"J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> wrote.... > Sue, yes, I've heard that one too. I think Fords have been called quite a few names. lol< For what it's worth, I really enjoyed my old Ford cargo van when I had it. Got a real deal on it, buying it from a friend of my dad's and it only had about 600 miles on it when it came to us and ended up with about 175,000 with no work on the motor! Best, SueB