They do the same thing in Stanwood, WA Whitewolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Telecom Girl" <telecomgirl911@hotmail.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > Jan G. > > I have trouble believing that we are so scared of lawsuits that we wouldn't > publish information about dangerous people. > My husband is from a small town in Iowa - and there - any arrest is > published in the paper. Everything - domestic violence, DUI, public > nuisance, it all gets printed there within a week, and all your neighbors > read about why you were arrested. This information is printed before a > conviction! Anyone who thinks that it is a problem to let communities know > that there are felons in their neighborhood needs to understand that these > are people who have lost their right to vote!! If we have deemed them so > socially outcast that they can't vote, why shouldn't people be warned that > they are there!! > > Have you seen the signs near parks and neighborhoods - Caution deaf children > at play or blind children at play how about a sign - caution convicted sex > offender at large! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:00 PM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > > > > > Cammie, I'm glad to hear that your local sheriff hasn't been sensitive to > > the threats of lawsuits for publishing the lists. I see that threat as the > > biggest problem right now. And it's amazing to me that the law enforcement > > people would rather cave in to that perceived threat than comply with a > > national law--Megan's Law. > > > > I really believe that if it went to court, that Megan's law would stand > and > > that it would be legal to publish the complete data on the net or anywhere > > else. The convicts are felons, who, theoretically, have been stripped of > > their rights. And their offense is one for which there is no cure, so the > > public will always be in danger from them, as long as they are alive and > > outside of prison. I'd think that someone in law enforcement would welcome > > the lawsuit, just to get this settled. Perhaps what is needed is a > > referendum in each state on the one specific issue, publication of the > name > > and address of the convicted molesters. > > > > Jan G. > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "Telecom Girl" <telecomgirl911@hotmail.com> > > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 08:12:04 -0500 > > > > There was recently an interview on one of the news magazine shows of a > > convicted child molester. He will be getting out in the next few years - > > even if he is not paroled. > > > > He said - "I am afraid I will do this again. I don't know how to deal with > > the lust I feel for children. I should not be allowed back into society. " > > > > What can we do about this man, and others - they have served their time, > but > > their problem is psychological - prison time does not abate their desire > for > > sexual contact with children. > > > > If more people went to the local police department, with a list of > people - > > a long list, and asked about all of them, eventually the list of offenders > > would be posted somewhere - police departments can not hire someone to > just > > stand there and tell people if someone is a registered sex offender or > not. > > Encourage your neighbors to call their local "Community Policing" > department > > and see what they plan on doing to keep your community safe, or call the > > Chief of Police, or the Mayor, go to the elected official who appoints > your > > police chief or sheriff and let them know this is important. > > > > This is why our county publishes the list quarterly in the paper. Because > > they got tired of listening to us - we ELECT our Sheriff, he did not want > > the bad publicity, so we get a published list in addition to the State run > > website. > > > > Cammie > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:53 PM > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mike > > > > > > No problem, and I do know what you mean. But, rape doesn't always > happen > > > with a male body part. That's why castration (surgical or chemical) > > doesn't > > > help. You never know what new idea they'll want to try. I don't know > how > > old > > > a man has to be before he's not considered a threat anymore, or what > > > disability there would have to be. > > > > > > I don't want to support the perverts in a jail or hospital either, > > > lobotomized or not. But, unless they kill someone, our laws don't > > presently > > > allow us to kill them. So--what to do? They get out in 5-15 years as it > > > stands. Sometimes less. And if we don't know who they are and where > they > > > are, they keep doing what they've done. > > > > > > Ja ng. > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: "Shuler Michael" <grinch42@mindspring.com> > > > Reply-To: grinch42@mindspring.com > > > To: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 17:42:58 -0500 > > > > > > Jan, while I certainly see the point you're making (and have no > > > disagreement with it), I'm going to stick my opinion in just as > something > > > to chew on... > > > There is not SATISFACTORY cure for pedophiles, since we're talking > > > orientation modification, and the only way I can think of to affect > that > > > would be a partial lobotomy. Which, of course, would render the > offender > > > incapable of endangering mankind, but would also relegate the > individual > > to > > > be a ward of the state for the remainder of their lives. I don't know > > > about Ms Garland, but I certainly wouldn't wish to support that slime > > > forever! > > > Since I speak from the prospective of someone who got their > psychological > > > training in the ministry, I'm undoubtedly slanted toward that point of > > > view, but I would think that as they age the male molesters in > particular > > > would prove to be less of a threat due to physical limitations due to > > their > > > longevity. This does not mean that I think they should wander the > > streets > > > with other people to whom they might be a danger, I just have to > believe > > > (maybe because I can't look on humans as inherently evil) that at some > > time > > > in their dotage they would be rendered physically incapable of doing > > harm. > > > Child molestation is certainly a concern for me, as well as anyone > else, > > > since I have 8 grandchildren, and will soon have ggrandchildren, in > > > addition. > > > You needn't respond to this if you don't wish...I just feel the need to > > > vent sometimes ;-). > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > IBSSG > > > > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > > > > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Date: 5/14/2002 4:09:18 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff, I know that all states have not been as cooperative as the law > > > > intended. But some have and it's worth looking into on the net to > see > > if > > > > it's there first. If not, then I guess one would have to got to the > > > > authorities for a list and locations. > > > > > > > > As a side note, in CA, when a home sells, there are required > > disclosures > > > > about the presence of known child molesters. > > > > > > > > At places on line you can give your zip code and a search is done to > > tell > > > > you the number of convicted offenders are living in that zip code. > But > > it > > > > doesn't give names. > > > > > > > > There was a committee that pushed through Megan's Law. I would hope > > that > > > > those dedicated people would be willing to continue that > organization > > as > > > a > > > > non-profit agency, acquiring and posting on the net the names and > > > locations > > > > of convicted child molesters. I wonder if they have a website or if > > the > > > > group still exists in some capacity. > > > > > > > > Since this perversion is not curable, I don't see how the public can > > be > > > > protected unless they either keep the convicts in prison for life or > > tell > > > us > > > > who they are so we can be aware of who our neighbors are. If this > > makes > > > life > > > > difficult for the molesters, so be it. It's the choice they made > when > > > they > > > > started hurting kids. I'm not in favor of doing doing personal harm > to > > > the > > > > perverts. Just keeping the kids away from them and making sure the > > kids > > > know > > > > who they need to avoid and which homes and cars to never go into. > > > > > > > > Jan g. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > From: ScismGenie@aol.com > > > > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > > > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Subject: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > > > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:09:12 EDT > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/14/2002 10:49:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jack, you might want to check again on that. "Megan's Law" > > (federal) > > > was > > > > > passed about 5 or so years ago to make that information > available, > > > > > especially on the internet, where it's easy to reach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Flaw in Megan's Law is that it says that "law enforcement > > officials > > > will > > > > make information available" NOT that they have to make it READILY > > > > available. > > > > Most jurisdictions take the vioew that if you come in to the station > > and > > > ask > > > > about a particular PERSON, then they will say yes or no. That isn't > > the > > > > INTENT of the law, but it is how it is interpreted by th police > > > departments, > > > > who were forced to do this, but not funded to do it. > > > > > > > > Some "civil rights" groups are trying (sometimes successfully) to > > block > > > > puvblishing of the whole list, it was PULLED from the internet in > > > > California, > > > > which is the State where Megan was abducted. (Where were these > lawyers > > > when > > > > the victim's rights were violated?) > > > > > > > > Check on the internet for "Megan's Law" and see what is happening > > > > nationally. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) > > > > ~~ > > > > Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site > > > > Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W > e > > b > > > Site > > > > manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: > > > > B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i > s > > m, > > > E n > > > > d i c o t t, > > > > S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. 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