holey schmoley, ARKANSAS!!!!!!!! well theres your problem LOL! I am in Oklahoma and lived in Ark..........them southern cookers are tuff!!!!!! That has taken the place of moonshine of old in them thar hills!!!!!! My mom lives in ARk and is retired from the sheriffs dept. juvenile deliqency ...............she can tell some stories!!!! there are some pretty places there that most folks don't ever think of but when you get around the outskirts of town it can get iffy in some places! Same here too! It gets down right scary at sak and save on the first of the month!!!!!! LOL! It is everywhere tho......... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jinnye Nobles Koons" <Jinnye@centurytel.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] family probs. > > E.T., Thank you so much. My heart goes out to you also. We intend to > resolve this as soon as we possibly can by moving away from here. We > presently are living in Randolph Co., Ar., which is my husband's native > county and state. Jinnye > -------Original Message------- > > From: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 04:58:19 > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BSChat] family probs. > > Jinnye, > I hope those difficulties are resolved quickly for you. Family probs are > awful. We have been thru divorce and suicide so I can relate. May God give > you strength and guidance. Love, E T. > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb > com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > . > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Rhonda, Thank you so much. It means the world to know that we have friends out there who are holding us up in their hearts, thoughts, and prayers. Jinnye -------Original Message------- From: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, June 09, 2003 09:25:56 To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] good vibes Jinnye I am sorry to hear this. My thoughts and prayers are with you. rhonda Walelu Kanogisdi Sometimes dreams are wiser than waking Black Elk ~~ 1863- 1950 http://www.picturetrail.com/hummingbirdsings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jinnye Nobles Koons" <Jinnye@centurytel.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 1:47 AM Subject: [BSChat] good vibes > Sheepers, Please send out all the good vibes, positive thoughts, prayers, etc. that you can muster for my husband David and me. We are in the middle of a big family battle. David's brother James has been cooking meth and dealing drugs ever since we moved here one year ago. We've tried to get help from his parents and they have demanded that we get out of this house that we were buying from them. There's a lot more to this. We've been harrassed constantly. We are moving and will be so glad to be away from this, but we surely do need all the good wishes that you can send our way. Thank you so much. Jinnye Koons > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 .

Sue B., Thanks. Yes, away sounds like a really great place to be right now. We don't plan to tell many people where we're going. Fortunately, my dad is here right now to give us a little moral support. My niece is getting married on June 14th and my mother and brother will also be coming for the wedding. I couldn't agree more with the things you said. My sentiments exactly. Jinnye -------Original Message------- From: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, June 09, 2003 12:12:19 To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] good vibes >Sheepers, Please send out all the good vibes, positive thoughts, prayers, etc. that you can muster for my husband David and me. We are in the middle of a big family battle. David's brother James has been cooking meth and dealing drugs ever since we moved here one year ago. We've tried to get help from his parents and they have demanded that we get out of this house that we were buying from them.< Jinnye, Sending as much positive energy your way as I can muster. You're in a bad situation there, for sure, and AWAY sounds like a good place to go. Honestly, while his parents may not be actively encouraging James in his illegal activities, they serve as 'enablers' for him to do what he's doing, from what you've indicated. Don't worry, James will get his on down the line especially if he's using his own recipe, and may end up taking the folks with him if the law catches up to him. Hang in there, gal, and get thee from that place asap!!! Best, SueB ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 .

Pamela, Thank you. We think we'll probably move to S. Ga. That is where I am originally from and my parents and brother live there. I have lots of extended family and friends already there. We've lived there before and really did like it. Jinnye -------Original Message------- From: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, June 09, 2003 12:24:42 To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] good vibes Jinnye, So sorry. My prayers are with you. Please let us know where you land. Are you trying to stay in the area or completely move away? Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jinnye Nobles Koons" <Jinnye@centurytel.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 11:47 PM Subject: [BSChat] good vibes > Sheepers, Please send out all the good vibes, positive thoughts, prayers, etc. that you can muster for my husband David and me. We are in the middle of a big family battle. David's brother James has been cooking meth and dealing drugs ever since we moved here one year ago. We've tried to get help from his parents and they have demanded that we get out of this house that we were buying from them. There's a lot more to this. We've been harrassed constantly. We are moving and will be so glad to be away from this, but we surely do need all the good wishes that you can send our way. Thank you so much. Jinnye Koons > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 .

