"J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> wrote.... >I am sorry if he truly feels that we blame seniors for problems of the world. I thought we usually reserve that for political parties and other countries' leaders. <g> < Naaahhhh... I'm sure he was just funnin' us! ;-) Best, SueB

Hi - heard it all! Tombstones don't 'stray' - they get stolen. My cousin's great-grandparents stones were stolen: another cousin knew by whom. Stones were used as decorations in the jerk's (thief's) garden. Now, that is creepy! My cousin notified the sheriff - the stones were retrieved - the thief was hauled into court, fined, and had to also pay for cost of placing the stones back in the cemetery. This happened in a very small town, so there went whatever reputation the thief had in the first place - it's in the toilet now! It takes a real special SOB to steal tombstones! Shirley: bobert@i-1.net

This is hilarious ROFL. Perhaps this explains why a lot of people can't remember all of the 10 "things" LOL. I really mean no offense GOD, I'm just joking as I always felt you had a sense of humor. Please don't zap my computer, I'll be good. Gail

When I lived in the country, I was building a rock garden and "raided" the property next door that had long been abandoned. There were rocks all over that place, overgrown with weeds. Much later, I turned over one of the stones I took and saw a kind of inscription - the name of a pet roughly chiseled into the stone. I felt terrible! I would have returned it, but couldn't remember where that particular stone had been. I bet genealogists are a whole lot more sensitive to cemeteries and stone markers than other people, and a whole lot more respectful. Sharon IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: <ScismGenie@aol.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Found markers > In a message dated 4/29/2002 9:12:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > jaxone1234@msn.com writes: > > > > Monument companies quite often sell their mistakes to people who want a > > tombstone sized piece of marble, or granite, for whatever purpose. Its not > > as though a tombstone engraving mistake can be erased and done over. > > True, but the statement was that she "found" them, > > I "find them all the time, sometimes as a single gravesite on a farm. > > Sometimes as a stepping stone in front of the farm house, because someone > "found" it first and needed a stepping stone. > > Sometimes they are "found" dumped by the side of a road, and the local > archivist has it, trying to find the proper place. > > As far as "found" markers you want to return , think of this some cemeteries > REQUIRE any marker above ground be removed to facilitate grass mowing. > Sometimes these are replaced by relatives and the old one is taken home by > someone, or discarded. > > Sure I too would try to find out the story on it, but don't always expect to > find what you think initially is true. > > > Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) > ~~ > Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site > Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site > manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: > B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n > d i c o t t, > S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. > Nv.) > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

In a message dated 4/29/2002 9:12:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jaxone1234@msn.com writes: > Monument companies quite often sell their mistakes to people who want a > tombstone sized piece of marble, or granite, for whatever purpose. Its not > as though a tombstone engraving mistake can be erased and done over. True, but the statement was that she "found" them, I "find them all the time, sometimes as a single gravesite on a farm. Sometimes as a stepping stone in front of the farm house, because someone "found" it first and needed a stepping stone. Sometimes they are "found" dumped by the side of a road, and the local archivist has it, trying to find the proper place. As far as "found" markers you want to return , think of this some cemeteries REQUIRE any marker above ground be removed to facilitate grass mowing. Sometimes these are replaced by relatives and the old one is taken home by someone, or discarded. Sure I too would try to find out the story on it, but don't always expect to find what you think initially is true. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

