Cammie, I'm glad to hear that your local sheriff hasn't been sensitive to the threats of lawsuits for publishing the lists. I see that threat as the biggest problem right now. And it's amazing to me that the law enforcement people would rather cave in to that perceived threat than comply with a national law--Megan's Law. I really believe that if it went to court, that Megan's law would stand and that it would be legal to publish the complete data on the net or anywhere else. The convicts are felons, who, theoretically, have been stripped of their rights. And their offense is one for which there is no cure, so the public will always be in danger from them, as long as they are alive and outside of prison. I'd think that someone in law enforcement would welcome the lawsuit, just to get this settled. Perhaps what is needed is a referendum in each state on the one specific issue, publication of the name and address of the convicted molesters. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Telecom Girl" <telecomgirl911@hotmail.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 08:12:04 -0500 There was recently an interview on one of the news magazine shows of a convicted child molester. He will be getting out in the next few years - even if he is not paroled. He said - "I am afraid I will do this again. I don't know how to deal with the lust I feel for children. I should not be allowed back into society. " What can we do about this man, and others - they have served their time, but their problem is psychological - prison time does not abate their desire for sexual contact with children. If more people went to the local police department, with a list of people - a long list, and asked about all of them, eventually the list of offenders would be posted somewhere - police departments can not hire someone to just stand there and tell people if someone is a registered sex offender or not. Encourage your neighbors to call their local "Community Policing" department and see what they plan on doing to keep your community safe, or call the Chief of Police, or the Mayor, go to the elected official who appoints your police chief or sheriff and let them know this is important. This is why our county publishes the list quarterly in the paper. Because they got tired of listening to us - we ELECT our Sheriff, he did not want the bad publicity, so we get a published list in addition to the State run website. Cammie ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > Hi Mike > > No problem, and I do know what you mean. But, rape doesn't always happen > with a male body part. That's why castration (surgical or chemical) doesn't > help. You never know what new idea they'll want to try. I don't know how old > a man has to be before he's not considered a threat anymore, or what > disability there would have to be. > > I don't want to support the perverts in a jail or hospital either, > lobotomized or not. But, unless they kill someone, our laws don't presently > allow us to kill them. So--what to do? They get out in 5-15 years as it > stands. Sometimes less. And if we don't know who they are and where they > are, they keep doing what they've done. > > Ja ng. > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Shuler Michael" <grinch42@mindspring.com> > Reply-To: grinch42@mindspring.com > To: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 17:42:58 -0500 > > Jan, while I certainly see the point you're making (and have no > disagreement with it), I'm going to stick my opinion in just as something > to chew on... > There is not SATISFACTORY cure for pedophiles, since we're talking > orientation modification, and the only way I can think of to affect that > would be a partial lobotomy. Which, of course, would render the offender > incapable of endangering mankind, but would also relegate the individual to > be a ward of the state for the remainder of their lives. I don't know > about Ms Garland, but I certainly wouldn't wish to support that slime > forever! > Since I speak from the prospective of someone who got their psychological > training in the ministry, I'm undoubtedly slanted toward that point of > view, but I would think that as they age the male molesters in particular > would prove to be less of a threat due to physical limitations due to their > longevity. This does not mean that I think they should wander the streets > with other people to whom they might be a danger, I just have to believe > (maybe because I can't look on humans as inherently evil) that at some time > in their dotage they would be rendered physically incapable of doing harm. > Child molestation is certainly a concern for me, as well as anyone else, > since I have 8 grandchildren, and will soon have ggrandchildren, in > addition. > You needn't respond to this if you don't wish...I just feel the need to > vent sometimes ;-). > > > Mike > IBSSG > > > > [Original Message] > > From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Date: 5/14/2002 4:09:18 PM > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > > > > > > > Jeff, I know that all states have not been as cooperative as the law > > intended. But some have and it's worth looking into on the net to see if > > it's there first. If not, then I guess one would have to got to the > > authorities for a list and locations. > > > > As a side note, in CA, when a home sells, there are required disclosures > > about the presence of known child molesters. > > > > At places on line you can give your zip code and a search is done to tell > > you the number of convicted offenders are living in that zip code. But it > > doesn't give names. > > > > There was a committee that pushed through Megan's Law. I would hope that > > those dedicated people would be willing to continue that organization as > a > > non-profit agency, acquiring and posting on the net the names and > locations > > of convicted child molesters. I wonder if they have a website or if the > > group still exists in some capacity. > > > > Since this perversion is not curable, I don't see how the public can be > > protected unless they either keep the convicts in prison for life or tell > us > > who they are so we can be aware of who our neighbors are. If this makes > life > > difficult for the molesters, so be it. It's the choice they made when > they > > started hurting kids. I'm not in favor of doing doing personal harm to > the > > perverts. Just keeping the kids away from them and making sure the kids > know > > who they need to avoid and which homes and cars to never go into. > > > > Jan g. > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: ScismGenie@aol.com > > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:09:12 EDT > > > > In a message dated 5/14/2002 10:49:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > > > Jack, you might want to check again on that. "Megan's Law" (federal) > was > > > passed about 5 or so years ago to make that information available, > > > especially on the internet, where it's easy to reach. > > > > > > > The Flaw in Megan's Law is that it says that "law enforcement officials > will > > make information available" NOT that they have to make it READILY > > available. > > Most jurisdictions take the vioew that if you come in to the station and > ask > > about a particular PERSON, then they will say yes or no. That isn't the > > INTENT of the law, but it is how it is interpreted by th police > departments, > > who were forced to do this, but not funded to do it. > > > > Some "civil rights" groups are trying (sometimes successfully) to block > > puvblishing of the whole list, it was PULLED from the internet in > > California, > > which is the State where Megan was abducted. (Where were these lawyers > when > > the victim's rights were violated?) > > > > Check on the internet for "Megan's Law" and see what is happening > > nationally. > > > > > > Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) > > ~~ > > Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site > > Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b > Site > > manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: > > B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, > E n > > d i c o t t, > > S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. 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Jan G. I have trouble believing that we are so scared of lawsuits that we wouldn't publish information about dangerous people. My husband is from a small town in Iowa - and there - any arrest is published in the paper. Everything - domestic violence, DUI, public nuisance, it all gets printed there within a week, and all your neighbors read about why you were arrested. This information is printed before a conviction! Anyone who thinks that it is a problem to let communities know that there are felons in their neighborhood needs to understand that these are people who have lost their right to vote!! If we have deemed them so socially outcast that they can't vote, why shouldn't people be warned that they are there!! Have you seen the signs near parks and neighborhoods - Caution deaf children at play or blind children at play how about a sign - caution convicted sex offender at large! ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > Cammie, I'm glad to hear that your local sheriff hasn't been sensitive to > the threats of lawsuits for publishing the lists. I see that threat as the > biggest problem right now. And it's amazing to me that the law enforcement > people would rather cave in to that perceived threat than comply with a > national law--Megan's Law. > > I really believe that if it went to court, that Megan's law would stand and > that it would be legal to publish the complete data on the net or anywhere > else. The convicts are felons, who, theoretically, have been stripped of > their rights. And their offense is one for which there is no cure, so the > public will always be in danger from them, as long as they are alive and > outside of prison. I'd think that someone in law enforcement would welcome > the lawsuit, just to get this settled. Perhaps what is needed is a > referendum in each state on the one specific issue, publication of the name > and address of the convicted molesters. > > Jan G. > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Telecom Girl" <telecomgirl911@hotmail.com> > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 08:12:04 -0500 > > There was recently an interview on one of the news magazine shows of a > convicted child molester. He will be getting out in the next few years - > even if he is not paroled. > > He said - "I am afraid I will do this again. I don't know how to deal with > the lust I feel for children. I should not be allowed back into society. " > > What can we do about this man, and others - they have served their time, but > their problem is psychological - prison time does not abate their desire for > sexual contact with children. > > If more people went to the local police department, with a list of people - > a long list, and asked about all of them, eventually the list of offenders > would be posted somewhere - police departments can not hire someone to just > stand there and tell people if someone is a registered sex offender or not. > Encourage your neighbors to call their local "Community Policing" department > and see what they plan on doing to keep your community safe, or call the > Chief of Police, or the Mayor, go to the elected official who appoints your > police chief or sheriff and let them know this is important. > > This is why our county publishes the list quarterly in the paper. Because > they got tired of listening to us - we ELECT our Sheriff, he did not want > the bad publicity, so we get a published list in addition to the State run > website. > > Cammie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:53 PM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > > > > > Hi Mike > > > > No problem, and I do know what you mean. But, rape doesn't always happen > > with a male body