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    1. Re: [BLAIR-DNA] Blair DNA Project and DNA 101
    2. Thanks for the info John. I have a cousin, named Blair, that would like to join the project. How does he go about accomplishing this??????????? Thanks again?????????? Don Blair ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

    02/06/2008 01:22:09
    1. [BLAIR-DNA] Blair DNA Project Members Mailing List
    2. John A. Blair
    3. Earlier this evening I sent out a message addressed to "participants@blairdna.com". The subject was "Blair DNA Project Members Mailing List" All of you should have received a copy of this email. If you did not receive this email please contact me at: mailto:j_blair@blairdna.com Scottish DNA - Better than Life Insurance John ----- John A. Blair Goffstown NH http://blairdna.com mailto:j_blair@blairdna.com BLAIR DNA Project Coordinator

    12/27/2007 06:12:55
    1. Re: [BLAIR-DNA] Blair DNA Project and DNA 101
    2. Shawn Blair
    3. Thanks, John. I'll update my pages. Yours aye, Shawn Blair *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 12/7/2007, at 12:13 AM, John A. Blair wrote: >Due to problems with my old web hosting service I have decided to >drop them and take on a new hosting service. My new web host offers >far more storage and bandwidth then my old for the same price. They >also provide for mutliple domain names and 2 free domain names. As a >result of this I have added the domain name blairdna.com and moved my >Blair DNA Project from blairgenealogy.com to blairdna.com. > >Those who have the following links to my Blair DNA Project and my DNA >101 webpage: ><http://www.blairgenealogy.com/dna>http://www.blairgenealogy.com/dna and ><http://www.blairgenealogy.com/dna/dna101.html>http://www.blairgenealogy.co m/dna/dna101.html > >should update these links to ><http://blairdna.com/>http://blairdna.com/ and ><http://blairdna.com/dna101.html>http://blairdna.com/dna101.html > >If you should happen to have direct links to other Blair DNA Project >pages simply replace ><http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/>blairgenealogy.com/dna/ with ><http://blairdna.com/>blairdna.com/ > >The old links will continue to work by redirecting visitors to the >new site, but the connection will take a bit longer. > >Scottish DNA - Better than Life Insurance >John >----- >John A. Blair >Goffstown NH ><http://blairdna.com>http://blairdna.com >mailto:BlairDNA@blairdna.com >BLAIR DNA Project Coordinator > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BLAIR-DNA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    12/08/2007 06:38:02
    1. [BLAIR-DNA] Blair DNA Project and DNA 101
    2. John A. Blair
    3. Due to problems with my old web hosting service I have decided to drop them and take on a new hosting service. My new web host offers far more storage and bandwidth then my old for the same price. They also provide for mutliple domain names and 2 free domain names. As a result of this I have added the domain name blairdna.com and moved my Blair DNA Project from blairgenealogy.com to blairdna.com. Those who have the following links to my Blair DNA Project and my DNA 101 webpage: <http://www.blairgenealogy.com/dna>http://www.blairgenealogy.com/dna and <http://www.blairgenealogy.com/dna/dna101.html>http://www.blairgenealogy.com/dna/dna101.html should update these links to <http://blairdna.com/>http://blairdna.com/ and <http://blairdna.com/dna101.html>http://blairdna.com/dna101.html If you should happen to have direct links to other Blair DNA Project pages simply replace <http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/>blairgenealogy.com/dna/ with <http://blairdna.com/>blairdna.com/ The old links will continue to work by redirecting visitors to the new site, but the connection will take a bit longer. Scottish DNA - Better than Life Insurance John ----- John A. Blair Goffstown NH <http://blairdna.com>http://blairdna.com mailto:BlairDNA@blairdna.com BLAIR DNA Project Coordinator