This in from my 92 year old uncle (b. 1911) who got his first computer about 3-4 yrs. ago and has been enjoying the 'net ever since! :-) SueB > > Senior citizens are constantly being criticized for every conceivable deficiency of the modern world, real or imaginary. We know we take responsibility for all we have done and do not blame others. BUT, upon reflection, we would like to point out that it was NOT the senior citizens who took: The melody out of music, the pride out of appearance, the romance out of love, the commitment out of marriage, the responsibility out of parenthood, the togetherness out of the family, the learning out of education, the service out of patriotism, the religion out of school, the Golden Rule from rulers, the nativity scene out of cities, the civility out of behavior, the refinement out of language, the dedication out of employment, the prudence out of spending, or the ambition out of achievement, >> > > And, we certainly are NOT the ones who eliminated patience and tolerance from personal relationships and interactions with others!! Does anyone under the age of 50 know the lyrics to the Star Spangled Banner? Just look at the Seniors with tears in their eyes and pride in their hearts as they stand at attention with their hand over their hearts! Remember.......Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what happened! Yes, I am a SENIOR CITIZEN! I'm the life of the party...even if it lasts until 8 p.m. I'm very good at opening childproof caps with a hammer. I'm usually interested in going home before I get to where I am going. I'm awake many hours before my body allows me to get up. I'm smiling all the time because I can't hear a thing you're saying. I'm very good at telling stories; over and over and over and over... I'm aware that other people's grandchildren are not as cute as mine. I'm so cared for -- long term care, eye care, private care, dental care. I'm not grouchy, I just don't like traffic, waiting, crowds, politicians. I'm sure everything I can't find is in a secure place. I'm wrinkled, saggy, lumpy, and that's just my left leg. I'm having trouble remembering simple words like... I'm realizing that aging is not for wimps. I'm sure they are making adults much younger these days. I'm wondering, if you're only as old as you feel, how could I be alive at 150? I'm a walking storeroom of facts.....I've just lost the storeroom. Yes, I'm a SENIOR CITIZEN and I think I am having the time of my life! >> > Now if I could only remember who sent this to me, I would send it to many more! Did I already send this to you?

Ah, Jan Curtis. I first ran away from home at age 12. There were a few times when I was so hungry that I ate food out of a dumpster outside of a restaurant. Prisons were about as bad. I worked in the kitchen a lot while in prison. I have seen them fry chickens that were riddled with cancer spots. When they crack eggs there was often time feces on the eggshells and some of that fell into the frying pan and no one bothered to pick it out. When you go through the chow line you never know when one of the cooks has had a bad day and spit, or worse, in the food. Sometimes you get a real nut in the kitchen who puts a dab of ammonia in the food. Doesn't kill you but sure gives you diarrhea. I have lived in prison cells that had open trap toilets and at night huge rats come up from the sewers and jump out of your toilet and prowl all over your belongings. I learned a long time ago that in order to keep from starving to death you just closed your eyes and ate what you could and hoped it didn't kill you or make you too sick. After all, the local McDonald's was kind of off limits to me. Do you think a few cat hairs will worry me at this late date ? I mean, I do clean house, I do clean my kitchen. But I do have cats, and I feel sure a cat hair has crept into my food chain now and then. I try not to let that happen, but with all the other contaminants floating around everyone's food supply, a cat hair now and then won't kill me. I would be more worried about the chemicals they use in growing the food long before I ever lay hands on it. And when one eats in a restaurant, do you know the health departments actually allows X number of insect parts to be in the food ? I hold a certified food handler's license here in Oklahoma, know what I am talking about. Check out the FDA rules on foreign bodies in food products, then you may not be so concerned over a cat hair. Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com