part. That's why castration (surgical or chemical) > doesn't > > help. You never know what new idea they'll want to try. I don't know how > old > > a man has to be before he's not considered a threat anymore, or what > > disability there would have to be. > > > > I don't want to support the perverts in a jail or hospital either, > > lobotomized or not. But, unless they kill someone, our laws don't > presently > > allow us to kill them. So--what to do? They get out in 5-15 years as it > > stands. Sometimes less. And if we don't know who they are and where they > > are, they keep doing what they've done. > > > > Ja ng. > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "Shuler Michael" <grinch42@mindspring.com> > > Reply-To: grinch42@mindspring.com > > To: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 17:42:58 -0500 > > > > Jan, while I certainly see the point you're making (and have no > > disagreement with it), I'm going to stick my opinion in just as something > > to chew on... > > There is not SATISFACTORY cure for pedophiles, since we're talking > > orientation modification, and the only way I can think of to affect that > > would be a partial lobotomy. Which, of course, would render the offender > > incapable of endangering mankind, but would also relegate the individual > to > > be a ward of the state for the remainder of their lives. I don't know > > about Ms Garland, but I certainly wouldn't wish to support that slime > > forever! > > Since I speak from the prospective of someone who got their psychological > > training in the ministry, I'm undoubtedly slanted toward that point of > > view, but I would think that as they age the male molesters in particular > > would prove to be less of a threat due to physical limitations due to > their > > longevity. This does not mean that I think they should wander the > streets > > with other people to whom they might be a danger, I just have to believe > > (maybe because I can't look on humans as inherently evil) that at some > time > > in their dotage they would be rendered physically incapable of doing > harm. > > Child molestation is certainly a concern for me, as well as anyone else, > > since I have 8 grandchildren, and will soon have ggrandchildren, in > > addition. > > You needn't respond to this if you don't wish...I just feel the need to > > vent sometimes ;-). > > > > > > Mike > > IBSSG > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > > > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Date: 5/14/2002 4:09:18 PM > > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff, I know that all states have not been as cooperative as the law > > > intended. But some have and it's worth looking into on the net to see > if > > > it's there first. If not, then I guess one would have to got to the > > > authorities for a list and locations. > > > > > > As a side note, in CA, when a home sells, there are required > disclosures > > > about the presence of known child molesters. > > > > > > At places on line you can give your zip code and a search is done to > tell > > > you the number of convicted offenders are living in that zip code. But > it > > > doesn't give names. > > > > > > There was a committee that pushed through Megan's Law. I would hope > that > > > those dedicated people would be willing to continue that organization > as > > a > > > non-profit agency, acquiring and posting on the net the names and > > locations > > > of convicted child molesters. I wonder if they have a website or if > the > > > group still exists in some capacity. > > > > > > Since this perversion is not curable, I don't see how the public can > be > > > protected unless they either keep the convicts in prison for life or > tell > > us > > > who they are so we can be aware of who our neighbors are. If this > makes > > life > > > difficult for the molesters, so be it. It's the choice they made when > > they > > > started hurting kids. I'm not in favor of doing doing personal harm to > > the > > > perverts. Just keeping the kids away from them and making sure the > kids > > know > > > who they need to avoid and which homes and cars to never go into. > > > > > > Jan g. > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: ScismGenie@aol.com > > > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:09:12 EDT > > > > > > In a message dated 5/14/2002 10:49:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > Jack, you might want to check again on that. "Megan's Law" > (federal) > > was > > > > passed about 5 or so years ago to make that information available, > > > > especially on the internet, where it's easy to reach. > > > > > > > > > > The Flaw in Megan's Law is that it says that "law enforcement > officials > > will > > > make information available" NOT that they have to make it READILY > > > available. > > > Most jurisdictions take the vioew that if you come in to the station > and > > ask > > > about a particular PERSON, then they will say yes or no. That isn't > the > > > INTENT of the law, but it is how it is interpreted by th police > > departments, > > > who were forced to do this, but not funded to do it. > > > > > > Some "civil rights" groups are trying (sometimes successfully) to > block > > > puvblishing of the whole list, it was PULLED from the internet in > > > California, > > > which is the State where Megan was abducted. (Where were these lawyers > > when > > > the victim's rights were violated?) > > > > > > Check on the internet for "Megan's Law" and see what is happening > > > nationally. > > > > > > > > > Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) > > > ~~ > > > Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site > > > Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e > b > > Site > > > manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: > > > B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s > m, > > E n > > > d i c o t t, > > > S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. 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