Yes. Tina Vickery Representative at Large ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherri " <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 11:09 AM Subject: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-28 Withdrawal of Motion 2009/10-27 > Moved by Dale Grimm and seconded by Tina Vickery and dated 5 June 2010, > the > motion reads: "I move that the motion on the floor (2009/10-27) be > withdrawn." > > If you agree that the motion should be withdrawn, please respond with > "yes" > or "yea". If you disagree with the withdrawal of the motion, please > respond > with "no" or "nay". > > > Sherri Bradley > National Coordinator > USGenWeb Project > Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org > Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php > > > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

David, I never got your original email. Maybe it will eventually show up, but as of 11:47 am Mountain time, on June 5, it still has not arrived in my email box. So, while you may of sent it, once it is out in cyberspace, it is in the hands - and the whims - of the gods. I would have thought that you would have at least asked me if I had received it before demanding an apology. Please, next time ask before assuming. Pauli ----- Original Message ----- From: W David Samuelsen<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> ; Sherri<mailto:[email protected]> ; Tina Vickery<mailto:[email protected]> ; Cyndie Enfinger<mailto:[email protected]> ; Dale Grimm<mailto:[email protected]> ; DC & Alice Allen<mailto:[email protected]> ; Pauli Smith<mailto:[email protected]> ; Bill<mailto:[email protected]> ; Colleen Pustola<mailto:[email protected]> ; 'AnnieG'<mailto:[email protected]> ; Les Shockey<mailto:[email protected]> ; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> ; Denise Wells<mailto:[email protected]> ; Larry Flesher<mailto:[email protected]> ; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> ; Linda Lewis<mailto:[email protected]> ; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> ; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> ; USGenWeb-NE<mailto:[email protected]> ; USGenWeb-NW<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-28 Withdrawal of Motion 2009/10-27 Sherri, No. You can not act on a motion to withdraw a non-existent motion. I meant to send to every one on the board with this message to withdraw below. Sherri sat on it and is still sitting on it. You owe everybody big apology, for sitting on it. (Pauli, you too since you already received it and did not try to stop a motion to withdraw a non-existent motion.) Here is the message sent yesterday, showing it was already withdrawn. David Samuelsen -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Withdrawal of Motion for clarification Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 13:27:37 -0600 From: W David Samuelsen <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>, Sherri <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>, Pauli Smith <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>, Linda Lewis <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> I hereby withdraw the motion for clarifying the motion itself. With reservations it be returned to the floor without delay upon completion of another motion dealing with the uproar over Guidelines. W. David Samuelsen On 6/5/2010 9:09 AM, Sherri wrote: > Moved by Dale Grimm and seconded by Tina Vickery and dated 5 June 2010, the > motion reads: "I move that the motion on the floor (2009/10-27) be > withdrawn." > > If you agree that the motion should be withdrawn, please respond with "yes" > or "yea". If you disagree with the withdrawal of the motion, please respond > with "no" or "nay". > > > Sherri Bradley > National Coordinator > USGenWeb Project > Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org<http://usgenweb.org/> > Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php> > > > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Bill, The motion is at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/BOARD/2010-06/1275478243 and all discussion can be followed from there, at least what occurred on BOARD. Sherri -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 12:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-28 Withdrawal of Motion 2009/10-27 'siyo, May I please have a copy of the motion being voted on for withdrawal. I do not find this motion [2009/10-27], pending or otherwise, on USGWP pages. Thank you. Sgi, ' Bill NWPL SC Rep -=- Sherri wrote: > Moved by Dale Grimm and seconded by Tina Vickery and dated 5 June 2010, the > motion reads: "I move that the motion on the floor (2009/10-27) be > withdrawn." > > If you agree that the motion should be withdrawn, please respond with "yes" > or "yea". If you disagree with the withdrawal of the motion, please respond > with "no" or "nay". > > > Sherri Bradley > National Coordinator > USGenWeb Project > Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org > Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php > > > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not first time I didn't get any from the Board. This is 2nd time in last 2 weeks. first time the motion 2009/10-27 made to the Board and I never received notice until a subscriber notified me. Found it was already on the board by checking the archived Board message site. First time I see any action on motion to withdraw is this: -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-28 Withdrawal of Motion 2009/10-27 Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 11:09:55 -0400 From: Sherri <usgenwebnc[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: <[email protected]> Moved by Dale Grimm and seconded by Tina Vickery and dated 5 June 2010, the motion reads: "I move that the motion on the floor (2009/10-27) be withdrawn." If you agree that the motion should be withdrawn, please respond with "yes" or "yea". If you disagree with the withdrawal of the motion, please respond with "no" or "nay". Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php David Samuelsen On 6/5/2010 11:23 AM, AnnieG wrote: > David, > Did you not see Sherri's post about 2 hours ago that she was having e-mail > problems?

'siyo, May I please have a copy of the motion being voted on for withdrawal. I do not find this motion [2009/10-27], pending or otherwise, on USGWP pages. Thank you. Sgi, ' Bill NWPL SC Rep -=- Sherri wrote: > Moved by Dale Grimm and seconded by Tina Vickery and dated 5 June 2010, the > motion reads: "I move that the motion on the floor (2009/10-27) be > withdrawn." > > If you agree that the motion should be withdrawn, please respond with "yes" > or "yea". If you disagree with the withdrawal of the motion, please respond > with "no" or "nay". > > > Sherri Bradley > National Coordinator > USGenWeb Project > Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org > Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php > > > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Yes Dale > Moved by Dale Grimm and seconded by Tina Vickery and dated 5 June 2010, > the > motion reads: "I move that the motion on the floor (2009/10-27) be > withdrawn." > > If you agree that the motion should be withdrawn, please respond with > "yes" > or "yea". If you disagree with the withdrawal of the motion, please > respond > with "no" or "nay". > > > Sherri Bradley > National Coordinator > USGenWeb Project > Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org > Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php > > > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Moved by Dale Grimm and seconded by Tina Vickery and dated 5 June 2010, the motion reads: "I move that the motion on the floor (2009/10-27) be withdrawn." If you agree that the motion should be withdrawn, please respond with "yes" or "yea". If you disagree with the withdrawal of the motion, please respond with "no" or "nay". Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php

Folks, please bear with me. I'm having issues with my computer - it's decided it doesn't have a hard drive (go figure - it's only about 3 months old). I'm working on trying to resurrect it today, but with it down, I don't have access to all of my email accounts. I'm hoping I'll manage to revive it by replacing a cable; if not, I'm hoping the computer shop can at least recover all of the data on it - and that will remain to be seen for at least a few days. Sherri

You can NOT vote on a motion that does not exist. Here is why. Sherri KNEW! Here is the message. She sat on it. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Withdrawal of Motion for clarification Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 13:27:37 -0600 From: W David Samuelsen <[email protected]> To: [email protected], Sherri <[email protected]>, Pauli Smith <[email protected]>, Linda Lewis <[email protected]> I hereby withdraw the motion for clarifying the motion itself. With reservations it be returned to the floor without delay upon completion of another motion dealing with the uproar over Guidelines. W. David Samuelsen

I will second this. Tina Vickery Representative at Large ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Grimm" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 8:08 AM Subject: [BOARD] Motion To Withdraw > (This was sent last night, but I might have sent it from the wrong e-mail > address.) > > I move that the motion on the floor be withdrawn. > > > FYI - According to Sturgis, this would qualify as an incidental motion > that > does not require a second (but it would be advisable) and can be made > while > a main motion is on the floor. Motions to withdraw are not debatable and > a > vote can be called immediately. (Pages 24-26) > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Yes Ann Allen Geoghegan NWPL CC Rep -------Original Message------- From: Sherri Date: 6/5/2010 10:09:59 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-28 Withdrawal of Motion 2009/10-27 Moved by Dale Grimm and seconded by Tina Vickery and dated 5 June 2010, the Motion reads: "I move that the motion on the floor (2009/10-27) be Withdrawn." If you agree that the motion should be withdrawn, please respond with "yes" Or "yea". If you disagree with the withdrawal of the motion, please respond With "no" or "nay". Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

yes Pauli Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: Sherri <mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 9:09 AM Subject: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-28 Withdrawal of Motion 2009/10-27 Moved by Dale Grimm and seconded by Tina Vickery and dated 5 June 2010, the motion reads: "I move that the motion on the floor (2009/10-27) be withdrawn." If you agree that the motion should be withdrawn, please respond with "yes" or "yea". If you disagree with the withdrawal of the motion, please respond with "no" or "nay". Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org<http://usgenweb.org/> Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes LFlesher Sent from my iPhone On Jun 5, 2010, at 8:09 AM, "Sherri " <[email protected]> wrote: Moved by Dale Grimm and seconded by Tina Vickery and dated 5 June 2010, the motion reads: "I move that the motion on the floor (2009/10-27) be withdrawn." If you agree that the motion should be withdrawn, please respond with "yes" or "yea". If you disagree with the withdrawal of the motion, please respond with "no" or "nay". Sherri Bradley National Coordinator USGenWeb Project Information about the USGenWeb Project at http://usgenweb.org Advisory Board Agenda http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.php USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Second LFlesher Sent from my iPhone On Jun 5, 2010, at 5:08 AM, "Dale Grimm" <[email protected]> wrote: (This was sent last night, but I might have sent it from the wrong e-mail address.) I move that the motion on the floor be withdrawn. FYI - According to Sturgis, this would qualify as an incidental motion that does not require a second (but it would be advisable) and can be made while a main motion is on the floor. Motions to withdraw are not debatable and a vote can be called immediately. (Pages 24-26) USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

(This was sent last night, but I might have sent it from the wrong e-mail address.) I move that the motion on the floor be withdrawn. FYI - According to Sturgis, this would qualify as an incidental motion that does not require a second (but it would be advisable) and can be made while a main motion is on the floor. Motions to withdraw are not debatable and a vote can be called immediately. (Pages 24-26)

under parliamentary rules, I can not amend my own motion at all once seconded. And since Linda offered to withdraw her second if I would do, so soon after I asked you. I withdrew the motion and posted new motion concerning the Guidelines document. Sherri has YET to allow it. You have a copy of the motion. Others are irked that Sherri is holding back. They know because I informed them of the fact. David On 6/4/2010 6:05 PM, Pauli Smith wrote: > Hi David, > > I'm still trying to catch up on all the emails that came today while I was at work. Thank you for asking, but I feel that since you made the original motion, you should be the one with the privilege of amending it. I think you should have a better idea now of what the problem with the initial one was, and that you also have a better handle on what it is that your original intention was. > > Thanks for asking, > Pauli > ----- Original Message ----- > From: W David Samuelsen<mailto:[email protected]> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:40 PM > Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That Serve on the Grievance Committee > > > Pauli, > > I invite you to amend the motion to clarify the intent is any list > administered or responsible for where non-AB is an admin/moderator. > > I know the standing rules already prevent anyone who has been on the AB > from serving in the GC for 3 years, so this part is safe. > > It's the appointment of the non-AB members as listadmin/moderator of the > lists the AB is responsible for where the general membership can post > and receive replies, as well as discuss anything goes. This is an area > not covered by standing rules. > > David > > David > > On 6/3/2010 6:14 PM, Pauli Smith wrote: > > Actually David, for me, your motion is not all that clear in the way that it is written. I can see why there is some confusion as to what lists it is referring to. When I read it, it appears to say that anyone serving on the Grievance Committee, who also moderate a list have to be dismissed as a moderator of said list. You do specify any usgenweb lists, including usgenweb-discuss, but many people can and apparently are, interpreting that to mean any list that is connected in any way to the usgenweb, including the state lists run by SC's. > > > > Perhaps the motion needs to be slightly rewritten so it is clearer as to what lists are included and what lists are not. right now, it says all lists, which is way too open to misinterpretation. Perhaps it would better read as usgenweb lists controlled or maintained under the AB, such as usgenweb-discuss, uesgenweb-se, yadda, yadda, yadda. > > > > > >>> "I move all moderators of any usgenweb lists including usgenweb-discuss be dismissed from such positions if they are currently serving in the Grievance Committee as member or as mediator or arbitrator effectively immediately.>> > > > > Pauli Smith > > NENC CC Rep. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: W David Samuelsen<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> > > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:06 AM > > Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That Serve on the Grievance Committee > > > > > > the motion does NOT apply to the state coordinators. > > > > You're confusing the motion with the state coordinators. > > > > The motion is very clear about the lists: usgenweb-discuss, usgenweb-se, > > usgenweb-sw, usgenweb-nw, usgenweb-ne and any other lists controlled or > > maintained under direction of the AB. > > > > David Samuelsen > > > > On 6/3/2010 10:55 AM, Vickery, Tina wrote: > > > David, > > > > > > The State Coordinators are the moderators of the state's administrative > > > list(s). The Standard Rules (Section V, subsection A) require that > > > there MUST be a state coordinator on the committee (it doesn't state SC > > > *or* ASC, it states SC). The wording of this motion causes a conflict > > > with that Standard Rule. > > > > > > http://usgenweb.org/volunteers/standard-rules.