Well, Ava, Melungeon is classified as tri-racial (part European, part Native American, part either North African or from the Turkish Plateau known as Anatolia). They were first discovered in North American during the VERY early English explorations into the interior. When discovered, they spoke a very poor version of Elizabethan English, and claimed to be "Portugee" which was Elizabethan English for "foreign", not Portuguese. The Native Americans claimed no relationship, couldn't understand their language, and their dwellings were often made of stone, and had unusual shaped windows. It has been hypothesized that they were either from the "lost colony of the English" or were put ashore from a Spanish ship of exploration, and intermarried with the Native Americans. They weren't truly black, their lips were thin, and they had a few unusual physical characteristics (which many of us have even after 4 centuries or more). For more info, you can either contact me directly, or type the word "Melungeon" into any search engine, and come up with a number of interesting sites. Mike IBSSG > [Original Message] > From: Ava Fischer <res0f1lp@verizon.net> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 5/6/2002 6:43:13 PM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: [BS-L] Grandpa Lied > > What is Melugeons? > Whitewolf > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shuler Michael" <grinch42@mindspring.com> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 4:35 PM > Subject: [BSChat] Re: [BS-L] Grandpa Lied > > > > > > With the backgrounds you & Edrie furnished, Jan, I wouldn't be one bit > > surprised if you discovered that the Hardin bunch was Melungeon...they > sure > > sound a lot like some of my ancestors (and, as I've said before, I have > the > > Melungeons on BOTH sides!). > > > > Mike > > IBSSG > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > > > To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Date: 5/6/2002 6:06:00 PM > > > Subject: Re: [BS-L] Grandpa Lied > > > > > > > > > Edire, that makes a lot of sense. Seems like most of the "removals" were > > > done by 1833, and the land was pretty well handed out to settlers by > 1835. > > > > > > You got me to thinking about my Hardin cousins. One of them married Alex > > > Shaw, the Irish immigrant whose property was next to the reservation. > The > > > Hardins, family of Sukie Hardin--Alex' wife, lived in Franklin Co. GA, > > right > > > on the border with SC. But, they weren't Cherokee, near as I can tell, I > > did > > > some checking today. They later moved to TX, most because they wanted > to, > > > three because they were running from a murder conviction, but that's > > another > > > story. > > > > > > Jan G. > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: "Edrie Broughton" <etfoam@inreach.com> > > > Reply-To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > > > To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [BS-L] Grandpa Lied > > > Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 13:42:35 -0700 > > > > > > The rest of the Dorsey researchers and I have kicked that around. David > > > Dorsey we don't think was Indian or Melungeon but think that Mary Martin > > may > > > very well have been. Sarah must have had a dark complexion to have the > > > Black Dutch explanation used for her at least to her children or > > > grandchildren. The chart says that she was born of German parents and > > > brought as a very young child. Her husband having been German, probably > > > with the appropriate accent may have helped the fiction. When asked on > > > Census reports however she said she was born in SC and parents born in > NC. > > > David and Mary Martin Dorsey came south out of Macon County, NC to > > Pendleton > > > district SC, then on to Habersham (later White Co.), GA. They must have > > > maintained ties in both NC and SC because their children bounced back > and > > > forth. All these areas were strongly Cherokee. Since the removals > began > > > when Mary and David were doing all this moving, I suspect they were > > avoiding > > > the Army. > > > > > > EdrieAnne IBSSG > > > > > > > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > > > --- > > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted > by > > > each individual submitter. > > > > > > The Blacksheep Message boards are at: > > > > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.organizations.blac > > ksheep > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go > > > to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > > > ~~~~ > > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted > by > > each individual submitter. > > > > > > http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/mia.html > > > This is the POW/MIA Links and Database. > > > A complete list by Service Branch of POW/MIA/KIAs in Vietnam is here. > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > --- Shuler Michael > > --- grinch42@mindspring.com > > --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. 