Evie, I hate that your friend is experiencing this also. I surely will include her in my prayers. I love the things that you said. Yes, I truly believe that peace will come, in fact I already feel a strange peace, just from having took a stand for the right. I keep telling my son and my husband that it may look like they have wo and we have lost, but if we make it out of here in one piece and under our own steam, we have really won. They'll get what's coming to them and we won't have to do a thing, but just stand back and wait and watch! Jinnye -------Original Message------- From: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, June 09, 2003 20:59:10 To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] good vibes Jinnye, my best friend (and boss) is going thru the same thing. she is trying her best to rise above this, keep her kids away from it and somehow her family manages to bring it to her doorstep. yesterday she was asked by her sister to check on her niece, as she drove up to the house a police car was also arriving, a cousin was trying to force her way in to another cousins house. when my friend , who was the auntie of the two involved was seen she was asked for help with the police. My friend not knowing what was going on found out the girl she was speaking with had a warrant out and she refused to intervene with the officer. the niece threatened her and tried to guilt her. She responded with ........."I am tired of my family embarrassing me and acknowledging me only when they want help. I punch a clock for a living and do so legally, had you chosen to do the same you wouldn't be in this situation ", she is now officially disowned, all members are angry with her and she is the only one who didn't commit a crime. But her point is well made. Choices. Now that they are mad, she has some peace and quiet , and she has needed that for a long time. Out of chaos comes order, and things fall apart so that things can fall together.. THis will pass. Be safe, Be smart and be strong. It will be fine. evie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jinnye Nobles Koons" <Jinnye@centurytel.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 1:47 AM Subject: [BSChat] good vibes > Sheepers, Please send out all the good vibes, positive thoughts, prayers, etc. that you can muster for my husband David and me. We are in the middle of a big family battle. David's brother James has been cooking meth and dealing drugs ever since we moved here one year ago. We've tried to get help from his parents and they have demanded that we get out of this house that we were buying from them. There's a lot more to this. We've been harrassed constantly. We are moving and will be so glad to be away from this, but we surely do need all the good wishes that you can send our way. Thank you so much. Jinnye Koons > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 .

E.T., Thank you so much. My heart goes out to you also. We intend to resolve this as soon as we possibly can by moving away from here. We presently are living in Randolph Co., Ar., which is my husband's native county and state. Jinnye -------Original Message------- From: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 04:58:19 To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BSChat] family probs. Jinnye, I hope those difficulties are resolved quickly for you. Family probs are awful. We have been thru divorce and suicide so I can relate. May God give you strength and guidance. Love, E T. ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 .

Jinnye, I hope those difficulties are resolved quickly for you. Family probs are awful. We have been thru divorce and suicide so I can relate. May God give you strength and guidance. Love, E T.

Jinnye, my best friend (and boss) is going thru the same thing. she is trying her best to rise above this, keep her kids away from it and somehow her family manages to bring it to her doorstep. yesterday she was asked by her sister to check on her niece, as she drove up to the house a police car was also arriving, a cousin was trying to force her way in to another cousins house. when my friend , who was the auntie of the two involved was seen she was asked for help with the police. My friend not knowing what was going on found out the girl she was speaking with had a warrant out and she refused to intervene with the officer. the niece threatened her and tried to guilt her. She responded with ........."I am tired of my family embarrassing me and acknowledging me only when they want help. I punch a clock for a living and do so legally, had you chosen to do the same you wouldn't be in this situation ", she is now officially disowned, all members are angry with her and she is the only one who didn't commit a crime. But her point is well made. Choices. Now that they are mad, she has some peace and quiet , and she has needed that for a long time. Out of chaos comes order, and things fall apart so that things can fall together.. THis will pass. Be safe, Be smart and be strong. It will be fine. evie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jinnye Nobles Koons" <Jinnye@centurytel.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 1:47 AM Subject: [BSChat] good vibes > Sheepers, Please send out all the good vibes, positive thoughts, prayers, etc. that you can muster for my husband David and me. We are in the middle of a big family battle. David's brother James has been cooking meth and dealing drugs ever since we moved here one year ago. We've tried to get help from his parents and they have demanded that we get out of this house that we were buying from them. There's a lot more to this. We've been harrassed constantly. We are moving and will be so glad to be away from this, but we surely do need all the good wishes that you can send our way. Thank you so much. Jinnye Koons > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Thanks, so much for your advice and good wishes. We have been to the sheriff several times and called the sheriff's dept. out here several times due to the harrassment. We've told the sheriff everything we know and they tell us that it is nearly impossible to obtain a search warrant for someone s home, just on hearsay. They wanted to know if he trusted me and would sell drugs to me and of course, I told them that he didn't and wouldn't. We've also told the sheriff that we are moving and why and that they could come out, before we leave. James was cooking in a shed on his dad's property behind our house, then in his own basement in his own house. He has a 20 yr. old son, who has had no job since he graduated high school who is left there all day with 7 dogs to guard the house while James and his wife Terri are at work all day. He has even gotten his own cousin's 25 yr. old son involved in the cooking and selling of the drugs. We informed her and she got a confession out of her son. She says that James is on a a federal watch list for drug dealers. So, yes, I'm sure that in time he will get what's coming to him. The parents will get theirs too, because when we moved in here, it looked like he was doing his very best to ruin their property or to get it confiscated. They have a beautiful stocked fishing pond and he had been allowing other meth cooks to come out and fish the pond dry, some even seining it etc. in return for part of their drugs. He was also allowing any cooks that wanted to to cook in the shed in return for a cut. Now the authorities know everything that we have told tem and that we tried to get help from the parents and how they stand so their property just might be confiscated when he is busted. Thanks so much everyone for your good wishes It helps just to others care. Jinnye -------Original Message------- From: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, June 09, 2003 12:38:50 To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] good vibes I'm sending Good vibes & prayers your way. If I were you I wopuld pick up the phone and give the local Police or FBI and anonymous tip on where to find a Meth Lab. Sure he's your brother but think of all the inocent teenagers lives that could be damaged or lives lost. And I kid you not Meth is highly addictive one hit and you may be hooked and its a bad habit that's nolt easy to break. > > > Sheepers, Please send out all the good vibes, positive thoughts, prayers > etc. that you can muster for my husband David and me. We are in the middle > of a big family battle. David's brother James has been cooking meth and > dealing drugs ever since we moved here one year ago. We've tried to get help > from his parents and they have demanded that we get out of this house that > we were buying from them. There's a lot more to this. We've been harrassed > constantly. We are moving and will be so glad to be away from this, but we > surely do need all the good wishes that you can send our way. Thank you so > much. Jinnye Koons > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > scribe > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 -- Wild Bill, North Pole, Alaska I started out with nothing & still have most of it left. http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=wildbill ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 .

wow! Jinnye, sounds like you are way too close to your Sheepers-qualifier. As much as nobody wants to rat on family, sometimes evidence gathering (if possible) might be a good idea.

>Sheepers, Please send out all the good vibes, positive thoughts, prayers, etc. that you can muster for my husband David and me. We are in the middle of a big family battle. David's brother James has been cooking meth and dealing drugs ever since we moved here one year ago. We've tried to get help from his parents and they have demanded that we get out of this house that we were buying from them.< Jinnye, Sending as much positive energy your way as I can muster. You're in a bad situation there, for sure, and AWAY sounds like a good place to go. Honestly, while his parents may not be actively encouraging James in his illegal activities, they serve as 'enablers' for him to do what he's doing, from what you've indicated. Don't worry, James will get his on down the line, especially if he's using his own recipe, and may end up taking the folks with him if the law catches up to him. Hang in there, gal, and get thee from that place asap!!! Best, SueB

How true! How true! Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby & Sue Bates" <bsbates@netease.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] good vibes > >Sheepers, Please send out all the good vibes, positive thoughts, prayers, etc. that you can muster for my husband David and me. We are in the middle of a big family battle. David's brother James has been cooking meth and dealing drugs ever since we moved here one year ago. We've tried to get help from his parents and they have demanded that we get out of this house that we were buying from them.< > > Jinnye, > Sending as much positive energy your way as I can muster. You're in a bad situation there, for sure, and AWAY sounds like a good place to go. > Honestly, while his parents may not be actively encouraging James in his illegal activities, they serve as 'enablers' for him to do what he's doing, from what you've indicated. Don't worry, James will get his on down the line, especially if he's using his own recipe, and may end up taking the folks with him if the law catches up to him. > Hang in there, gal, and get thee from that place asap!!! > Best, > SueB > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Jinnye, So sorry. My prayers are with you. Please let us know where you land. Are you trying to stay in the area or completely move away? Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jinnye Nobles Koons" <Jinnye@centurytel.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 11:47 PM Subject: [BSChat] good vibes > Sheepers, Please send out all the good vibes, positive thoughts, prayers, etc. that you can muster for my husband David and me. We are in the middle of a big family battle. David's brother James has been cooking meth and dealing drugs ever since we moved here one year ago. We've tried to get help from his parents and they have demanded that we get out of this house that we were buying from them. There's a lot more to this. We've been harrassed constantly. We are moving and will be so glad to be away from this, but we surely do need all the good wishes that you can send our way. Thank you so much. Jinnye Koons > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I'm sending Good vibes & prayers your way. If I were you I wopuld pick up the phone and give the local Police or FBI and anonymous tip on where to find a Meth Lab. Sure he's your brother but think of all the inocent teenagers lives that could be damaged or lives lost. And I kid you not Meth is highly addictive one hit and you may be hooked and its a bad habit that's nolt easy to break. > > > Sheepers, Please send out all the good vibes, positive thoughts, prayers, > etc. that you can muster for my husband David and me. We are in the middle > of a big family battle. David's brother James has been cooking meth and > dealing drugs ever since we moved here one year ago. We've tried to get help > from his parents and they have demanded that we get out of this house that > we were buying from them. There's a lot more to this. We've been harrassed > constantly. We are moving and will be so glad to be away from this, but we > surely do need all the good wishes that you can send our way. Thank you so > much. Jinnye Koons > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > scribe > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 -- Wild Bill, North Pole, Alaska I started out with nothing & still have most of it left. http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=wildbill

Jinnye I am sorry to hear this. My thoughts and prayers are with you. rhonda Walelu Kanogisdi Sometimes dreams are wiser than waking Black Elk ~~ 1863- 1950 http://www.picturetrail.com/hummingbirdsings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jinnye Nobles Koons" <Jinnye@centurytel.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 1:47 AM Subject: [BSChat] good vibes > Sheepers, Please send out all the good vibes, positive thoughts, prayers, etc. that you can muster for my husband David and me. We are in the middle of a big family battle. David's brother James has been cooking meth and dealing drugs ever since we moved here one year ago. We've tried to get help from his parents and they have demanded that we get out of this house that we were buying from them. There's a lot more to this. We've been harrassed constantly. We are moving and will be so glad to be away from this, but we surely do need all the good wishes that you can send our way. Thank you so much. Jinnye Koons > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Sheepers, Please send out all the good vibes, positive thoughts, prayers, etc. that you can muster for my husband David and me. We are in the middle of a big family battle. David's brother James has been cooking meth and dealing drugs ever since we moved here one year ago. We've tried to get help from his parents and they have demanded that we get out of this house that we were buying from them. There's a lot more to this. We've been harrassed constantly. We are moving and will be so glad to be away from this, but we surely do need all the good wishes that you can send our way. Thank you so much. Jinnye Koons

