action taken. For the record, Tina Vickery, who handled the appeals will be posting the voting results of each appeal. The disciplinary hearing that Tina is also handling is continuing. As a reminder, in the future, a challenge to ratify a vote cannot interrupt a speaker, requires a second and does not take precedence over any other motions. Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of W David Samuelsen Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:01 PM To: [email protected]; Sherri; Tina Vickery; Cyndie Enfinger; Dale Grimm; DC & Alice Allen; Pauli Smith; Colleen Pustola; [email protected]; Les Shockley; [email protected]; Denise Wells; Larry Flesher; [email protected]; Linda Lewis Subject: [BOARD] Challenge to Grievance Decisions made in Board-Exec Sturgis page 37-38 Ratify the actions. couple it with this bylaw VIII. Advisory Board Procedures D. Voting records of the Advisory Board membership shall be posted publicly. Therefore the Grievance decisions made in the Board-Exec (in secret) posted against FLGenWeb (no secret at all) are in direct violations of the Bylaws and Sturgis. W. David Samuelsen USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml

In the interest of letting everyone see what's been suggested I've put up a mockup of the changes to the rules. Maybe this will allow us to see more clearly the suggested changes. The mockup is at http://kykinfolk.com/temp/amended-standard-rules-4-27.htm - does this help? Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 OK, can we please have those that have issues with this motion speak up with exactly what you are having issues with and suggest wording changes? I've also received a few of comments from others that you may want to consider since we're reworking this anyway. First, from the Grievance Committee, the timing for filing a grievance is different for different situations. The suggestion is to change it to a straight 14 days to file from the incident occurred or was discovered or someone is terminated from the Project. (This suggestion is because the stated time frame for filing a grievance can be subject to interpretation if the person is removed from a project but is still a member of USGenWeb through another project.) Second, a time limit for filing an appeal should be stated. The suggestion is 10-14 days for that, too (so that we can actually close all of the loopholes and have complete closure on the issue). A limit to the number of times an appeal can be filed should also be added. Third, and we've all heard this from more than a few members, is the suggestion that once the grievance process is complete (including the possibility of filing an appeal), that at least basic information about the grievance should be released. The suggested info to be made public would be the names of the parties involved, whatever the reason the grievance was filed and the resolution of the grievance and any appeals. If you don't want to include these things, just let me know and we'll leave them on the agenda as a separate item. So, can you please speak up so that we can keep this moving? Thanks, Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 With 12 members voting, the motion to table motion 2009/10-23 fails. Those voting to table the motion: Alice Allen, Colleen Pustola, Linda Lewis and W. David Samuelsen Those voting against tabling the motion: Ann Allen Geoghegan, Dale Grimm, Denise Wells, Jeff Kemp, Larry Flesher, Les Shockey, Pauli Smith and Tina Vickery Those not voting: Cyndie Enfinger Discussion will continue on motion 2009/10-23. Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BOARD] Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 A motion to table motion 2009/10-23 has been made by David Samuelsen and seconded by Alice Allen. Those in favor of tabling motion 2009/10-23 temporarily, please respond with "agree". Those opposed, please respond with "disagree". Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at <http://usgenweb.org> http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda <http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php> http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Resending - this bounced. Linda -----Original Message----- From: Linda Lewis [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 I am in favor of tabling this item for the following reasons: - We've spent a long time on this item and in my opinion, it has not been an effective or productive use of our time; many more items are queued awaiting our attention. - Each proposed change seems to be met with controversy in the membership - not just in my region. I will further state that I am not now, nor ever have been, in favor of taking confidentiality to a paralyzing nth degree with regard to a grievance. Grievants cannot seek assistance from anyone with peripheral issues due to the extreme confidentiality definition. This very effectively freezes areas of the project which can result in a negative impact to all, particularly those involved in a grievance and the State itself. While grievances are a very important mechanism, they are not the equivalent of a murder trial and should be more like a civil case (IMO - have received input from numerous others that agree). I am in favor of setting the time limits and I am in favor of publishing the results but I am not in favor of the previous motion nor am I in favor of continuing this discussion at this time. Linda -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 OK, can we please have those that have issues with this motion speak up with exactly what you are having issues with and suggest wording changes? I've also received a few of comments from others that you may want to consider since we're reworking this anyway. First, from the Grievance Committee, the timing for filing a grievance is different for different situations. The suggestion is to change it to a straight 14 days to file from the incident occurred or was discovered or someone is terminated from the Project. (This suggestion is because the stated time frame for filing a grievance can be subject to interpretation if the person is removed from a project but is still a member of USGenWeb through another project.) Second, a time limit for filing an appeal should be stated. The suggestion is 10-14 days for that, too (so that we can actually close all of the loopholes and have complete closure on the issue). A limit to the number of times an appeal can be filed should also be added. Third, and we've all heard this from more than a few members, is the suggestion that once the grievance process is complete (including the possibility of filing an appeal), that at least basic information about the grievance should be released. The suggested info to be made public would be the names of the parties involved, whatever the reason the grievance was filed and the resolution of the grievance and any appeals. If you don't want to include these things, just let me know and we'll leave them on the agenda as a separate item. So, can you please speak up so that we can keep this moving? Thanks, Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 With 12 members voting, the motion to table motion 2009/10-23 fails. Those voting to table the motion: Alice Allen, Colleen Pustola, Linda Lewis and W. David Samuelsen Those voting against tabling the motion: Ann Allen Geoghegan, Dale Grimm, Denise Wells, Jeff Kemp, Larry Flesher, Les Shockey, Pauli Smith and Tina Vickery Those not voting: Cyndie Enfinger Discussion will continue on motion 2009/10-23. Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BOARD] Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 A motion to table motion 2009/10-23 has been made by David Samuelsen and seconded by Alice Allen. Those in favor of tabling motion 2009/10-23 temporarily, please respond with "agree". Those opposed, please respond with "disagree". Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at <http://usgenweb.org> http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda <http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php> http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

with number one absolute demand - the NC be BANNED from uttering even a single comment because of one requirement for a Committee member who can be influenced to control the way a grievance case go. and excess insistence on extra confidentiality is backfiring. We saw how much interference and undue influence already been exerted, leading to the outrages. And we already wasted 6 months with this bad motion that got worse each time. This was the intent of tabling the motion so we can move forward to deal with 12 items still in queue, including 3 EC-related matters. David Samuelsen On 4/27/2010 11:54 AM, Sherri wrote: > In the interest of letting everyone see what's been suggested I've put up a > mockup of the changes to the rules. Maybe this will allow us to see more > clearly the suggested changes. The mockup is at > http://kykinfolk.com/temp/amended-standard-rules-4-27.htm - does this help? > > Sherri > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Sherri > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:07 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 > > OK, can we please have those that have issues with this motion speak up with > exactly what you are having issues with and suggest wording changes? > > I've also received a few of comments from others that you may want to > consider since we're reworking this anyway. First, from the Grievance > Committee, the timing for filing a grievance is different for different > situations. The suggestion is to change it to a straight 14 days to file > from the incident occurred or was discovered or someone is terminated from > the Project. (This suggestion is because the stated time frame for filing a > grievance can be subject to interpretation if the person is removed from a > project but is still a member of USGenWeb through another project.) > > Second, a time limit for filing an appeal should be stated. The suggestion > is 10-14 days for that, too (so that we can actually close all of the > loopholes and have complete closure on the issue). A limit to the number of > times an appeal can be filed should also be added. > > Third, and we've all heard this from more than a few members, is the > suggestion that once the grievance process is complete (including the > possibility of filing an appeal), that at least basic information about the > grievance should be released. The suggested info to be made public would be > the names of the parties involved, whatever the reason the grievance was > filed and the resolution of the grievance and any appeals. > > If you don't want to include these things, just let me know and we'll leave > them on the agenda as a separate item. > > So, can you please speak up so that we can keep this moving? > > Thanks, > Sherri > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Sherri > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:10 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 > > With 12 members voting, the motion to table motion 2009/10-23 fails. > > Those voting to table the motion: Alice Allen, Colleen Pustola, Linda Lewis > and W. David Samuelsen > > Those voting against tabling the motion: Ann Allen Geoghegan, Dale Grimm, > Denise Wells, Jeff Kemp, Larry Flesher, Les Shockey, Pauli Smith and Tina > Vickery > > Those not voting: Cyndie Enfinger > > Discussion will continue on motion 2009/10-23. > > > Sherri Bradley > National Coordinator > USGenWeb Project > Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org > Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Sherri > Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:35 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [BOARD] Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 > > A motion to table motion 2009/10-23 has been made by David Samuelsen and > seconded by Alice Allen. > > > > Those in favor of tabling motion 2009/10-23 temporarily, please respond with > "agree". Those opposed, please respond with "disagree". > > > > > > Sherri Bradley > National Coordinator > USGenWeb Project > Information about the USGenWeb Project at<http://usgenweb.org> > http://usgenweb.org > Advisory Board Agenda<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php> > http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php > > > > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

