Jan G., I have lost so many things when I was arrested. I mean, you are set up in a house or apartment, full of belongings, they arrest you and supposedly take all your stuff to the jail house, but it never turns up later, just lost, no record of where it went. Mostly jewelry, cash, ID, things of that nature. You get out of jail, sometimes !!, go back to your digs and there is nothing and no one knows where it went. I have been arested in bus stations with several suitcases, they took the suitcases with me to jail, but somewhere along the line they all disappear and no one has the faintest idea where they are. Jack Childers in OKC

In 1960 I live in the Los Angeles metro area in one place or another. I was an assistant manager of a Bond's Clothing Store on Wilshire Blvd. I had a collection of medieval weapons hanging on my apartment wall. I had thrown a Christmas party for some social friends and they all got drunk and a fight broke out and one of them tried to bash the brains out of another one with the mace. The police came and hauled them all off, except for me because I was the only person there not drunk (I have never drank). I was lucky they didn't take me too because they could have charged me with any number of things. These people at the party were all professional people, doctors, lawyers, etc, and I was so disappointed in their behavior that I quit associating with those types of people. In fact, I was so gun shy over the behavior of other people that I almost became a hermit, would not associate with anyone. I quit my job and moved to Chicago where I managed a hotel called The Sheldrake . Jack Childers in OKC

Boy you got that right Jan Curtis !! She hates my guts, make no bone about it. She thinks I am a anus big time, she thinks I am unreasonable, hard to get along with.....well, shoot, it would be easier to list the one thing she thinks I am good at, and that is she thinks I am an excellent father to Kade. Its the only accolade she has ever given me. As for her not wanting to live in my house, that is true also. I have rules in my house and she didn't want to abide by the rules. In my house we go to sleep at a decent time at night, get up early, do chores, housework, protect the family and house, we do not run the streets all night selling our bodies, we do not invite perfect strangers into our house to perform sex acts with them, we do not go out and stock our house with stolen items we shoplifted, we are responsible. When the mama decided she could not be bothered with all the above I found her a house of her own she could go live in. She lived in a house 7 miles away from me. She was free to go out and find all the boyfriends she wanted, move them in, move the out, whatever. I paid all her bills out of her SSI check, plus dug into my pocket when it was called for, brought her food, diapers for her incontinence, saw to her every need. Not her wants, but her needs. I too wish you could talk to her and hear her side of the story. Then you would put me up for sainthood. I wish you could have been there with her the day she pulled her clothing off in the Social Security Administration to show the worker how she had shaved her body. I wish you had been there riding the city bus when she got stark naked and had sex with a street bum in the back seat. I wish you had of been there the day she left my house to take a bus ride down the street 12 blocks to buy herself some soda, at my expense, and walked into the store with a note to them demanding all their cigarettes or she would set off the bomb she said she had in her purse. I wish you had of been here to help me answer the 18 different investigations by the child abuse welfare people over allegations she leveled against me for, gun running to Cuba, hundreds of lawn trash bag of marijuana that I had hidden in the house, cases and cases of automatic guns I was selling to gang banger, fo! r having sex with Kade, for making Kade go naked in the house, for my having invented several personas to work under while I hid my millions of dollars from the welfare, for refusing to supply her with food and clothing, for raping her, etc etc etc until I could just puke over all her baseless allegations. And yet, because she didn't ask to be run over by a drunk driver and get brain damage, because she didn't ask to be crippled, because she didn't ask to become mentally ill, because she was the mother of my child, I felt sorry for her, understood that she couldn't help a lot of the things she did, I put up with her antics, protected her from herself and others. I didn't ask her to be perfect or a chaste woman, I just asked her to put up a little bit of a front, a facade, of being a mother to a little girl, to not do anything to embarrass the child, to make the world think that at least Kade had a mother. She couldn't do that. So she is in Florida. Good grief, with your law and order stance why would you want to listen to a woman who had tried to commit murder ? Her actions speak a thousand times louder than anything she could say. Do you think my actions and behavior merit and justified her trying to kill me, I was just such a beast that murder was all she had left to use against me ? If that were true I wouldn't be in the picture in any sense, Kade would have been removed from my custody, I would be in some jail cell along with the other animals. You can feel sorry for her all you want, but god, I sure wish you had her in your house for just one month so you too could enjoy all the joys of having her around. Jack Childers in OKC

Hi, Sheepers! Do you suppose Clarence Darrow was a blacksheep 'before his time'? He is quoted as saying: "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with a lot of pleasure." --Clarence Darrow

In a message dated 5/3/2002 8:18:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jcurtis@redrock.net writes: > Where's our personal expert, mortician? Where's Del the Dragon? We need help > on the best sources for DNA... > > Jan C. > His Mail is Bouncing... They do not recognise his address. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

What were you doing in Los Angeles with a Mace ball? Jan C. -----Original Message----- From: JACK CHILDERS <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, May 03, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: [BSChat] WEAPONS OF YOUR CHOICE >I had one of those spiked balls on the end of a chain once and the police confiscated it and threatened to have me arrested for possession of a dangerous weapon. This was many years ago in the early 60's in Los Angeles. > >Jack Childers in OKC >International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists >http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm >"I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" >Jaxone1234@msn.com > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Unsubscribe from the list: >Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsu bscribe > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

