Where's our personal expert, mortician? Where's Del the Dragon? We need help on the best sources for DNA... Jan C.
The pain medication (patch) that killed A.J. was FENTANYL. Charlotte just got the certified autopsy report. Has anyone heard of it, used it, know anything about it? (They also found a tiny cancer on his liver...so he would have faced that down-the-road). Jan C.
Jack, sorry about that, I just could not resist, Ok so I have a dirt track mind, I admit that quite freely! >Too bad the mama didn't leave years ago before Kade got to know her.< My kids dad has crawled from under his rock, after 6 years, and boy does the sun shine right out of his Ass, to my kids, well it did for a week or so, and to my daughter he is the DB's, sometimes it really can be better for the kids f the parent never comes back after leaving from the childs life from an early age, but chances are when Kade grows up she will either not have a bar of "mama" or she will want to know her, want to know why she left "her", much as you have mom and dad to Kade as I have been to mine, the "real" thing can often have an appeal we just can't understand, All you can do, is like I am doing gritting my teeth and bearing it! for the sake of my kids, as I know in my heart that when they have kids of their own, they will see things very differently, and they will know that a parent is not someone wo turns up now and again with pressies and stupid excuses! hang in there buddy Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms has Ties At The Back? List Admin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Attachments are not enclosed unless previously notified My AVG is updated every 24 hours Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02
I'll bet Jack's just trying to give you a run-for-money on pains, Mel... :) I'll bet he had tendonitis in his wrist (he wrenched it somehow)...tendonitis causes horrid pain. I had it in my right wrist once. I have arthritis in my neck, and the two pains are totally different. I'm almost afraid to ask, but how are things going? Jan C. -----Original Message----- From: Mellie <Mel@i12.com> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, May 03, 2002 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] ACHES AND PAINS >Jack Wrote: >>For the past week I have been going through an acute attack of arthritis in >my right arm, specifically in wrist. < >do I really need to say anything here! LOL >Mellie >IBSSG > >How Come My Coat Of Arms has Ties At The Back? > >List Admin: > AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com >BATE-L@rootsweb.com > BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com >HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Attachments are not enclosed unless previously notified >My AVG is updated every 24 hours >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >
Jack Wrote: >For the past week I have been going through an acute attack of arthritis in my right arm, specifically in wrist. < do I really need to say anything here! LOL Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms has Ties At The Back? List Admin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Attachments are not enclosed unless previously notified My AVG is updated every 24 hours Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02
Let me try to address this DNA from hair topic as best I can...hair can be broken down as to cellular structure, hue, etc., but technically once it pushes through the scalp it is "dead". No ladies, don't condemn me for saying it that way...it's not an insult. But the gradual cellular decay over time, combined with efforts to maintain cleanliness (well...let's at least HOPE the effort is made), is ultimately going to end with trimming, due to split ends. For a DNA sample to be taken, it can be from any tissue which has not ossified (that word isn't truly what I'm trying for, since that means turning to either bone or stone [which most people would call petrified]), but I think you will get the idea. It does, as Jan said, have to come from some at least RELATIVELY soft tissue. Bone marrow works centuries later, quite often. However, I certainly don't advocate exhumation of all buried bodies to obtain DNA specimens. But hair falls into the same category as finger or toe nails...they can be analyzed for chemical & cellular makeup, but not DNA...they're dead when they emerge from the skin. Mike IBSSG > [Original Message] > From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 5/3/2002 5:08:49 PM > Subject: Re: [BS-L] Re:DNA from hair > > > > Something else... DNA from hair, and anywhere on the outside, is bound to be > more contaminated, which is a real problem. That's why they like soft tissue > DNA from places that were not exposed. > > Secondly, the DNA from some places lasts longer than from other places on > the body. Again, it has to do with exposure, but also with the source, be it > bone or nerve or soft tissue. And also the conditions and environment around > the corpse, wet, dry or whatever. > > Jan G. > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > Reply-To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BS-L] Re:DNA from hair > Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 14:55:19 -0700 > > > Ruthie, I know they've used hair to ID a corpse. They've compared the color > and structure. I've never heard of them using the DNA. And it still wouldn't > solve the problem of verifying the real source of the old hair. Things > passed down for a couple generations don't always originate from the person > it's said to come from. And that's a problem that could really throw a > wrench in the works. > > Jan G. > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Ruthie Jones" <ruthiejones@theofficenet.com> > Reply-To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BS-L] Re:DNA from hair > Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 07:25:01 -0700 > > DNA is in every cell in our bodies, including hair. "Soft" tissue is not a > factor. Frequently, > forensic scientists use hair to ID a corpse. So, yes, those locks of hair > in lockets, old > letters, etc., can be used to confirm familial lineage. > Ruthie > I don't know if they can, Jack, have never heard of it. I think it has to > be > blood or soft tissue, even nerve tissue from teeth. They can match hair > with > hair, but I think that's all. > Jan G. > > > I wonder if you can get a DNA reading from old hair ? I know a lot of > people collected old hair from some of their deceased loved ones. 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In a message dated 5/2/02 8:41:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jaxone1234@msn.com writes: > I have had so much trouble with this school. No wonder kids want to drop > out. > > Jack Childers in OKC "Parents, too " Jack? Good job.... Sometimes we want to drop out too. LOL Robin
The Army used to do a DNA test and put it in your medical record. They took a small swab with small bristles on it and rubbed it down the inside of your cheek, your mouth cheek, for you sheepers with the quick whit. One swap for each cheek. Then sent to the lab. Results came back on where the DNA was stored. This was to ID the bodies if there wasn't anyother way to identify them. Whitewolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [BS-L] Re:DNA from hair > > > Something else... DNA from hair, and anywhere on the outside, is bound to be > more contaminated, which is a real problem. That's why they like soft tissue > DNA from places that were not exposed. > > Secondly, the DNA from some places lasts longer than from other places on > the body. Again, it has to do with exposure, but also with the source, be it > bone or nerve or soft tissue. And also the conditions and environment around > the corpse, wet, dry or whatever. > > Jan G. > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > Reply-To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BS-L] Re:DNA from hair > Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 14:55:19 -0700 > > > Ruthie, I know they've used hair to ID a corpse. They've compared the color > and structure. I've never heard of them using the DNA. And it still wouldn't > solve the problem of verifying the real source of the old hair. Things > passed down for a couple generations don't always originate from the person > it's said to come from. And that's a problem that could really throw a > wrench in the works. > > Jan G. > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Ruthie Jones" <ruthiejones@theofficenet.com> > Reply-To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BS-L] Re:DNA from hair > Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 07:25:01 -0700 > > DNA is in every cell in our bodies, including hair. "Soft" tissue is not a > factor. Frequently, > forensic scientists use hair to ID a corpse. So, yes, those locks of hair > in lockets, old > letters, etc., can be used to confirm familial lineage. > Ruthie > I don't know if they can, Jack, have never heard of it. I think it has to > be > blood or soft tissue, even nerve tissue from teeth. They can match hair > with > hair, but I think that's all. > Jan G. > > > I wonder if you can get a DNA reading from old hair ? I know a lot of > people collected old hair from some of their deceased loved ones. It > seems > to me that would be the only way one could prove anything, through direct > DNA samples. > > Jack Childers in OKC > > > > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > --- > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by > each individual submitter. > TENDER LAMB CORNER: If your Blacksheep is still living, or public posting > may cause trouble, send the information to our TLC Coordinator, Sue Bates; > BSBates@netease.net, Confidentiality maintained. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > ~~~~ > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by > each individual submitter. > > http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/mia.html > This is the POW/MIA Links and Database. > A complete list by Service Branch of POW/MIA/KIAs in Vietnam is here. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > --- > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > TENDER LAMB CORNER: If your Blacksheep is still living, or public posting may cause trouble, send the information to our TLC Coordinator, Sue Bates; BSBates@netease.net, Confidentiality maintained. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >
Family is everything to me also. My Granny whom I loved dearly used to say whatever didn't kill you made you stronger. Kade and you will be stronger, this will not kill you, and together you will get through it. She is a very lucky young lady to have someone who loves her so much. I don't think the Jack of today would ever just chuck it and take off. Whitewolf > Well, Whitewolf, life can make you or break you. I hope, whatever life I have lived, that it has made me. Although, at times like this, I feel close to breaking. This woman leaving our child has me upset to no end. If I were to bow to any alter it would be for family and what she has done goes against every fiber of my body and soul. Anyone who is into genealogy knows the value of family. Today's situation has me feeling those old thoughts and feelings of just chucking it all and taking off somewhere. Its like watching a sand castle being washed out to sea.