Wow, Jeff, you must have been right on that one LOL! Can't afford one at the moment but it would be neat. I am thinking that back then, since so many people were passing as white but clearly weren't that there has to be a theory about it. Maybe a good story too! I had attended a graduation of a friend who is also native american, a fancy dancer who travels the circuit (a large one at that) and it is he who told me of the pow wow he danced at in Mo, near the ARk border. Makes sense given the fact that the Comers on the Cherokee rolls were also in that area and settled in Ark. I thought someone might have some historical trivia regarding the census takers. I also find them living at the Osage Indian Rez in Ok in the early 1900s but they are listed as white there too. Then at least three of them buried in an indian cemetery outside of Tulsa in Sand Springs.........all of them listed as white so I was puzzled by that. I can see Oklahoma doing that but not Missouri. Thanks anyway, if you have a idea about the census takers , I am all ears. Evie

I have a question that perhaps you could answer. My husband is native american tho he does not have a cdib card, not important to him to have one. His ancestors came from SC to TN to MO and then on to Ok and TX. We had always thought that the native american was in the great and ggreatgrandmothers and have discovered that it is the Comer 's themselves who were and are native american. I was very fortunate to acquire photos dating to 1890 . My question is this, in the state of Missouri, militia and settlers (according to some of the MO. history buffs) had eradicated the native american. This week I found out that in a small part of Mo. there are still pow wows of the lost cherokee. After receiving the pics of his family I am puzzled as to how they passed as white on the census. They are most definately listed as white tho one ancestor is listed as mulatto and then on the next census she is listed as white. Did they pay the census takers to list them as white? Did the census takers themselves have native blood and just did them a favor? We had been told that our ancestor was rescued from the trail of tears at the age of nine but no other information is forthcomming and anything before 1850 is difficult to find. My assumption is that a white family adopted this boy and named him tho I cannot prove it. I think it would be a good discussion to hear differing ideas of how indians passed as white, his family are obviously not so that makes it very interesting to me. I suspect other tribes are in the blood line but it seems that all Comer descendants of this line know that they are tied to cherokee and possibly pottowatamie and quapaw. If they are not from an adopted white family initially, then it has to be that their name was a corruption of an indian name. What do you suppose could explain the census takers listing them as white? Thanks, Evie

I worked as a census taker in 1970 and we were told to ask people the question and put down their answers. I know one woman who graduated from High School with my older cousin and when I ask her age, she said an age that was about 15 years younger than me. That would make her about 3 when she graduated from High School. But that is the age I put. I don't remember any obvious errs in race, but if there had been, I would have written down what they said. Dora ----- Original Message ----- From: "shadlock" <shadlock@brightok.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] question to anyone with an idea......... > Wow, Jeff, you must have been right on that one LOL! > Can't afford one at the moment but it would be neat. > I am thinking that back then, since so many people were passing as white but > clearly weren't that there has to be a theory about it. > Maybe a good story too! > I had attended a graduation of a friend who is also native american, a fancy > dancer who travels the circuit (a large one at that) and it is he who told > me of the pow wow he danced at in Mo, near the ARk border. Makes sense given > the fact that the Comers on the Cherokee rolls were also in that area and > settled in Ark. I thought someone might have some historical trivia > regarding the census takers. > I also find them living at the Osage Indian Rez in Ok in the early 1900s but > they are listed as white there too. Then at least three of them buried in an > indian cemetery outside of Tulsa in Sand Springs.........all of them listed > as white so I was puzzled by that. I can see Oklahoma doing that but not > Missouri. > Thanks anyway, if you have a idea about the census takers , I am all ears. > Evie > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

My assumption is that a white family adopted this boy and named him tho I cannot prove it. -- There is a DNa test that will show it if there is a trace. Jeffery Scism, IBSSG Links to my Homepages: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~scismfam/