In a message dated 5/3/2002 7:55:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jaxone1234@msn.com writes: > I had one of those spiked balls on the end of a chain once and the police > confiscated it and threatened to have me arrested for possession of a > dangerous weapon. This was many years ago in the early 60's in Los Angeles. With spikes it was a mace, without it is a hammer. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

In a message dated 5/3/2002 7:58:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jcurtis@redrock.net writes: > FENTANYL <A HREF="http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/fentanylsystemic203780.html">MEDLINEplus Drug Information: Fentanyl (Systemic)</A> <A HREF="http://opioids.com/fentanyl/subjective.html">Fentanyl ( Sublimase )</A> <A HREF="http://www.globalrph.com/fentconv.htm">Fentanyl patch dosing determination based on current narcotic analgesic therapy. Developed by D.McAuley</A> Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

"jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> wrote.... > (They also found a tiny cancer on his liver...so he would have faced that down-the-road).< If they found one on his liver then chances are great that he also had it elsewhere. Having lost both parents & 2 brothers to variations on the same theme, I learned from the experts that the liver is a filter for our body and cancers that occur there were originally tiny cells that have been 'captured' enroute from other sites in the body via the bloodstream. Sorry I can't offer any help on the pain/patch medication. That is a new one on me since I left pharmacy 7 years ago. Best, SueB

To Chat......... SB ----- Original Message ----- From: "jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 9:57 PM Subject: [BS-L] Re: Mellie's ex > Or lance, or spear, or battle axe, or that spiked metal ball on a chain that > they used to knock people cock-eyed with? > > Jan C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Friday, May 03, 2002 3:35 PM > Subject: Re: [BS-L] Re:DNA > > > > > >Mellie > > > >Do you mean to say that 'dad' shows up after six years and while he's > making > >nice-nice with the kids, he's pressing you about paternity??? I though he'd > >put that to rest before he 'came back'. Where's your cross-bow??? > > > >Jan G. > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > >From: "Mellie" <Mel@i12.com> > >Reply-To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > >To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [BS-L] Re:DNA > >Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 20:56:16 +0100 > > > >Haivng been in the situation recently where DNA Testing was required, (ex > >disputing paternity!!!!!) I can tell you the following, my childrens DNA > >matched mine (suprise suprise0 and their fathers (got him!!) onsaying that > >the "official line" is The children are his, OR another Male member of his > >family ie a brother or father! so if there is any "dalliance" in the family > >the DNA is not going to "prove" 100 per cent the "father" but will prove > the > >family to which the child belongs! > >just a thought to bear in mind as we are talking "Black sheep" here! > >Mellie > >IBSSG > > > >How Come My Coat Of Arms has Ties At The Back? > > > >List Admin: > > AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com > >BATE-L@rootsweb.com > > BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com > FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com > >HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Attachments are not enclosed unless previously notified > >My AVG is updated every 24 hours > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 > > > > > >==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > >~~~~ > > > >The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by > >each individual submitter. > > > >The Following topics are inappropriate on Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com: > >Political discussion/ views > >Religious and inspirational postings, > >Politically "Hot" Topics > >Advertising and chain letters > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go > >to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > >==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > >--- > >The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by > each individual submitter. > > > >The Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com is a GENEALOGY list, please take off-topic > posts here, Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com, subscribe to the chat list at: > http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/ look for the buttons. > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > --- > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > > Visit the Black Sheep Home page, http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/ > BEST OF THE WEB-Bronze Award for 1998, > Gail's Genealogy Wonderland SITE of the YEAR (1998) > Proudly Hosted by Rootsweb, and a supporter of Rootsweb through "good will" and funds. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Heading to Chat........... :-) SB ----- Original Message ----- From: "jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [BS-L] Re: [Cowboy Movies > <g> Not under mine... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Denise <denise@wcnet.org> > To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Friday, May 03, 2002 5:24 AM > Subject: Re: [BS-L] Re: [Cowboy Movies > > > >I must be boring too. I agree with your Mom. > > She's always said that he: > > "...could put his boots under her bed at any time." > > > > > > > > > >==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > >--- > > > >The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by > each individual submitter. > >TENDER LAMB CORNER: If your Blacksheep is still living, or public posting > may cause trouble, send the information to our TLC Coordinator, Sue Bates; > BSBates@netease.net, Confidentiality maintained. > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > --- > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > > To Unsubscribe: Visit the following website and use the QUIT List or Quit Digest Buttons > http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/ > Contact Jeff Scism, ScismGenie@aol.com for list problems > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Jack - you've always said Kade's mom is mentally ill. Not knowing, but maybe she just can't stand being around your house? Meaning that, it's obvious she doesn't love you, and doesn't want to be around you...she may love Kade a lot, but you have control & custody of Kade. There are always two sides to every story. I'd love to hear Kade's mom tell her story. After all, she detests you so much, she wanted you dead...? Hired a hit-man... I feel sorry for Kade...all of the turmoil in her life. Jan C. -----Original Message----- From: JACK CHILDERS <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, May 03, 2002 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] ACHES AND PAINS >You know, Jan G., you are so right. When my own mother died I was greatly sad, not especially about her dying, but over what could have been between us and never was. I wasn't done knowing my mother and there she died on me ! > >Yes, I realize Kade has erected a defense mechanism about her mama and there is really nothing I can do about it except be there for her. I worked so hard to try and make a family for Kade's sake, putting up with everything from fit throwing to attempted murder on her part, and it was all for nothing. Hindsight would have me ship mama off the day Kade was born, but that's hindsight. Oh well, we go on. > >Jack Childers in OKC > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Unsubscribe from the list: >Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsu bscribe > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I'm going to work under the supposition that DNA typing as done for horses is pretty much the same as for people here.... The Arabian Horse Registry used to require blood typing for each horse registered with them. Last year doing DNA was optional but this year it became a requirement. To register a horse with their organization one must first buy the DNA kit and then submit a minimum of 25 hairs plucked from their mane, making sure that the follicles come out with the hairs. My guess is that the typing is done from the follicles themselves rather than from the hair. Best, SueB

yes, Jack, chocolate has cholesteral in it. but it was really non of her business! I am afraid I would have told her so. It is your arteries..LOL Rhonda

Jack, tell me you weren't just walking down the street with a mace slung over your shoulder. <g> I bet one of the cops wanted it for himself. I always wonder what percentage of the stuff they collect ends up where it should. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BSChat] WEAPONS OF YOUR CHOICE Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 21:53:46 -0500 I had one of those spiked balls on the end of a chain once and the police confiscated it and threatened to have me arrested for possession of a dangerous weapon. This was many years ago in the early 60's in Los Angeles. Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

http://www.rain-tree.com/chocolate.htm Tells it all, I think. <g> Hmmm, except for what type of oil (the good or the bad) the cocoa contains. My husband swears it's 100% healthy and necessary to a happy life. <g> Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BSChat] CHOCOLATE Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 21:56:28 -0500 I was eating a small Reeces Cup the other day and this lady jumped all over my case and went to haranguing me about how much cholesterol chocolate had in it and that it was bad for my arteries, so forth and ad naseum . I didn't think chocolate had cholesterol in it, does it ? Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

I was eating a small Reeces Cup the other day and this lady jumped all over my case and went to haranguing me about how much cholesterol chocolate had in it and that it was bad for my arteries, so forth and ad naseum . I didn't think chocolate had cholesterol in it, does it ? Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com

I had one of those spiked balls on the end of a chain once and the police confiscated it and threatened to have me arrested for possession of a dangerous weapon. This was many years ago in the early 60's in Los Angeles. Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com

Thanks Jeff. Jan C. -----Original Message----- From: ScismGenie@aol.com <ScismGenie@aol.com> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, May 03, 2002 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: A.J.'s death >In a message dated 5/3/2002 7:58:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >jcurtis@redrock.net writes: > > >> FENTANYL > > <A HREF="http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/fentanylsystemic203780.htm l">MEDLINEplus Drug Information: Fentanyl (Systemic)</A> > ><A HREF="http://opioids.com/fentanyl/subjective.html">Fentanyl ( Sublimase )</A> > > <A HREF="http://www.globalrph.com/fentconv.htm">Fentanyl patch dosing determination based on current narcotic analgesic >therapy. Developed by D.McAuley</A> > > >Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) >~~ >Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site >Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site >manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: >B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n >d i c o t t, > S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. >Nv.) > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Could be, but the autopsy was thorough & complete. They took his brain out and all of his vital organs, and examined & tested each one. Guess they didn't find any other cancers. And of course, his blood, lymph nodes, etc were tested. The drug killed him. I knew A.J. for 15 years...he was a *health food* advocate...NO red meat, pork, fat, salt, etc. He drank only bottled water & whizzed-up fruit & vegetable drinks in his blender. He was an expert on Herbs & vitamins, and an ecologist about not spraying fruit trees or crops, etc. with pesticides. Everything he did was geared toward good health, clean air & water. You'd better keep a close watch on yourself, Sue, so many family deaths from cancer. Jan C. -----Original Message----- From: Sue & Bobby Bates <bsbates@netease.net> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, May 03, 2002 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: A.J.'s death >"jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> wrote.... >> (They also found a tiny cancer on his liver...so he would have faced >that down-the-road).< > > If they found one on his liver then chances are great that he also >had it elsewhere. Having lost both parents & 2 brothers to variations >on the same theme, I learned from the experts that the liver is a >filter for our body and cancers that occur there were originally tiny >cells that have been 'captured' enroute from other sites in the body >via the bloodstream. > Sorry I can't offer any help on the pain/patch medication. That is >a new one on me since I left pharmacy 7 years ago. >Best, >SueB > > > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Unsubscribe from the list: >Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsu bscribe > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >