Jack, I don't know where that park is, how close, but I would probably not turn one of my kids loose to walk more than half a block to a park, and that can be too far. Parks are an ideal place for kids to get stolen, or walking to and from. I guess the way I'm thinking is, other than kids and their parents, who would gravitate towards a park with little kids? My kids played in front of our home or in the back yard, or at a friends' house. And if I knew someone's mom had tried to kill herself, my kids wouldn't be there. Next time, she may be successful and take a couple other people with her. 1. I wouldn't let her play with that girl, at all, ever. 2. Talk to the school, make sure they understand what you know about that other kid, more than just this cigarette instance, but they need to know that the little girl was at your home and probably planted them. Talking to the mom won't do any good. What ever mental problems she has appear to be spreading to the daughter, and what ever you say will probably just make life tougher for Kade at school. Looks to me like it's a safe bet that the mom and her daughter are going to have some interesting times in the future. I would n't want my kids to be a part of it. Jack, you need to MOVE!!! Jan g. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BSChat] UPSET PARENT Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:40:47 -0500 Perhaps some enlightened person can set me on the straight and narrow on something. Perhaps I am too involved to have an objective opinion. Two days ago my daughter Kade went to a park with two of her friends. They have a long standing rule that they are home by the time the street lights start popping on. Come dusk they aare still not home, so I called the mother of one of the other girls to see they were at her house. She said no, but she was on her way to park to pick them up and bring them home. I said, OK, since you're going I won't bother. Dusk turned to dark, so I drove to this woman's house to see if they had forgot to call me. She said her little girl was home, she had picked her up at the park , but that Kade and the other little girl were still at the park because they had told her they were not ready to go home yet, and by the way, I should check Kade's breath because her little girl told her Kade had gotten dead drunk on beer she got from some older kids at the park. I went to the park, picked up the two girls, smelled Kade's breath, no beer, she wasn't drunk, etc. From the story I heard fro! m Kade and the other girl, they had wanted to come home with the woman and her daughter, but the other girl hadn't wanted to leave the park, was mad because her mother had come to pick her up, called Kade and friend several choice nasty names, and had lied to her mother about Kade wanting to stay at the park. The next day this nasty talking little girl, age 8, goes to school and tells everyone that Kade was drunk at the park, and told the principal to check Kade's school bag, which is jam packed with various things. The principal collars Kade, searches her backpack and find three packs of my cigarettes in it. Kade swears up and down she did not put the cigarettes in there, and since we all know our children and know when they lying, I believe Kade. The nasty talking little girl had been at our house all weekend, by the way. The way I read it, the nasty little girl put the cigarettes in the bag, in an attempt to get Kade in trouble. This little girl is very disturbed, I have commented to my adult friends several times that I didn't think the child was wired right. This is the daughter of the woman who tried to kill herself a few weeks back by jumping off her second story balcony onto a patio. Anyway, here's where I am perplexed. Why did that woman leave two 9 year old girls alone in a park after dark ? Especially after she had been told, wrongly as it turns out, that one of them was drunk and around older guys ? I was so very tempted to call the police on the woman and have her charged with child endangerment, but I already have enough problems with these neighbors who think I am over protective. I just made the decision that we don't know this woman and her daughter any more, the child will not be in my house nor will Kade go to their house any more. Some people around me are faulting me for this stance, saying I am making a mountain out of a molehill. What do you folks think ? Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com is a wide spectrum Chat List, Topics allowed are almost anything.restrictions are: Political discussion, religious prosylitizing, and aggressive behavior, any of these topics will result in restricted priveleges. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com