You sure don't want to alienate your son!!!!! If he had to make a choice between a woman he loves and his mom, You might come out on losing end. Most mothers(myself included) think they know more about raising other peoples children than the mom does. My mother-in-law was always critical about my housekeeping, child raising, way i treated her son. Dropped in without being invited, usually at the wrong time.Called for help with everything. Fed my kids sweets/junk food. Spoiled my kids rotten by giving them almost anything they asked for. She even asked the kids about personal things(sex, money, arguments). If we had an argument always took her son's side, right or wrong. I finally convinced my husband we needed to move. Now she only sees her grandchildren 2-3 times a year. Am proud member of the IBSSG --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software

Thanks, That is a very good idea. Mary Anne Cook Frankfort, Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" <dave.tompsett@sympatico.ca> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 2:26 PM Subject: [BSChat] Re: very unliked girlfriend > """We went and picked up my son and his very unliked girlfriend and their baby""" > > permit me to suggest the term: "mother of my grandchild" - that might change things just a little. Don't forget like and dislike are bidirectional. > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

dont waiste time and energy hating her. that gives her the control of your feelings. i know it is hard with the grandson and son but you need to take care of yourself too, kathy

Mary Anne Cook wrote.... >.... Now she has done to him the very same thing that she made him do to his wife and kids. Is it no wonder that I hate her so much?< Oh, me!!! Well, I guess that falls into the 'What Goes Around Comes Around' category. I can certainly understand where you're coming from, Mary Anne. Having been on the receiving end of a philandering (ex) spouse, in my experience, I'd have to say that it usually takes two in order for that type of situation to occur. Cheer up, somewhere on down the road there's going to be someone that will do to that young lady what she's been doing to others...... (I would hope!) Best, SueB http://www.cdbaby.com/suegilmore

"""We went and picked up my son and his very unliked girlfriend and their baby""" permit me to suggest the term: "mother of my grandchild" - that might change things just a little. Don't forget like and dislike are bidirectional.

I really despise the girl. I brought her here against my better judgement, only for my son and grandson, and she proved me right to my son. He is now hurt to the bone and even contemplated suicide over this twit. I think everyone has convinced him she is not worth it. She got him arrested and then left to move across the street the very next day taking my grandson with her. She flaunted the boy across the street in his face for 2 weeks before he was arrested. She took him away from a very faithful wife and 2 kids 3 years ago. Now she has done to him the very same thing that she made him do to his wife and kids. Is it no wonder that I hate her so much? Mary Anne Cook Frankfort, Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby & Sue Bates" <bsbates@netease.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] How I spent my summer vacation > Mary Anne Cook wrote... > > Ok, Here is my summer vacation, though mine was not as eventful as Sue's. We went and picked up my son and his very unliked girlfriend and their baby in June....< > > Sounds like you've been keeping busy, Mary Anne! So, tell us how you really feel about your son's girlfriend..... *GRIN*wink* > Best, > SueB > http://www.cdbaby.com/suegilmore > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Mary Anne Cook wrote... > Ok, Here is my summer vacation, though mine was not as eventful as Sue's. We went and picked up my son and his very unliked girlfriend and their baby in June....< Sounds like you've been keeping busy, Mary Anne! So, tell us how you really feel about your son's girlfriend..... *GRIN*wink* Best, SueB http://www.cdbaby.com/suegilmore

Ok, Here is my summer vacation, though mine was not as eventful as Sue's. We went and picked up my son and his very unliked girlfriend and their baby in June. They were not here a month when she went traipsing over across the street flitting around a boy there. They got my son put in jail and extradited back to FL where he is now awaiting trial for tomorrow. Other than that we have stayed at home, had company from Fort Wayne for almost a month straight and between time played on my computer. My oldest daughter and her four daughters and the very unliked girlfriend of my son and their baby went to a family reunion in Lebanon where I met some new and unknown family members from my GGGrandfather Merridith L Owens. My Dad got sick and we had to put him in the hospital for almost a week and then take him to the hospital in Kokomo for an endoscopy, which turned out to be ok. He is 76 years old and is doing a lot better now. I have had the usual visits from my granddaughters that live here about 3 blocks from me. Nothing really exciting never happens here, but this summer has been a good one for excitement. Nearly threw me into a heart attack about 5 different times, until I learned to ignore them/her. Mary Anne Cook Frankfort, Indiana

mail.desoto.net wrote.... >My summer has been little different from the beginning of the year..... Exciting, huh? Jeanne< Jeanne, except for the job hunting, it sounds like you've been managing to pass the time quite nicely. I especially liked the part about the rooster!! :-) Nice to know that you're still out there and here's hoping that something really special turns up for you in the job department!! Best, SueB http://www.cdbaby.com/suegilmore

