Hi Angela, First let me thank you for your efforts in tracking down the Black etc variants in the 1881 census index. My disks arrived yesterday, so I may try and go through the Blackall Blackhall variants to see if any are 'strays' that I can recognise. I managed to get into the Society of Genelogists in London for an hour yesterday, and came across this entry in the Vicar General Marriage Licences. "August 2nd 1817. Charles Barwell of the parish of Witham in the county of Essex Batchelor, aged 21 years and upwards intends to intermarry with Mary Blaxall of the parish of St. James Westminster in the county of Middlesex spinster aged 21 years and upwards. Marriage to take place at St. James Westminster. Her the said Mary Blaxall has been in St. James Westminster for at least 4 weeks last past.[Sworn etc.]" Unfortunately they did not seem to have a copy of the St. James registers for me to check if there was any additional detail in the marriage entry (actual ages, Witnesses etc). But it would seem probable that this Mary could have been another child of James and Elizabeth. If she was 21+ in 1817 then she could have been born any time before 1796. I also don't know how close St. James Westminster is to St. Anne Soho. Anyway, if you could check the same sources that you did for Lucy Walford for a Mary Barwell, you may come up with a more exact birth-date / place. It seems a little unusual that the links between Westminster and Witham were kept so strong. One assumes the whole family moved to Witham around 1804 or a bit before, Lucy would have been 14 and this Mary perhaps a couple of years younger 12ish say. But maybe the girls did stay in London, with relatives perhaps ? It would be great to get their births, next time I'm in London I'll get back to the Westminster City Archives and have a look at St. James for them (don't know when though). Thats all for now. Carlton.