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/volunteers/standard-rules.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/volunteers/standard-rules.shtml%3Chttp://usgenweb.org/volunteers/standard-rules.shtml>> > > > > > > Tina > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "W David Samuelsen"<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > > > To:<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:49 PM > > > Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That Serve > > > on the Grievance Committee > > > > > > > > >> Tina, > > >> > > >> I made no motion applying to any other committees. > > >> > > >> The motion is very clear specifically applied to the Grievance Committee > > >> and NO other committees. > > >> > > >> I said nothing about regional lists (no mention of it in the motion) > > >> since the region lists are administered by the AB members. > > >> > > >> Currently there are no standing rules who may be admins/moderators of > > >> lists. > > >> > > >> David > > >> > > >> On 6/2/2010 7:40 PM, Vickery, Tina wrote: > > >>> David, > > >>> > > >>> I assume your *global* concern is that USGenWeb list administrators > > >>> cannot > > >>> serve in any capacity on Standing Committee or Special Committees? > > >>> > > >>> Regional mail lists are historically maintained by Advisory Board members > > >>> of > > >>> the applicable Region. SC's administer their XXGenWeb Project lists. The > > >>> NC > > >>> administers National lists and -Discuss administrators are appointed > > >>> historically with a general consent motion of the Advisory Board at the > > >>> beginning of each term. > > >>> > > >>> If your premise and intent with this motion is indeed that no list > > >>> administrators can serve on a Standing or Special Committees in any > > >>> capacity > > >>> within the USGenWeb Project, I will surely have, as I am sure the Project > > >>> will have discussion, as you have eliminated many, many USGenWeb Project > > >>> volunteers from ever serving on a Standing or Special Committee with this > > >>> motion. > > >>> > > >>> I still don't understand, and I don't want to assume. Can you explain > > >>> further? > > >>> > > >>> Tina > > >>> > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> From: "W David Samuelsen"<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > > >>> To:<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:04 PM > > >>> Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That > > >>> Serve > > >>> onthe Grievance Committee > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> All of you have a copy of the message now which prompted the motion to > > >>>> preempt any chance of tainting the Grievance Committee now and in the > > >>>> future. > > >>>> > > >>>> David Samuelsen > > >>>> > > >>>> On 6/2/2010 8:45 AM, Pauli Smith wrote: > > >>>>> I'm having trouble understanding the need for this motion. Did > > >>>>> something > > >>>>> happen? David, can you explain to me what is behind it and why you feel > > >>>>> a > > >>>>> need for it? I'm willing to look at both sides on this, I just need to > > >>>>> understand the why. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Thanks, > > >>>>> Pauli > > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>>>> From: Sherri<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > > >>>>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:30 AM > > >>>>> Subject: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That > > >>>>> Serve onthe Grievance Committee > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Moved by W. David Samuelsen and seconded by Linda Lewis, motion > > >>>>> 2009/10-27 > > >>>>> reads: > > >>>> > > >>>>> "I move all moderators of any usgenweb lists including > > >>>>> usgenweb-discuss be > > >>>>> dismissed from such positions if they are currently serving in the > > >>>>> Grievance > > >>>>> Committee as member or as mediator or arbitrator effectively > > >>>>> immediately. > > >>>> > > >>>>> That this rule be incorporated into the standing rules for the GC." > > >>>> > > >>>>> Discussion is open. If you have no discussion, please reply with > > >>>>> "No > > >>>>> discussion". > > >>>> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml%3Chttp://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml>> > > >>>> ------------------------------- > > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > >>>> quotes > > >>>> in the subject and the body of the message > > >>> > > >>> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml%3Chttp://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml>> > > >>> ------------------------------- > > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > >>> in the subject and the body of the message > > >>> > > >>> > > >> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml%3Chttp://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml>> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml%3Chttp://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml>> > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml%3Chttp://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml>> > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml> > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi David, I'm still trying to catch up on all the emails that came today while I was at work. Thank you for asking, but I feel that since you made the original motion, you should be the one with the privilege of amending it. I think you should have a better idea now of what the problem with the initial one was, and that you also have a better handle on what it is that your original intention was. Thanks for asking, Pauli ----- Original Message ----- From: W David Samuelsen<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That Serve on the Grievance Committee Pauli, I invite you to amend the motion to clarify the intent is any list administered or responsible for where non-AB is an admin/moderator. I know the standing rules already prevent anyone who has been on the AB from serving in the GC for 3 years, so this part is safe. It's the appointment of the non-AB members as listadmin/moderator of the lists the AB is responsible for where the general membership can post and receive replies, as well as discuss anything goes. This is an area not covered by standing rules. David David On 6/3/2010 6:14 PM, Pauli Smith wrote: > Actually David, for me, your motion is not all that clear in the way that it is written. I can see why there is some confusion as to what lists it is referring to. When I read it, it appears to say that anyone serving on the Grievance Committee, who also moderate a list have to be dismissed as a moderator of said list. You do specify any usgenweb lists, including usgenweb-discuss, but many people can and apparently are, interpreting that to mean any list that is connected in any way to the usgenweb, including the state lists run by SC's. > > Perhaps the motion needs to be slightly rewritten so it is clearer as to what lists are included and what lists are not. right now, it says all lists, which is way too open to misinterpretation. Perhaps it would better read as usgenweb lists controlled or maintained under the AB, such as usgenweb-discuss, uesgenweb-se, yadda, yadda, yadda. > > >>> "I move all moderators of any usgenweb lists including usgenweb-discuss be dismissed from such positions if they are currently serving in the Grievance Committee as member or as mediator or arbitrator effectively immediately.>> > > Pauli Smith > NENC CC Rep. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: W David Samuelsen<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:06 AM > Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That Serve on the Grievance Committee > > > the motion does NOT apply to the state coordinators. > > You're confusing the motion with the state coordinators. > > The motion is very clear about the lists: usgenweb-discuss, usgenweb-se, > usgenweb-sw, usgenweb-nw, usgenweb-ne and any other lists controlled or > maintained under direction of the AB. > > David Samuelsen > > On 6/3/2010 10:55 AM, Vickery, Tina wrote: > > David, > > > > The State Coordinators are the moderators of the state's administrative > > list(s). The Standard Rules (Section V, subsection A) require that > > there MUST be a state coordinator on the committee (it doesn't state SC > > *or* ASC, it states SC). The wording of this motion causes a conflict > > with that Standard Rule. > > > > http://usgenweb.org/volunteers/standard-rules.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/volunteers/standard-rules.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/volunteers/standard-rules.shtml%3Chttp://usgenweb.org/volunteers/standard-rules.shtml>> > > > > Tina > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "W David Samuelsen"<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > > To:<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That Serve > > on the Grievance Committee > > > > > >> Tina, > >> > >> I made no motion applying to any other committees. > >> > >> The motion is very clear specifically applied to the Grievance Committee > >> and NO other committees. > >> > >> I said nothing about regional lists (no mention of it in the motion) > >> since the region lists are administered by the AB members. > >> > >> Currently there are no standing rules who may be admins/moderators of > >> lists. > >> > >> David > >> > >> On 6/2/2010 7:40 PM, Vickery, Tina wrote: > >>> David, > >>> > >>> I assume your *global* concern is that USGenWeb list administrators > >>> cannot > >>> serve in any capacity on Standing Committee or Special Committees? > >>> > >>> Regional mail lists are historically maintained by Advisory Board members > >>> of > >>> the applicable