SECRECY is the issue that is NOT acceptable, period. Hiding behind veil of confidentality is not an acceptable method, period. The insistence on it and the original intent backfired. David On 4/27/2010 11:59 AM, Sherri wrote: > David, > > Your challenge that the action on the grievance decision must be ratified is > without merit. The reference that you're quoting from Sturgis on pages > 37-38 specifically refers to actions that were taken in emergency conditions > or that were taken in the absence of a quorum. Neither of these conditions > existed for the decision on the grievance appeals that were decided upon. > > Per Section VIII of the Special Rules at > http://usgenweb.org/volunteers/special-rules.shtml, personnel matters and > matters relating to grievances are considered highly sensitive and all > discussions relating to them are held on the BOARD-EXEC mail list. Votes > conducted in the closed session will be publically announced, which is the > piece that I failed to include in the announcement, although that omission, > in and of itself, does not void the action taken. For the record, Tina > Vickery, who handled the appeals will be posting the voting results of each > appeal. The disciplinary hearing that Tina is also handling is continuing. > > As a reminder, in the future, a challenge to ratify a vote cannot interrupt > a speaker, requires a second and does not take precedence over any other > motions. > > > Sherri Bradley > National Coordinator > USGenWeb Project > Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org > Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of W David Samuelsen > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 12:01 PM > To: [email protected]; Sherri; Tina Vickery; Cyndie Enfinger; Dale Grimm; > DC& Alice Allen; Pauli Smith; Colleen Pustola; [email protected]; Les > Shockley; [email protected]; Denise Wells; Larry Flesher; > [email protected]; Linda Lewis > Subject: [BOARD] Challenge to Grievance Decisions made in Board-Exec > > Sturgis page 37-38 > > Ratify the actions. > > couple it with this bylaw > > VIII. Advisory Board Procedures > D. Voting records of the Advisory Board membership shall be posted publicly. > > Therefore the Grievance decisions made in the Board-Exec (in secret) > posted against FLGenWeb (no secret at all) are in direct violations of > the Bylaws and Sturgis. > > W. David Samuelsen > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

In this paragraph from the mockup: 6 - When the team is seated, the parties shall be so advised by the Mediator. Everyone will be reminded that the grievance confidentiality extends to all parties (including the mediators, arbitrators and GC members) from the time the grievance process begins and that failure to abide by the confidentiality of the grievance process is grounds to automatically and immediately lose the grievance. The parties shall have seventy-two (72) hours to submit to the Mediator a written statement of their position on the issues of the dispute. The mediator shall provide the position statements to the team members for their review. The second sentence seems to be incomplete. Failure to maintain confidentiality "by the parties" is grounds to lose, etc., but a similiar failure "by the mediators, arbitrators, and GC members" should not be grounds to lose, but should result in some penalty to the individual failing. I believe another sentence is required to explain the penalty for failure "by the mediators, arbitrators, and GC members". Larry Flesher SWSC SC Rep ----- Original Message ---- From: Sherri <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 12:54:48 PM Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 In the interest of letting everyone see what's been suggested I've put up a mockup of the changes to the rules.  Maybe this will allow us to see more clearly the suggested changes.  The mockup is at http://kykinfolk.com/temp/amended-standard-rules-4-27.htm - does this help? Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 OK, can we please have those that have issues with this motion speak up with exactly what you are having issues with and suggest wording changes? I've also received a few of comments from others that you may want to consider since we're reworking this anyway.  First, from the Grievance Committee, the timing for filing a grievance is different for different situations.  The suggestion is to change it to a straight 14 days to file from the incident occurred or was discovered or someone is terminated from the Project.  (This suggestion is because the stated time frame for filing a grievance can be subject to interpretation if the person is removed from a project but is still a member of USGenWeb through another project.) Second, a time limit for filing an appeal should be stated.  The suggestion is 10-14 days for that, too (so that we can actually close all of the loopholes and have complete closure on the issue).  A limit to the number of times an appeal can be filed should also be added. Third, and we've all heard this from more than a few members, is the suggestion that once the grievance process is complete (including the possibility of filing an appeal), that at least basic information about the grievance should be released.  