Don't find a Hezekiah among mine, but Carr Allen (father of Alfred Lewis) was born about 1786 Alfred was born about 1830. Still doesn't mean that we don't have a tie in that line! Both of those, by the way, were born in Grayson Co, VA. Mike IBSSG > [Original Message] > From: Telecom Girl <telecomgirl911@hotmail.com> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 5/8/2002 11:40:53 AM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Melungeons/Black Dutch > > I have a Hezekiah "Carr" Allen in my line , born 1859 in VA - > > could this be your Carr ? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shuler Michael" <grinch42@mindspring.com> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:44 AM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Melungeons/Black Dutch > > > > Truthfully, at this point, I'll have to say no...however, I just made the > > connection to the data fairly recently, and haven't finished (do we ever?) > > entering what I've found into my data. I'll say that Alfred was the > > youngest son of Carr Allen, born in Grayson Co, VA. Carr Allen moved on > to > > Grayson Co, KY, but many of the children moved to other places, including > > Letcher Co, KY (where my grandfather was born), Carroll Co, VA, Lee Co, > VA, > > etc. ALL these areas are Melungeon "heavy", so we may have a tie with > each > > other in that line. Oh, yes, my ggrandfather had an uncle & 1st cousin > > executed in Richmond, also (they were members of the Appalachian Allen > > Gang...somewhat notorious around the Civil War era). > > Should I find a tie, I'll certainly let you know! Many of us on this site > > are tied together in one line or another. > > > > Mike > > IBSSG > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: Telecom Girl <telecomgirl911@hotmail.com> > > > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Date: 5/8/2002 9:34:45 AM > > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Melungeons/Black Dutch > > > > > > Michael - > > > I am researching my Melungeon Allens too!! > > > I couldn't find your Allen in my tree, or the Cornetts - > > > My Allens came from Scott Co. VA and moved to Rockcastle Co. Ky > > > > > > Sound familiar? > > > > > > Cammie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Shuler Michael" <grinch42@mindspring.com> > > > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 12:00 AM > > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Melungeons/Black Dutch > > > > > > > > > > Right, Jan! On my mother's side I have a couple of instances of > > > > Melungeon claiming something else...My mother's maiden name was Pruitt > > (an > > > > Irish name)...when I asked her why her brothers & my cousins were so > > dark > > > > complected, she looked at me with her blue eyes and said "hush...we're > > > > Black Irish!" Didn't find out until she had been in her grave for > > several > > > > years the truth...Melungeon. Likewise, she had a grandmother whose > > maiden > > > > name was Nelson (English, right?). Wrong! My mother said "oh...she > was > > an > > > > Indian Princess!" What a crock! > > > > On my father's side there's the Allen clan (which should have been my > > last > > > > name). Sounds English or French. But, the Appalachian Allen clan > > (mine) > > > > is Melungeon. My ggrandfather (Alfred Lewis Allen) couldn't marry my > > > > ggrandmother because he looked like a FPC (Free Person of Color), and > my > > > > ggrandmother was a blue-eyed blonde of primarily German heritage. > > > > Later discovered that even that wasn't completely true...her > grandmother > > > > had been a Cornett (supposedly a corruption of Canute, a Danish king > of > > > > England). Cornett was probably ORIGINALLY of that derivation, but the > > > ones > > > > in SW Virginia are another family of Melungeons! > > > > Guess I could go on and on with my own heritage, but that's enough! > > Just > > > > goes to show that you have to really get in there & dig. Sometimes > it's > > > > even possible to interview people from other families who knew the > > family > > > > you're researching, and can give you a decent physical description. > > That > > > > combined with the part of the country is usually the only "proof" > you're > > > > going to find, due to the Melungeons attempting to hide for centuries > in > > > > order to avoid being discriminated against. > > > > Thank heaven racial pride has displaced the old discrimination to a > > large > > > > extent! > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > IBSSG > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > > From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > > > > > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Date: 5/8/2002 7:33:27 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Melungeons/Black Dutch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, Mike will know more about this than I, I haven't heard so much > > of > > > > > "Black Irish" in respect to the Melungeons, I sure it's possible, > > > though. > > > > > They usually claimed association with just about anything else as a > > > > reason > > > > > for their exotic, darker look, often contrasted with blue eyes. > There > > > > have > > > > > been a lot of years when it wasn't good to claim a family connection > > to > > > > > either the NA peoples or to Blacks, so, depending on the time frame > > and > > > > > location, I'm sure they came up with various stories to protect > > > > themselves > > > > > from the ignorant people around them. As a group, they've had a > pretty > > > > rough > > > > > time here. There are still those who don't want it known that > they're > > > > part > > > > > Melungeon--the first website I saw about them, the website owner had > > > > > received threats. He had mentioned specific surnames in association > > with > > > > > Melungeon families, and some people didn't like that. There's still > > > > plenty > > > > > of ignorance to go around, looks like. > > > > > > > > > > Jan G. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > > From: "Telecom Girl" <telecomgirl911@hotmail.com> > > > > > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-D Digest V02 #696 > > > > > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 07:42:37 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > I think the kind of census information I was looking for would be > the > > > > "black > > > > > Irish" race. I have heard this was commonly used by Melungeon > > families. > > > > > > > > > > Cammie > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: <LVLYLADY12@aol.com> > > > > > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 2:52 PM > > > > > Subject: [BSChat] Re: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-D Digest V02 #696 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/7/02 9:37:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > > > BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find this very interesting - we have all the "Melungeon" > > > > > Characteristics > > > > > > > in my family - but I can't find any census type evidence > listing > > > > anyone > > > > > as > > > > > > > anything but white. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Telecom girl, I don't think the Melungeons were listed on the > > census > > > as > > > > > > "Melungeon" > > > > > > There was so much prejudice through the years, they tried to hide > > it > > > > and > > > > > > listed themselves as white. Now of course that has done away > > with. > > > > > There > > > > > > are several books and websites about Melungeons that could > probably > > > > give > > > > > you > > > > > > a lot of information. 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