Rhonda, We could probably add many more. ISPs are in a position to have all kinds of information on their subscribers. Most admit they "share" (sell) lists to advertisers. Sharon IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhonda Richards" <richardsrs@earthlink.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 10:23 AM Subject: [BSChat] add Yahoo to the list > Yes I would have to agree this is really sleazy! but as a warning, Yahoo > does the same thing! They have a webtracer that traces their mail users all > over the web, then turns this info over to double click and others! You have > to look through their privacy policy and opt out of this. Now that is real > sleazballs for ya!! > > Rhonda IBSSG > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Moses and Computers "Excuse me, Sir." "Is that you again, Moses?" "I'm afraid it is, sir." "What is it this time, Moses. More computer problems?" "How did you guess?" "I don't have to guess, Moses. Remember?" "Oh, yeah. I forgot." "Tell me what you want, Moses." "But you already know. Remember?" "Moses!" "Sorry, sir." "Well, go ahead, Moses. Spit it out." "Well, I have a question, sir. You know those 'ten things' you sent me?" "You mean the Commandments, Moses?" "That's it. I was wondering if they were important." "What do you mean 'were important', Moses? Of course, they're important. Otherwise I wouldn't have sent them to you." "Well, sorry, but I lost them. I could say the dog ate them, but of course you would see right through that." "What do you mean 'you lost them'? Are you trying to tell me you didn't save them, Moses?" "No, sir. I forgot." "You should always save, Moses." "Yeah, I know. You told me that before. I was going to, but I forgot. I did send them to some people before I lost them though." "And did you hear back from any of them?" "You already know I did. What about the one guy who said he never uses 'shalt not'? Can he change the words a little bit?" "Yes, Moses. As long as he doesn't change the meaning." "And what about the guy who thought your stance was a little harsh, and recommended calling them the 'Ten Suggestions,' or letting people pick one or two to try for a while?" "Moses, I'll act like I didn't hear that." "I think that means 'no.' Well, what about the guy who said I was scamming him?" "I think the term is 'spamming,' Moses." "Oh, yeah. I e-mailed him back and told him I don't even eat that stuff, and I have no idea how you can send it to someone through a computer." "And what did he say?" "You know what he said. He used Your name in vain. You don't think he might have sent me one of those - er - plagues, and that's the reason I lost those ten things, do you?" "They're called 'viruses,' Moses." "Whatever! This computer stuff is just too much for me. Can we just go back to those stone tablets? It was hard on my back taking them out and reading them each day, but at least I never lost them." "We'll do it the new way, Moses." "I was afraid you would say that, sir." "Moses, what did I tell you to do if you messed up?" "You told me to hold up this rat and stretch it out toward the computer." "It's a mouse, Moses. Mouse! Mouse! And did you do that?" "No, I decided to try the technical support first. After all, who knows more about this stuff than you, and I really like your hours. By the way, sir, did Noah have two of these mice on the ark?" "No, Moses." "One other thing. Why didn't you name them 'frogs' instead of 'mice,' because didn't you tell me the thing they sit on is a pad?" "I didn't name them, Moses. Man did, and you can call yours a frog if you want to." "Oh, that explains it. Kind of like Adam, huh, sir? I bet some woman told him to call it a mouse. After all, wasn't it a woman who named one of the computers Apple?" "Say good night, Moses." "Wait a minute, sir. I am stretching out the mouse, and it seems to be working. Yes, a couple of the 'ten things' have come back." "Which ones are they, Moses?" "Let's see. 'Thou shalt not steal from any grave an image' and 'Thou shalt not uncover thy neighbor's wife.'" "Turn the computer off, Moses. I'm sending you another set of stone tablets.

There are stone houses that are partially built with old gravestones in the walls. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: ScismGenie@aol.com Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Found markers Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:34:48 EDT In a message dated 4/29/2002 9:12:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jaxone1234@msn.com writes: > Monument companies quite often sell their mistakes to people who want a > tombstone sized piece of marble, or granite, for whatever purpose. Its not > as though a tombstone engraving mistake can be erased and done over. True, but the statement was that she "found" them, I "find them all the time, sometimes as a single gravesite on a farm. Sometimes as a stepping stone in front of the farm house, because someone "found" it first and needed a stepping stone. Sometimes they are "found" dumped by the side of a road, and the local archivist has it, trying to find the proper place. As far as "found" markers you want to return , think of this some cemeteries REQUIRE any marker above ground be removed to facilitate grass mowing. Sometimes these are replaced by relatives and the old one is taken home by someone, or discarded. Sure I too would try to find out the story on it, but don't always expect to find what you think initially is true. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.) _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

EXCELLENT Jeff!! Thanks. I'll pass that on. Sharon IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: <ScismGenie@aol.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Stray Tombstones > In a message dated 4/28/2002 9:31:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > workman@dreamscape.com writes: > > > > I think I would knock myself out to find where it belongs. Failing in that, > > I'd turn it over to..... to whom? > > > > The Coroner's office woud probably help with that, after all, here they are > always trying to find the proper place for "found" bodies, and the > tombstones should go right along. > > Urban Legend otr not, tombstones have been stolen from a lot of gravesites, > and not only famous people's. > > A lot get stolen just before Halloween. > > "Rush" week at some colleges is another time to lock the gates. > > > Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) > ~~ > Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site > Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site > manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: > B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n > d i c o t t, > S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. > Nv.) > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Jack, I recall having a biology teacher in high school who had chosen a favorite brand of catsup (ketchup) based on it having the fewest parts of tomato worm in it. There's rat hair in chocolate. Bound to happen. And who knows how many bugs of all kinds. And it's all legal, up to a certain amount. Big kitchens with lots of cooking going on and stored food are nearly impossible to keep truly clean. Bugs and rodents find them by scent. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BSChat] CATS Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:19:02 -0500 Ah, Jan Curtis. I first ran away from home at age 12. There were a few times when I was so hungry that I ate food out of a dumpster outside of a restaurant. Prisons were about as bad. I worked in the kitchen a lot while in prison. I have seen them fry chickens that were riddled with cancer spots. When they crack eggs there was often time feces on the eggshells and some of that fell into the frying pan and no one bothered to pick it out. When you go through the chow line you never know when one of the cooks has had a bad day and spit, or worse, in the food. Sometimes you get a real nut in the kitchen who puts a dab of ammonia in the food. Doesn't kill you but sure gives you diarrhea. I have lived in prison cells that had open trap toilets and at night huge rats come up from the sewers and jump out of your toilet and prowl all over your belongings. I learned a long time ago that in order to keep from starving to death you just closed your eyes and ate what you could and hoped it didn't kill you or make you too sick. After all, the local McDonald's was kind of off limits to me. Do you think a few cat hairs will worry me at this late date ? I mean, I do clean house, I do clean my kitchen. But I do have cats, and I feel sure a cat hair has crept into my food chain now and then. I try not to let that happen, but with all the other contaminants floating around everyone's food supply, a cat hair now and then won't kill me. I would be more worried about the chemicals they use in growing the food long before I ever lay hands on it. And when one eats in a restaurant, do you know the health departments actually allows X number of insect parts to be in the food ? I hold a certified food handler's license here in Oklahoma, know what I am talking about. Check out the FDA rules on foreign bodies in food products, then you may not be so concerned over a cat hair. Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

lol Your uncle is SO right! I am sorry if he truly feels that we blame seniors for problems of the world. I thought we usually reserve that for political parties and other countries' leaders. <g> Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Sue & Bobby Bates" <bsbates@netease.net> Reply-To: "Sue & Bobby Bates" <bsbates@netease.net> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BSChat] Fw: Senior Citizen Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:26:44 -0500 This in from my 92 year old uncle (b. 1911) who got his first computer about 3-4 yrs. ago and has been enjoying the 'net ever since! :-) SueB > > Senior citizens are constantly being criticized for every conceivable deficiency of the modern world, real or imaginary. We know we take responsibility for all we have done and do not blame others. BUT, upon reflection, we would like to point out that it was NOT the senior citizens who took: The melody out of music, the pride out of appearance, the romance out of love, the commitment out of marriage, the responsibility out of parenthood, the togetherness out of the family, the learning out of education, the service out of patriotism, the religion out of school, the Golden Rule from rulers, the nativity scene out of cities, the civility out of behavior, the refinement out of language, the dedication out of employment, the prudence out of spending, or the ambition out of achievement, >> > > And, we certainly are NOT the ones who eliminated patience and tolerance from personal relationships and interactions with others!! Does anyone under the age of 50 know the lyrics to the Star Spangled Banner? Just look at the Seniors with tears in their eyes and pride in their hearts as they stand at attention with their hand over their hearts! Remember.......Inside every older person is a younger person wondering what happened! Yes, I am a SENIOR CITIZEN! I'm the life of the party...even if it lasts until 8 p.m. I'm very good at opening childproof caps with a hammer. I'm usually interested in going home before I get to where I am going. I'm awake many hours before my body allows me to get up. I'm smiling all the time because I can't hear a thing you're saying. I'm very good at telling stories; over and over and over and over... I'm aware that other people's grandchildren are not as cute as mine. I'm so cared for -- long term care, eye care, private care, dental care. I'm not grouchy, I just don't like traffic, waiting, crowds, politicians. I'm sure everything I can't find is in a secure place. I'm wrinkled, saggy, lumpy, and that's just my left leg. I'm having trouble remembering simple words like... I'm realizing that aging is not for wimps. I'm sure they are making adults much younger these days. I'm wondering, if you're only as old as you feel, how could I be alive at 150? I'm a walking storeroom of facts.....I've just lost the storeroom. Yes, I'm a SENIOR CITIZEN and I think I am having the time of my life! >> > Now if I could only remember who sent this to me, I would send it to many more! Did I already send this to you? ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

If you see someone with a tombstone don't automatically think they have stolen it from somewhere. If you were to come into my house today you will find a marble tombstone, complete with inscriptions. The tombstone is nothing, it was a mistake. I bought that slab of marble to tool leather on. Granite and marble are ideal for tooling leather, no other stone gives you that burnished look to tooled leather. I went to a monument company and bought it. It was a stone they had made for a customer who either didn't want the finished product, or there was a mistake in the lettering. Monument companies quite often sell their mistakes to people who want a tombstone sized piece of marble, or granite, for whatever purpose. Its not as though a tombstone engraving mistake can be erased and done over. Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com

Yes I would have to agree this is really sleazy! but as a warning, Yahoo does the same thing! They have a webtracer that traces their mail users all over the web, then turns this info over to double click and others! You have to look through their privacy policy and opt out of this. Now that is real sleazballs for ya!! Rhonda IBSSG

In a message dated 4/28/2002 9:31:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, workman@dreamscape.com writes: > I think I would knock myself out to find where it belongs. Failing in that, > I'd turn it over to..... to whom? > The Coroner's office woud probably help with that, after all, here they are always trying to find the proper place for "found" bodies, and the tombstones should go right along. Urban Legend otr not, tombstones have been stolen from a lot of gravesites, and not only famous people's. A lot get stolen just before Halloween. "Rush" week at some colleges is another time to lock the gates. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

Sheepers, There is a big discussion taking place on a message board about this subject, and people have actually gotten royally miffed at each other for disagreeing. A woman says she has two tombstones she "found" - one has a date in the late 1800s and is the stone for a baby. The other has a death date of 1990 and is for an adult woman. She "found" the first tombstone 15 years ago, and the second stone 10 years ago. She has kept them, took them with her when she moved from one state to another, and now, after all these years, she is asking what she should do with them. Never mind the story is weak and may be a fable. If you came across a stray tombstone, what would you do? I think I would knock myself out to find where it belongs. Failing in that, I'd turn it over to..... to whom? Sharon IBSSG