The suggested info to be made public would be the names of the parties involved, whatever the reason the grievance was filed and the resolution of the grievance and any appeals. If you don't want to include these things, just let me know and we'll leave them on the agenda as a separate item. So, can you please speak up so that we can keep this moving? Thanks, Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:10 PM To: [email protected]sweb.com Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 With 12 members voting, the motion to table motion 2009/10-23 fails. Those voting to table the motion: Alice Allen, Colleen Pustola, Linda Lewis and W. David Samuelsen Those voting against tabling the motion: Ann Allen Geoghegan, Dale Grimm, Denise Wells, Jeff Kemp, Larry Flesher, Les Shockey, Pauli Smith and Tina Vickery Those not voting: Cyndie Enfinger Discussion will continue on motion 2009/10-23.  Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BOARD] Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 A motion to table motion 2009/10-23 has been made by David Samuelsen and seconded by Alice Allen.  Those in favor of tabling motion 2009/10-23 temporarily, please respond with "agree".  Those opposed, please respond with "disagree". 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Sturgis page 37-38 Ratify the actions. couple it with this bylaw VIII. Advisory Board Procedures D. Voting records of the Advisory Board membership shall be posted publicly. Therefore the Grievance decisions made in the Board-Exec (in secret) posted against FLGenWeb (no secret at all) are in direct violations of the Bylaws and Sturgis. W. David Samuelsen

My biggest reason to vote for tabling this for now is exactly what Annie brings up--the EC item on the agenda. The GC item is complicated, we've been dealing with it for a long time in one way or another. I think we need to put it aside to work on more pressing things. While this is *pressing* in its own right, I can see us still dealing with it right up to election time with no movement on the EC stuff. Alice *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 4/27/2010 at 6:44 AM [email protected] wrote: >I would like to see all of it done at once. And we need to get on with it >so we can move to the EC item on the agenda - there is an election very >soon. > >AnnieG > >On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 5:07 AM, Sherri <[email protected]> wrote: > >> OK, can we please have those that have issues with this motion speak up >> with >> exactly what you are having issues with and suggest wording changes? >> >> I've also received a few of comments from others that you may want to >> consider since we're reworking this anyway. First, from the Grievance >> Committee, the timing for filing a grievance is different for different >> situations. The suggestion is to change it to a straight 14 days to file >> from the incident occurred or was discovered or someone is terminated >from >> the Project. (This suggestion is because the stated time frame for >filing >> a >> grievance can be subject to interpretation if the person is removed from >a >> project but is still a member of USGenWeb through another project.) >> >> Second, a time limit for filing an appeal should be stated. The >suggestion >> is 10-14 days for that, too (so that we can actually close all of the >> loopholes and have complete closure on the issue). A limit to the number >> of >> times an appeal can be filed should also be added. >> >> Third, and we've all heard this from more than a few members, is the >> suggestion that once the grievance process is complete (including the >> possibility of filing an appeal), that at least basic information about >the >> grievance should be released. The suggested info to be made public would >> be >> the names of the parties involved, whatever the reason the grievance was >> filed and the resolution of the grievance and any appeals. >> >> If you don't want to include these things, just let me know and we'll >leave >> them on the agenda as a separate item. >> >> So, can you please speak up so that we can keep this moving? >> >> Thanks, >> Sherri >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Sherri >> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:10 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 >> >> With 12 members voting, the motion to table motion 2009/10-23 fails. >> >> Those voting to table the motion: Alice Allen, Colleen Pustola, Linda >Lewis >> and W. David Samuelsen >> >> Those voting against tabling the motion: Ann Allen Geoghegan, Dale Grimm, >> Denise Wells, Jeff Kemp, Larry Flesher, Les Shockey, Pauli Smith and Tina >> Vickery >> >> Those not voting: Cyndie Enfinger >> >> Discussion will continue on motion 2009/10-23. >> >> >> Sherri Bradley >> National Coordinator >> USGenWeb Project >> Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org >> Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Sherri >> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:35 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [BOARD] Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 >> >> A motion to table motion 2009/10-23 has been made by David Samuelsen and >> seconded by Alice Allen. >> >> >> >> Those in favor of tabling motion 2009/10-23 temporarily, please respond >> with >> "agree". Those opposed, please respond with "disagree". >> >> >> >> >> >> Sherri Bradley >> National Coordinator >> USGenWeb Project >> Information about the USGenWeb Project at <http://usgenweb.org> >> http://usgenweb.org >> Advisory Board Agenda <http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php> >> http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php >> >> >> >> >> >> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message