Hi Listmates! I can't believe that summer is fast on the wane already which is probably what triggered the thought of this subject matter. Anyway, on with my summer itinerary..... It's actually been a rather slow summer here insofar as travel is concerned but we've been passing the time with visits from the grandkids, down from MI. First we had Dylan (aka The ADHD Kid) for his 4 wks. Honestly, after the experiences with him the previous 2-3 years, I was gritting my teeth. However, I can truthfully say that this year's visit was delightful. There has been some changes in his meds and the effect has been extraordinary. He was a joy to have and be around. There was only one 'incident' where he decided to build a campfire in the front yard but, I've gotta say, that it was a nice tidy little campfire--rapidly extinguished upon it's discovery. On the upside, we picked nearly 2 gallons of blackberries and I got chiggers. There were walks, horseback riding and lots of swimming and other stuff that we do on a daily basis that the kids regard as different from their routines at home. Erika arrived the same day that her brother headed home and we did much of the same stuff with her as well. We did have the addition of an annual family reunion in Jackson, TN that we attended. Erika and I also did a 4 mile hike around the nearby lake, with the dogs in tow. And I got chiggers. :-( On the home front, I've been treating a neck wound that our yearling colt inflicted upon himself that resulted in an emergency Vet visit and 6 or more stitches. I've also been learning how to do a natural hoof trim, based on studies of the wild horses, in order to treat his mother for her founder. She was in bad shape, barely mobile, and spending most of her time lying down, not even getting up to be fed. I am pleased to say that she is moving around now after 3 wks. though we've still got months to go before she could be considered sound again. No farrier am I but I am VERY pleased to see that she is in less pain and that there's progress being made. Also, I'm not sure that I'll ever put another horseshoe on a horse again. This past Tues. we got to make the trip into Memphis for a fun filled day of root canaling for Bobby. The local rates for the service here were just ridiculous so we opted for experimentation (*g*) by the students at the dental school there. So far, so good! Next week we have company arriving from OR for a few days. This is Bobby's cousin who is descended from the sister of his dad's grandmother and who was found via internet genealogy. Funny, she seemed just like family as soon as she got out of the car on her first visit 2 years ago! Aside from that, not much else happening here.... :-) How has YOUR summer been? Best, SueB http://www.cdbaby.com/suegilmore

Hi Sue, My summer has been little different from the beginning of the year. Still job hunting and trying to beat the heat here in sunny FL. Doing yard work and pruning the bushes and trees around the property. Puling vines and chopping down trees also, when necessary. A neighbor's rooster (white leghorn) has adopted Mom and I and attacks everyone else that comes into the yard. He was obviously someone's pet at one time. He lets you pet him and pick him up also. He follows me all over the place. Quite amusing at times with his different vocal sounds. Exciting, huh? Jeanne

Summer has been HOT,Hot, and stressful. We bought newer used car several months ago, and it has worked well, but financially it ut us on "edge". I decided exercise was needed in my life, so I spent more time away from the keyboards, and more out hiking. We took up a hobby called GeoCaching, (http://www.geocaching.com) and started looking for hidden caches of o0ds and ends in our area. A FUN thing to do. You should use a GPS reciever to find the hides. The whole family enjoys it. Last week ZI hit a hand sized riock with mycar on the way to a cache. All week I have ben without an OIL PAN in the car, the insurance guiy JUST showwed up to lookk at it, and says they will mail us an estimate in a few days AFTER they tow it in for examination. It has been a week already with NO car. Other than that I have been doing a rework of the Montgomery County USGenWeb site, (http://www.rootsweb.com/~inmontgo/) in Indiana, which is IMPROVING very nicely, although slowly. Still Looking for Peffleys, Millers, and many others.... ~~~ Jeff Scism, <a href="http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/">International Blacksheep Society of Genealogists</A><BR> AKA in Geocaching circles "GeoCan" Geography, genealogy, geocaching, geology, I am stuck in the Gs.

Hey, y'all! Remember the compositions that we often had to write upon returning to school? You know, how we spent our summer vacation, etc.? Summer is fast winding down here so why don't we swap stories about how we've been spending our time? Trips, genealogy research, ingrown toenails, the works! C'mon now, I'll be sending my own along here shortly so don't be afraid to jump in! Best, SueB http://www.cdbaby.com/suegilmore

It's really been nagging at me that the 1890 Census is "lost." Burns me (pardon the pun) that this is the one census that could tell me all the most important secrets in my family.... I found the following article: http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/spring_1996_1890_census_1.html Sue G. IBSSG

Thanks for the warning. Mine is clean! Walelu Kanogisdi Sometimes dreams are wiser than waking Black Elk ~~ 1863- 1950 http://www.picturetrail.com/hummingbirdsings ----- Original Message ----- From: <Utahgenealogist@cs.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 4:58 PM Subject: [BSChat] Virus Alert > This note is being sent blind to everyone in my address book to advise that > someone that has my e-mail address in their address book has a virus that is > sending out e-mails under my address. Today I have received several bounced > e-mail notices for notes that I have not sent. Please check your machines to see > if you have a virus infection. > > Jackson Andersen > Utahgenealogist@cs.com > IBSSG > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

This note is being sent blind to everyone in my address book to advise that someone that has my e-mail address in their address book has a virus that is sending out e-mails under my address. Today I have received several bounced e-mail notices for notes that I have not sent. Please check your machines to see if you have a virus infection. Jackson Andersen Utahgenealogist@cs.com IBSSG

