I'm answering this on chat, before Jeff or Sue tells me to. Whitewolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadlock" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [BS-L] Monuments > okay everybody-----you know you have had the experiences so share em! > I too have dreams, have always been raised to pay attention to em and the > 'gut feelings' I had. Saved my life once in fact. > I was raised to believe that we have protective spirits and impish ones and > to take heed. > Once, I had deliberately lied to my mom about where I was going and who I > was with. > We drove into a lake (dark nite LOL). > 2 am on a dirt road in the wilderness. > Then, believe me or not, makes no difference to me, two headlights appeared > and it was a kid about our age driving his dads tow truck home! > Mom knew tho.......shes spooky like that. > I know when my kids are in trouble, sick or frightened or lying. > They think I am spooky LOL! > But they know if an owl is where he normally wouldn't be , behaving like he > normally wouldn't .....well..... > Dad got along with animals, young children and old people. > They were just drawn to him. He could tell if a person was trustworthy or > not in a few short minutes and never be able to tell you why. > My great grandmother in Ireland used to tell a story about her grandmother. > She was walkin down the road when the 'divil' appeared before her and she > banished him with holy water and he never crossed her path again. > Now, that one is a bit far out but fun to talk about LOL! > Man , I have a ton of stories, some first hand and some passed on. > The ones from those passed on mean the most to me. > Our adopted Creek / Choctaw family, share a great deal and also have smudged > the house for us (before we moved in). > We sit unto the wee hours of the morning swapping tales and beliefs. > Truly wonderful exchanges. > Evie > > The week before my dad passed, my mom saw an owl, rather oversized and on > the ground. She swears it had human eyes and told me someone was going to > die. > She had predicted my paternal grandfathers death in the same way but this > time Creator spared her the 'who' of things. > I think it was best in this case. > When I last saw my grandfather, Col.Carter H. Johnson, I knew it was the > last time I would see him and he knew as well-all without one word being > spoken. > After he passed, ( I was the one to receive the news and tell my > parents-really hard), he would visit in my dreams just to check in and let > me know he was fine. > Always without words but very clear in intent. > When I got married, he came one last time and I haven't seen him since. > Then my mother in law passed, native american and gorgeous. > I had lost faith and prayed hard one night asking Creator if there was > anything after this life. > My mother in law (in my dream) knocked on my door and told me she had only a > little time to visit but that she came to tell me that after this, there is > still work to do. > That dream ended looking out the end of the corridor of the hospital where I > worked , and through a window was a mountain. The sky was gray and laden > with clouds hanging to the tip of the mountain and atop was a magnificent > steed, all white, rared on two legs and head touching the bottom of the > cloud and then boom......I was awake. > And I was stunned and overwhelmed. > I cannot tell you in real words what that meant to me and why. > It is on some level personal but on another to be discovered. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jinnye Koons" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 3:48 PM > Subject: Re: [BS-L] Monuments > > > > > > I totally believe in things that are unexplainable, like that. I won't > begin to tell you all the supernatural experiences that I, myself have had. > I, too am of Scots-Irish descent with a little Creek Indian thrown in, just > for good measure. One example of a premonition that I had, was a dream I had > that my favorite paternal great aunt (who was just like another grandmother) > had been killed in a car accident. I dreamed that one of my male cousins > from my mother's side of the family was at the scene of the accident. It > happened in a few days, just exactly the way I dreamed it. My cousin was the > first one to come upon the one-car accident scene. Jinnye > > shadlock wrote:My husbands great uncle was a white 'back woods' boy who > believed in omens > > and signs. > > Tale has it that he could stop bleeding of people and farm animals just by > > thinking about them when he was notified of their plight. > > They also say he could predict death and once saw a coffin rise off a > > buckboard all by its lonesome at its approach of the deceaseds' house. > > Now he was of scots/irish origin (as am I) so this does not suprise me. > > I have recently come across a 'cousin' who is related to this side. > > I asked her about it and she said the whole family could see spirits. > > Now mind you, they lived far away from cities and towns so I guess they > had > > to learn to develop other abilities. > > But I was raised with omens and signs, so is easy for me to understand > many > > indigenous religions and beliefs. > > The fact I married a part native who practices traditionally was easy for > > me. > > Befuzzles the church community tho! > > Heck, I go to church too........ > > But I also do sweats as do my kids. They have since they were 4. All girls > > and really in tune with things. > > On the day my dad died, my middle child suddenly stopped sobbing, she was > > very young. > > I thought she had fallen asleep. > > She in fact had felt my dad pat her on the back to console her and that > was > > that. > > When we went to the funeral home to full dads casket with all of his > > favorite goodies for the journey, we passed an object, metal , that my > > husband said would have pleased my dad to find. > > When we reached the other side of the street, a very small one, one way, > we > > turned and it was just gone. > > Guess Papa found it. > > That was the day of the funeral and it was then that a peace came over me > > and the idea to do his eulogy came into my mind. > > He had a medicine bag too, btw...... > > The words just came and to this day, I cannot tell you what I said but > musta > > been great when the preacher was amening all over the place. > > There are more things in heaven and earth................. > > I guess the point is, at some point in the ancestry of our families, there > > was a form of reading signs, omens, telling myths and passing down > cultural > > beliefs. > > In all of our families. > > White, Red, Black, Brown, Yellow and in between......there is an inherent > > cultural spiritualism that co-links with all peoples. > > We are all related. > > p.s. > > Didn't the Dutch have what they called the Pow Wow Man who was like a > shaman > > of sorts??????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 12:54 PM > > Subject: Re: [BS-L] Monuments > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/20/02 10:05:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > [email protected] writes: > > > > > > > > > > Heck no it isn't wierd! > > > > We do medicine bags round here! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yup. If not for his predominantly white heritage, my grandpa would have > > > been considered a shaman of sorts. He showed me his medicine bag once. > > He > > > never showed me what was inside, but that he showed it at all was some > > pretty > > > strong medicine! It mean that he trusted me and expected great things of > > me. > > > I have tried not to disappoint him too badly... > > > > > > Calvin B. Littlefield, IBSSG > > > > > > All have greatness within them. 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