That's good, Jack. This new one does strange things with the subject and the address. We must both be in the wrong address book. :>( Sharon IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 11:24 PM Subject: [BSChat] NO VIRUS > I have a fire wall on my computer, plus Norton's anti-virus. Just did a total scan for viruses, came up clean as a whistle. I have no virus. > > Jack Childers in OKC > International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists > http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm > "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" > Jaxone1234@msn.com > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Yes, I know my rules may not fit everyone. But I know what has to be in my life to keep me on the straight and narrow and following my rules does that for me. Some of my 'guidelines' may sound strange to others. For instance, I have the personal opinion that the only people out and about on the streets after dark are either on a specific mission, in an emergency, or up to no good, so me and mine are indoors after dark unless it just has to be. Anyway, works for me. Kathleen was the wife of an ex-stepbrother of mine. His name was Mike. Mike got out of prison and came to me asking for help in getting his life back together. We lived in Oklahoma City together. His wife, Kathleen, Kade's mama, was in Florida and was making plans to come to be back with Mike. Next thing we hear is from a judge in Florida advising me that Kathleen has been arrested for a bank robbery, the judge is of the opinion that she is crazy and does not want to send her to prison and if something can't be worked out he will have to put her in a mental hospital. Coincidentally, he has also heard about the program I have designed and operating here in OKC, a program to rehabilitate prisoners who have served long terms in prison, and wants to know if I would consider enrolling Kathleen in my program. Kathleen had been in the care of the Florida mental health system and they and I had communicated about Kathleen several times, so I think that is where the judge hear! d about it all from. Anyway, I already had a file a foot thick on Kathleen, information I had received from Florida when I was trying to get her up to Oklahoma to be with her husband, so I knew some of the elementary facts about her. I did not know about how severely mentally ill she was because the mental health people in Florida didn't tell me due to confidentiality issues. So here comes Kathleen, compliments of Florida, along with a seven year suspended banishment probation for the bank robbery. It was me, Mike and Kathleen. Things went along just fine for awhile. Kathleen has the ability to mask her illness when she wants to, and when she first came here she was on her best behavior. She and Mike wanted to have a baby. When it didn't happen Mike got tested and found out he was sterile. I also had been wanting a child to raise, so we all worked a bargain. I would impregnate Kathleen, she would bear me a child, I would take care of her as long as she was in Oklahoma, and she would let me raise the child. As soon as it was confirmed that Kathleen was pregnant she started showing out. She showed out so much that she was put in prison when she was three months pregnant. Kade was born while Kathleen was in prison. I picked Kade up from the hospital when she was 18 hours old and have had her ever since. Mike and I decided we would raise ! Kade until Kathleen got out of prison. Then Mike was going to move into his house with Kathleen and Kade and I would live in my house. Sounds like a strange situation, but it worked for us. Basically, I contracted with Kathleen to produce me a child. While still in prison Kathleen started causing me trouble with Kade. When Kade was 5 days old she got Kade taken away from me on the allegations I was having sex with Kade. The juvenile judge investigated me and Kathleen both for a week, then sent Kade back to me with full custody and the advise that I should never let Kathleen ever see Kade again. I talked to the judge and said every child needs a mother, so how about me letting Kathleen visit under my supervision, and the judge said OK, but whenever you want to cut off contact its at your discretion . Then Mike died of a heart attack, so it was just me and Kade, with Kathleen in prison. When Kathleen got out of prison she stayed in my house until her parole was over, then wanted to move out because she couldn't stand the rules. She moved into her own house, and the rest is history. My mother always told me to never tell anyone the story of my contracting with Kathleen for Kade because she said they would all think I was crazy. I feel sure some reading this story will not find it to their satisfaction. But so be it. Kade and I are happy as a pig in clover, our live is good, we are happy with things and that's that. One thing about it. No wife will ever drag me into court and take my child from me. I have claimed parentity, a juvenile court has given me full custody of Kade, Kathleen has lost her parental rights, a district court has appointed me her legal guardian, so hell or high water will not separate us. Jack Childers in OKC

Jack, Check your computer. I just received a virus-laden message from your address. I would have sent this privately but don't have you in my address book. Sharon

In a message dated 5/4/02 3:51:36 AM Mountain Daylight Time, Mel@i12.com writes: > my friend had > the "snip" years ago Mellie, I think your going to have the last laugh there. Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member Bo-Peep Award Ogden, Utah, USA "God sent his Singers upon the Earth, With songs of Gladness and Mirth. That they might touch the hearts of men, And bring them to Heaven again." --Longfellow

