The last I heard, it was $3.75/mo. down here. We don't pay it. The scare tactic that they use is that they charge $65/hr for the repairs inside your home, if *they* do it. My husband (or I) have been know to put in jacks ourselves and if there was a problem in a wire in the wall, we'd know how to handle that, too. And, if we couldn't, there's guys out there that do that work for a living for $25/hr. Because it's that simple to do. About 4 years ago, we were having a problem with a phone line that indicated that the wire was damaged. When I called them, they went over the rules, if it's outside the house, they pay for it, if inside, it's $65 an hour "because you don't have insurance". And then she said "are you sure you want us to come out?", as if I'm not sure I want to use the phone line I'm paying for every month and might be willing to just give up using the phones. (Maybe I should have changed to cellular only way back then...) I had them check the outside *only*. A ground squirrel had chewed into the line. It was not a real simple fix, involved some digging with a back hoe. (When we had moved in, the owner had hired a guy (not Pac Bell) to change something more complicated in the phone system inside the place and the total bill was $50.) Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] GIVING BACK MONEY Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 07:27:58 -0500 I pay the phone company $1.39 a month for the service of repair, no questions asked. Whatever goes wrong I just call them and they come out within 24 hours to repair it, even if my dog did chew the wire in half ! This wire repair thing is just insurance, and no company wants the reputation of not honoring their insurance policies. Jack Childers in OKC ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

Jack, did they mean he couldn't graduate or that he couldn't take part in the graduation ceremony? Could it have been that you were dealing with someone who didn't know the difference? They sure weren't handling it well. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BSChat] GRADUATING Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 07:36:02 -0500 I went to pick David up from school yesterday and was told by the teachers that if David didn't pay for his cap and gown he would not be allowed to graduate from high school, and the money had to be paid that day, in cash, no checks. Well, that just didn't set right with me. I politely informed them that the last I knew it was not illegal to be poor, and that David had earned his graduation through 4 years of school work (he's on the honor roll) and he was going to graduate or the supreme court would be asking why. I didn't have the cash that day. I could have written them a check, but they wouldn't take that. It would be nice if David could have bought the graduation packet, had a real good prom, etc., but I was barely able to buy his graduation pictures and ring, let alone anything else. They finally decided that they would donate his cap and gown to him. I have had so much trouble with this school. No wonder kids want to drop out. Jack Childers in OKC ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

In a message dated 5/1/2002 9:57:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jcurtis@redrock.net writes: > It's all about money with ancestry.com. Besides....they glean all of their > info. from other sources on-line. Ancestry.com does *NOT* microfilm > original records. They are too busy being scavangers of info. Ancestry BUYS exclusive rights to databases, some of which were previously "free", like the "Source" and the Allen Public Library's Genealogy Magazine Index. They do pay transcribers, to convert from whatever text it is in to Internet databases. Do they go to places and Microfilm records? Yes as long as there is a profit in it. Will genealogists use ancestry? YES, they have demonstrated they will. Is ancestry being deceptive in their ads and practices? That is a point of opinion. Will Ancestry automatically bill your credit card for a non-refundable renewal? YES. IF yoiu don't write (by USMail) 30 days before the expiration and CANCEL.(Better spend some extra and get it "certified" Return reciept requested. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

In a message dated 5/1/2002 8:30:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bobert@i-1.net writes: > When was the last time someone had the phone company inside their home > to repair 'inside wire maintenance'? > I did, I called them and told them I wanted my jacks moved and wired for my computer, they came out and did it, no additional charge, our "Inside wire" premium is only $2.75 (everymonth for the past ten years so far,...) Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

<ScismGenie@aol.com> wrote.... http://www.surfnetinc.com/chuck/ladies29.htm here is a phote of William "Smokey" Rogers with Tex Williams and others from the Sons of the Pioneers.< "Smokey" Rogers looks like he *could* be related to Roy Rogers by virtue of the shape of the face, etc. but wasn't Roy's real name Leonard Sly? Would a brother change his surname too? Just a thought..... ;-) Best, SueB

Hi all, this should make lots of people happy. I hope they catch the others. Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member Bo-Peep Award Ogden, Utah, USA "God sent his Singers upon the Earth, With songs of Gladness and Mirth. That they might touch the hearts of men, And bring them to Heaven again." --Longfellow In a message dated 5/1/02 11:20:40 AM Mountain Daylight Time, Njstrahawl5 writes: < http://www.netster.com/news/newsarticle.asp?tblNewsId=4c7c1b26-3773-4be2-82ca- cbcc123f8c74 > > If you get a moment, click on this link. I find this interesting. If this > is really true, then the law people are fighting for us in our behalf. I > am glad they got this guy. He must have goofed up some where. WOW, the > internet can be scary. > I sure do like the 'Notify AOL' icon, sure do use it alot. >

