Just to add a little "gravy" to the discussion regarding Maria Mathie, that last name is very close to a Germanic slang word meaning "small corpulent female". Don't suppose after all this time it would even be conceivable to determine her girth & height at her marriage. Could have been a case of disapproving in-laws. Mike IBSSG --- Shuler Michael --- grinch42@mindspring.com --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.