    12/06/2007 05:13:07
    1. [BLAIR-DNA] 2007 BSGR Convention - June 23rd - Lansing MI
    2. John A. Blair
    3. The Blair Society for Genealogical Research (BSGR) is holding its 2007 Convention in Lansing MI on June 23rd. This convention is open to anyone interested in Blair genealogy. As part of the convention I will be giving a presentation on the Blair DNA Project. For all the details on the 2007 BSGR Convention please visit http://blairsociety.org/convention.htm. If you would like to attend and have not already registered please contact me at BlairDNA@blairgenealogy.com I hope many of you will be able to attend. Scottish DNA - Better than Life Insurance John ----- John A. Blair Goffstown NH http://blairgenealogy.com mailto:BlairDNA@blairgenealogy.com BLAIR DNA Project Coordinator

    06/14/2007 05:28:35
    1. [BLAIR-DNA] 2007 BSGR Convention - June 23rd - Lansing MI
    2. John A. Blair
    3. The Blair Society for Genealogical Research (BSGR) is holding its 2007 Convention in Lansing MI on June 23rd. This convention is open to anyone interested in Blair genealogy. As part of the convention I will be giving a presentation on the Blair DNA Project. For all the details on the 2007 BSGR Convention please visit http://blairsociety.org/convention.htm. I hope many of you will be able to attend. Scottish DNA - Better than Life Insurance John ----- John A. Blair Goffstown NH http://blairgenealogy.com mailto:BlairDNA@blairgenealogy.com BLAIR DNA Project Coordinator

    05/21/2007 06:24:09
    1. Clan Blair Society Scotland Trip
    2. John A. Blair
    3. The Clan Blair Society is conducting a 2 week trip to Scotland Aug. 22 to Sept. 5, 2006, Due to illness, we find ourselves with several vacancies and invite Blairs and or their friends to join us on a superb and memorable Scotland tour with an emphasis on visiting places of importance to our Blair Family, (which is extremely difficult to arrange on an individual basis). Detailed itinerary may be found on our web site: www.clanblair.org It will include 2 nights at Blair House, Dalry (formerly Blair Castle--for details see www.blairestate.com). . It was here that the Blair surname began in the early 13th Century and where for 28 successive generations over a period of about 800 years the Chief or Head of the Blair of Blair family lived. Blair House has been modernized over the centuries and is a very special place to visit. We will also visit Blairquhan, home of Patrick Hunter Blair and in Dalry St. Margarets Church and in Kilwinning Dalgarven Mill which had important early connections with the Blair family. In Argyle we will visit Lochnell Castle, home of the Earl of Dundonald, who is a direct lineal descendent of the Blair of Blair family. In Perthshire we will visit the Blair of Balthayock Castle near Perth, home of the other early Blair family in Scotland, the Blairs of Balthayock, and Ardblair Castle in Blairgowrie, home of a cadet branch of the Balthayock Blairs, now home of Laird Laurence Blair Olilphant. In additdion, we expect to have the opportunity of meeting the Lord Lyon King of Arms of Scotland, Robin Orr Blair, and Jack Blair, noted Scottish genealogist, and author of "The Blairs of Balthayock". In addition we will attend the Royal Highland games in Braemar where we will get a glimpse of the Queen and her Royal Party, and possibly of Prime Minister Tony Blair. We will also attend the Tattoo at Edinburgh Castle, and visit a number of Castles including Culzean, Inverary, Sterling, Blair, and Glamis, We will also visit Robert Burns country, travel by boat to the Isle of Arran, visit Loch Lomond, then cross the Trossach Region etc. Cost will be 2260 British Pounds per person in a double room basis, (single supplement is 175 Pounds). Price does not include airfare to and from Scotland. At present currency conversion rates 2260 pounds is slightly over $4,000.00 US. If interested, please contact Dr. Bill Blair at bbblair@comcast.net or telephone 650 324 4314 by June 18 if possible. I will be glad to answer any questions you may have.

    06/10/2006 05:54:08
    1. FTDNA - New Tests and Prices
    2. John A. Blair
    3. Just to let everyone know that FamilyTree DNA has added 22 new Y-DNA markers. They now offer a total of 59 markers. FTDNA has also lowered the price of their new tests and upgrades. They now offer 12-marker, 25-marker, 37-marker and 59-marker tests. The new prices are show below: Y-DNA 12-marker test - $ 99 +p/h Y-DNA 25-marker test - $159 +p/h Y-DNA 37-marker test - $189 +p/h Y-DNA 59-marker test - $269 +p/h Y-Refine 12 to 25 (to upgrade a 12-marker test to a 25-marker test) - $ 49 Y-Refine 12 to 37 (to upgrade a 12-marker test to a 37-marker test) - $ 99 Y-Refine 12 to 59 (to upgrade a 12-marker test to a 59-marker test) - $189 Y-Refine 25 to 37 (to upgrade a 25-marker test to a 37-marker test) - $ 49 Y-Refine 25 to 59 (to upgrade a 25-marker test to a 59-marker test) - $148 Y-Refine 37 to 59 (to upgrade a 25-marker test to a 59-marker test) - $ 99 Anyone wishing to upgrade can go to their personnal FTDNA web page and order the upgrade or contact me and I can order the upgrade for you. Scottish DNA - Better than Life Insurance John ----- John A. Blair Goffstown NH http://blairgenealogy.com mailto:dna@blairgenealogy.com BLAIR DNA Project Coordinator

    03/24/2006 05:49:04
    1. FTDNA - New Tests and Prices
    2. John A. Blair
    3. Just to let everyone know that FamilyTree DNA has added 22 new Y-DNA markers. They now offer a total of 59 markers. FTDNA has also lowered the price of their new tests and upgrades and eliminated the 25-marker test. They now offer 12-marker, 37-marker and 59-marker tests. The new prices are show below: Y-DNA 12-marker test - $ 99 +p/h Y-DNA 37-marker test - $189 +p/h Y-DNA 59-marker test - $269 +p/h Y-Refine 12 to 37 (to upgrade a 12-marker test to a 37-marker test) - $ 99 Y-Refine 12 to 59 (to upgrade a 12-marker test to a 59-marker test) - $189 Y-Refine 25 to 37 (to upgrade a 25-marker test to a 37-marker test) - $ 48 Y-Refine 25 to 59 (to upgrade a 25-marker test to a 59-marker test) - $149 Anyone wishing to upgrade can go to their personnal FTDNA web page and order the upgrade or contact me and I can order the upgrade for you. Scottish DNA - Better than Life Insurance John ----- John A. Blair Goffstown NH http://blairgenealogy.com mailto:dna@blairgenealogy.com BLAIR DNA Project Coordinator

