In a message dated 9/21/2005 4:12:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: My reason for writing is to ask if anyone knows where I might see a photograph or drawing of a machine similar to the one described above. I have tried to sketch it from memory, but cannot do so. Any help will be much appreciated. Gordon you don't say where you are but if you live in the USA you can see these machines in action on Monster Garage and American Chopper. Monster Garage had in the first season a few of this metalworking equipment. Also on Biker Build off some of the competitors had them, fascinating I thought <G> Eliz