Heading to CHAT....... SB ----- Original Message ----- From: "jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 10:07 PM Subject: [BS-L] Re: V's > That's kind of like the joke about the woman who caught a taxi in Hawaii. > Driving along she asked the cab driver: "What is the correct pronunciation > for Hawaii...Hawaee or Havaee?" He told her "Havaee." > > She said: "Oh, thank you so much!" And he said: "You're Velcome." > > Jan C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: JACK CHILDERS <jaxone1234@msn.com> > To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Thursday, April 25, 2002 2:42 PM > Subject: Re: [BS-L] Mary Stickney's dad > > > >Ohhhhh, my name is Yon Yonson, I come fum Visconsion, I vork in a yumber > yard there !! > > > >As sung by my Swedish and Norwegian friends from up there. > > > >Jack Childers in OKC > > > > > >==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > >--- > > > >The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by > each individual submitter. > >The BlackSheep Rootsweb Links page has many Rootsweb based search > engines,as well as links to the BlackSheep Message Boards. > >http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/resources.html > >--- > >The Blacksheep Message boards are at: > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.organization s.blac > ksheep > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > ~~~~~ > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > > Visit the Hall of Shame portion of our website. > http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/shame.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Sleazy, indeed. I don't think that covers it, really. But, I doubth that it'll change. I do hope that the word gets out and Netscape users will start accessing google directly. One thing--if you use a cable server, you IP address changes very often, so any IP address that they may pick up will not be yours for very long. Jan g. ----Original Message Follows---- From: ScismGenie@aol.com Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BSChat] Warning for Netscape Navigator 6.0 users Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 18:26:42 EDT By Brian McWilliams, Newsbytes WASHINGTON, D.C., U.S.A., 07 Mar 2002, 10:29 AM CST AOL Time Warner's [NTSE:AOL] Netscape unit is snooping on searches performed by users of its latest Navigator browser at Google and other search sites. According to a network traffic analysis performed by Newsbytes, Netscape is capturing Navigator 6 users' search terms, along with their Internet protocol (IP) address, the date Navigator was installed and a unique identification number. Anytime a Navigator user performs a search by typing terms into the browser's URL bar and pressing the adjacent Search button, or by using the Search tab on the browser's My Sidebar feature, the user data is sent to a server at info.netscape.com using a uniform resource locator (URL) forwarding system. While search sites such as Google log data about visitors, Netscape is in a unique position to compile a meta-database of search information, according to Marc Maiffret, "chief hacking officer" for Eeye Digital Security. "Why should Netscape know about what I searched for at Google? This is way more information than they need," said Maiffret. Derick Mains, a spokesman for Netscape, said the company developed the URL forwarding system in order to bill participating search sites for sending them traffic. "We just keep track of aggregate numbers and don't monitor any terms or anything. We just need to know how many people are searching via our browser to our search partners, and that's all the information we receive," he said. By default, Navigator's Search function uses Netscape's own search service. But browser users can configure Navigator instead to use search services from Google, Lycos or Overture (formerly Goto). Netscape's interception of Web searches was first noted by Sim IJskes, a Netherlands-based software engineer, on the RISKS mailing list this week. IJskes observed that Navigator installs several scripts that are invoked during searches and forward requests through Netscape's server to the intended search engine. Using Navigator's Search button to perform an inquiry at Google, for example, invokes the URL <A HREF="http://info.netscape.com/fwd/lksidus_gg/http://www.google.com/search"> http://info.netscape.com/fwd/lksidus_gg/http://www.google.com/search</A>. A test of Microsoft's Internet Explorer 6 browser showed that data on searches conducted from IE's search page is sent directly to the designated search site and is not intercepted by Microsoft. Navigator users can avoid having Netscape log their searches by directly accessing a third-party search engine by typing its address into the browser rather than using the Search button or Sidebar. According to Richard M. Smith, an independent privacy watchdog, the privacy policy at Netscape's Web site does not mention that Navigator Search-button users' inquiries at third-party search sites are logged by Netscape. "This is yet another example of a product phoning home. It's a sleazy practice," said Smith. http://www.newsbytes.com/news/02/175035.html Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.) ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

Oh, why yes, I did love my mother. I had to forgive her for all the things she had done to me and learn to love her unconditionally. Once I got past that it was easy. I first met my father when I was 14, saw him a few more times before I turned 16, then never saw him again till he was dead. I never learned to love my father. Jack Childers in OKC