    03/21/2006 05:49:59
    1. Blair DNA Project Update
    2. John A. Blair
    3. Hi All, It's been quite some time since this list has been used so I thought now would be a good time to provide a project update and to remind all members on this list that is your list. Anyone subscribed to this list may use it to ask questions and provide information about the Blair DNA Project in general or their own test results, ancestry, etc, as long as they follow the rules of the list provided when you subscribed. The number 1 rule is don't ask for or provide personal information on other project participants. Refer only to their participant ID. You are free to provide any personal information about yourself if you wish, but not about others. TOPICS: 1. Project Status 2. Blair DNA Fund 3. Your FTDNA Participant Webpage 4. Information Release Form 1. Project Status: The Blair DNA Project now has 102 participants representing 79 different oldest known ancestors. We have received test results on 100 these participants. 65 have been grouped together into 5 groups. For more details on the project visit http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/ 2. Blair DNA Fund: The Blair DNA Fund is a fund established in conjunction with Family Tree DNA for people to contribute funds towards the cost of DNA testing. This fund will be used to help defray the cost of the Y-chromosome DNA test. All contributions will be sent directly to Family Tree DNA and deposited into a general fund earmarked for the Blair DNA Project. Contributors may specify how the funds are to be used, i.e. for the descendants of John P. Blair and Mary Smith, or for a test for a specific participant, or they may make a general contribution to be used by any participant who meets the criteria for using the fund. A General Fund contribution can also be made "in memory" of someone. For more information or to contribute to the Blair DNA Fund please visit http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/dna_fund.html If you have questions about the Blair DNA Fund you can contact me at dna@blairgenealogy.com 3. Your FTDNA Participant Webpage: Each participant in this DNA project has an FTDNA webpage. It can be reached at: http://www.familytreedna.com/ftLogin.asp?kit=xxxx&code=yyyyy where xxxx is your kit number (participant ID) and yyyyy is a security code provided to you by FTDNA when your kit was received by FTDNA. If you do not have your security code, contact me and I'll give it to you. Your Webpage has several sections: Y-DNA Matches, Recent Ethnic Origins, Haplogroup, and Y-DNA DYS Values. Each of these is explained in detail on the Webpage. The two you should be most interested in are Y-DNA DYS Values and Y-DNA Matches. The Y-DNA DYS Values lists your marker values and the Y-DNA Matches lists other participants who match your markers 12 for 12, 11 for 12, 25 for 25, 24 for 25, or 23 for 25. It will only show matches with those who have signed the FTDNA Release Form when they submitted their DNA sample. Initially it will only show matches within the surname project, but I'll explain how to change this later. There are also tabs at the top of the page to order additional tests or certificates and to update contact information. 4. Information Release Form: Blair DNA Project policy forbids the release of any participant information, other than participant ID, oldest ancestor, and marker values, without written permission of the participant. All participants are encouraged, but not required, to fill out and sign an Information Release Form (http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/information.html) with contact information. Each participant chooses exactly what information he or she wishes to provide. So far 59 participants have signed the Release. If you have not yet done so, please consider filling one out. This is particularly important if you belong to one of the groups of closely related Blairs. To see if I have received an Information Release Form from you visit http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/participants.html That's all for now, John ----- John A. Blair Goffstown NH http://blairgenealogy.com mailto:jablair@blairgenealogy.com BLAIR DNA Project Family Coordinator

    02/12/2006 09:11:35
    1. Re Upgrade
    2. Terry Blair
    3. I have decided I would like to upgrade to the 37 site DNA test, but can't access my account because I forget my password and the verification gets sent to an e-mail account I no longer use. Hope you ca help. Terry Blair

    09/25/2005 06:39:10
    1. Blair DNA Fund
    2. John A. Blair
    3. July 1, 2005 marks the third anniversary of the Blair DNA Project, one of the largest and most successful DNA Surname Projects going. With 93 participants we rank 31 out of over 1,000 projects with five or more participants. July 1, 2005 also marks the official start of the Blair DNA Fund. The Blair DNA Fund is a fund established in conjunction with Family Tree DNA for people to contribute funds towards the cost of DNA testing. This fund will be used to help defray the cost of the Y-chromosome DNA test. All contributions will be sent directly to Family Tree DNA and deposited into a general fund earmarked for the Blair DNA Project. Contributors may specify how the funds are to be used, i.e. for the descendants of John P. Blair and Mary Smith, or for a test for a specific participant, or they may make a general contribution to be used by any participant who meets the criteria for using the fund. A General Fund contribution can also be made "in memory" of someone. For more information or to contribute to the Blair DNA Fund please visit http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/dna_fund.html If you have questions about the Blair DNA Fund you can contact me at dna@blairgenealogy.com John ----- John A. Blair Goffstown NH http://blairgenealogy.com mailto:dna@blairgenealogy.com BLAIR DNA Project Coordinator

    06/30/2005 06:55:56
    1. BLAIR DNA Project Update
    2. John A. Blair
    3. TOPICS: 1. This is YOUR Mailing List 2. Project Update 3. Information Release Form 4. Family Tree DNA Announces 5. Your FTDNA Participant Webpage 1. This is YOUR Mailing List The BLAIR-DNA Mailing List was set up to allow you to ask questions of me and everyone on the list and to give you the opportunity to post replies and messages to all members of the list. Appropriate subjects for this list include: 1) general questions about the BLAIR DNA Project, 2) questions and discussions about your test results, 3) questions and discussions about your relationship with other participants, 4) requesting others to contact you, 5) general questions about the Y-chromosome DNA testing. Please Remember: 1. DO NOT use the names, email addresses, etc. of other participants in the BLAIR DNA Project. Refer only to their Participant ID#. 2. DO NOT ask for the names, email addresses, etc. of other participants in the BLAIR DNA Project. You may ask that participant #xxxx contact you, but DO NOT ask someone on the list to provide the information This is YOUR list. Please feel free to use it. 2. Project Update The Blair DNA Project now has 92 participants with 88 test results. For more information on the project status and the latest information on the Project and the website see: http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/update.html 3. Information Release Form Blair DNA Project policy forbids the release of any participant information, other than participant ID, oldest ancestor, and marker values, without written permission of the participant. All participants are encouraged, but not required, to fill out and sign an Information Release Form (http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/information.html) with contact information. Each participant chooses exactly what information he or she wishes to provide. I have added a new option to the Information Release Form. This gives participants the option to allow me to provide their name and email address to other participants of the Blair DNA Project, but NOT publish the information on the website. This option is most productive if you allow your pedigree to be posted on the website. So far 55 participants have signed the release. If you have not yet done so, please consider filling one out. This is particularly important if you belong to one of the groups of closely related Blairs. To see if I have received an Information Release Form from you should visit http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/participants.asp 4. Family Tree DNA Announces For the latest information from FTDNA see http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/announce.html 5. Your FTDNA Participant Webpage For more information on Your FTDNA Participant Webpage see http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/update.html#FTDNA_Webpage and http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/announce.html#PublicorPrivate

    04/20/2005 06:55:32
    1. Blair DNA Project Updates
    2. John A. Blair
    3. TOPICS: 1. Project Status 2. 1st International Conference of Genetic Genealogy 3. New Mutation Rates 4. Information Release Form 5. Family Tree DNA Ysearch 6. Family Tree DNA Forum 7. Your FTDNA Participant Webpage 1. Project Status It's been several months since I've posted an update on the Blair DNA Project to this list. Hopefully you've all been following it on the Blair DNA website http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/. For those of you who have not been following it, the project is alive and well and continues to grow. With 83 participants it is in the top 30 of over 1,200 Surname projects at Family Tree DNA. 77 test results have been received and posted on the website at http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/results.html The status through November 13, 2004: No. of Participants: 83 (37-Marker = 14, 25-Marker = 58, 12-Marker = 11) No. of DNA sample received and processed by FT-DNA: 82 No. of 12-Marker Test Results: 8 No. of 25-Marker Test Results: 56 (4 other results pending) No. of 37-Marker Test Results: 13 (1 upgrade pending) Of the 77 test results received, 56 have been grouped together into 10 groups. 2. 1st International Conference of Genetic Genealogy Family Tree DNA held it's 1st International Conference of Genetic Genealogy on October 30, 2004 in Houston TX. Over 170 DNA surname project administrators and their spouses attended this conference. It was a wonderful opportunity to meet with the staff of Family Tree DNA and the other project administrators who I have conversed with by email over the past two years in person. It also gave us all the opportunity to understand the way FTDNA does their testing and the procedures they use to ensure that test results are accurate. There were also presentations on recruiting participants and a case study on the MUMMA Surname Project, one the very first surname projects undertaken. The conference was a huge success. There is no question in my mind that Family Tree DNA is a highly profession company dedicated to leading the effort of using DNA in genealogical research. 3. New Mutation Rates Back in August 2003, Family Tree DNA started a study in an attempt to redefine the mutations rates of the 12 and 25 marker Y-DNA tests. Project Administrators who wish to include their surname project is this study were required to sign a release authorizing FTDNA to include their test results and to provide pedigree line diagrams like those I post on our website. See http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/group1a.html I volunteered our Blair project for the study. See http://www.familytreedna.com/mutation_study.html for more information on this study. Preliminary results of this study were released at the convention in Houston and came as quite a surprise. Although FTDNA has computed mutation rates for each of the 37 markers now being tested, these have NOT been released yet. Instead FTDNA has provided the mutation rates for each of the three blocks of tests they run. These mutation rates are: Markers 1 - 12 0.00399 Markers 13 - 25 0.00481 Markers 26 - 37 0.00748 These new rates are at minimum twice as fast as the currently used rate of 0.002. To see what effect these new rates may have on estimating the time to most recent common ancestor see http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/mutation_rates.html. What is significant is that mismatches of 3 or 4 on 25 markers may mean that participants still share a common ancestor within the time frame of the Blair surname. Bear in mind that the results are PRELIMINARY and have not yet been formally published or peer-reviewed. Until they are formally published and peer-reviewed they are only the opinion of FTDNA. I expect the publication and peer-review will take place in the very near future. 4. Information Release Form Blair DNA Project policy forbids the release of any participant information, other than participant ID, oldest ancestor, and marker values, without written permission of the participant. All participants are encouraged, but not required, to fill out and sign an Information Release Form (http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/information.html) with contact information. Each participant chooses exactly what information he or she wishes to provide. So far 48 participants have signed the Release. If you have not yet done so, please consider filling one out. This is particularly important if you belong to one of the groups of closely related Blairs. To see if I have received an Information Release Form from you should visit http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/participants.html 5. Family Tree DNA Ysearch In the last update I mentioned Family Tree DNA Ysearch (http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/announce.html#Ysearch). If you have not added your test results to Ysearch you may wish to consider doing so. If you need help or would like me to add the results for you, please let me know. 6. Family Tree DNA Forum If you have not yet checked out the Family Tree DNA Forum you might wish to do so at http://www.familytreedna.com/forum/ 7. Your FTDNA Participant Webpage Each participant in this DNA project has an FTDNA webpage. It can be reached at: http://www.familytreedna.com/ftLogin.asp?kit=xxxx&code=yyyyy where xxxx is your kit number (participant ID) and yyyyy is a security code provided to you by FTDNA when your kit was received by FTDNA. If you do not have your security code, contact me and I'll give it to you. Your Webpage has several sections: Y-DNA Matches, Recent Ethnic Origins, Haplogroup, and Y-DNA DYS Values. Each of these is explained in detail on the Webpage. The two you should be most interested in are Y-DNA DYS Values and Y-DNA Matches. The Y-DNA DYS Values lists your marker values and the Y-DNA Matches lists other participants who match your markers 12 for 12, 11 for 12, 25 for 25, 24 for 25, or 23 for 25. It will only show matches with those who have signed the FTDNA Release Form when they submitted their DNA sample. Initially it will only show matches within the surname project, but I'll explain how to change this later. There are also tabs at the top of the page to order additional tests or certificates and to update contact information. That's all for now, John ----- John A. Blair Goffstown NH http://blairgenealogy.com mailto:dna@blairgenealogy.com BLAIR DNA Project Coordinator