I would like to see all of it done at once. And we need to get on with it so we can move to the EC item on the agenda - there is an election very soon. AnnieG On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 5:07 AM, Sherri <[email protected]> wrote: > OK, can we please have those that have issues with this motion speak up > with > exactly what you are having issues with and suggest wording changes? > > I've also received a few of comments from others that you may want to > consider since we're reworking this anyway. First, from the Grievance > Committee, the timing for filing a grievance is different for different > situations. The suggestion is to change it to a straight 14 days to file > from the incident occurred or was discovered or someone is terminated from > the Project. (This suggestion is because the stated time frame for filing > a > grievance can be subject to interpretation if the person is removed from a > project but is still a member of USGenWeb through another project.) > > Second, a time limit for filing an appeal should be stated. The suggestion > is 10-14 days for that, too (so that we can actually close all of the > loopholes and have complete closure on the issue). A limit to the number > of > times an appeal can be filed should also be added. > > Third, and we've all heard this from more than a few members, is the > suggestion that once the grievance process is complete (including the > possibility of filing an appeal), that at least basic information about the > grievance should be released. The suggested info to be made public would > be > the names of the parties involved, whatever the reason the grievance was > filed and the resolution of the grievance and any appeals. > > If you don't want to include these things, just let me know and we'll leave > them on the agenda as a separate item. > > So, can you please speak up so that we can keep this moving? > > Thanks, > Sherri > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Sherri > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:10 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 > > With 12 members voting, the motion to table motion 2009/10-23 fails. > > Those voting to table the motion: Alice Allen, Colleen Pustola, Linda Lewis > and W. David Samuelsen > > Those voting against tabling the motion: Ann Allen Geoghegan, Dale Grimm, > Denise Wells, Jeff Kemp, Larry Flesher, Les Shockey, Pauli Smith and Tina > Vickery > > Those not voting: Cyndie Enfinger > > Discussion will continue on motion 2009/10-23. > > > Sherri Bradley > National Coordinator > USGenWeb Project > Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org > Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Sherri > Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:35 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [BOARD] Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 > > A motion to table motion 2009/10-23 has been made by David Samuelsen and > seconded by Alice Allen. > > > > Those in favor of tabling motion 2009/10-23 temporarily, please respond > with > "agree". Those opposed, please respond with "disagree". > > > > > > Sherri Bradley > National Coordinator > USGenWeb Project > Information about the USGenWeb Project at <http://usgenweb.org> > http://usgenweb.org > Advisory Board Agenda <http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php> > http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php > > > > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

OK, can we please have those that have issues with this motion speak up with exactly what you are having issues with and suggest wording changes? I've also received a few of comments from others that you may want to consider since we're reworking this anyway. First, from the Grievance Committee, the timing for filing a grievance is different for different situations. The suggestion is to change it to a straight 14 days to file from the incident occurred or was discovered or someone is terminated from the Project. (This suggestion is because the stated time frame for filing a grievance can be subject to interpretation if the person is removed from a project but is still a member of USGenWeb through another project.) Second, a time limit for filing an appeal should be stated. The suggestion is 10-14 days for that, too (so that we can actually close all of the loopholes and have complete closure on the issue). A limit to the number of times an appeal can be filed should also be added. Third, and we've all heard this from more than a few members, is the suggestion that once the grievance process is complete (including the possibility of filing an appeal), that at least basic information about the grievance should be released. The suggested info to be made public would be the names of the parties involved, whatever the reason the grievance was filed and the resolution of the grievance and any appeals. If you don't want to include these things, just let me know and we'll leave them on the agenda as a separate item. So, can you please speak up so that we can keep this moving? Thanks, Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] RESULTS: Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 With 12 members voting, the motion to table motion 2009/10-23 fails. Those voting to table the motion: Alice Allen, Colleen Pustola, Linda Lewis and W. David Samuelsen Those voting against tabling the motion: Ann Allen Geoghegan, Dale Grimm, Denise Wells, Jeff Kemp, Larry Flesher, Les Shockey, Pauli Smith and Tina Vickery Those not voting: Cyndie Enfinger Discussion will continue on motion 2009/10-23. Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sherri Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 6:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BOARD] Move to Table Motion 2009/10-23 A motion to table motion 2009/10-23 has been made by David Samuelsen and seconded by Alice Allen. Those in favor of tabling motion 2009/10-23 temporarily, please respond with "agree". Those opposed, please respond with "disagree". Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at <http://usgenweb.org> http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda <http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php> http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message