He likes complex characters, interesting characters. He's also a very compassionate man. Very down to earth and non-Hollywood. A guy from Arkansas who doesn't put on airs and cares about people. Look around on the net. I bet you'll find an address for him somewhere, perhaps under 'celebrity addresses'. The same day you mail a copy to him, mail a copy to yourself, return receipt, with a date stamp from the postmaster/clerk, so there's never any question of authorship. Sometimes things don't get to the hands you intend them for... Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Jack's story Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 08:56:23 -0500 How would I contact Billy Bob Thornton ? He's kind of of known for making films about odd people isn't he ? Jack Childers in OKC ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Jack, is there any woman in Kade's life that she can look up to as a mom-figure? One more stable than her real mom? I know it's not the same, but it might help fill the void. Would it help if you told Kade that it's ok to tell her mom just how she feels, not just a good-bye? Why bottle all that up? If Kade feels like she's about to be 'abandoned' by her mom, that seems like a lot not to be talking about. As for pulling up stakes and moving, that doesn't really sound like a bad thing to me. Isn't it time for a fresh start somewhere? You aren't the same man you were 30 years ago, but it seems like the place you're living treats you like you are--or worse yet, like the man they thought you were. You deserve better. Jan g. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] ACHES AND PAINS Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 10:12:52 -0500 Well, Whitewolf, life can make you or break you. I hope, whatever life I have lived, that it has made me. Although, at times like this, I feel close to breaking. This woman leaving our child has me upset to no end. If I were to bow to any alter it would be for family and what she has done goes against every fiber of my body and soul. Anyone who is into genealogy knows the value of family. Today's situation has me feeling those old thoughts and feelings of just chucking it all and taking off somewhere. Its like watching a sand castle being washed out to sea. Jack Childers in OKC ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
lol Mellie, sometimes you're too quick!! I missed it entirely. lol I guess Jack's got motivation to become ambidexterous. Jan g. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mellie" <Mel@i12.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] ACHES AND PAINS Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 20:40:59 +0100 Jack Wrote: >For the past week I have been going through an acute attack of arthritis in my right arm, specifically in wrist. < do I really need to say anything here! LOL Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms has Ties At The Back? List Admin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Attachments are not enclosed unless previously notified My AVG is updated every 24 hours Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
Hi, Sheepers! Maybe I missed any discussion on this subject, but have any of you been receiving msgs. from rootsweb digest or other non-rootsweb websites that you subscribe to that begin with a whole bunch of astericks - and states "this is probably a SPAM message"? I receive less now than previously, but it is still strange, nevertheless. I just delete them all immediately. I believe in taking no prisoners or chances! Shirley: bobert@i-1.net
Well, Whitewolf, life can make you or break you. I hope, whatever life I have lived, that it has made me. Although, at times like this, I feel close to breaking. This woman leaving our child has me upset to no end. If I were to bow to any alter it would be for family and what she has done goes against every fiber of my body and soul. Anyone who is into genealogy knows the value of family. Today's situation has me feeling those old thoughts and feelings of just chucking it all and taking off somewhere. Its like watching a sand castle being washed out to sea. Jack Childers in OKC
How would I contact Billy Bob Thornton ? He's kind of of known for making films about odd people isn't he ? Jack Childers in OKC
You know, Jan G., you are so right. When my own mother died I was greatly sad, not especially about her dying, but over what could have been between us and never was. I wasn't done knowing my mother and there she died on me ! Yes, I realize Kade has erected a defense mechanism about her mama and there is really nothing I can do about it except be there for her. I worked so hard to try and make a family for Kade's sake, putting up with everything from fit throwing to attempted murder on her part, and it was all for nothing. Hindsight would have me ship mama off the day Kade was born, but that's hindsight. Oh well, we go on. Jack Childers in OKC
Thank God she has you. You know for someone who has been around the block more times than remembered and the block kept changing, you are a very sweet caring individual. Whitewolf > That's such a hard stance for a little girl to take.
For the past week I have been going through an acute attack of arthritis in my right arm, specifically in wrist. It made it almost impossible to type, shave, pick anything up, or even turn the key in my car ignition. I would try to do something and the pain would be so bad it would make me cry. Finally got to see my doctor last night (his office is only open from 5 pm to 8 pm) and he prescribed Feldene. After two pills the pain is gone. I can still feel a certain tightness in the movement of my wrist, but the searing pain is gone. I have had a touch of arthritis all of my life but never that painful. On another front, still aches and pains, Kade's mama is flying to Florida today. She says is only going for a visit, but neither I nor Kade believe that. She has packed all her favorite things and gave the rest away, cut all ties to people she knows, said her permanent goodbye to friends, etc, so it sounds to me like she is going to get down there and stay . She has done me so many bad turns I won't miss her, but for what she will be doing to Kade I will never forgive her. Kade told her goodbye last night and this morning Kade won't even go say goodbye again, said she done said her goodbye. Kade hasn't said much about it except that if her mama doesn't come back she never wants to hear from her again. That's such a hard stance for a little girl to take. Too bad the mama didn't leave years ago before Kade got to know her. Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com
For the past week I have been going through an acute attack of arthritis in my right arm, specifically in wrist. It made it almost impossible to type, shave, pick anything up, or even turn the key in my car ignition. I would try to do something and the pain would be so bad it would make me cry. Finally got to see my doctor last night (his office is only open from 5 pm to 8 pm) and he prescribed Feldene. After two pills the pain is gone. I can still feel a certain tightness in the movement of my wrist, but the searing pain is gone. I have had a touch of arthritis all of my life but never that painful. On another front, still aches and pains, Kade's mama is flying to Florida today. She says is only going for a visit, but neither I nor Kade believe that. She has packed all her favorite things and gave the rest away, cut all ties to people she knows, said her permanent goodbye to friends, etc, so it sounds to me like she is going to get down there and stay . She has done me so many bad turns I won't miss her, but for what she will be doing to Kade I will never forgive her. Kade told her goodbye last night and this morning Kade won't even go say goodbye again, said she done said her goodbye. Kade hasn't said much about it except that if her mama doesn't come back she never wants to hear from her again. That's such a hard stance for a little girl to take. Too bad the mama didn't leave years ago before Kade got to know her. Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com
Jack, I saw Billy Bob Thornton on TV last night, a bio and interviews with him. I think you ought to get your story together and send it to him. Jan G. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx