Jack, Bottom line here is that it all boils down to who is the parent and who is the child, as in, who's in charge? Or *supposed* to be, anyway! The other parents that you describe are doing what I call 'lazy parenting' and letting the kids run the show by continually caving in to their kid's demands because it's just easier than sticking to their guns. The kid with the phone is the frosting on the cake. There's such a thing as time limits and/or their own phone line if she/he can't observe such a thing as common courtesy. I'm soooo thrilled that my kids are grown!!!! Best, SueB
Sue, >Bottom line here is that it all boils down to who is the parent and who is the child, as in, who's in charge? Or *supposed* to be, anyway!< When I have the Hi-fi on in my bedroom late at night and one of the "little darlings" appears and switches it off, saying "some of us are trying to sleep around here", I am not sure If I have got things right or not LOL Jack, girls are the worst for "trying it on" with the mouth, my daughter is exasperating sometimes, I am a big believer in explaining what a child can understand, tantrum kids should be shut away from the world, especially Damian and Lucifer (my names for them) my nephews, who are rude obnoxious and downright naughty and need a hell of a lot of discipline, my step brother and his wife just let the kids ride rough shod over them! to the point where folk are now asking them not to visit with the kids!!! I would be sooooo embarrased by that. there are of course the obvious exceptions, thus being children with some specific problem, but just downright obnoxious little louts are the pits, and they get worse as teenagers those types! At least you know the problem exists ths side of the pond too, its not a global thing, its a "western world" thing, too liberal and all that jazz. Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? ListAdmin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. No attachments sent without prior notification Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02