"Sharon Workman" <workman@dreamscape.com> wrote.... > Jack, > Check your computer. I just received a virus-laden message from your address.< Aw, nuts!!! I just got an email from Jack for 'undisclosed recipients' as well but my A-V program didn't pick up anything with it. Guess I'd better check it out........ Best, SueB

I have a fire wall on my computer, plus Norton's anti-virus. Just did a total scan for viruses, came up clean as a whistle. I have no virus. Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com

Jack - You've just got to let her go to wherever. I pick-up on your msg. about the house as being *your house* with *your rules*. . . go to bed, get up early, do chores, housework, etc. Maybe the "rules" in your house fits what you want, but not what someone else would want? I don't know Kade's mother, so I can't 2nd guess. Just curious, how did the two of you meet, and how come you had kids together? There must have been something there in the beginning. If Kade's Mom is so mentally ill, why isn't she confined somewhere? None of my business, of course. You don't have to answer. Jan C. -----Original Message----- From: JACK CHILDERS <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, May 04, 2002 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] ACHES AND PAINS >Boy you got that right Jan Curtis !! She hates my guts, make no bone about it. She thinks I am a anus big time, she thinks I am unreasonable, hard to get along with.....well, shoot, it would be easier to list the one thing she thinks I am good at, and that is she thinks I am an excellent father to Kade. Its the only accolade she has ever given me. > >As for her not wanting to live in my house, that is true also. I have rules in my house and she didn't want to abide by the rules. In my house we go to sleep at a decent time at night, get up early, do chores, housework, protect the family and house, we do not run the streets all night selling our bodies, we do not invite perfect strangers into our house to perform sex acts with them, we do not go out and stock our house with stolen items we shoplifted, we are responsible. > >When the mama decided she could not be bothered with all the above I found her a house of her own she could go live in. She lived in a house 7 miles away from me. She was free to go out and find all the boyfriends she wanted, move them in, move the out, whatever. I paid all her bills out of her SSI check, plus dug into my pocket when it was called for, brought her food, diapers for her incontinence, saw to her every need. Not her wants, but her needs. > >I too wish you could talk to her and hear her side of the story. Then you would put me up for sainthood. I wish you could have been there with her the day she pulled her clothing off in the Social Security Administration to show the worker how she had shaved her body. I wish you had been there riding the city bus when she got stark naked and had sex with a street bum in the back seat. I wish you had of been there the day she left my house to take a bus ride down the street 12 blocks to buy herself some soda, at my expense, and walked into the store with a note to them demanding all their cigarettes or she would set off the bomb she said she had in her purse. I wish you had of been here to help me answer the 18 different investigations by the child abuse welfare people over allegations she leveled against me for, gun running to Cuba, hundreds of lawn trash bag of marijuana that I had hidden in the house, cases and cases of automatic guns I was selling to gang banger, fo! >r having sex with Kade, for making Kade go naked in the house, for my having invented several personas to work under while I hid my millions of dollars from the welfare, for refusing to supply her with food and clothing, for raping her, etc etc etc until I could just puke over all her baseless allegations. > >And yet, because she didn't ask to be run over by a drunk driver and get brain damage, because she didn't ask to be crippled, because she didn't ask to become mentally ill, because she was the mother of my child, I felt sorry for her, understood that she couldn't help a lot of the things she did, I put up with her antics, protected her from herself and others. I didn't ask her to be perfect or a chaste woman, I just asked her to put up a little bit of a front, a facade, of being a mother to a little girl, to not do anything to embarrass the child, to make the world think that at least Kade had a mother. > >She couldn't do that. So she is in Florida. Good grief, with your law and order stance why would you want to listen to a woman who had tried to commit murder ? Her actions speak a thousand times louder than anything she could say. Do you think my actions and behavior merit and justified her trying to kill me, I was just such a beast that murder was all she had left to use against me ? If that were true I wouldn't be in the picture in any sense, Kade would have been removed from my custody, I would be in some jail cell along with the other animals. > >You