In a message dated 4/24/02 2:46:01 PM Mountain Daylight Time, zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > In that arrangement, you do get taxed on the income from the house. I have just heard about this on different news programs. I think that who ever the arrangements are made with would know. I remember it called a Reverse Mortgage. Probably as many ways to set this up as a mortgage. Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member Bo-Peep Award Ogden, Utah, USA "God sent his Singers upon the Earth, With songs of Gladness and Mirth. That they might touch the hearts of men, And bring them to Heaven again." --Longfellow

Aleta, payments from a reverse mortgage is the same as receiving any other income. It's the proceeds from the sale of the house, paid in monthly increments, so it is taxable. The loans have been around for several years now. Asking about income from such a mortgage is one of the questions that a tax preparer asks to make sure that all income is listed. Since the reverse mortgage is more beneficial, profit-wise, for a bank, and that's their only reason for making such an instrument available, and since the bank is the one who creates the documents, I wouldn't trust any questions about my tax situation to be answered by them, not even about this one thing. You'd need to ask your CPA. If you have a CPA prepare your taxes, they normally will handle questions over the phone during the rest of the year without additional cost. If someone wants to make sure that their family doesn't get any proceeds after their death but would like to someone else get some good out of the money, there are trusts that can be set up through such groups as the Salvation Army. The real estate is sold, and the proceeds go directly into the trust, not to the seller, which has tax benefits. They pay a portion of the money out each year, and whatever remains when the person dies goes to the charity who handles the trust. This is a list of the options available at the Salvation Army: http://www.christianity.com/CC_Content_Page/0,,PTID3748%7CCHID154265%7CCIID,00.html Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: AletaM@aol.com Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: [BS-L] Administration of wills Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:45:26 EDT In a message dated 4/24/02 2:46:01 PM Mountain Daylight Time, zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > In that arrangement, you do get taxed on the income from the house. I have just heard about this on different news programs. I think that who ever the arrangements are made with would know. I remember it called a Reverse Mortgage. Probably as many ways to set this up as a mortgage. Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member Bo-Peep Award Ogden, Utah, USA "God sent his Singers upon the Earth, With songs of Gladness and Mirth. That they might touch the hearts of men, And bring them to Heaven again." --Longfellow ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

This is no new trick......there was a man in south Texas who owned a cafe, and had a big pit full of alligators out back....he'd advertise for waitresses and when he'd find one who seemed to have no family he'd hire her and I guess he'd have a romance with her...when it cooled, he'd kill the girl and cut her up and feed her to the alligators....I seem to recall reading that he was married and his wife would help him find and then dispose of the bodies.....[nice folks, huh?]...... This happened back in the '30s, and before I was born, but I remember hearing about it (he lived not too far from where we lived)...my uncle was with the sheriff's office when they finally caught him....and I saw it in one of those "True Detective" magazines maybe 20 or so years ago.... Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: <WHB925@aol.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 11:05 AM Subject: [BSChat] DISPOSING OF HUSBAND JACKSONVILLE FL- A woman and her ex-husband are behind bars for conspiring to kill her newlywed husband and dump his body in an alligator farm, authorities said. Betty Lightfoot Sikes, 50, and her ex-husband, Alvin Lee Howard, 46, are charged with solicitation for premeditated murder. They are being held without bail in the Duval County Jail for allegedly plotting the murder of Danny Lee Ferguson for $100,000 in life insurance money, said Gayward Hendry, an investigator with the State Attorney's Office. They also face charges of grand theft and fraudulent insurance claims after they made arrangements with an informant for their semitrailer truck to be stolen and burned to collect the insurance, he said. The Duval County Court Clerk's Office said court records do not have defense attorneys listed for Howard and Sikes. A call to the Public Defender's Office was not immediately returned. There was no telephone listing for Sikes, Howard or Ferguson. According to state records, Betty Sikes has been married at least nine times. She married Danny Lee Ferguson in January after living in his home for about six years. Investigators began looking into the murder-for-hire plot April 9 after a confidential source was wired with a transmitter and recorded their conversation to carry out the plot. The couple supplied the informant with a pistol, gave information on where Ferguson could be found and agreed to have him shot and dumped at an alligator farm. As an alibi, the couple went on a night gambling cruise, Hendry said. After investigators told Ferguson about the plot, the shocked 53-year-old was put up in a hotel for three days while his murder was staged. The informant gave the couple a ring belonging to Ferguson and said the job had been completed. Both were arrested Friday after filing a missing-person report on Ferguson. The three worked as independent truck drivers. ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

"In this case they made his departure and the proccess as painful for him as possible...." Greedy, grabby, unthinking, unfeeling, uncaring little four-letter words. Jeff, I wish him the best in his new life, and hope he never gives that bunch of maggots a thought. Sharon IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: <ScismGenie@aol.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: [BSChat] hanging like vultures > My neighbor, Lyndon Johnson, has just moved to Florida. His wife, Eula died > last year, and he is moving in with his EX-wife, after being separated more > than twenty years they are deciding to suport each other in their old age. > She came out last month, and seems to be a wonderful person, I wish them > happiness. > > Lyndon decided that 80 years of acumulated thiongs had to go, so he offered > me the pick of his property (in his home), I gratefully accepted some of his > furniture, and a porch swing he had made, which my kids love. He also gave us > a Glade chair from his liviung room, both of these items are desired by his > step children. They were told by Eula, thier mother, that she had promised > them to my kids, and they after her death insist that Eula told them to come > and get them. > > Lyndon told me to take them, and I did. The kids came with a large truck to > empty the house and were very upset that these two items were not there, they > were in my yard thirty feet away. Some of the other things that Eula had > promised my wife, and Lyndon acknowledged were hers for the taking, were > also taken by the kids, Bridget said "whatever, they are her family, we are > just friends", but the attitude was there ws nothing too small to take. > > Lyndon had told them to come down a month before to pick and choose, but > they said it was too much hassle, and since he was leaving very shortly, he > had to dispose of a lot of things. So he invited in his neighbor, let them > 'reserve" what they needed, and promised they could pick them up the day > before he left. THEN the kids showed up. > > Their mother had died a year before, and they made no effort to visit or to > look at her things, she had been hospitalized for MONTHS, and they lived 20 > miles away and didn't visit her in the hospital. > > The other son-in-law lives in Arizona, and made several trips to visit and > help out. > > People are really strange, and when the people they are descended from are > gone, they JUMP to "get their share, fair or not". In this case they made his > departure and the proccess as painful for him as possible, forcing him to > break promises, and put "her' family over what his integrity was. > > He ended up leavinga lot of furnishings in the house, because he had no > place to put any of it, the real estate agent ( same gal we sued for > embezzlement) was eagarly awaiting his departure so she could clean out the > property. he specifically declared the left furnishings were for the new > buyer, as he had promised. I am now "watching" the home and hoping she stays > out. (she has his keys for the new buyer). > > > > > > Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) > ~~ > Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site > Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site > manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: > B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n > d i c o t t, > S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. > Nv.) > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

In a message dated 4/24/02 3:30:30 AM Mountain Daylight Time, ginlu@charter.net writes: > I'm hoping I can manage that.....nothing but bills to pay....maybe they'll > be nicer to each other if they have to keep on the good side so the bills > get paid???? LOL, that and make certain, if you have life insurance, that the insurance will almost or just barely cover the outstanding notes and the funeral. Another idea is, what I understand is, a reverse mortgage. You basically sell your house to the bank/mortages company and they pay you for the rest of you life or "$X.00 for X years." This way there is no house to squabble over. Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member Bo-Peep Award Ogden, Utah, USA "God sent his Singers upon the Earth, With songs of Gladness and Mirth. That they might touch the hearts of men, And bring them to Heaven again." --Longfellow

In a message dated 4/24/02 12:34:15 AM Mountain Daylight Time, zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > husband and I were so busy talking that we > forgot to refill the gas tank, This didn't happen in a remote area, it was on I - 15 in Centerville, Ut, not far north of Salt Lake City. Before Hubby and I married we were on our way to a concert and had borrowed my parents car, 72 Dodge Demon. The key ring we had didn't have the gas key on it. We were supposed to put gas in the tank, but thought we might make it down and back, no such luck. We ran out and since we didn't have a gas key, Hubby hiked to the nearest phone, including climbing over a fence, to call my parents for a gas key and a little gas to get us to a station. We were going to go to dinner before the concert, but had to wait until after. You can be certain that we asked if: 1. There was sufficient fuel in the vehicle or 2. If the gas key is on the key ring were are handed. This is also something we make certain of when we loan our vehicle to our kids for any purpose. Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member Bo-Peep Award Ogden, Utah, USA "God sent his Singers upon the Earth, With songs of Gladness and Mirth. That they might touch the hearts of men, And bring them to Heaven again." --Longfellow

My neighbor, Lyndon Johnson, has just moved to Florida. His wife, Eula died last year, and he is moving in with his EX-wife, after being separated more than twenty years they are deciding to suport each other in their old age. She came out last month, and seems to be a wonderful person, I wish them happiness. Lyndon decided that 80 years of acumulated thiongs had to go, so he offered me the pick of his property (in his home), I gratefully accepted some of his furniture, and a porch swing he had made, which my kids love. He also gave us a Glade chair from his liviung room, both of these items are desired by his step children. They were told by Eula, thier mother, that she had promised them to my kids, and they after her death insist that Eula told them to come and get them. Lyndon told me to take them, and I did. The kids came with a large truck to empty the house and were very upset that these two items were not there, they were in my yard thirty feet away. Some of the other things that Eula had promised my wife, and Lyndon acknowledged were hers for the taking, were also taken by the kids, Bridget said "whatever, they are her family, we are just friends", but the attitude was there ws nothing too small to take. Lyndon had told them to come down a month before to pick and choose, but they said it was too much hassle, and since he was leaving very shortly, he had to dispose of a lot of things. So he invited in his neighbor, let them 'reserve" what they needed, and promised they could pick them up the day before he left. THEN the kids showed up. Their mother had died a year before, and they made no effort to visit or to look at her things, she had been hospitalized for MONTHS, and they lived 20 miles away and didn't visit her in the hospital. The other son-in-law lives in Arizona, and made several trips to visit and help out. People are really strange, and when the people they are descended from are gone, they JUMP to "get their share, fair or not". In this case they made his departure and the proccess as painful for him as possible, forcing him to break promises, and put "her' family over what his integrity was. He ended up leavinga lot of furnishings in the house, because he had no place to put any of it, the real estate agent ( same gal we sued for embezzlement) was eagarly awaiting his departure so she could clean out the property. he specifically declared the left furnishings were for the new buyer, as he had promised. I am now "watching" the home and hoping she stays out. (she has his keys for the new buyer). Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

In that arrangement, you do get taxed on the income from the house. I can't see being that involved in what happens after I'm gone. If there's money, I hope it does someone some good. Trying to make sure there's nothing left for anyone else seems just as picayune as the vultures. I don't really care about it. Jan G. >>Another idea is, what I understand is, a reverse mortgage. You basically sell your house to the bank/mortages company and they pay you for the rest of you life or "$X.00 for X years." This way there is no house to squabble over. Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member Bo-Peep Award>> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

JACKSONVILLE FL- A woman and her ex-husband are behind bars for conspiring to kill her newlywed husband and dump his body in an alligator farm, authorities said. Betty Lightfoot Sikes, 50, and her ex-husband, Alvin Lee Howard, 46, are charged with solicitation for premeditated murder. They are being held without bail in the Duval County Jail for allegedly plotting the murder of Danny Lee Ferguson for $100,000 in life insurance money, said Gayward Hendry, an investigator with the State Attorney's Office. They also face charges of grand theft and fraudulent insurance claims after they made arrangements with an informant for their semitrailer truck to be stolen and burned to collect the insurance, he said. The Duval County Court Clerk's Office said court records do not have defense attorneys listed for Howard and Sikes. A call to the Public Defender's Office was not immediately returned. There was no telephone listing for Sikes, Howard or Ferguson. According to state records, Betty Sikes has been married at least nine times. She married Danny Lee Ferguson in January after living in his home for about six years. Investigators began looking into the murder-for-hire plot April 9 after a confidential source was wired with a transmitter and recorded their conversation to carry out the plot. The couple supplied the informant with a pistol, gave information on where Ferguson could be found and agreed to have him shot and dumped at an alligator farm. As an alibi, the couple went on a night gambling cruise, Hendry said. After investigators told Ferguson about the plot, the shocked 53-year-old was put up in a hotel for three days while his murder was staged. The informant gave the couple a ring belonging to Ferguson and said the job had been completed. Both were arrested Friday after filing a missing-person report on Ferguson. The three worked as independent truck drivers.