    11/14/2004 05:25:55
    1. Re: [BLAIR-DNA] 37 marker test
    2. Shirley Landen
    3. John, you are exactly right. I picked up 5891 right above the 37 marker info from Familytreedna sent to me and inadvertently included it. I apologize to everyone for this error. Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: John A. Blair To: BLAIR-DNA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 2:34 AM Subject: Re: [BLAIR-DNA] 37 marker test Hi Shirley, #5891 has NOT upgraded to the 37 marker test so there is no way to compare #4023's 37 markers to #5891. All you can compare is the 25 marker results. You are right about being 3 away from #4066 and #13050, and being 4 away from #4022. Basicly this means that the four of you still share a common ancestor but he is probably to far removed for you to ever connect to him. Here is what FTDNA has to say about 3 and 4 mismatches on 37 markers (http://www.familytreedna.com/gdrules_37.html) 3 Mismatches: Related 34/37 You share the same surname (or a variant) with another male and you mismatch by three 'points' --a 34/37 match. Because of the volatility within some of the markers this is slightly tighter then being 11/12 or 23/25 and it's most likely that you matched 24/25 or 25/25 on previous Y-DNA tests. Your mismatch will most often be found within DYS 439 or DYS 385 A, 385 B and 389-1 from our first panel of 12 markers, or within the second panel: DYS #'s 458, 459 a, 459b, 449, or within 464 a-d. If you matched exactly on previous tests you probably have a mismatch at DYS 576, 570, CDYa or CDYb in our newest panel of markers. Your mismatch is likely within the range of most well established surname lineages in Western Europe. 4 Mismatches:Probably Related 33/37 You share the same surname (or a variant) with another male and you mismatch by four 'points' --a 33/37 match. Because of the volatility within some of the markers this is about the same as being 11/12 and it's most likely that you matched 23/25 or 24/25 on previous Y-DNA tests. If you matched exactly on previous tests you probably have a mismatch at DYS 576, 570, CDYa or CDYb in our newest panel of markers. If several or many generations have passed it is likely that these two lines are related through other family members. That would require that each line had passed a mutation and one person would have experienced at least 2 mutations. The only way to confirm is to test additional family lines and find where the mutations took place. Only by testing additional family members can you find the person in between each of you...this 'in betweener' becomes essential for you to find, and without him the possibility of a match exists, but further evidence must be pursued. If you test additional individuals you will most likely find that their DNA falls in-between the persons who are 4 apart demonstrating relatedness within this family cluster or haplotype. I will be posting more information on the website over the weekend. John ----- John A. Blair Goffstown NH http://blairgenealogy.com mailto:dna@blairgenealogy.com BLAIR DNA Project Coordinator At 09:10 PM 4/28/2004, Shirley Landen wrote: >I am writing in reference to #4023 who has received results of the 37 >marker test. We are now two mutations from #5891 which is how we started >out on the 25 marker test. ] > >We are three mutations from 4066 and 13050, both of whom were perfect >matches on the 25 marker test. > >We are four mutations from #4022, who was also a perfect match on the 25 >marker test. Anyone know what this means? There is not much that I could >find on interpreting the results of the 37 marker test. > >Can anyone help? Shirley Landen > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

    04/29/2004 03:02:30
    1. Re: [BLAIR-DNA] 37 marker test
    2. John A. Blair
    3. Hi Shirley, #5891 has NOT upgraded to the 37 marker test so there is no way to compare #4023's 37 markers to #5891. All you can compare is the 25 marker results. You are right about being 3 away from #4066 and #13050, and being 4 away from #4022. Basicly this means that the four of you still share a common ancestor but he is probably to far removed for you to ever connect to him. Here is what FTDNA has to say about 3 and 4 mismatches on 37 markers (http://www.familytreedna.com/gdrules_37.html) 3 Mismatches: Related 34/37 You share the same surname (or a variant) with another male and you mismatch by three 'points' --a 34/37 match. Because of the volatility within some of the markers this is slightly tighter then being 11/12 or 23/25 and it's most likely that you matched 24/25 or 25/25 on previous Y-DNA tests. Your mismatch will most often be found within DYS 439 or DYS 385 A, 385 B and 389-1 from our first panel of 12 markers, or within the second panel: DYS #'s 458, 459 a, 459b, 449, or within 464 a-d. If you matched exactly on previous tests you probably have a mismatch at DYS 576, 570, CDYa or CDYb in our newest panel of markers. Your mismatch is likely within the range of most well established surname lineages in Western Europe. 4 Mismatches:Probably Related 33/37 You share the same surname (or a variant) with another male and you mismatch by four 'points' --a 33/37 match. Because of the volatility within some of the markers this is about the same as being 11/12 and it's most likely that you matched 23/25 or 24/25 on previous Y-DNA tests. If you matched exactly on previous tests you probably have a mismatch at DYS 576, 570, CDYa or CDYb in our newest panel of markers. If several or many generations have passed it is likely that these two lines are related through other family members. That would require that each line had passed a mutation and one person would have experienced at least 2 mutations. The only way to confirm is to test additional family lines and find where the mutations took place. Only by testing additional family members can you find the person in between each of you...this 'in betweener' becomes essential for you to find, and without him the possibility of a match exists, but further evidence must be pursued. If you test additional individuals you will most likely find that their DNA falls in-between the persons who are 4 apart demonstrating relatedness within this family cluster or haplotype. I will be posting more information on the website over the weekend. John ----- John A. Blair Goffstown NH http://blairgenealogy.com mailto:dna@blairgenealogy.com BLAIR DNA Project Coordinator At 09:10 PM 4/28/2004, Shirley Landen wrote: >I am writing in reference to #4023 who has received results of the 37 >marker test. We are now two mutations from #5891 which is how we started >out on the 25 marker test. ] > >We are three mutations from 4066 and 13050, both of whom were perfect >matches on the 25 marker test. > >We are four mutations from #4022, who was also a perfect match on the 25 >marker test. Anyone know what this means? There is not much that I could >find on interpreting the results of the 37 marker test. > >Can anyone help? Shirley Landen > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

    04/28/2004 08:34:46
    1. 37 marker test
    2. Shirley Landen
    3. I am writing in reference to #4023 who has received results of the 37 marker test. We are now two mutations from #5891 which is how we started out on the 25 marker test. ] We are three mutations from 4066 and 13050, both of whom were perfect matches on the 25 marker test. We are four mutations from #4022, who was also a perfect match on the 25 marker test. Anyone know what this means? There is not much that I could find on interpreting the results of the 37 marker test. Can anyone help? Shirley Landen

    04/28/2004 03:10:16
    1. [BLAIR-DNA] New Email Addresses
    2. John A. Blair
    3. Due to an overwhelming amout of spam I have been forced to give up my email address - jablair@blairgenealogy.com. In order to simplify the management of my email I have established 3 new email addresses: DNA@blairgenealogy.com - for email concerning DNA and the Blair DNA Project. john@blairgenealogy.com - for email concerning Blair genealogy in general. jablair@blairsociety.org - for email concerning the Blair Society for Genealogical Research (BSGR). John ----- John A. Blair Goffstown NH http://blairgenealogy.com mailto:dna@blairgenealogy.com BLAIR DNA Project Coordinator

    03/05/2004 05:17:54
    1. Re: [BLAIR-DNA] upgrade
    2. jablair
    3. Shirley, You are right, So far 3 members of group 1 have upgraded, #4022, #4023, and #13050. The good thing is that the 3 represent 3 separate lines in group 1, so the results could be interesting. You are also correct when you say "I don't think there is any reason for more than one in a family group that is already documented to upgrade." At least not until we get the test results back and see if the are any contradictions. John At 10:58 PM 2/21/2004, you wrote: >I have heard from three members of group one who have upgraded to the 37 >marker test. I hope this will enable us to reduce the number of >generations to the most common ancestor. Has anyone else in group one >upgraded? I don't think there is any reason for more than one in a family >group that is already documented to upgrade. If I am wrong, someone let me >know.

    02/21/2004 06:30:21
    1. [BLAIR-DNA] upgrade
    2. Shirley Landen
    3. I have heard from three members of group one who have upgraded to the 37 marker test. I hope this will enable us to reduce the number of generations to the most common ancestor. Has anyone else in group one upgraded? I don't think there is any reason for more than one in a family group that is already documented to upgrade. If I am wrong, someone let me know. I have made a large chart for group one members by hand and would be very interested in having siblings of each of your ancestors if you would care to share that information. This may give us some more clues. It is difficult to know if charts published on the internet are correct. If we share ones we know are not correct, we will know which ones to discard. This project has sure narrowed our search down to a manageable size as we no longer have to go chasing down the wrong path. My thanks to John for all his hard work. Shirley #4023, #4382, and #4786

    02/21/2004 03:58:55