Jack - Have you ever known anyone??: Politician (Clinton)... big business (Enron)... world leader (Arafat/Sharon)... terrorist (Ben Laden)...criminal (O.J.Simpson-Ted Bundy-et al.,) ADMIT to anything they had or have done wrong? Notta! Denial, denial...innocent babes in the woods! And let's not forget yea old lecher King Charles of England, late 1600's. So why should your ONA be different? Lily White & above aboard... Jan C. IBSSG -----Original Message----- From: JACK CHILDERS <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:08 PM Subject: [BSChat] POOR THINGS >Our state gas supplier, ONG, has settled a court case with the corporation commission. They deny any wrong doing, but admit they overcharged us customers 83 million dollars, and have agreed to pay that amount back to us. > >Well excuuuuuuuse me, I just must be in the wrong business. Now what kind of a company is willing to give up 83 million dollars when they admit no wrong doing ? Great cats, if I had to give back 83 dollars it would break me. > >And the disgusting thing is that even after giving back 83 million dollars I bet they will still make a profit. > >Jack Childers in OKC >International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists >http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm >"I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" >Jaxone1234@msn.com > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

In a message dated 5/1/2002 2:29:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, grinch42@mindspring.com writes: > Jeff, it's a very interesting (altho grizzly) story, but there are some > things I don't understand, having spent many years in CA. Tehachapi is in > Kern Co, and Mojave is in Riverside Co. While I think I remember that > there's a highway from Four Corners that goes to Tehachapi, wouldn't it > have been more logical to take her to Antelope Valley to the hosp? > Mojave is in Kern County. Tehachapi is about 20 miles from where the mine IS ( close to my brother's in-laws house) about 15 miles west of Mojave. Lancaster (where Antelope Valley Hospital was built in the late 1960s), is about 40 miles, the only "close full hospital was in China Lake Naval Weapons center, which is a military base. The only full hospital available to the south would have been Palmdale General. almost 60 miles away. Highway 395 crosses Highway 58 at Kramer's Junction (four corners) which is thirty miles EAST of Mojave. (on the other side of BORON). So Tehachapi was closest, even though it was way too late. Some websites state that she was supposedly having an affair with Roy Rogers, but he was in Apple Valley, 45 miles further east, and only later moved to Tehachapi from Apple Valley. There is a WHOLE lot of open desert out there.( for about 400 miles north to Reno, and 100 miles east to Las Vegas) to drop of a body with little hope of it being found. The Antelope Valley is filling fast, but from the Kern County line (Rosamond) north, it is EMPTY. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

Thanks, Jeff, after a quarter of a century, my memory of the geography of the high desert is a bit fuzzy (to say the least). Mike IBSSG > [Original Message] > From: <ScismGenie@aol.com> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 5/1/2002 7:45:54 PM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Spade Cooley Murder case > > In a message dated 5/1/2002 2:29:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > grinch42@mindspring.com writes: > > > > Jeff, it's a very interesting (altho grizzly) story, but there are some > > things I don't understand, having spent many years in CA. Tehachapi is in > > Kern Co, and Mojave is in Riverside Co. While I think I remember that > > there's a highway from Four Corners that goes to Tehachapi, wouldn't it > > have been more logical to take her to Antelope Valley to the hosp? > > > > Mojave is in Kern County. Tehachapi is about 20 miles from where the mine IS > ( close to my brother's in-laws house) about 15 miles west of Mojave. > > Lancaster (where Antelope Valley Hospital was built in the late 1960s), is > about 40 miles, the only "close full hospital was in China Lake Naval > Weapons center, which is a military base. The only full hospital available > to the south would have been Palmdale General. almost 60 miles away. > > Highway 395 crosses Highway 58 at Kramer's Junction (four corners) which is > thirty miles EAST of Mojave. (on the other side of BORON). > > So Tehachapi was closest, even though it was way too late. > > Some websites state that she was supposedly having an affair with Roy > Rogers, but he was in Apple Valley, 45 miles further east, and only later > moved to Tehachapi from Apple Valley. > > There is a WHOLE lot of open desert out there.( for about 400 miles north to > Reno, and 100 miles east to Las Vegas) to drop of a body with little hope of > it being found. > > The Antelope Valley is filling fast, but from the Kern County line (Rosamond) > north, it is EMPTY. > > > Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) > ~~ > Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site > Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site > manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: > B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n > d i c o t t, > S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. > Nv.) > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Shuler Michael --- grinch42@mindspring.com --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.

Jeff, it's a very interesting (altho grizzly) story, but there are some things I don't understand, having spent many years in CA. Tehachapi is in Kern Co, and Mojave is in Riverside Co. While I think I remember that there's a highway from Four Corners that goes to Tehachapi, wouldn't it have been more logical to take her to Antelope Valley to the hosp? Mike IBSSG > [Original Message] > From: <ScismGenie@aol.com> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 5/1/2002 3:15:04 PM > Subject: [BSChat] Spade Cooley Murder case > > Weird S cenes Inside the Goldmine > > Donnell Clyde "Spade" Cooley was charged with murder in the first degree. The > State of California charged that Spade "did willfully, on the night of April > 3rd, kick, > beat, and strangle Ella Mae Cooley, his wife." The crime took place at > Spade's plush desert ranch near the community of Mojave, during a "wild, > drunken attempt to > reconcile their wrecked marriage." > > Spade entered a plea of ''not guilty and not guilty by reason of insanity." > Spade liked to dress in "some of those $500 handmade western suits, white > Stetson and a > string tie and expensive boots." > > 48 years old, Spade had money, n' plenty of money. The song that made him > rich was "Shame." Shame on You. Runnin' round with other guys, now you think > that's > mighty wise, dern your heart. Oh, Shame on You!" > > In Los Angeles, Portland, Seattle, Oakland, and back east, crowds flocked to > see and hear "The little man with a big talent in the land of > the jig-saw beat". > > Spade was starting an all-girl hillbilly-western band, and he was "God love > 'em, gonna put them girls on television. I'm gonna dress 'em up in > white leather with fringes and I'm gonna make > 'em stars no matter what anybody says. > > " Ella Mae "was just turned twenty" when the two wed. According to Spade, she > was "the purtiest little filly in California." > > The girl band didn't work and Spade's "Big Show" was canceled, so Spade > bought some Southern California San Fernando Valley Real Estate. A big chunk > of it. > > He took Ella Mae and his daughter Melody there to live and threw himself into > the Real Estate business. > > In the short months ahead, what had seemed to be an ideal love match turned > into hate. Spade filed for a divorce from Ella Mae. He charged > incompatibility and > won custody of Melody, 14 years, and Donnell, 12 years. > > Ten days later, shortly before midnight, on April 3rd, Mojave ambulance > driver Richard Stickel got a call. The erratic voice identified himself as > Spade Cooley. > Stickel said Cooley told him his Ella Mae was "bad hurt" and to come at once. > > > When he arrived at The Cooley ranch, Stickel said Cooley appeared to be in > shock. Two girls met him at the door and led him inside to Ella Mae, wrapped > in a > blanket. She was bloody and unconscious. > > At the nearby Tehachapi Valley hospital, Ella Mae was pronounced dead on > arrival. The hospital notified the sheriff's department. Cooley was picked > up. At first, he > told the cops the various bruises on Ella Mae's body were caused when she > fell from a car several days before. > > A few days later an announcement from Capitol Records said a song, entitled > 'Cold Gray Bars," written by Donnell (Spade) Cooley, now > in jail awaiting trial for murder, had been recorded > for national distribution." > > Spade's "little sweetheart," Melody, and his daughter-in-law, Dorothy Lee, > told the police a different story from the one Spade recounted. > Melody told the jury she was "called" to the ranch from a nearby home where > she had been staying since her parents separated. > > "When I entered, he (Spade) was on the phone. He was talking to his business > partner and he said, 'Don't call the police.' He was real > sweaty and he had blood spots on his pants. > > "He put down the phone and said, 'Come in here. I want you to see your > mother. She's going to tell you something.'" > > Melody continued: "He took hold of my arm and took me into the den. The > shower was running in the bathroom. Mother was in the shower. He opened the > door > and said, 'Get up. Melody's here. . . talk to her.' He grabbed her by the > hair and dragged her into the den with both hands. She was undressed. He > banged her head > on the floor twice. He called her a slut. She couldn't move. She seemed > unconscious. He turned back to Mother and said, 'We'll see if you're dead.' > Then he > stomped her in the stomach with his left foot. He took a cigarette which he > had been smoking and burned her twice." > > Melody said at this point the telephone began ringing, and when her father > went to answer it, she tried desperately to revive her mother with cold > water. She > couldn't. She said Spade came back into the room and told her not to "say > anything to the police or I might have to kill you." > > Then she shuddered, and said: "He told me, 'You're going to watch me kill > her, Melody. If you don't, I'll kill you too. I'll kill us all." When he > walked out of the room > again, the girl said she slipped out a side door and ran for her life. > > Spade's daughter-in-law, Dorothy Lee, told the jury she went to the ranch > later in the evening, and found Cooley wearing bloodstained clothing. She > said she left to > call her husband in Los Angeles. > > Eight days after the trial began, Spade's daughter-in-law brought his > five-year-old grandaughter into the courtroom to see him. > > When Spade saw the child, he bolted towards the big double > doors at the back of the room. > > Just before he got there two deputy sheriffs raced over, grabbed him and > slammed him against the wall. > > The room was in an uproar. The court bailiff roared an order. "Don't hurt > him. He's not trying to get away from us! Bring him back here." > > As the excited hubbub quieted down, the daughter-in-law quickly grabbed her > daughter and left the room by the side entrance. As she left the room the > crowd heard > the child ask: "Momma where was grandpa going?" > > The state rested its case. It was Spade's turn at the plate. He killed Ella > Mae in a fit of rage after she had revealed her involvement in a sex cult. He > refused to name > the cult itself, but his descriptions of acts of sodomy was a lurid, graphic > one. But this story didn't satisfy the Jury. > > On August 19, 1961, Cooley was found guilty of murder one. He had three > routes left: commitment to a State Institution for the Criminally Insane, San > Quentin > Prison--life imprisonment, or he would walk into a small octagon-shaped room > painted green. The Golden State uses gas instead of electricity for its legal > executions. > > On Aug. 22, after Spade had withdrawn an insanity plea and had waived a > penalty finding, Superior Judge William L. Bradshaw sentenced him to life > imprisonment. > Spade's defense attorney announced that he would appeal the conviction, > however the appeal was unsuccessful. > > > http://www.hotad.com/spade.HTML > > > > Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) > ~~ > Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site > Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site > manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: > B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n > d i c o t t, > S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. > Nv.) > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Shuler Michael --- grinch42@mindspring.com --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.