There are at least two major virii out right now making the rounds, I recommend that everyone install and update the latest Virus protection, utilize a firewall ( like Zone Alarm) and use a Spyware blocking program. (AdAware, Spybot, et. al.) NO VIRUSES can get through Rootsweb directly. These Viruses can PRETEND convincingly that they arefrom someone you know. Be prepared, and they should NOT be a problem for you. If you are a WINDOWS user update your windows frequently, usually you can go to the Start button, then SETTINGS, and choose the WINDOWS UPDATE at the bottom. Windows will automatically search for the latest security updates needed for your computer. -- ~~~ Jeff Scism, <a href="http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/">International Blacksheep Society of Genealogists</A><BR> AKA in Geocaching circles "GeoCan" Geography, genealogy, geocaching, geology, I am stuck in the Gs.

Thought yall might enjoy this site bbarkesms <bbarkesms@dixie-net.com> wrote:From: bbarkesms Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:54:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [SOUTHERN-CHAT] Salem Witch Trials..... To: SOUTHERN-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > Came across this very interesting site .... this link goes to a site > where you can read the actual transcripts of the Salem Witch > Trials..... I was looking for a Wilkins or Tanner connection in > Virginia. Found several Wilkins that were "accusers". The site is > searchable. Hard to believe what was done to these people. Proves > that some people are willing to believe just about anything.....with or > without proof. What would you say to someone who told you they saw a > shadow and then felt something heavy on their back.....never actually > saw a person.....just a shadow....and then they were pulled from their > horse by some unseen force.... it had to be witchcraft!! I think the > accuser had a bit too much likker at the local pub or maybe ate a > couple of funny mushrooms on the way home!! > HREF="http://etext.virginia.edu/salem/witchcraft/texts/">Witches Found > Here or copy and paste: > http://etext.virginia.edu/salem/witchcraft/texts/ > > paulette in sw fla usa....gives me the willies > > now you tell me that is why i cant find my wilkens they were witches > ==== SOUTHERN-CHAT Mailing List ==== > If you find yourself unsubbed this could be caused by many reasons; > computer glitches being one. If this happens just resubscribe to our > list. > SOUTHERN-CHAT-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ==== SOUTHERN-CHAT Mailing List ==== If your computer becomes infected with a virus; I will write you off-list and let you know. Then you will be unsubbed from the list until your computer is virus free. This is for protection of our listers. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 Am proud member of the IBSSG --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software

I dunno! :-) She wouldn't have been one of David & Etta's children....Their oldest children were girls.....no boys named Joe, unless that was a nickname? Their first son was born in 1908, so he could've had a child around 1927, but he appears with his parents in the 1930 census as "single." Could be cousins, tho! Am expecting father David Wilson's birth record late this week (Lapeer Co. assures me they send stuff out the day they receive the request & payment, and they should've had that on Monday), and then at least I'll know his parents' names. Once I know that info, I'll be searching other census records to try to trace David's path from Lapeer to Pontiac. With luck, I'll find his siblings' names in the census records and might have better notes to compare with you. I do know that David had siblings named Elmer and Myrtle...at least, I THINK he had those two siblings. I couldn't even tell you at this point where I got that info. Got it so long ago, and I wasn't very good at noting my sources "in the early days." I'd imagine he had more siblings than that, because a family of 3 children in the mid-late 1800's seems kind of small. I'll let you know if I happen upon anything interesting! Sue G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby & Sue Bates" <bsbates@netease.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Wilson & Williams lines in MI, OH > Susan T Grove wrote.... > >....have also found his family (David & Etta Wilson) in Pontiac, MI for the 1910, 1920 & 1930 Censuses. < > > Gee... wonder if this is any connection to my cousin-in-law, Charlotte Wilson? I think she was born in Pontiac c. 1927 or so; married my cousin Joe Wilson around 1944 or so (no relation as his is a southern line). Seems like Charlotte's mother was buried in Voorhees Cemetery there in Pontiac. Anyway, Joe & Charlotte named their youngest son David and their oldest son was Joe for his dad and paternal grandfather. Daughter's name is Cecilia for step-grandfather, Cecil. Think the David name is a coincidence?? > Best, > SueB > http://www.cdbaby.com/suegilmore >

Susan T Grove wrote.... >....have also found his family (David & Etta Wilson) in Pontiac, MI for the 1910, 1920 & 1930 Censuses. < Gee... wonder if this is any connection to my cousin-in-law, Charlotte Wilson? I think she was born in Pontiac c. 1927 or so; married my cousin Joe Wilson around 1944 or so (no relation as his is a southern line). Seems like Charlotte's mother was buried in Voorhees Cemetery there in Pontiac. Anyway, Joe & Charlotte named their youngest son David and their oldest son was Joe for his dad and paternal grandfather. Daughter's name is Cecilia for step-grandfather, Cecil. Think the David name is a coincidence?? Best, SueB http://www.cdbaby.com/suegilmore