Hi Carlton ! Welcome back to the fold after your multitude of problems. I am responding via the List as I have info in which others may be interested. A slightly distant cousin Chris Miller has made contact and I have incorporated his findings into "My Paternal Line" on the "Snazzy List" page of my web-site to save re-typing them here. Briefly our Frederick who got done for £5 twice within a few months, not only did time twice in prison for theft, but also spent a period in the Plomesgate Workhouse at the same time as John & Maria Hart and their children. I find it uncomfortable to learn that an ancestor of mine was so stupid as to try stealing two geese and a gander at the same time ! Two birds I could understand - but three ??? The noise must have been terrible ! Chris reminded me of something that I think I knew from way back. A brother and sister married a sister and brother. His grandmother was sister to my grandfather. She married John Hughes and my grandfather married John's sister, Catherine Mary Ann. All the pieces gradually go together Regards to all Geoff Lewin