can feel sorry for her all you want, but god, I sure wish you had her in your house for just one month so you too could enjoy all the joys of having her around. > >Jack Childers in OKC > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Unsubscribe from the list: >Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsu bscribe > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Asking you, Mel... Thank heavens you got the check! Big, powerful, car uh? I'd rather have a small, fast one, something sporty. Been there, done that, with ex-husband...mine turned into a back-biter sneak. He couldn't understand why I didn't want to baby, pamper him, cook, do his laundry, & shack-up with him anymore. He thought he was the greatest lover ever, on mother-earth....I was there to tell the World otherwise. On a scale of 1-10, he didn't even register. (I'd had few experiences with other guys before I married him...so I could compare). I divorced him once, then married him again (fool that I was in 1964). I did the opposite of you...I told him son Kyle (Alaska), wasn't his. Drove him nuts, because the old man adores Kyle. But I've never changed my story. When I was in Alaska last year, Kyle, my Mom, and I were sitting at the table, and my Mom said: "I don't know where you found Kyle...he doesn't look like anyone else I know..." Kyle looked at me and said: "Maybe I'm illegitimate, uh Mom?" And I looked right into his blue eyes & said: "Only I know....darling." Jan C. -----Original Message----- From: Mellie <Mel@i12.com> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, May 04, 2002 3:37 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] ACHES AND PAINS >Jan C, are you asking me or jack? >for my part things have not been to bad, Got the cheque this morning from >the insurance, paid me over the value for my car so I am happy with that, >will get a new car end of the week when the cheque clears through the bank, >got my eye on something big and powerful, LOL. >Kids dad has decided they are not his and told thm so with the addage "but >it means nothing I love you like my own" if it means nothing why say it? I >told the kids to ask their dad, on what basis does he make that statement? >who does he suspect to be their father then the bloody tooth fairy, its not >like he will pay more Allimoney, guess it fits his lies of "she had an affar >so I had one" thats OK for his family as they are the same, but not OK for >me as its not true, I am beginning to wish it was actually, get slammed for >something I did not something I didn't do! >think his timing stinks, to start giving the kids emotional grief, that >comes to nothing and leaves them wondering what the hell is going on, >especially for Nat, my middle child for those of you who don't know I can >now report that on 20th April he had a Bi-lateral Mastectomy, we have to go >back to the Hospital every few days for him to have a Blood clot drained >off, but other that that he is fine and there are no complications or >serious illnesses attached to the operation, its the absolute best thing >that I have ever heard, so their dad does this, I never thought he would get >this twisted! My friends all reckon its his way of getting at me because I >called "time" on our relationship, and he still harbours , well harbours >whatever, me i couldn't care less its done its past i have moved on, seems >he has moved on to other relationships but has not actually "moved on"! I >could willfully strangle him with my bear hands for this episode of hurting >the kids, its the one thing I did not wnat to happen, but they are old >enough to make the dicision to see him, and at teh moment he is still "god" >whatever he says, Me I jsut let it go over my head, one day they will know >the truth for themselves, when they have kkids of their own and someone lies >to them, they will know how I feel right now, but I hope they never have to >feel that pain either, guess thats the differnce between me and that thing I >lived with who turned into Mr psycho when he could not get his own way! >other than that Jan, things are fine right now! >Mellie >IBSSG > >How Come My Coat Of Arms has Ties At The Back? > >List Admin: > AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com >BATE-L@rootsweb.com > BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com >HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Attachments are not enclosed unless previously notified >My AVG is updated every 24 hours >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Unsubscribe from the list: >Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsu bscribe > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Well in that case I will try another email addie sue watch for a "foreign" email addie! Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms has Ties At The Back? List Admin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Attachments are not enclosed unless previously notified My AVG is updated every 24 hours Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