Weird S cenes Inside the Goldmine Donnell Clyde "Spade" Cooley was charged with murder in the first degree. The State of California charged that Spade "did willfully, on the night of April 3rd, kick, beat, and strangle Ella Mae Cooley, his wife." The crime took place at Spade's plush desert ranch near the community of Mojave, during a "wild, drunken attempt to reconcile their wrecked marriage." Spade entered a plea of ''not guilty and not guilty by reason of insanity." Spade liked to dress in "some of those $500 handmade western suits, white Stetson and a string tie and expensive boots." 48 years old, Spade had money, n' plenty of money. The song that made him rich was "Shame." Shame on You. Runnin' round with other guys, now you think that's mighty wise, dern your heart. Oh, Shame on You!" In Los Angeles, Portland, Seattle, Oakland, and back east, crowds flocked to see and hear "The little man with a big talent in the land of the jig-saw beat". Spade was starting an all-girl hillbilly-western band, and he was "God love 'em, gonna put them girls on television. I'm gonna dress 'em up in white leather with fringes and I'm gonna make 'em stars no matter what anybody says. " Ella Mae "was just turned twenty" when the two wed. According to Spade, she was "the purtiest little filly in California." The girl band didn't work and Spade's "Big Show" was canceled, so Spade bought some Southern California San Fernando Valley Real Estate. A big chunk of it. He took Ella Mae and his daughter Melody there to live and threw himself into the Real Estate business. In the short months ahead, what had seemed to be an ideal love match turned into hate. Spade filed for a divorce from Ella Mae. He charged incompatibility and won custody of Melody, 14 years, and Donnell, 12 years. Ten days later, shortly before midnight, on April 3rd, Mojave ambulance driver Richard Stickel got a call. The erratic voice identified himself as Spade Cooley. Stickel said Cooley told him his Ella Mae was "bad hurt" and to come at once. When he arrived at The Cooley ranch, Stickel said Cooley appeared to be in shock. Two girls met him at the door and led him inside to Ella Mae, wrapped in a blanket. She was bloody and unconscious. At the nearby Tehachapi Valley hospital, Ella Mae was pronounced dead on arrival. The hospital notified the sheriff's department. Cooley was picked up. At first, he told the cops the various bruises on Ella Mae's body were caused when she fell from a car several days before. A few days later an announcement from Capitol Records said a song, entitled 'Cold Gray Bars," written by Donnell (Spade) Cooley, now in jail awaiting trial for murder, had been recorded for national distribution." Spade's "little sweetheart," Melody, and his daughter-in-law, Dorothy Lee, told the police a different story from the one Spade recounted. Melody told the jury she was "called" to the ranch from a nearby home where she had been staying since her parents separated. "When I entered, he (Spade) was on the phone. He was talking to his business partner and he said, 'Don't call the police.' He was real sweaty and he had blood spots on his pants. "He put down the phone and said, 'Come in here. I want you to see your mother. She's going to tell you something.'" Melody continued: "He took hold of my arm and took me into the den. The shower was running in the bathroom. Mother was in the shower. He opened the door and said, 'Get up. Melody's here. . . talk to her.' He grabbed her by the hair and dragged her into the den with both hands. She was undressed. He banged her head on the floor twice. He called her a slut. She couldn't move. She seemed unconscious. He turned back to Mother and said, 'We'll see if you're dead.' Then he stomped her in the stomach with his left foot. He took a cigarette which he had been smoking and burned her twice." Melody said at this point the telephone began ringing, and when her father went to answer it, she tried desperately to revive her mother with cold water. She couldn't. She said Spade came back into the room and told her not to "say anything to the police or I might have to kill you." Then she shuddered, and said: "He told me, 'You're going to watch me kill her, Melody. If you don't, I'll kill you too. I'll kill us all." When he walked out of the room again, the girl said she slipped out a side door and ran for her life. Spade's daughter-in-law, Dorothy Lee, told the jury she went to the ranch later in the evening, and found Cooley wearing bloodstained clothing. She said she left to call her husband in Los Angeles. Eight days after the trial began, Spade's daughter-in-law brought his five-year-old grandaughter into the courtroom to see him. When Spade saw the child, he bolted towards the big double doors at the back of the room. Just before he got there two deputy sheriffs raced over, grabbed him and slammed him against the wall. The room was in an uproar. The court bailiff roared an order. "Don't hurt him. He's not trying to get away from us! Bring him back here." As the excited hubbub quieted down, the daughter-in-law quickly grabbed her daughter and left the room by the side entrance. As she left the room the crowd heard the child ask: "Momma where was grandpa going?" The state rested its case. It was Spade's turn at the plate. He killed Ella Mae in a fit of rage after she had revealed her involvement in a sex cult. He refused to name the cult itself, but his descriptions of acts of sodomy was a lurid, graphic one. But this story didn't satisfy the Jury. On August 19, 1961, Cooley was found guilty of murder one. He had three routes left: commitment to a State Institution for the Criminally Insane, San Quentin Prison--life imprisonment, or he would walk into a small octagon-shaped room painted green. The Golden State uses gas instead of electricity for its legal executions. On Aug. 22, after Spade had withdrawn an insanity plea and had waived a penalty finding, Superior Judge William L. Bradshaw sentenced him to life imprisonment. Spade's defense attorney announced that he would appeal the conviction, however the appeal was unsuccessful. http://www.hotad.com/spade.HTML Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

In a message dated 5/1/2002 1:07:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ScismGenie@aol.com writes: > > <A HREF="http://www.surfnetinc.com/chuck/ladies29.htm">Donna Martell</A> here is a phote of William "Smokey" Rogers with Tex > Williams > and others from the Sons of the Pioneers. > I used to know Roy and Dale (Evans) Rogers, so I immediately thought of the Apple Valley connection. Jeff Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

In a message dated 5/1/2002 12:57:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > Wow, good thinking Jeff! I didn't consider the possibility of him being > somehow related to Roy Rogers. Sure would make sense. Smokey was supposedly > > one of the original members of the Pioneers group. Just never had heard of > any other connection with Roy, like family. > > Jan G. > <A HREF="http://www.surfnetinc.com/chuck/ladies29.htm">Donna Martell</A> here is a phote of William "Smokey" Rogers with Tex Williams and others from the Sons of the Pioneers. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

Smokey ROGERS Composer of "Gone" performed by Ferlin Husky in 1952 and "My Chickashay Gal" popularized by Roy Rogers. Later recorded for 4 Star and Capitol. Last known to be running a pro music shop in El Cajon, CA. From Google search ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Goodwin" <dale@feather.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 3:32 PM Subject: [BSChat] REAL NAMES > Roy Rogers original name was Loenard Slye. This does not mean that he and Smokey Rogers were not brothers. Info from World Alamanac. Dale Goodwin > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

In a message dated 5/1/2002 11:20:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > By sometime about 1960 or so, the TV show was gone and it seems like > sometime after that Smokey moved to Apple Valley and had a ballroom type > place up there. Don't know if he's alive or not. > > But, I sure do have memories of his show on tv, in black and white, on our > little 12" screen with the convex sides, inside the "blonde" wood cabinet. > > Jan G. > Since he was a "sons of the Pioneers" veteran, and that was Roy's group, and Roy Rogers (His Brother?) Moved to Apple Valley and opened the Apple Valley Inn, and the Roy Rogers Museum, perhaps the Museum would know? Perhaps his Ballroom was at the Apple Valley Inn. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

Now, I need to go to my mom's house and find that 8X10 of me and the other kids with Smokey Rogers taken on the set of his show. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: ScismGenie@aol.com Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: [BS-L] Spade Cooley/band member Smokey Rogers Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 16:06:51 EDT In a message dated 5/1/2002 12:57:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > Wow, good thinking Jeff! I didn't consider the possibility of him being > somehow related to Roy Rogers. Sure would make sense. Smokey was supposedly > > one of the original members of the Pioneers group. Just never had heard of > any other connection with Roy, like family. > > Jan G. > <A HREF="http://www.surfnetinc.com/chuck/ladies29.htm">Donna Martell</A> here is a phote of William "Smokey" Rogers with Tex Williams and others from the Sons of the Pioneers. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.) ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

Hi, Sheepers! When corporations say 'they are giving back money for overcharging', don't hold your breath (I know none of you would anyway!). Bell South (in Florida and wherever) grossly overcharged customers. So - they were ordered to "re-pay". So - what do they do! A few cents deducted from monthly bills for about six months. But - they had 'use' of that money for months before they were caught. And - as far as I am concerned, Bell South charges a home owner as an Optional Service - $4.75** a month for "inside wire maintenance service plan". The double asterick at the bottom of the bill page: "Unregulared Charge. Nonpayment of these items will not result in disconnection of your local service. However, collection of unpaid charges may be pursued by the Service Provider." When was the last time someone had the phone company inside their home to repair 'inside wire maintenance'? AND - if you think you are not paying an 'extra' Internet Fee to your phone company, think again! Bell South charges - in the name of the FCC - $5.00 a month per line. I don't believe this has anything to do with a Long Distance company - but the Internet itself. above is a charge to recover costs associated with connecting to a telecommunications service provider's interstate network. There is no 'double asterick' after this amount. AND - a charge of $.12 per line per month for: "the Telecommunications Access System Act Surcharge - A surcharge to fund the relay center that assists the hearing and speech impaired communicate with telecommunications providers." Another 'double asterick' after the $.12 charge. above I don't mind paying IF it is really going for what it states it is. To top off the above, just in the past couple of months, the Florida Legislature passed a law that would allow telephone companies to increase the basic residential line to - get this reason - defray costs for senior citizens to better utilize long distance service, over time. Little Jebbie vetoed that one. First thing he's ever done right for the citizens of Florida, to my belief. How many customers does Bell South have - I haven't a clue...but it must be in the millions. Off my chest - have a great day! Shirley: bobert@i-1.net

That should have said Leonard. My mistake. Dale

Roy Rogers original name was Loenard Slye. This does not mean that he and Smokey Rogers were not brothers. Info from World Alamanac. Dale Goodwin

Wow, good thinking Jeff! I didn't consider the possibility of him being somehow related to Roy Rogers. Sure would make sense. Smokey was supposedly one of the original members of the Pioneers group. Just never had heard of any other connection with Roy, like family. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: ScismGenie@aol.com Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: [BS-L] Spade Cooley/band member Smokey Rogers Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 14:29:53 EDT In a message dated 5/1/2002 11:20:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > By sometime about 1960 or so, the TV show was gone and it seems like > sometime after that Smokey moved to Apple Valley and had a ballroom type > place up there. Don't know if he's alive or not. > > But, I sure do have memories of his show on tv, in black and white, on our > little 12" screen with the convex sides, inside the "blonde" wood cabinet. > > Jan G. > Since he was a "sons of the Pioneers" veteran, and that was Roy's group, and Roy Rogers (His Brother?) Moved to Apple Valley and opened the Apple Valley Inn, and the Roy Rogers Museum, perhaps the Museum would know? Perhaps his Ballroom was at the Apple Valley Inn. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.) ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com