I visited my parents last weekend and my aunt dropped in. As you do we got around to talking about the family tree and I heard an interesting story about the last in the line of Walter Blaxalls. He was born Walter Thomas Blaxall in 1887 and died just before his first child, my maternal grandmother, was born in 1908. His death certificate, which I have somewhere but haven't been able to find yet, gave the cause of death as tuberculosis. However my aunt told me that he worked on the railways and he was black-legged. I asked what that means, never having heard the term before, and she said that in those days if there was a strike and a worker went against the strike they were lynched by their co-workers! So my great grandfather was murdered about a month before his daughter was born. My mum was as surprised as I was, as she had never heard that story either. My grandparents lived with my aunt for many years when my grandfather retired. So, although she was the youngest of 5 children she probably knows more stories than the rest of the family put together. I now wonder if there were newspaper reports about this, either the strike or his death. It looks like I have further research to do. Karen

Carlton Blaxill wrote: > I did actually look up your GGG-Grandfathers birth in > the Thetford registers a couple of years ago. It reads:- > > Thetford St. Cuthberts Baptisms 1836. > > "1836 March 16th Walter son of Mary Ann Blackall single woman > resident in St. Cuthberts." That is interesting indeed. > Now as to who Mary Ann was I believe I came to the conclusion > that there were several possibilities, and that without some > additional info. (e.g. later marriage, or age at death > etc.) Well, the fact that Walter was not living with her at age 15 in 1851 (according to the census) could be an indicator that she had died by then, or on the other hand maybe not. > it would be difficult to place her with any certainty. Now that I > know there is an interested re-searcher, I'll think on this one again. Thanks it would be much appreciated. A quick look at www.familysearch.org revealed the most likely candidate by area (although the age is rather young considering Walter was born in 1836) to be one of the following, which appear to be the same person as they both have the same parents: Mary Ann BLAXALL - International Genealogical Index/BI Gender: F Christening: 19 Jan 1823 Worlingworth, Suffolk, England Mary Anne BLAXALL - International Genealogical Index/BI Gender: F Christening: 21 Nov 1824 Worlingworth, Suffolk, England But there are other possibilities with the surname spelt Blackhall or Blackalll from other counties. Karen

Hi Karen, Great to hear from another related Blaxall across the 'net. Thanks to Angela I believe you already have the info. from the 1881 and 1851 census. I did actually look up your GGG-Grandfathers birth in the Thetford registers a couple of years ago. It reads:- Thetford St. Cuthberts Baptisms 1836. "1836 March 16th Walter son of Mary Ann Blackall single woman resident in St. Cuthberts." Now as to who Mary Ann was I believe I came to the conclusion that there were several possibilities, and that without some additional info. (e.g. later marriage, or age at death etc.) it would be difficult to place her with any certainty. Now that I know there is an interested re-searcher, I'll think on this one again. Hope that helps. Regards. Carlton. On 4 Dec 00, at 2:03, Karen wrote: > Hi, > > I discovered this list thanks to Geoff Blaxall. I'm picking up > some Blaxall research that I began in 1992 from the part of my > family tree originating from my maternal grandmother. Having > moved since then I have been unable to locate the certificates > that I got back in 1992 but I have most of the information that > they contained in notes I made at the time. My grandmother's > father was the last in a line of 3 Walter Blaxalls and died just > before she was born in 1908. She was his first and only child. > > [3] Walter Thomas Blaxall 1887-1908 > [2] Walter James Willson Blaxall 1863-1929 > [1] Walter Blaxall -1922 > > All 3 lived in the London area. I have not been able to trace the > birth of [1], which may have been before PRO registration began, but > did discover that he was married in 1857 in Newton Abbot, Devon. Which > leads me to believe that his family may have been from Devon. His > first child, Walter James Willson was born in London in 1863 so he > must have moved to London after he was married. I did try an 1851 > census search on microfiche or film back in 1992 but never found > anything. > > Does anyone have any further information, ideas, suggestions on > how to find out more etc? > > Thanks in advance > > Karen West > >

Hi Karen Here is the 1851 for Walter sen. Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace William FLEMMING Head M 33 M Teadealer & Hawker ----DUF Sarah FLEMMING Wife M 46 F --- Thetford-NFK Thomas NORMAN (FLEMMING) SSon U 19 M Tailor Thetford-NFK Elizabeth NORMAN (FLEMMING) SDau U 17 F Assistant In Shop Thetford-NFK Walter BLAXALE Lodg U 15 M None Thetford-NFK John N. STEWARD Lodg - 4 M --- Poplar-MID Address: Kings Street, Thetford Census Place: Thetford St Cuthbert Thetford, Norfolk PRO Reference: HO/107/1832 Folio: 378 Page: 4 FHL Film: 0207487 Unfortunately he doesn't appear to have any immediate family at that point - although a listing as lodger can disguises the fact that the people you stayed with were related. I also looked for any other Blaxall ( plus variants) from Thetford but couldn't find any .. Anyway hope this helps Angela -----Original Message----- From: Karen [mailto:obsessions@ntlworld.com] Sent: 04 December 2000 18:29 To: BLAXALL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Blaxalls in London/Devon Angela wrote: > Here is the family you are looking for > > Dwelling: 13 Landseer Rd > Census Place: Islington, London, Middlesex, England > Source: FHL Film 1341060 PRO Ref RG11 > Piece 0278 Folio 4 Page > 2 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Walter BLAXALL M 45 M Thetford, Norfolk, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Law Stationer This is great, thank you so much Angela. > As you can see your first Blaxall was from Norfolk - I > have the 1851 census for Norfolk on CD - I'll do a look up for you to see > if he is there I look forward to finding out more, thanks again. This is all happening so quickly considering I've only resumed my research in the last couple of weeks. The Internet is truly a wonderful place. Karen

Angela wrote: > Here is the family you are looking for > > Dwelling: 13 Landseer Rd > Census Place: Islington, London, Middlesex, England > Source: FHL Film 1341060 PRO Ref RG11 > Piece 0278 Folio 4 Page > 2 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Walter BLAXALL M 45 M Thetford, Norfolk, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Law Stationer This is great, thank you so much Angela. > As you can see your first Blaxall was from Norfolk - I > have the 1851 census for Norfolk on CD - I'll do a look up for you to see > if he is there I look forward to finding out more, thanks again. This is all happening so quickly considering I've only resumed my research in the last couple of weeks. The Internet is truly a wonderful place. Karen

Hi Karen Here is the family you are looking for Dwelling: 13 Landseer Rd Census Place: Islington, London, Middlesex, England Source: FHL Film 1341060 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0278 Folio 4 Page 2 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Walter BLAXALL M 45 M Thetford, Norfolk, England Rel: Head Occ: Law Stationer Harriett BLAXALL M 41 F Norwood, Surrey, England Rel: Wife Walter Jas. Wilson BLAXALL U 18 M S Pancras, Middlesex, England Rel: Son Occ: Law Stationer Clerk Emily Eliz.Wilson BLAXALL U 14 F St Mary, Middlesex, England Rel: Daug Occ: Apprentice Dressmaker Lily Miriana BLAXALL U 6 F St Mary, Middlesex, England Rel: Daug Occ: Scholar Herbert Edwd. BLAXALL U 3 M St Marys, Middlesex, England Rel: Son As you can see your first Blaxall was from Norfolk - I have the 1851 census for Norfolk on CD - I'll do a look up for you to see if he is there I hope all is well with everyone in the group - I have been unable to do a lot of research - not had a good year but I am gradually getting back into things Got to dash to work Best wishes Angela -----Original Message----- From: Karen [mailto:obsessions@ntlworld.com] Sent: 04 December 2000 02:03 To: BLAXALL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Blaxalls in London/Devon Hi, I discovered this list thanks to Geoff Blaxall. I'm picking up some Blaxall research that I began in 1992 from the part of my family tree originating from my maternal grandmother. Having moved since then I have been unable to locate the certificates that I got back in 1992 but I have most of the information that they contained in notes I made at the time. My grandmother's father was the last in a line of 3 Walter Blaxalls and died just before she was born in 1908. She was his first and only child. [3] Walter Thomas Blaxall 1887-1908 [2] Walter James Willson Blaxall 1863-1929 [1] Walter Blaxall -1922 All 3 lived in the London area. I have not been able to trace the birth of [1], which may have been before PRO registration began, but did discover that he was married in 1857 in Newton Abbot, Devon. Which leads me to believe that his family may have been from Devon. His first child, Walter James Willson was born in London in 1863 so he must have moved to London after he was married. I did try an 1851 census search on microfiche or film back in 1992 but never found anything. Does anyone have any further information, ideas, suggestions on how to find out more etc? Thanks in advance Karen West

Hi, I discovered this list thanks to Geoff Blaxall. I'm picking up some Blaxall research that I began in 1992 from the part of my family tree originating from my maternal grandmother. Having moved since then I have been unable to locate the certificates that I got back in 1992 but I have most of the information that they contained in notes I made at the time. My grandmother's father was the last in a line of 3 Walter Blaxalls and died just before she was born in 1908. She was his first and only child. [3] Walter Thomas Blaxall 1887-1908 [2] Walter James Willson Blaxall 1863-1929 [1] Walter Blaxall -1922 All 3 lived in the London area. I have not been able to trace the birth of [1], which may have been before PRO registration began, but did discover that he was married in 1857 in Newton Abbot, Devon. Which leads me to believe that his family may have been from Devon. His first child, Walter James Willson was born in London in 1863 so he must have moved to London after he was married. I did try an 1851 census search on microfiche or film back in 1992 but never found anything. Does anyone have any further information, ideas, suggestions on how to find out more etc? Thanks in advance Karen West

Hi Debbi, Great to have picked up another Blaxall researcher on the list. I bet you made Angela's day when she knew you were that close to the Essex R.O. !! I guess she has filled you in with the possible link of James Blaxall to the line of Blaxall's at Letheringham and Marlesford, it would be a really great find if you manage to positively link the two. Regards. Carlton. On 22 Mar 00, at 23:30, Peter C Botham wrote: > Hello everyone! > > I have been researching my husband's family tree and have now got back > to Lucy Walford ( born Witham 1817) who was married to George Jubilee > Botham. > > Lucy's parents were William Walford (Born c 1779) and Lucy > BLAXALL(born c 1789, Middlesex). I have been in touch with Jenny > Jorgensen and Angela Ward, who are also descended from William and > Lucy, and have been given James BLAXALL and Elizabeth Cotton as Lucy > Blaxall's parents. > > I'm looking forward to finding links and hopefully sharing information > as my research progresses!! > > We live in Braintree, Essex, which is about 15 minutes drive from > Witham, so we havn't moved very far in the past 200 years!! > > Kind regards > > Debbi >

Hello everyone! I have been researching my husband's family tree and have now got back to Lucy Walford ( born Witham 1817) who was married to George Jubilee Botham. Lucy's parents were William Walford (Born c 1779) and Lucy BLAXALL(born c 1789, Middlesex). I have been in touch with Jenny Jorgensen and Angela Ward, who are also descended from William and Lucy, and have been given James BLAXALL and Elizabeth Cotton as Lucy Blaxall's parents. I'm looking forward to finding links and hopefully sharing information as my research progresses!! We live in Braintree, Essex, which is about 15 minutes drive from Witham, so we havn't moved very far in the past 200 years!! Kind regards Debbi

Hi folks Well I finally made it into Bath and took time out from my "retail therapy" to visit Bath Abbey to see if I could find our Bath surgeon. There was a very helpful lady who went and got the indexes out for me but alas no Blaxall entries for memorials. Very disappointing - I would have loved to find a marble tablet - oh well. By the way I know this isn't strictly Blaxall information but I think I have found some information on the IGI for James Blaxall's c.1765 (Red lion Witham publican) wife Elizabeth Cotton. They married at St.Anne Soho in 1791 and I have come across a christening for an Elizabeth Cotton September 13, 1765 St.Anne Soho Westminster parents given as Francis Cotton and Gulielmu. There is also a marriage - November 21, 1764 same place between Francis Cotton and Gulieline George. I am not sure just which of you are connected to my line so I thought best to post it here. Best wishes Angela

Hi to all Cousins, In my last e-mail (some time ago), regarding "Bermondsey Blaxalls", I listed Queen's Arms Court and Queen Ann's Court as separate addresses. This could be so, but it now occurs to me that these could be the same place but copied differently due to imperfect hearing on the part of the Registrar/Census taker(s), or bad transcription later down the line. Incidentally, when dealing with London addresses, it is worth bearing in mind the following quote that I found recently:- "In 1888, the General Post Office (GPO) and the London County Council (LCC) carried out a complete survey of all London streets, renaming some so as to eliminate duplication of street names and, where necessary, re-numbering streets so as to ensure that the lowest number in any street was nearest to the local Post Office." Although it says 'nearest Post Office', I believe it to mean 'nearest Postal Delivery Office', which, in most cases, but not necessarily so, was the nearest Post Office (with a counter). Geoff Lewin Blaxall

Hi to all on the list, This is a copy of a recent contact I had with a John Blaxall from Staffs. I am sure he is decended from the Frederick born 22 Mar 1842 son of Frederick and Mary Ann (Gillman). I believe he has already got in contact with some of you too. I think this makes his a second cousin once removed to Geoff Lewin. I am just about to send him a copy of the bigger Blaxall tree so he should be able to get his bearings with the family. Unfortunately he has very little in the way of past family information so if any of us have more info I'm sure he would be grateful. Hope you are all ok, must away as I want to see if I can see any of these meterorite things which are supposed to be out in force tonight. Regards. Carlton. ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: Carlton Blaxill <carlton@blax.demon.co.uk> To: "johnblaxall" <johnblaxall@netlineuk.net> Subject: Re: Blaxall Genealogy Date sent: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:58:42 -0000 Hello again John, Thanks for your note, I may be able to help a bit here. The following are all from a copy I have made (with lots of help from other Blaxall's !) of the index of births, marriages and deaths. Hope I'm on the right lines. I see your birth in Dec Qtr 1948, mothers maiden name MURRAY. I also see your fathers birth in Sep Qtr 1919 in the Kensington Reg. District. According to the index his mothers (your grandmothers) maiden name was BURNARD. Your father died Dec Qtr 1979 at Brent (not sure where Brent reg District is, do you) Now looking at the marriages, there is indeed a marriage of a Miss BURNARD in the Jun Qtr 1919 to Frederick BLAXALL in the Kensington registration district. So it would appear your grandfather would have been a Frederick which I guess is not surprising as both you and your father have carried on the name since ! Now if we were to find your grandfathers death it would give his age and hence year of birth. Unfortunately this is not quite so definitive. There is a Frederick W died dec qtr 1927 age 61 (hence born 1866) at Paddington reg district. This would mean he was about 54 when he married Miss BURNARD but as your note says he was probably married before so that may not be too improbable. There are some other Fredericks later but none of these seem to fit as well. I also have a reference to a Frederick married in Dec qtr 1885 at Kensington and also Frederick married in Sep Qtr 1892 at Lambeth so again these could be the previous marriages. With regard to your grandmother there was an Ada B died Mar Qtr 1955 age 82 at Harrow, I wonder if that could be her. Well if the above suppositions turn out to be correct then due to the various Census returns etc. I can certainly give you the details on your direct line back to the late 1590's early 1600's period. Thanks for the offer of the loan of that book, I'd love to have a look. My address is:- 5 Ludgate Causeway Eye Suffolk IP23 7NH Tel. 01379 870998 (Incidently you are most welcome to give me a call if you want any more info. to save on the typing, I'm always very pleased to here from any Blaxall's (in most evenings and weekends)). I like your story about your photograph at Blaxhall. It seems that about every member of the family stops by there at some point. Here's a similar story from another branch of the family. "A quick read of your message sounds exactly like the information > my husband was given about the origins of the family name. > Howard was born in Upton, Cheshire; His father, Jack William > Blaxall of Liverpool, England, passed away in August of 1985. Jack is survived by his wife Dorothy (nee Harrison) and two brothers: George Blaxall of Ormskirk, Lancashire, and Roy who is still in Liverpool. There is also a half-brother Kevin (Howard thinks "down- south-somewhere" in England. Jack's father was John Blaxall of Liverpool and married Dorothy Seaton of (Edinborough?). The amazing thing is that Jack always told us that his grandfather told him that he was a market gardener in Blaxhall. Funny, Jack always used to tell me that the "h" was dropped to get the "hell" out of Blaxhall!! " Must away now as its getting late, but hope that is some help to you. Best Regards. Carlton. On 31 Oct 99, at 20:00, johnblaxall wrote: Dear Carlton, OK here goes. I am John Frederick Blaxall DOB - 16/10/48 - Perivale, Middx Father - Frederick William Blaxall DOB 25/8/19 - Paddington, London?- deceased Mother - Janet Wilson Blaxall DOB 19/4/23 Sanquhar, Dumfreisshire, Scotland Grandfather Blaxall DOB unknown thus far - possibly born London area - died not known Grandmother Blaxall DOB unknown thus far - possibly born London area- died possibly in Harrow, Middx NOTE - From stories my grandfather was married a few times - comment by my father he had a few stepbrothers/sisters. The Burke's Peerage book is not that good, however gives names and locations of about 109 Blaxall's in UK and the world. I am listed (old address) so is my mother in Sanquhar.I can send this book to you if it is any help in your studies. Please supply your address if you want to have a look. The computer print out gives a clearer definintion of the Blaxall (Blackall) surname with some famous names like Chancellor of Exeter- 15th century. I could type this up and send over e mail system if you wish. Out of interest I am ex RAF- carried out work in Suffolk once and went to Blaxhall village- had my photo taken with my hand over the h. Well thats about it- hope to hear from you in the near future. Kind regards. John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carlton Blaxill <carlton@blax.demon.co.uk> > To: johnblaxall <johnblaxall@netlineuk.net> > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 1999 3:21 AM > Subject: Re: Blaxall Genealogy > > > > OK John, > > > > I'll look forward to hearing from you when you have more info. How > > about starting with yourself and your parents so I get a general > > idea of the dates we are talking about -- I actually have a copy > > of all the entries from the GRO indexes so would be happy to > > assist if you are unsure on particular years etc. as you go back. > > > > Actually, I have not got that 'Burke's Peerage Book -- I never > > thought they were that accurate but maybe I am wrong. What sort of > > information does it have on the early development of the family ? > > > > Regards. > > > > Carlton. > > > > On 30 Oct 99, at 12:20, johnblaxall wrote: > > > > > Carlton, > > > Many thanks for replying to my mail. > > > I will via my mother establish details regarding my grandfather > > > to try > and > > > get a link back to the past. I have the Burke's Peerage World > > > Book of Blaxalls- giving a full history of my surname with name > > > and address of Blaxalls around the world. I have also a computer > > > print out of my name- the type you get from stalls that deal in > > > surnames. I presume you have > all > > > these details, if not I can supply if you wish. Hope to hear > > > from you again. Best wishes John ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Carlton > Blaxill > > > <carlton@blax.demon.co.uk> To: <johnblaxall@netlineuk.net> Sent: > > > Wednesday, October 20, 1999 11:33 AM Subject: Blaxall Genealogy > > > > > > > > > > Hi there John, > > > > > > > > Great to hear from another Blaxall across the 'net, and > > > > apologies for the delay in response. > > > > > > > > As you say the name Blaxall and variant spellings is rather > > > > rare, which is quite an advantage when doing genealogy as any > > > > instance of the name is bound to be connected at some point. > > > > > > > > The subject of the London Blaxall's has been a fairly recent > > > > topic in the discussions of the 'cousins' . We have a good > > > > deal of detail on a branch that were from Holborn in the > > > > 1860's and another that were in Marylebone in the 1840's, with > > > > a fair few descendants from both lines being in contact now. I > > > > would be very interested to know what documentation you have > > > > on the Blaxall's and also your direct line back as far as you > > > > know it (names places and dates etc.). > > > > > > > > I would be happy to recipricate with any additional info. I > > > > have in > the > > > > 'archives' from your side of the family and hopefully may be > > > > able to help you get a few more generations back. > > > > > > > > Look forward to hearing from you again. > > > > > > > > Best regards. > > > > > > > > Carlton (Blaxill) > > > > Eye > > > > Suffolk > > > > > > > > > > > > Original Message follows:- > > > > > > > > Blaxall is a rather rare surname, I have a few documents > > > > relating to my surname in the UK and overseas. My father > > > > originated from Paddington, London. His father I believe was > > > > born in London as well. I would like to learn more about my > > > > roots or just find out how many Blaxall's there are around the > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > > > ------- End of forwarded message -------

