In a message dated 9/5/02 2:47:05 PM, [email protected] writes: << Whether it is from "The dark side" or not didn't get into it, although I am sure some thought it witchcraft. >> Witchcraft or not.....it surely saved me a bundle of money when we had a leak in an underground return line to the pool. With the rods, I found the leak in a short time and saved having to tear out all the landscaping and decking searching for a leak. It turned out to be a pvc elbow that had not been installed properly and over the years split and started to leak. Hah! Just had a thought.... Does this now make ME a Blacksheep? <vbg> Patricia