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Thank you. I will Whitewolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shuler Michael" <grinch42@mindspring.com> To: "Ava Fischer" <res0f1lp@verizon.net>; "BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L" <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: [BS-L] Grandpa Lied > Well, Ava, Melungeon is classified as tri-racial (part European, part > Native American, part either North African or from the Turkish Plateau > known as Anatolia). They were first discovered in North American during > the VERY early English explorations into the interior. When discovered, > they spoke a very poor version of Elizabethan English, and claimed to be > "Portugee" which was Elizabethan English for "foreign", not Portuguese. > The Native Americans claimed no relationship, couldn't understand their > language, and their dwellings were often made of stone, and had unusual > shaped windows. It has been hypothesized that they were either from the > "lost colony of the English" or were put ashore from a Spanish ship of > exploration, and intermarried with the Native Americans. They weren't > truly black, their lips were thin, and they had a few unusual physical > characteristics (which many of us have even after 4 centuries or more). > For more info, you can either contact me directly, or type the word > "Melungeon" into any search engine, and come up with a number of > interesting sites. > > Mike > IBSSG > > > [Original Message] > > From: Ava Fischer <res0f1lp@verizon.net> > > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Date: 5/6/2002 6:43:13 PM > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: [BS-L] Grandpa Lied > > > > What is Melugeons? > > Whitewolf > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Shuler Michael" <grinch42@mindspring.com> > > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 4:35 PM > > Subject: [BSChat] Re: [BS-L] Grandpa Lied > > > > > > > > > > With the backgrounds you & Edrie furnished, Jan, I wouldn't be one bit > > > surprised if you discovered that the Hardin bunch was Melungeon...they > > sure > > > sound a lot like some of my ancestors (and, as I've said before, I have > > the > > > Melungeons on BOTH sides!). > > > > > > Mike > > > IBSSG > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > > > > To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Date: 5/6/2002 6:06:00 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [BS-L] Grandpa Lied > > > > > > > > > > > > Edire, that makes a lot of sense. Seems like most of the "removals" > were > > > > done by 1833, and the land was pretty well handed out to settlers by > > 1835. > > > > > > > > You got me to thinking about my Hardin cousins. One of them married > Alex > > > > Shaw, the Irish immigrant whose property was next to the reservation. > > The > > > > Hardins, family of Sukie Hardin--Alex' wife, lived in Franklin Co. GA, > > > right > > > > on the border with SC. But, they weren't Cherokee, near as I can > tell, I > > > did > > > > some checking today. They later moved to TX, most because they wanted > > to, > > > > three because they were running from a murder conviction, but that's > > > another > > > > story. > > > > > > > > Jan G. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > From: "Edrie Broughton" <etfoam@inreach.com> > > > > Reply-To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > > > > To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Subject: Re: [BS-L] Grandpa Lied > > > > Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 13:42:35 -0700 > > > > > > > > The rest of the Dorsey researchers and I have kicked that around. > David > > > > Dorsey we don't think was Indian or Melungeon but think that Mary > Martin > > > may > > > > very well have been. Sarah must have had a dark complexion to have > the > > > > Black Dutch explanation used for her at least to her children or > > > > grandchildren. The chart says that she was born of German parents and > > > > brought as a very young child. Her husband having been German, > probably > > > > with the appropriate accent may have helped the fiction. When asked > on > > > > Census reports however she said she was born in SC and parents born in > > NC. > > > > David and Mary Martin Dorsey came south out of Macon County, NC to > > > Pendleton > > > > district SC, then on to Habersham (later White Co.), GA. They must > have > > > > maintained ties in both NC and SC because their children bounced back > > and > > > > forth. All these areas were strongly Cherokee. Since the removals > > began > > > > when Mary and David were doing all this moving, I suspect they were > > > avoiding > > > > the Army. > > > > > > > > EdrieAnne IBSSG > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > > > > --- > > > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted > > by > > > > each individual submitter. > > > > > > > > The Blacksheep Message boards are at: > > > > > > > > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.organizations.blac > > > ksheep > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > > go > > > > to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > > > > ~~~~ > > > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted > > by > > > each individual submitter. > > > > > > > > http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/mia.html > > > > This is the POW/MIA Links and Database. > > > > A complete list by Service Branch of POW/MIA/KIAs in Vietnam is here. > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Shuler Michael > > > --- grinch42@mindspring.com > > > --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. 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