Hi to all This was posted to the Essex mailing list after I mentioned BLAXALL Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: VJB <vjb@btinternet.com> To: <ESSEX-UK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 1999 2:33 AM Subject: BLAXALL > Somebody mentioned BLAXALLs. The 1917 Kelly's Directory shows in Brentwood - > Edmund Arth. (sic) BLAXALL 66 Park Rd. > Thos. (sic) Edmund BLAXALL 39, Robin Hood Rd. > Valerie > > >

Hi to all In case you haven't discovered it yet the LDS site has had a makeover with more specific search requests and on the IGI you can now DOWNLOAD entries !! Best wishes Angela

Hi to all I have just received this email from Shane Hines - can anybody help ?? <Subject: Blaxall ancestry Hello. I've recently got back a generation on one of my lines, Rainbird, and this has thrown up a Blackshall ancestor, Mary Blackshall, who married Samuel Rainbird in December 1812 at Gt Oakley, Essex. She was born at Ardleigh according to 1851 Census and he at Mistley. If you tie into this, I'd be pleased to hear from you. Regards Shane Hines> Cheers...........Angela

------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Carlton Blaxill <carlton@blax.demon.co.uk> To: "Neil Ward" <nward@cableinet.co.uk> Subject: Blaxall ancestry -- 'Early Essex Blaxalls' Date sent: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 04:10:02 +0100 Hi Angela (and all on the list), Hope you and yours are all well, it was Peters Fifth Birthday yesterday so we are recovering today (Sunday). Anyway, your e-mail is quite interesting as this is another distant off-shoot of the Blaxall's that needs a lot of work on it. (If indeed this line is actually related to ours.) There are about 40 Blaxall and variant marriages listed in Boyds Marriage index for Essex starting as early as 1611down to 1754 (which is when Boyds finishes for the majority of parishes) and I have a further 25 marriages from other sources. Only one of these (James Blaxall and Lucy Royce in 1826) seems to relate to the 'Later' Essex Blaxall's (Angela's line) and we believe that this line emerged from Suffolk via London at a fairly late date (1780's). Therefore, there are a whole load of Blaxall's that I would term the 'Early Essex Blaxall's' and certainly many of these were in the North East corner of Essex (Beaumont-cum-Moze, Great Oakley Ramsey, Thorpe-Le-Socken, Weeley etc.) area as early as 1640- 1670. I can't quite recall whats in the IGI for Essex on this crowd, but if these parishes are not indexed then I would suggest Shane does a search of the Great Oakley registers back to the 1620's. The strange thing is, that from the 1881 census index it would appear that none of these 'Early Essex Blaxall's' survived (at least male lines !). Would be very interested in any lines Shane turns up. Best Regards. Carlton. On 30 Oct 99, at 10:55, Neil Ward wrote: > Hi to all > > I have just received this email from Shane Hines - can anybody help ?? > > <Subject: Blaxall ancestry > > > Hello. I've recently got back a generation on one of my lines, Rainbird, > and this has thrown up a Blackshall ancestor, Mary Blackshall, who > married Samuel Rainbird in December 1812 at Gt Oakley, Essex. She was > born at Ardleigh according to 1851 Census and he at Mistley. If you tie > into this, I'd be pleased to hear from you. > > Regards > > Shane Hines> > > Cheers...........Angela >

Hi there Janice ! Welcome aboard the Blax Fam Hist train ! I'm Geoff Blaxall and you can read all about me and my family at my personal page < http://members.tripod.co.uk/Blaxall/index.html > My direct e-mail is geofflewinblax@cwcom.net However, please read the following which our Cousin Carlton sent out some time ago. If you register, It will enable you to monitor traffic passing between cousins and so pick up snippets on the way. Also, of course, anything you send to BLAXALL-L will automatically be copied to us all, so (theoretically) nothing should fall through (sorry ! thru) the hole in the blanket. Say ! Did you know there's a John Blaxall in the Washington area ? I will copy this via BLAXALL-L so that he sees it. I will also copy direct to you a long screed I already sent to BLAXALL-L regarding a John Blaxall and his family in the area around Bermondsey, Southwark, Rotherhithe, St Saviour, St George's, St Olave area of south east London. I'm pretty sure they are yours. If so, it means Carlton can connect you up right back to a marriage between John Blaxall and Agnes (Anne) Wythe in Yoxford, East Suffolk 2nd July 1621. I'll repeat that date in case you got it corrupt. 2nd July 1621. Wow !!! It also would mean that my great grandfather was brother to your great grandfather's grandfather (I think ! ), their father being Frederick Blaxall who married Mary Cole around 1807. Cheers for now Geoff Carlton Blaxill wrote: > (If you are no longer interested in Blaxall genealogy, my apologies, > and please ignore this e-mail.) > > To all Blaxall researchers. > > Dear Cousins, > > I am e-mailing you all because at some point over the last four > years you have got in touch via the Blaxall / Blaxill / Blaxell / > Blaxcell / Blaxhall family website. > > Over this time some 39 Blaxall's and variants let me know they > were interested in Blaxall genealogy. > > Just for the record:- > > 15 Blaxall's > 13 Blaxill's > 5 Blaxell's > 4 Blaxhall's > 2 Blaxcell's > > Just recently there has been a great deal of activity and > correspondence between certain sections of the family, and this > has been opening up to an ever widening audience of Blaxall > researchers. > > The problem has been, that it is sometimes rather difficult to > understand exactly who is related to whom and what the primary > interests of each researcher are. Also it has not been possible to > 'withdraw from being copied on e-mails when one feels the > information is getting too much. > > I have therefore set up a mailing list so that all the Blaxall's (and > variants) can keep up to date with current research. > > The 'mechanics' of the list are quite simple. > > All you have to do is the following:- > > You can subscribe to the list in mail mode by sending a message > to BLAXALL-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains the word > > subscribe > > (in the body of the text, leaving the subject blank) and nothing else. > > If you would prefer digest mode (this is where a number of e-mails > are bundled together and sent every two days or so), you can send > the command instead to BLAXALL-D-request@rootsweb.com. > again only containing the word > > subscribe > > in the body of the text (no subject). > > In either case you should receive a 'Welcome' message to advise > you are 'subscribed' to the list shortly afterwards when you next > retrieve your mails. > > Should you wish to leave the list then to unsubscribe, > you should send the command "unsubscribe" to > > BLAXALL-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > BLAXALL-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode.) > > in the same way in the body of a message with nothing else. > > To switch from one mode to the other, you should unsubscribe > from one and then subscribe to the other. > > This stage gets you on (or off) the mailing list. > > Next, if you want to send messages to both BLAXALL-L and > BLAXALL-D, messages should be sent to > > BLAXALL-L@rootsweb.com. in just the same way as you send any > other e-mail, (this time with a suitable subject line). > > Messages sent by you will be sent to all the other Blaxall's (and > variants) who have also subscribed to the list. > > The beauty of this is that it is now up to you as to whether you > want to receive mails or not, and you don't need to include a huge > CC: list to get it to everybody. Please remember though that this is > effectively a 'public' list, and so if you have private information then > please send it directly to who-ever. You may also want to 'CC:' a > particular person if your post is of particular relevance to that > person, or you think they are no longer on the list. > > Maybe if all those that are still interested could 'subscribe' to the > list, and as a first post to it, send in a paragraph or two describing > yourself, your direct family line, and you particular areas of interest. > I will then collate these introductions, and send them out at regular > intervals or when a new subscriber joins the list so that they can > understand where we all fit into the 'big tree. > > For the next few weeks its probably a good idea to keep the normal > cc: lists in operation, I will keep you all updated as to who is > subscribed to the list. > > Hope it all works !!!! > > Hope to see you on the list. > > Best Regards. > > Carlton.

Hi to all - many apologies ( especially Geoff - I am feeling wracked with guilt now !!) for leaving you in the dark over this Blaxall - wasn't intentional. Anyway I have given her the GRO ref No. - and I guess she will get the birth certificate now and then we can see if it matches to the DOB of 14th Feb. Correct me if I am wrong but would that mean to end up being registered in the June quarter that it would be 6 weeks + or is my maths rusty. Anyway I reckoned it is worth a shot. The John Blaxell registered 1857 in Yarmouth is in Norfolk in 1881 so unless this John is under a Blac variant he is a likely candidate. I have suggested to Janice that it would be a good idea to try and find the Canadian marriage certificate for John and Jessie Ferris. I don't know if Canadian ones do have Fathers names on it or not but it might have some more clues Sorry again - I will keep you all posted Best wishes Angela - wearing a hair shirt and flagellating in Bristol !!!! So here is the information I received in order. Angela, my name is Janice, and I was sent an e-mail from my mother-in-law regarding your request that if there was a Blaxall in the family, to please contact you. My mother - Glenna Virginia Burgess maiden name is Blaxall. Her fatherwas Charles Albert Blaxall b. 11 Jan 1887, Ontario Canada, married to Hazel Harris. They moved from the Minnesota/Wisconsin area to Palouse WA.in the late 20's, then Spokane, and eventually to Federal Way WA. His father was John Blaxall b. 1857, England (?), married Jessie Ferris of Glascow Scotland. That's basically what I know. I have some more details and stories, but would really appreciate anything you could share from your research about this surname, and in particular my family members. ......................................................................................................................................................................... I have no idea when the family moved to Canada. You see, Jessie Ferris died shortly after having my grandfather, and his dad sent him to live with relatives in the U.S. It was 1900 (I have several letters that his boyhood friends sent him ), so he was only 13 years old. He never saw his father much after that, and by the time I got around to asking, he was almost 90 and couldn't remember much. It had to be before he was born in 1987, and sometime before his older brother was born, so I'm guessing they got married about early 1980's and came over then. Good luck on your search!!! will wait to hear from you...Thanks again! Janice ( Bellevue, Washington. USA) ............................................................................................................................................................................. Hi Angela! I sure appreciate all of your help so far.....Here's all the info. I could get from my mother. Charles had an one older brother (she said," just a couple of years older"....she didn't know exactly) named John. She believed therir Father John, met and married Jessie Ferris in Londen Ontario, but she didn't know when. She said there was still family there....That I had second cousins I'd never met there. Charles brother raised his family there. After Jessie died, Charles father sent him to live with an aunt, but we don't know on which side (Jessie's sister or John's), so it's possible that the father John had a sister. I have some old letters that were written to Charles at his aunts, I'll look through them and see if there's any reference. Mom's planning on going to england in the spring (for the first time) and she would be so excited if there was a possibility of finding relatives there. That's all for now! Hope things are well for you, Janice .................................................................................................................................................................................. Hi Angela, I have some very good news...........I got my hands on my great grandfather's (John Blaxall) death certificate, and it seems that he was born in London England on Feb. 14, 1858 , died on april 23, 1938. It said he'd been in the US for 64 yrs, and was 80 yrs old so he came to Canada when he was 16 in 1874. Could this possibly help your friend Carlton give us any additional info? I'd like to get a birth certificate that would name his parents. Maybe my mother can do some work when she goes over in June. Take care now,....Hope everything is well for you. talk to you soon, Janice .................................................................................................................................................................................. Angela, I'm so excited about this because I believe you're correct about the date being incorrect on the death certificate. I found a picture of his headstone in the Palouse cemetary (where I originally got the year) and it says 1857 not 58.....I can hardly wait to hear from you!!! You've been a great help, and I can't thank you enough. Janice ---------- > From: Neil Ward <nward@cableinet.co.uk> > To: derekn@gte.net > Subject: Re: Blaxall surname research

Hi Folks from Geoff, I seem to be coming in at the tail-end of this as I dunno what's passed before! No criticism intended of anyone !, but it would help if all messages were sent via < BLAXALL-L@rootsweb.com >l, as that way we can all "earwig" as to what's going on and can chip in with added material as and when we spot something we recognise. OK Lecture over ! Now as to John Blaxall:- St Saviour Reg District(RD) lies "cheek by jowl" with the RDs of St Olave: Rotherhithe: St George( Southwark):, Newington: and Bermondsey, all in South East London. Which fact is to my embarrassment by reminding me that way back in May 1999, I undertook to explain why I believe Maria Blaxall (nee Hart) to be the Grandma rather than Ma to Frederick Luing. However, there is a pitfall when looking at the records. Firstly a quote:- "The Poor Law Amendment Act 1834 enabled parishes to combine together to form Poor Law Unions (PLUs). The composition of PLUs disregarded historic county boundaries and consequently places on those borders are often found in the Unions of neighbouring counties. This mid-1830s creation of PLUs was utilised contry-wide as the basis of districts both for the civil registration of births, marriages & deaths that came into force 1st July 1837, also for the 1841 and subsequent censuses." So far so good, BUT ! The Bermondsey and Rotherhithe RDs were both subsumed into St Olave RD w.e.f. 1st Jan 1870. Similarly the Newington and St George,( Southwark) RDs were subsumed into St Saviour RD w.e.f. 1st Jan 1870. So Bermondsey, Rotherhithe, Newington and St George, Southwark RDs "vanish" from the records on and after 1st Jan 1870. To try and avoid confusion, I tend to think of "Greater St Olave" and "Greater St Saviour" after 1st Jan 1870. All these RDs are shown to be in ancient Surrey, not ancient Kent as one would imagine. A guy called Ray Wiggins has produced a very helpful booklet on the St Catherine's House RDs, but he doesn't mention this subsuming. With all this in mind we can now consider :- "The Bermondsey (& thereabouts) Blaxalls". We have the following 17 known facts in chronological order:- Their provenance being :- 1= IGI. 2,3,5,6,7,8,9,12,13,14,15,17, =GRO Index. 4,10,11, = Birth/Death Certs. 16, = Info from Carol Matthews (nee Morris) descendent of Georgina. 1.John Blaxall m. 11Oct 1831 to Maria Hart Marylebone 2.Frederick James Blaxall b.r.Mar Q 1840 St Olave 3.Frederick Blaxall d.r.Jun Q 1841 Bermondsey 4.Luing Blaxall b. 29Nov 1844 son of John(Groom) St Olave 5.Sarah Maria Blaxall b.r.Dec Q 1847 St Olave 6.Mary Ann Blax... d.r.Dec Q 1855 Bermondsey 7.John Blaxall b.r.Jun Q 1857 Bermondsey 8.John Blaxall d.r.Mar Q 1861 Bermondsey 9.Harriette(sic) Blaxall m.r.Sep Q 1861 Bermondsey 10.Frederick Luing Blaxall d. 27Jul 1861 @ 7 months 1 Queens Arms Court St Saviour son of John Blaxall(Gen Lab dec.) 11.ditto d.r.29Jul 1861 by Maria Blaxall (present @ death) of 3 Ship & Mermaid Court Bermondsey 12.Mary Ann Blaxell m.r.Mar Q 1863 Bermondsey 13.Maria Blaxall d.r.Mar Q 1873 @ 63 years St Olave 14.Rose Ann Blaxall m.r.Jun Q 1877 St Olave 15.John Blaxall d.r.Jun Q 1891 @ 86 years St Olave 16.Georgina Blaxall m. 6 Dec 1896 to Frank Morris St Saviour 17.Emma Blaxall d.r.Sep Q 1906 @ 65 years St Olave 18. Over and above this, I picked up a gem from the 1861 Census(7th April) 1 Queen Anns Court Southwark (Christchurch) Ellen Blaxall, 25 years old Widow born Ireland Hawker of wash-leather and her three sons James, Lewin and John (age 3). For some strange reason I didn't get the ages of James & Lewin. So this John MUST be the John born 1857 ???? and it looks as if Ellen could spell Lewin correctly unlike her mother-in-law, Maria who "made her mark". I have the Birth & Death Certs mentioned in 4,10 &11 above. I now believe Georgina to be a "wild card" and co-incidental (although it is quite possible that she got married from an aunt's rather than her own home ?) but all the rest are surely the one family descended from John and Maria ? I keep promising myself I'll find the time to sit down and work out relative ages and dates, but so far time has beaten me ! Now we seem to have a descendant from this John perhaps they could take on the task from the info above ?? I sure hope it keeps in the tabular format. If it doesn't - the 17 "Known Facts" all start with a number. Good Luck someone out there !! Kind Regards to all & happy hunting ! Geoff Neil Ward wrote: > Hi Carlton > I just got this back from Janice - > > <Angela, I'm so excited about this because I believe you're correct about > the date being incorrect on the death certificate. I found a picture of > his headstone in the Palouse cemetery (where I originally got the year) and > it says 1857 not 58.....I can hardly wait to hear from you!!! You've been > a great help, and I can't thank you enough. > Janice > > > Well I think that it would definately be worth her going for the St.Saviour > John - if the date of birth is 14th February that would be great. It would > be interesting to find out who his parents were and whether they are in the > tree anywhere. > > I have suggested that she trys to find the Canadian marriage certificate for > John and Jessie Ferris to see what extra information if any is available - I > don't know if fathers names are given. > > I just checked the 1881 census and the 1857 Yarmouth John is living in > Norfolk so it is not him. > > Thanks for the information Carlton - I will pass it on to Janice and let you > know what turns up. > > We are all fine at the moment apart from the usual colds - I have been > snowed under with family tree information from lots of my branches - not > complaining although my notes mountain is getting bigger. > > I'll keep in touch > Best wishes > Angela > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carlton Blaxill <carlton@blax.demon.co.uk> > To: Neil Ward <nward@cableinet.co.uk> > Cc: <BLAXALL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 5:26 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: blaxall search > > Hi Angela, > > Nice to hear from you, all the family are fine thanks, hope yours are > ok too. > > Janice seems to have a very particular date there, Feb 14 1858, > presumably early Canadian Death Certificates give the date of birth, > but is there no place (parish) within London ?? > > According to both my list of GRO births and the one Geoff did off > the Fiches there are no John's born in 1858 at all, the next John > going forward is John Blaxhall born in Hoxne Reg. District in Dec > Qtr 1860. The first John going backwards is a John Blaxell at > Yarmouth Dec Qtr 1857, and then its the John Blaxall at St. > Saviour in Jun Qtr 1857 (REF No. 1d 2 according to my records). > > So either he wasn't registered, we've missed him from the index > (unlikely now as Geoff has done an independant search too), he is > indexed under a Black..... or Blacs... variant spelling or if the Feb > 14 1858 date is baptism rather than birth then it could be the John > at St. Saviour. (I think St. Saviour is London, can Geoff confirm.) > > This one could be bit tricky to be sure it is the correct John. The > 1861 and 1871 census would be most helpful, but with no place > (parish) of birth to look where would you start ?? I suppose if the > birth cert. says Feb 14th then it is simply the death certificate 1 > year out and he was 81 rather than 80, suppose its worth the £7.50 > to find out !! > > I think Janice really needs to find some other pieces of the 'jigsaw' > from the Canada side (e.g. transportation details (shipping lists > etc.) or apprenticeship indentures that may list his parents). > > Sorry I can't be much help on this one. > > Carlton. > > On 11 Oct 99, at 8:23, Neil Ward wrote: > > > Hi Carlton > > > > I have just got this email from Janice in USA who had Blaxalls in her > > tree. The Scottish connection turned out to be a bit of a dead end as his > > marriage took place out in Canada. > > > > I said I would help her track down a birth certificate for John Blaxall I > > know you said that you had a GRO ref to a John in 1857 St.Saviours ( is > > that London ?) Have you got any possible ref. to the John below birth year > > given as 1858 - but that could be wrong - his wife died before him. > > > > Not to worry if not I'll try and track one down. > > > > Janice's mother is coming over next year - it would be nice if we can link > > her up before she gets over here !! > > > > Hope all the family are well > > > > All the best > > Angela > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Greg Noble <derekn@gte.net> > > To: <Angela <nward@cableinet.co.uk> > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 1999 11:22 PM > > Subject: blaxall search > > > > > > > Hi Angela, I have some very good news...........I got my hands on my > > > great grandfather's (John Blaxall) death certificate, and it seems that > > > he was born in London England on Feb. 14, 1858 , died on April 23, 1938. > > > It said he'd been in the US for 64 yrs, and was 80 yrs old so he came to > > > Canada when he was 16 in 1874. Could this possibly help your friend > > > Carlton give us any additional info? I'd like to get a birth certificate > > > that would > > name > > > his parents. Maybe my mother can do some work when she goes over in > > > June. Take care now,....Hope everything is well for you. > > > > > > talk to you soon, > > > Janice > > > > >

Hi Folks from Geoff, I seem to be coming in at the tail-end of this as I dunno what's passed before! No criticism intended of anyone !, but it would help if all messages were sent via < BLAXALL-L@rootsweb.com >l, as that way we can all "earwig" as to what's going on and can chip in with added material as and when. OK Lecture over ! Now as to John Blaxall:- Neil Ward wrote: > Hi Carlton > I just got this back from Janice - > > <Angela, I'm so excited about this because I believe you're correct about > the date being incorrect on the death certificate. I found a picture of > his headstone in the Palouse cemetery (where I originally got the year) and > it says 1857 not 58.....I can hardly wait to hear from you!!! You've been > a great help, and I can't thank you enough. > Janice > > > Well I think that it would definately be worth her going for the St.Saviour > John - if the date of birth is 14th February that would be great. It would > be interesting to find out who his parents were and whether they are in the > tree anywhere. > > I have suggested that she trys to find the Canadian marriage certificate for > John and Jessie Ferris to see what extra information if any is available - I > don't know if fathers names are given. > > I just checked the 1881 census and the 1857 Yarmouth John is living in > Norfolk so it is not him. > > Thanks for the information Carlton - I will pass it on to Janice and let you > know what turns up. > > We are all fine at the moment apart from the usual colds - I have been > snowed under with family tree information from lots of my branches - not > complaining although my notes mountain is getting bigger. > > I'll keep in touch > Best wishes > Angela > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carlton Blaxill <carlton@blax.demon.co.uk> > To: Neil Ward <nward@cableinet.co.uk> > Cc: <BLAXALL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 5:26 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: blaxall search > > Hi Angela, > > Nice to hear from you, all the family are fine thanks, hope yours are > ok too. > > Janice seems to have a very particular date there, Feb 14 1858, > presumably early Canadian Death Certificates give the date of birth, > but is there no place (parish) within London ?? > > According to both my list of GRO births and the one Geoff did off > the Fiches there are no John's born in 1858 at all, the next John > going forward is John Blaxhall born in Hoxne Reg. District in Dec > Qtr 1860. The first John going backwards is a John Blaxell at > Yarmouth Dec Qtr 1857, and then its the John Blaxall at St. > Saviour in Jun Qtr 1857 (REF No. 1d 2 according to my records). > > So either he wasn't registered, we've missed him from the index > (unlikely now as Geoff has done an independant search too), he is > indexed under a Black..... or Blacs... variant spelling or if the Feb > 14 1858 date is baptism rather than birth then it could be the John > at St. Saviour. (I think St. Saviour is London, can Geoff confirm.) > > This one could be bit tricky to be sure it is the correct John. The > 1861 and 1871 census would be most helpful, but with no place > (parish) of birth to look where would you start ?? I suppose if the > birth cert. says Feb 14th then it is simply the death certificate 1 > year out and he was 81 rather than 80, suppose its worth the £7.50 > to find out !! > > I think Janice really needs to find some other pieces of the 'jigsaw' > from the Canada side (e.g. transportation details (shipping lists > etc.) or apprenticeship indentures that may list his parents). > > Sorry I can't be much help on this one. > > Carlton. > > On 11 Oct 99, at 8:23, Neil Ward wrote: > > > Hi Carlton > > > > I have just got this email from Janice in USA who had Blaxalls in her > > tree. The Scottish connection turned out to be a bit of a dead end as his > > marriage took place out in Canada. > > > > I said I would help her track down a birth certificate for John Blaxall I > > know you said that you had a GRO ref to a John in 1857 St.Saviours ( is > > that London ?) Have you got any possible ref. to the John below birth year > > given as 1858 - but that could be wrong - his wife died before him. > > > > Not to worry if not I'll try and track one down. > > > > Janice's mother is coming over next year - it would be nice if we can link > > her up before she gets over here !! > > > > Hope all the family are well > > > > All the best > > Angela > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Greg Noble <derekn@gte.net> > > To: <Angela <nward@cableinet.co.uk> > > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 1999 11:22 PM > > Subject: blaxall search > > > > > > > Hi Angela, I have some very good news...........I got my hands on my > > > great grandfather's (John Blaxall) death certificate, and it seems that > > > he was born in London England on Feb. 14, 1858 , died on April 23, 1938. > > > It said he'd been in the US for 64 yrs, and was 80 yrs old so he came to > > > Canada when he was 16 in 1874. Could this possibly help your friend > > > Carlton give us any additional info? I'd like to get a birth certificate > > > that would > > name > > > his parents. Maybe my mother can do some work when she goes over in > > > June. Take care now,....Hope everything is well for you. > > > > > > talk to you soon, > > > Janice > > > > >