Region. SC's administer their XXGenWeb Project lists. The > >>> NC > >>> administers National lists and -Discuss administrators are appointed > >>> historically with a general consent motion of the Advisory Board at the > >>> beginning of each term. > >>> > >>> If your premise and intent with this motion is indeed that no list > >>> administrators can serve on a Standing or Special Committees in any > >>> capacity > >>> within the USGenWeb Project, I will surely have, as I am sure the Project > >>> will have discussion, as you have eliminated many, many USGenWeb Project > >>> volunteers from ever serving on a Standing or Special Committee with this > >>> motion. > >>> > >>> I still don't understand, and I don't want to assume. Can you explain > >>> further? > >>> > >>> Tina > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "W David Samuelsen"<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > >>> To:<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:04 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That > >>> Serve > >>> onthe Grievance Committee > >>> > >>> > >>>> All of you have a copy of the message now which prompted the motion to > >>>> preempt any chance of tainting the Grievance Committee now and in the > >>>> future. > >>>> > >>>> David Samuelsen > >>>> > >>>> On 6/2/2010 8:45 AM, Pauli Smith wrote: > >>>>> I'm having trouble understanding the need for this motion. Did > >>>>> something > >>>>> happen? David, can you explain to me what is behind it and why you feel > >>>>> a > >>>>> need for it? I'm willing to look at both sides on this, I just need to > >>>>> understand the why. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks, > >>>>> Pauli > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: Sherri<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > >>>>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>>> > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:30 AM > >>>>> Subject: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That > >>>>> Serve onthe Grievance Committee > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Moved by W. David Samuelsen and seconded by Linda Lewis, motion > >>>>> 2009/10-27 > >>>>> reads: > >>>> > >>>>> "I move all moderators of any usgenweb lists including > >>>>> usgenweb-discuss be > >>>>> dismissed from such positions if they are currently serving in the > >>>>> Grievance > >>>>> Committee as member or as mediator or arbitrator effectively > >>>>> immediately. > >>>> > >>>>> That this rule be incorporated into the standing rules for the GC." > >>>> > >>>>> Discussion is open. If you have no discussion, please reply with > >>>>> "No > >>>>> discussion". > >>>> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml%3Chttp://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml>> > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>>> quotes > >>>> in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml%3Chttp://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > >>> in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml%3Chttp://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml>> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml%3Chttp://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml>> > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml%3Chttp://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml>> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmailto:[email protected]>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I move we table the Guidelines Document until after September 1. W. David Samuelsen

I hereby withdraw the motion for clarifying the motion itself. With reservations it be returned to the floor without delay upon completion of another motion dealing with the uproar over Guidelines. W. David Samuelsen

If David wishes to withdraw his motion in favor of resubmitting it with the specific mail lists named and the conflict of interest it resolves noted, I will withdraw my second. Linda K. Lewis SWSC.CC -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pauli Smith Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 7:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That Serveon the Grievance Committee Actually David, for me, your motion is not all that clear in the way that it is written. I can see why there is some confusion as to what lists it is referring to. When I read it, it appears to say that anyone serving on the Grievance Committee, who also moderate a list have to be dismissed as a moderator of said list. You do specify any usgenweb lists, including usgenweb-discuss, but many people can and apparently are, interpreting that to mean any list that is connected in any way to the usgenweb, including the state lists run by SC's. Perhaps the motion needs to be slightly rewritten so it is clearer as to what lists are included and what lists are not. right now, it says all lists, which is way too open to misinterpretation. Perhaps it would better read as usgenweb lists controlled or maintained under the AB, such as usgenweb-discuss, uesgenweb-se, yadda, yadda, yadda. >>"I move all moderators of any usgenweb lists including >>usgenweb-discuss be dismissed from such positions if they are >>currently serving in the Grievance Committee as member or as mediator >>or arbitrator effectively immediately.>> Pauli Smith NENC CC Rep. ----- Original Message ----- From: W David Samuelsen<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That Serve on the Grievance Committee the motion does NOT apply to the state coordinators. You're confusing the motion with the state coordinators. The motion is very clear about the lists: usgenweb-discuss, usgenweb-se, usgenweb-sw, usgenweb-nw, usgenweb-ne and any other lists controlled or maintained under direction of the AB. David Samuelsen On 6/3/2010 10:55 AM, Vickery, Tina wrote: > David, > > The State Coordinators are the moderators of the state's administrative > list(s). The Standard Rules (Section V, subsection A) require that > there MUST be a state coordinator on the committee (it doesn't state SC > *or* ASC, it states SC). The wording of this motion causes a conflict > with that Standard Rule. > > http://usgenweb.org/volunteers/standard-rules.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/volu nteers/standard-rules.shtml> > > Tina > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "W David Samuelsen"<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > To:<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:49 PM > Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That Serve > on the Grievance Committee > > >> Tina, >> >> I made no motion applying to any other committees. >> >> The motion is very clear specifically applied to the Grievance Committee >> and NO other committees. >> >> I said nothing about regional lists (no mention of it in the motion) >> since the region lists are administered by the AB members. >> >> Currently there are no standing rules who may be admins/moderators of >> lists. >> >> David >> >> On 6/2/2010 7:40 PM, Vickery, Tina wrote: >>> David, >>> >>> I assume your *global* concern is that USGenWeb list administrators >>> cannot >>> serve in any capacity on Standing Committee or Special Committees? >>> >>> Regional mail lists are historically maintained by Advisory Board members >>> of >>> the applicable Region. SC's administer their XXGenWeb Project lists. The >>> NC >>> administers National lists and -Discuss administrators are appointed >>> historically with a general consent motion of the Advisory Board at the >>> beginning of each term. >>> >>> If your premise and intent with this motion is indeed that no list >>> administrators can serve on a Standing or Special Committees in any >>> capacity >>> within the USGenWeb Project, I will surely have, as I am sure the Project >>> will have discussion, as you have eliminated many, many USGenWeb Project >>> volunteers from ever serving on a Standing or Special Committee with this >>> motion. >>> >>> I still don't understand, and I don't want to assume. Can you explain >>> further? >>> >>> Tina >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "W David Samuelsen"<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>> To:<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:04 PM >>> Subject: Re: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That >>> Serve >>> onthe Grievance Committee >>> >>> >>>> All of you have a copy of the message now which prompted the motion to >>>> preempt any chance of tainting the Grievance Committee now and in the >>>> future. >>>> >>>> David Samuelsen >>>> >>>> On 6/2/2010 8:45 AM, Pauli Smith wrote: >>>>> I'm having trouble understanding the need for this motion. Did >>>>> something >>>>> happen? David, can you explain to me what is behind it and why you feel >>>>> a >>>>> need for it? I'm willing to look at both sides on this, I just need to >>>>> understand the why. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Pauli >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Sherri<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]%3Cmai lto:[email protected]>> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:30 AM >>>>> Subject: [BOARD] Motion 2009/10-27 Removal of List Moderators That >>>>> Serve onthe Grievance Committee >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Moved by W. David Samuelsen and seconded by Linda Lewis, motion >>>>> 2009/10-27 >>>>> reads: >>>> >>>>> "I move all moderators of any usgenweb lists including >>>>> usgenweb-discuss be >>>>> dismissed from such positions if they are currently serving in the >>>>> Grievance >>>>> Committee as member or as mediator or arbitrator effectively >>>>> immediately. >>>> >>>>> That this rule be incorporated into the standing rules for the GC." >>>> >>>>> Discussion is open. If you have no discussion, please reply with >>>>> "No >>>>> discussion". >>>> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml<http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message USGenWeb Advisory Board Agenda: http://usgenweb.org/agenda2.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message