Is how I like my cars, and as you know mine got nicked,(brit speak for stolen) the insurance company have paid out, over the current value and at the value I gave the car, so I am pleased about that, also I sold the little run about that I had today, so I have more money to spend on another car! gonna buy a Ford granada Scorpio if I find one in the price range as I don't want to be without transport for more than a week. you don't ahve the granny in the US, scorpio is top of the range with lots of lights and buttons (to amuse me) guess it looks a little like the big saloons Mulder hires in X files, nice big touring car, as soon as I get it I am planning my much missed trip to Belguim! Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms has Ties At The Back? List Admin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Attachments are not enclosed unless previously notified My AVG is updated every 24 hours Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

Sue it bounced again! here is the note on the return: bsbates@netease.net SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:<bsbates@netease.net>: host mx01.netease.net [64.7.232.28]: 554 <mail12.svr.pol.co.uk[195.92.193.215]>: Client host rejected: IP Policy Violation - Access Denied Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms has Ties At The Back? List Admin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Attachments are not enclosed unless previously notified My AVG is updated every 24 hours Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

Sue emails to you from me are bouncing back to me again!!!!! Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms has Ties At The Back? List Admin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Attachments are not enclosed unless previously notified My AVG is updated every 24 hours Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

Jeff, I think that would be Ok, I was thinking maybe a particular vetenarian might have to come to the stabe and take teh smaples himself, based on the fact that only certain docors are "certified" to undertake the DNA tests in specific areas here. seems like Sue had a taster of the unscupulous types allready, go get him girl! Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms has Ties At The Back? List Admin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Attachments are not enclosed unless previously notified My AVG is updated every 24 hours Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

>Even the most dispicable personalities have those who are friends, and family, and will sorrow for their passing.< jeff, I think that depends on the crime and what the family know of it, but I cna see that there are still those who would mourn the passing, but there are 2 that I will not shed tears for and I WILL take pleaseure from them no longer being on this earth. guess a few of us have folk we feel that about. Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms has Ties At The Back? List Admin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Attachments are not enclosed unless previously notified My AVG is updated every 24 hours Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

We have M&M's here so I get teh picture, still think of cradle cap so don't think I will go all out to try this, had enough with grits for gods sake! Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms has Ties At The Back? List Admin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Attachments are not enclosed unless previously notified My AVG is updated every 24 hours Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

Jeff, he was out of their lives, but the kids missed him, on the basis that they were so young they did not remember him! I have explained the situationto the kids, they have to make their own choices, as for the paternity tests he has to pay, and then have egg on his face! so then all his other "stories" come into question. The one that "goes away" is always the kids want, even when they say they don't (usually to please an adult) whatever he does he IS their dad, beginning to wish I could forge the paternity tests! He is giving them all the "I have missed you so much, i have cried at night for you " all that crap! but it sure looks good in front of the new girlfriend you know what I mean! she will learn like the last one did when he punched HER son from her marriage, like I say he's a real man NOT! Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms has Ties At The Back? List Admin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Attachments are not enclosed unless previously notified My AVG is updated every 24 hours Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

You see, Kathleen is a free spirit, regressing, if I may, to the 60's !! I understand her all too well. I know exactly why she wants to run wild. Her brain damage had destroyed that part of her brain that controls impulse control . She is selfish, one way, thinks only of her immediate needs and desires. She sees nothing wrong with going out to have sex with whoever she wants whenever she wants. What a life if we could all do that. Unfortunately, the world does not operate like that. Once a person gets past a certain childhood age we understand that we have to be responsible and start thinking of other people. In testing I had done with Kathleen I have gotten reports that her brain is functioning at anywhere from a 6 year old to a 15 year old. So yes, Florida is probably best for her. There is a distinct personality change between red neck hard core Oklahoma and more laid back liberal Florida. My regret is any possible trauma to Kade, but I think Kade is handling it pretty good. She is not bashful. The first time she understood that her mother was going to go to Florida she blew up at her and told her point blank that is she did leave that Kade didn't ever want to have anything to do with her again. Kade said this in an angry tone of voice, no holds held back in her anger. She didn't break out in tears, she just got mad and expressed her anger. And that's OK, that's the way it should be. Jack Childers in OKC

> And the cops weren't growing their own, just selling what they > confiscated.--may not have been 'good', could have been tainted with > pesticides, they didn't care, so the whole idea was dumb, no matter which > way you look at it. My sister lives in Mendicino County, the center of the Green Triangle. She says most the good weed growers have gone to other counties where there aren't as many narcs. All the folks growing weed now are undercover narcs. EdrieAnne IBSSG

Yeah, it probably was Reece's Pieces instead of Reece's Peanut Butter Cups, same difference, peanut butter covered chocolate. And M&Ms opted out and lost a mint of advertising. They thought it was make a negative image instead it perked Reece's image.

Yes Jan G, I see your point, but its a matter of confusion to start with. When I said I switched up on my opinion on my killing people, I did not mean the state doing it in my name as in capital punishment, I mean me personally killing people. I gave that up for lent ! Not that I ever killed anyone, but my mind was made up that I would kill someone if it had to be. That decision was based on my fear. Once I got into the swing of things I realized that almost all murdering situations could be handled in a better and different way, so I decided to not kill. However, I can see a situation where I would kill. Should Kade ever be molested severely where there was a lot of damage done, or worse yet, killed, and the perp got away with it in court, then I would try my best to murder him and just have to live with the consequences. When it comes to capital punishment, I believe in it. As Sharon stated, we been there and done that on the subject, so that's about all I care to say on the subject. Jack Childers in OKC