Oh, wow, Jack! That must have been one heck of a wild ride! lol And you were up high where you could see it all real well! Well, once you got to the bottom of the valley, the truck probably slowed down pretty fast, it's so flat down there, unless the driver got the truck off the road before then. Seems like they had some places on the side built for the trucks to intentionally drive into a pile of sand or something, if their brakes failed. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] S-10 pick-ups Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 07:08:44 -0500 Grapevine ??? Try riding with a trucker whose breaks are going out, down the grapevine into Bakersfield. It was the closest I have ever come to dying in a vehicle. I never again accepted a ride in a semi. Jack Childers in OKC ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

I know what you mean. My folks are almost 85 and 87 and they've been giving stuff away for the past 2 years. They've got their estate all neat and tidy, Mom's set aside specific items for specific grandkids, etc. But, it's so eery to have her ask me "Do you think that so-and-so would like this when I die?" jeez, I don't want to get involved in that. It's just 'stuff' and 'stuff' can wait til the time comes. I'm not in to fighting over 'stuff', and I don't think my brothers are either. But, evidently Mom is concerned that everything be as she wants it, neat and tidy as always (being the compulsively neat and tidy person that she is.) She wants some control over things even when she's gone, I guess. lol Mom and Dad have been saying, if you want something go ahead and take it now. And I've refused everything so far, just 'cause I didn't want to encourage that behavior. Makes me feel like they're planning to drop any moment. One brother has taken some books that were offered to him. And then, when I teased him about it, he asked which ones I liked a lot, I mentioned 5 or 6, and he packed them and sent them to me. No big deal. (These were books we'd all enjoyed reading as kids. If they have any value, I'm not aware of it.) Anyway, Mom and Dad's garage is just about empty. The only thing I'm interested in is the old photos, and I'll divide them up and hand them out so someday each of the great grandkids will get some of them. And I'll scan them all before I hand them out. The real estate, I'm hoping, will go into an education fund for the grandkids and great grandkids. We'll see. I really think Mom will make it to 100! If so, I'm not sure if there's enough left to be concerned with. I hope she goes on a cruise or does something fun with their money. Jan G. <<I would rather have my parents than anything they have. I would give all I have to get my father back. After a year it is still so hard. I miss him so much. I still have my mother and want to keep her for a long time, but she misses dad and says she is ready when the good Lord wants to take her. I told her she has a lot of years left and not to rush it. I hope it gets easier for her being without dad. They were married for 54 years and mom says she wouldn't give up a day of it. I have never seen two people so much in love. Whitewolf _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

Oh, how right you are! That experience soured me so badly that I came to a decision which might not be popular with everyone, especially those of us doing genealogy...I decided that when I finally give up the ghost, my usable organs can be harvested, the rest of the body can be cremated, and the ashes can go into a flower bed somewhere to make flowers bloom better (hope the bitterness inside me doesn't kill the plants! ;-)). No funeral, no marker. Both my boys were told to pick one item they wished to have after I'm gone that currently belongs to me. The remainder can be disposed of by donation to any second-hand store. If there are any remaining debts, they can be given to my ex-wife of 20 years...she always refused to work while I was around to support the boys (who, in reality, are my step-children), and after they left home for service & marriage, she continued to refuse to work, and instead started bar-hopping and messing around. While I wish her only the best, and have every intention of leaving no debts for anyone, I was mistreated beyond what most people could imagine, and can forgive the treatment, but I'll never forget. I try to hold on to the memories of the good times, not the bad. If I dwelt on the memories of the bad, I would probably become a hermit! ;-) Mike IBSSG > [Original Message] > From: jcurtis <jcurtis@redrock.net> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com>; <grinch42@mindspring.com> > Date: 4/24/2002 12:39:24 AM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: [BS-L] Administration of wills > > Mike - it's all about greed, isn't it? A freeby...something for nothing. > It's really strange how families go rushing-in after the death of a > parent...to see what they have inherited. > > I love it when they are left with nothing but bills to pay !?! > > Jan C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shuler Michael <grinch42@mindspring.com> > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 9:33 PM > Subject: [BSChat] Re: [BS-L] Administration of wills > > > > I can go one better on that one, Jan. When my Dad died, a year & a half > >after my mother, I was living in NE Wisconsin, 80 miles north of Milwaukee. > >He died on Thanksgiving day. We had suffered a blizzard the night before, > >but he lived in TX as did my surviving brother & one of my sisters...the > >other one lived in FL. Airline traffic would have been almost impossible, > >anyway, without the blizzard, and I MIGHT have been able to get to > >Milwaukee for a flight out on Monday following, but the other 3 insisted on > >having the funeral & burial on Sunday. I couldn't get there. > > When it came time to probate the will (about the only thing of value was > >the house), since I couldn't get to the funeral my brother & my FL sister > >wanted to cut me out of the estate! My youngest sister (who is very > >soft-spoken, nice, etc.), proceeded to tell the other two that she would > >sooner "torch the da*% house" than see me cut out! Needless to say, I got > >my share. A few years later (after the brother & sister were deceased) my > >youngest sister told me that my Dad had died intestate, but my brother > >swore an affadavit that he had a copy of the will & would probate it > >himself. > > > >Mike > >IBSSG > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: jcurtis <jcurtis@redrock.net> > >> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Date: 4/23/2002 9:47:10 PM > >> Subject: Re: [BS-L] Administration of wills > >> > >> You should have seen how my dad & his brothers & sisters argued the day > >> after the funeral of my gr.dad! > >> > >> Gr. dad was a mail delivery man in NM, and not wealthy, but they argued > >like > >> they were 10-12 years old, and they were all in their 60's !?! They > >> eventually *drew cards* for every item in the house. My uncle in Oregon, > >> drove to NM with his horse trailer, and had it almost loaded with stuff > >> before we, and the others, got there. > >> > >> It was the most pathetic thing I've ever witnessed, and their behavior > put > >> such a bad taste in my mouth, that I rarely talked to any of them > >> again...even typing about it makes me squeegy. My Dad was the worst of > >the > >> lot. He had a lot of money, and yet he bickered, cussed, called them > all > >> names, and argued over every dish that came out of the cupboard. > >> > >> Any respect I had for him vanished the week we were there...I never felt > >the > >> same about him afterward. I was ashamed of them all, and I was stunned > >by > >> the g r e e d! > >> > >> Jan C. > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > >> To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Date: Monday, April 22, 2002 11:26 PM > >> Subject: Re: [BS-L] Administration of wills > >> > >> > >> > > >> >I haven't, myself. My parents have both handled their parents estates, > at > >> >least in part, no problems. But, I have seen the greedy heirs in some > >other > >> >people's families. Pretty awesome how they fight over other people's > >money, > >> >as if their parents worked their whole life just to leave it to them. > lol > >> > > >> >Jan G. > >> > > >> > > >> ><<Don't know if you've been involved in a > >> >probate, but they can be messy. > >> > > >> >Jan C.>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >_________________________________________________________________ > >> >Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > >> >http://www.hotmail.com > >> > > >> > > >> >==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > >> >--- > >> >The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted > by > >> each individual submitter. > >> > > >> >http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/resources.html > >> >search the Rootsweb, UsGenWeb and The Social Security Death Index and > >More. > >> > > >> >============================== > >> >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > >> go to: > >> >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> > > >> > >> > >> ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > >> --- > >> The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by > >each individual submitter. > >> > >> The Blacksheep Message boards are at: > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.organizations.bla > c > >ksheep > >> > >> ============================== > >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > >--- Shuler Michael > >--- grinch42@mindspring.com > >--- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. > > > > > > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > >Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. 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I would rather have my parents than anything they have. I would give all I have to get my father back. After a year it is still so hard. I miss him so much. I still have my mother and want to keep her for a long time, but she misses dad and says she is ready when the good Lord wants to take her. I told her she has a lot of years left and not to rush it. I hope it gets easier for her being without dad. They were married for 54 years and mom says she wouldn't give up a day of it. I have never seen two people so much in love. Whitewolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris" <ginlu@charter.