I think the reason people think allowing priests to marry will help, is because then there will be more people willing to be priests, allowing the church to get rid of the sick-o power hungry ones that they have now and hire healthy normal people. There is a serious priest shortage. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris" <ginlu@charter.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Israel, et al > Jan G. > > You probably are the first person I've seen to mention that allowing priests > to marry will not solve the problem...I AGREE!!! This problem has nothing > to do with marrying....after all, look at all the married men who are > pedophiles---it's really the dumbest argument I've heard!! And women > priests will not alleviate it either, as there is abuse in both genders... > > It's true that has been going on for many years--centuries ago there were > the poor children sold to the church because they were able to sing > soprano---they were horribly abused, and it didn't stop until it saw the > light of day. > > I'm Catholic, and I've worked with children who were abused by adults (all > kinds of abuse)....as far as I know, it was never perpetrated by a > priest.... > the whole rotten thing is an authority figure who abuses the > relationship...and I guess I will have to say that I'm glad it has finally > come to light---perhaps it will put an end to a cancer within the Church and > in the long run heal a lot of hurts. > If it does no more than force those in authority (bishops) to stop covering > for and re-locating the priests in question to another "fresh market" it > will be a good thing.....but I'm hoping this will cure a lot of ills. > > It will have nothing to do with my affiliation with the Church, but I > suppose it could go both ways---maybe we should put a little responsibility > on some of the parents who wouldn't pay attention to a child who was living > in fear of another person. > I know of a family who experienced this---the child was abused by a > clergyman and the mother refused to believe him. The father did > believe--the family broke apart--the son (now grown with his own family) > doesn't speak to his mother, and barely to his father--both parents are all > alone---and all the family members have taken sides...big problems there!!! > I'm glad I wasn't involved in counseling that group! > > Anyway, neither married priests nor women priests is the answer to this > problem....nor is the vast liberalization proposed by some groups the > answer....as far as I can see it, it's a situation that can only be resolved > by changing the procedures of correction and elimination of the offenders. > > Off the soapbox for me.... > > Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... > Still shaking the family tree and > dodging the nuts after 30+ years! > IBSSG > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 1:47 AM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Israel, et al > > > > Yes, I know what you mean, Jan. I'm hoping that the Israel/Palestine thing > will be settled by them alone. I don't want us involved there, if it can be > avoided. I don't see any other countries coming to give military assistance > to Arafat, so, maybe if we just stand back and watch, the two old "freedom > fighters" --or their successors-- will find a way to put the past where it > belongs and move on. > > The priest problem--I have no doubt it's been going on forever. And allowing > them to marry won't solve the problem. Those perverts are like any other, > except they're wearing a collar and have more opportunities and a better > cover than most. I don't think the problem would ever have been drug out > into the light of day in any other country than ours, where we're more > supportive of the victims. I don't know if the church will do a good job of > weeding out the bad ones. Used to be they didn't defrock anyone because it > would be construed as guilt and perhaps make the church responsible. Perhaps > after a few lawsuits, they'll realize that they have to do things > differently. > > Jan G. > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BSChat] Re: Israel, et al > Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 23:34:56 -0600 > > I am so friggin tired of the Israel-Palastine conflict I could throw-up! > And my patience with Afganistan is growing thin. And I'm sick & tired of > the Catholic Priests & sex abuse. > > There is no end to the old, archaic, way of thinking. I had high hopes that > the human mind had risen to a higher level in 2002, but it doesn't look > promising. Looks like the Middle Eastern countries are still mired-in with > their old religious beliefs. > > In a nut-shell, I'm disappointed in the *MALE* leaders of various countries. > They can never seem to get it together. > > Jan C. > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >