Whilst getting really ticked off with Nebuchanezzer i thought I wiould attack another line see what gives on it as I have a marriage certificate to work from, WOW, I have just leapt 4 generations back! only a genealogist thinks a step backwars is progress so they say LOL, all I have to do now is check the details on the St catherines index of BMD, then off to the records office for confirmation from Parish records, once I have got things sorted around here (having to re-decorate due to the flood etc) I am gonna set myself the target of buying a marraige certificate each week, for the direct lines and then the accompanying birth and death certificates, I have a few, and photocopies of some too, but genie without documents of your own is only theory, so they say. Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms has Ties At The Back? List Admin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Attachments are not enclosed unless previously notified My AVG is updated every 24 hours Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02