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:28 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: [BS-L] Administration of wills > I'm hoping I can manage that.....nothing but bills to pay....maybe they'll > be nicer to each other if they have to keep on the good side so the bills > get paid???? > > dj > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:51 AM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: [BS-L] Administration of wills > > > Mike - it's all about greed, isn't it? A freeby...something for nothing. > It's really strange how families go rushing-in after the death of a > parent...to see what they have inherited. > > I love it when they are left with nothing but bills to pay !?! > > Jan C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shuler Michael <grinch42@mindspring.com> > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 9:33 PM > Subject: [BSChat] Re: [BS-L] Administration of wills > > > > I can go one better on that one, Jan. When my Dad died, a year & a half > >after my mother, I was living in NE Wisconsin, 80 miles north of Milwaukee. > >He died on Thanksgiving day. We had suffered a blizzard the night before, > >but he lived in TX as did my surviving brother & one of my sisters...the > >other one lived in FL. Airline traffic would have been almost impossible, > >anyway, without the blizzard, and I MIGHT have been able to get to > >Milwaukee for a flight out on Monday following, but the other 3 insisted on > >having the funeral & burial on Sunday. I couldn't get there. > > When it came time to probate the will (about the only thing of value was > >the house), since I couldn't get to the funeral my brother & my FL sister > >wanted to cut me out of the estate! My youngest sister (who is very > >soft-spoken, nice, etc.), proceeded to tell the other two that she would > >sooner "torch the da*% house" than see me cut out! Needless to say, I got > >my share. A few years later (after the brother & sister were deceased) my > >youngest sister told me that my Dad had died intestate, but my brother > >swore an affadavit that he had a copy of the will & would probate it > >himself. > > > >Mike > >IBSSG > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: jcurtis <jcurtis@redrock.net> > >> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Date: 4/23/2002 9:47:10 PM > >> Subject: Re: [BS-L] Administration of wills > >> > >> You should have seen how my dad & his brothers & sisters argued the day > >> after the funeral of my gr.dad! > >> > >> Gr. dad was a mail delivery man in NM, and not wealthy, but they argued > >like > >> they were 10-12 years old, and they were all in their 60's !?! They > >> eventually *drew cards* for every item in the house. My uncle in Oregon, > >> drove to NM with his horse trailer, and had it almost loaded with stuff > >> before we, and the others, got there. > >> > >> It was the most pathetic thing I've ever witnessed, and their behavior > put > >> such a bad taste in my mouth, that I rarely talked to any of them > >> again...even typing about it makes me squeegy. My Dad was the worst of > >the > >> lot. He had a lot of money, and yet he bickered, cussed, called them > all > >> names, and argued over every dish that came out of the cupboard. > >> > >> Any respect I had for him vanished the week we were there...I never felt > >the > >> same about him afterward. I was ashamed of them all, and I was stunned > >by > >> the g r e e d! > >> > >> Jan C. > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > >> To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Date: Monday, April 22, 2002 11:26 PM > >> Subject: Re: [BS-L] Administration of wills > >> > >> > >> > > >> >I haven't, myself. My parents have both handled their parents estates, > at > >> >least in part, no problems. But, I have seen the greedy heirs in some > >other > >> >people's families. Pretty awesome how they fight over other people's > >money, > >> >as if their parents worked their whole life just to leave it to them. > lol > >> > > >> >Jan G. > >> > > >> > > >> ><<Don't know if you've been involved in a > >> >probate, but they can be messy. > >> > > >> >Jan C.>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >_________________________________________________________________ > >> >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > >> >http://www.hotmail.com > >> > > >> > > >> >==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > >> >--- > >> >The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted > by > >> each individual submitter. > >> > > >> >http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/resources.html > >> >search the Rootsweb, UsGenWeb and The Social Security Death Index and > >More. > >> > > >> >============================== > >> >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > >> go to: > >> >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> > > >> > >> > >> ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > >> --- > >> The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by > >each individual submitter. > >> > >> The Blacksheep Message boards are at: > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.organizations.bla > c > >ksheep > >> > >> ============================== > >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > >--- Shuler Michael > >--- grinch42@mindspring.com > >--- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. > > > > > > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > >Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. 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Grapevine ??? Try riding with a trucker whose breaks are going out, down the grapevine into Bakersfield. It was the closest I have ever come to dying in a vehicle. I never again accepted a ride in a semi. Jack Childers in OKC

That is harsh, how long where you stuck? Whitewolf ----- Original Message ----- From: <ScismGenie@aol.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] S-10 pick-ups > I can tell you about Christmas night, Broken Down in Gorman, LONG, COLD, > Snowy, and NO parts available to fix the car. > > > > Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) > ~~ > Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site > Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site > manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: > B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n > d i c o t t, > S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. > Nv.) > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Life is fun. You get to enjoy it once and then you get to enjoy it again in your memories. Sometimes even the bad times don't seem so bad years from the event. Sometimes, and sometimes they are just as bad as they were to start with. But I don't try to remember the bad times just the good ones. Whitewolf. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] S-10 pick-ups > > > Yup, Whitewolf, you got it. <g> It's a major divided freeway now, but the > slope hasn't changed. > > And the big trucks still sit and cool off at the top, and I think the > drivers take naps up there, too. > > lol just remembered... When we were driving back to San Fran to pack up some > more stuff from the old house, my husband and I were so busy talking that we > forgot to refill the gas tank, even though both of us had made a mental note > that it was getting low, before we got to Newhall. Yes, we ran out about 3 > miles from Gorman, heading north. We called and got 3 gallons brought to us > from the station in Gorman. The most expensive gas we've ever bought, at > $45. lol But, it wasn't that big a deal, I enjoyed seeing the country from > outside the truck and there wasn't any time pressure. We just felt sort of > silly. It's the kind of thing you tell your kids not to do. But, we were > having a good time, enjoying the road trip. > > Jan G. > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Ava Fischer" <res0f1lp@verizon.net> > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BSChat] S-10 pick-ups > Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:10:59 -0700 > > Grapevine. Sounds like California. I was born and raised in Bakersfield, > moved from there in 71. > Whitewolf > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 11:50 AM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] S-10 pick-ups > > > > > > > > My husband has a Toyota 1-ton, 1985 R2 model. Still loves it. He rebuilt > > (himself) the engine once. Has 200,000 miles on it. It's a 2-wheel, but > he > > installed a trick differential and it goes anywhere. (A lot of it, he > says, > > is just knowning what you're doing. It went mostly anywhere before the > new > > rear-end.) > > > > He puts heavy duty tires on it so that it can truly handle a ton and it > has, > > when moving. (But don't expect any speed going uphill on the Grapevine > fully > > loaded.<g> It's a 4-cylinder.) We're going to replace the bench seat with > > buckets and a console and keep it a few more years. > > > > Jan G. > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "Ava Fischer" <res0f1lp@verizon.net> > > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] S-10 pick-ups > > Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:52:05 -0700 > > > > Second hand, older model. Still runs > > Whitewolf > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <ScismGenie@aol.com> > > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 8:53 PM > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] S-10 pick-ups > > > > > > > In a message dated 4/22/2002 8:25:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > res0f1lp@verizon.net writes: > > > > > > > > > > I love my S-10 pickup. Best pickup I have ever had. > > > > > > > > > > Mine was the WORST mistake of my driving career. Engine blew, and it > > never > > > ran again. Finally had the finance company come and get it, when I > still > > > owed $3,000 on it. > > > > > > > > > Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) > > > ~~ > > > Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site > > > Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e > b > > Site > > > manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: > > > B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s > m, > > E > > n > > > d i c o t t, > > > S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. 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I'm hoping I can manage that.....nothing but bills to pay....maybe they'll be nicer to each other if they have to keep on the good side so the bills get paid???? dj ----- Original Message ----- From: "jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: [BS-L] Administration of wills Mike - it's all about greed, isn't it? A freeby...something for nothing. It's really strange how families go rushing-in after the death of a parent...to see what they have inherited. I love it when they are left with nothing but bills to pay !?! Jan C. -----Original Message----- From: Shuler Michael <grinch42@mindspring.com> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 9:33 PM Subject: [BSChat] Re: [BS-L] Administration of wills > I can go one better on that one, Jan. When my Dad died, a year & a half >after my mother, I was living in NE Wisconsin, 80 miles north of Milwaukee. >He died on Thanksgiving day. We had suffered a blizzard the night before, >but he lived in TX as did my surviving brother & one of my sisters...the >other one lived in FL. Airline traffic would have been almost impossible, >anyway, without the blizzard, and I MIGHT have been able to get to >Milwaukee for a flight out on Monday following, but the other 3 insisted on >having the funeral & burial on Sunday. I couldn't get there. > When it came time to probate the will (about the only thing of value was >the house), since I couldn't get to the funeral my brother & my FL sister >wanted to cut me out of the estate! My youngest sister (who is very >soft-spoken, nice, etc.), proceeded to tell the other two that she would >sooner "torch the da*% house" than see me cut out! Needless to say, I got >my share. A few years later (after the brother & sister were deceased) my >youngest sister told me that my Dad had died intestate, but my brother >swore an affadavit that he had a copy of the will & would probate it >himself. > >Mike >IBSSG > > >> [Original Message] >> From: jcurtis <jcurtis@redrock.net> >> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > > Date: 4/23/2002 9:47:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [BS-L] Administration of wills >> >> You should have seen how my dad & his brothers & sisters argued the day >> after the funeral of my gr.dad! >> >> Gr. dad was a mail delivery man in NM, and not wealthy, but they argued >like >> they were 10-12 years old, and they were all in their 60's !?! They >> eventually *drew cards* for every item in the house. My uncle in Oregon, >> drove to NM with his horse trailer, and had it almost loaded with stuff >> before we, and the others, got there. >> >> It was the most pathetic thing I've ever witnessed, and their behavior put >> such a bad taste in my mouth, that I rarely talked to any of them >> again...even typing about it makes me squeegy. My Dad was the worst of >the >> lot. He had a lot of money, and yet he bickered, cussed, called them all >> names, and argued over every dish that came out of the cupboard. >> >> Any respect I had for him vanished the week we were there...I never felt >the >> same about him afterward. I was ashamed of them all, and I was stunned >by >> the g r e e d! >> >> Jan C. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> >> To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> >> Date: Monday, April 22, 2002 11:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [BS-L] Administration of wills >> >> >> > >> >I haven't, myself. My parents have both handled their parents estates, at >> >least in part, no problems. But, I have seen the greedy heirs in some >other >> >people's families. Pretty awesome how they fight over other people's >money, >> >as if their parents worked their whole life just to leave it to them. lol >> > >> >Jan G. >> > >> > >> ><<Don't know if you've been involved in a >> >probate, but they can be messy. >> > >> >Jan C.>> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >_________________________________________________________________ >> >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >> >http://www.hotmail.com >> > >> > >> >==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== >> >--- >> >The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by >> each individual submitter. >> > >> >http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/resources.html >> >search the Rootsweb, UsGenWeb and The Social Security Death Index and >More. >> > >> >============================== >> >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >> go to: >> >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > >> >> >> ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== >> --- >> The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by >each individual submitter. >> >> The Blacksheep Message boards are at: >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.organizations.bla c >ksheep >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >--- Shuler Michael >--- grinch42@mindspring.com >--- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. > > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. 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I can tell you about Christmas night, Broken Down in Gorman, LONG, COLD, Snowy, and NO parts available to fix the car. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

Hey the Grapevine isn't like it used to be, take the OLD road sometime, all the way from Oildale to Gorman. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

My father saw a white 1956 Plymouth parked on the side of the road ( in the late sixties) He stopped and saw it was for sale, and had to have it. He bought it. Someone had STUCCOED the car. Real house siding STUCCO, like 30 grit sand paper, the entire car. We went on vacation in that car, LA to washington/canada border and back, and several trips to Mammoth Mountain in the Sierras. 1. we always had LOTS of room on the highway. 2. We never had a parking problem where someone parked "too Close". 3. we were known everywhere we went. My dad STILL misses it. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)