Just heard on the news here in San Diego: studies show that you're more likely to die from a medical mix up than from breast cancer, a car wreck or AIDS. There's something wrong with this system. Probably a lot of things wrong. I know of one--but this is not necessarily a large part of the problem. There's lots of ways mix ups can take place. My husband tells me that, while his first wife was still alive 8-10 years ago, the nurses in N. CA were noticing that there were some relatively unqualified nurses coming along and they looked into it, trying to find out why these new nurses weren't up to snuff. Found out that the tests for becoming a nurse had been made easier by the CA state licensing board, so that nurses coming in from foreign countries would be able to pass them. At that time, most other states had a reciprocal agreement with CA, if a nurse was licensed here, the license was good in other states. I don't know if that still exists--hopefully they tightened up their requirements, but they may not be aware that CA did made licensing easier. I can understand the state wanting a constant supply of new nurses. It's hard to keep nurses for more than 5 years, since nurses' wages top out in that short a time. And then they start looking for something else. Who can blame them? Good nurses are not paid enough, that's for sure. But, there's got to be a way to sort out those who just aren't what they should be, regardless of the reason. Jan G. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

In a message dated 5/4/02 10:27:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time, jaxone1234@msn.com writes: > My mother always told me to never tell anyone the story of my contracting > with Kathleen for Kade because she said they would all think I was crazy. Jack, this explains much. I have felt for a long time that your involvement with Kade's mother was something quite weak. That somehow there had never been a serious relationship there. For your sake and Kade's, I'm happy this is the case. In usual circumstances I'm of the opinion that children need two parents. However there are some cases where two are to many. There are also cases that the two are not always the natural parents. Kade is one very fortunate young lady. Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member Bo-Peep Award Ogden, Utah, USA "God sent his Singers upon the Earth, With songs of Gladness and Mirth. That they might touch the hearts of men, And bring them to Heaven again." --Longfellow

I also am of the opinion that a child needs two parents, and that is what I was striving for. The fact that one of the parents was dysfunctional makes little difference because there are many families in this world where one is nuts and the other is not. I just wanted a female in Kade's life. Unfortunately, her mother was not capable of fulfilling that function. Kade had two fathers, and not in the sense that most people see that. Mike and I were not in a sexual relationship, but it was Mike's idea to begin with to have a child and he loved Kade more than if she had of been his own. Mike had a drinking problem and he flat out quit cold turkey because he said he never wanted Kade to be ashamed of him from seeing him drunk. Remember, there was another child come along, a little boy, who was desperately sick and did die at age 4 months. It took all my energy to care for him, so Mike more than took up the slack with Kade. For the first 5 years of her life Mike was the major influence in Kade's life, more than me. If Kade has any problems, and I do not see any in evidence yet, it will be due to all the loss she went through the first 6 years of her life. Mike died, her favorite "uncle", who was actually her godfather, died, her grandmother died, her baby brother died and two other friends of the family died. Gracious, at one time! , when I first wanted to have a child, I had a large extended family, then POW, it all fell apart in a five year period of time until its just me and Kade left. Thank goodness for Kade, because all these people dropping dead around me really sent me for a tailspin and if it hadn't of been for Kade I don't know if I would still be alive. I think one of the things that makes me and Kade so close is that we clung to each other when the world was falling apart around us. Well, anyway, enough of this. Life goes on despite the best laid plans of mice and men. Jack Childers in OKC

You know, I also want for Kathleen to find peace and happiness. That's why I let her move into her own house and live alone, or with anyone she wanted to, no rules, just do what she wanted. While she was in my house she had to follow rules, primarily for Kade's sake, but she couldn't follow those rules so I let her go. I could have held her in my house. I am her legal, court appointed guardian. When it comes down to it she can't wipe without my permission. But I let her go her own way. I continued to pay her bills and see that she had food and clothing and medical, but she was free to pursue her happiness however she wanted. Jack Childers in OKC

Jack - There's an old saying: "If you love them, set them free." No matter what happens, Kathleen has to find her own way, whatever that leads to. I had to let go when my kids first left home. I think you need to stop being Kathleen's guardian. Let her fly. Jan C. -----Original Message----- From: JACK CHILDERS <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, May 05, 2002 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Your house >You know, I also want for Kathleen to find peace and happiness. That's why I let her move into her own house and live alone, or with anyone she wanted to, no rules, just do what she wanted. While she was in my house she had to follow rules, primarily for Kade's sake, but she couldn't follow those rules so I let her go. I could have held her in my house. I am her legal, court appointed guardian. When it comes down to it she can't wipe without my permission. But I let her go her own way. I continued to pay her bills and see that she had food and clothing and medical, but she was free to pursue her happiness however she wanted. > >Jack Childers in OKC > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Unsubscribe from the list: >Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsu bscribe > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

You've had quite a life, Jack. . . and it seems you're doing everything you can in the right way, and Kade is well cared for. You can't do any more than that... Thanks for sharing your background. It's very interesting. I do hope, however, that Kathleen finds some stability & happiness...sounds like her life has been anything but pleasant... Jan C. -----Original Message----- From: JACK CHILDERS <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, May 04, 2002 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Your house >Yes, I know my rules may not fit everyone. But I know what has to be in my life to keep me on the straight and narrow and following my rules does that for me. Some of my 'guidelines' may sound strange to others. For instance, I have the personal opinion that the only people out and about on the streets after dark are either on a specific mission, in an emergency, or up to no good, so me and mine are indoors after dark unless it just has to be. Anyway, works for me. > <SNIP>

Dear Listers- Just dealt with this Klez virus. It kept crashing Mcafee before the virus could be 'cleaned'. This in turn made the virus multiply (originally 9 viruses were found, after the crashing 20 were found!). Horrid! This was my first virus, and what a pain. Anyway- maybe this is why some lists are slower than others this weekend. Cathie Jett ( I think it was). There was a great article in the Valley edition of the Daily News about the Rosie reunion. Had a picture of Alma Hungerford. I tried to find it online to pass to you, but couldn't. If you are interested, I saved it. Thank you for your work in the reunion. I am sure glad they got some of the recognition that they truely deserve. Hope everyone has a wonderful Cinco de Mayo! SoCalCyndy IBSSG

Mellie wrote: > > 1 imperial gallon = 4.56 liters > 1 U.S. gallon = 3.7853 liters > thanks Bill, > and courtesy of www.XE.com a "live" currency converter,: > 1.00 GBPUnited Kingdom Pounds = 1.46854 USDUnited States Dollars > 1 Litre of Petrol (we have to pay in litres!) is 80p to 90p depending on the > type of petrol, there are 100p in a GBP, if you wanna work that out! its > midnight here and too late for my brain to be taxed! > at 80p per litre its £3.65 per imperial gallon ($2.48) I think! I will have > to find my conversion table to exchange the gallons over and its way too > late for me tonite! > at 90p per litre its £4.10 per imperial gallon > Mellie > IBSSG > 1 U.S. gal. = 3.7853 litres X 80p = £3.03 rounded off £3.03 divided by 1.47 = U.S. $2.18 And I complain about $1.59 MY gosh and I complain about $1.59. Your gas is nearly 3 times as high -- Wild Bill, North Pole, Alaska Life is what happens to you while you're making other plans.

Sheepers, I spent the afternoon downloading and installing the new Norton 2002; I've been using Norton 2001. The new version has a really great feature - it scans outgoing as well as incoming mail, which means nothing can go out of my 'puter that's infected. I love that! Sharon IBSSG

JoAnn, Clearly that is what has been happening. Right now, I am pruning my address book to save others if I ever get infected. Probably won't happen - I keep Norton updated, but who knows for sure? Sharon IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "JoAnn Arnold" <jowarnold@cox.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] NO VIRUS > Ya'll, this is the Klez virus. It takes an address found in an infected computer's address book and sends a message to another address found in > the same address book. So the message you get says its from person A but is really from the unknown person B. The only thing to do is keep your > own virus protection updated so you don't spread it and hope the person who is infected gets their computer cleaned. > JoAnn Arnold > > JACK CHILDERS wrote: > > > I have a fire wall on my computer, plus Norton's anti-virus. Just did a total scan for viruses, came up clean as a whistle. I have no virus. > > > > Jack Childers in OKC > > International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists > > http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm > > "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" > > Jaxone1234@msn.com > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Ya'll, this is the Klez virus. It takes an address found in an infected computer's address book and sends a message to another address found in the same address book. So the message you get says its from person A but is really from the unknown person B. The only thing to do is keep your own virus protection updated so you don't spread it and hope the person who is infected gets their computer cleaned. JoAnn Arnold JACK CHILDERS wrote: > I have a fire wall on my computer, plus Norton's anti-virus. Just did a total scan for viruses, came up clean as a whistle. I have no virus. > > Jack Childers in OKC > International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists > http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm > "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" > Jaxone1234@msn.com > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

>Asking you, Mel... Thank heavens you got the check! Big, powerful, car uh? I'd rather have a small, fast one, something sporty.< jan, so would I, but its still a case of practicalities, i am afraid, on saying that the car I have in Mind is both, its big and powerful but can take on most comers, except the car I had stolen, the only things that could outrun her were stuff like Porche and the police helicopter LOL what really got up my nose is that the small 2 door sports model i was planning for after the sproggs have gone,or got their own cars, is EXACTLY what their Dad turned up in I could hate him just for that, but is does show the attraction I guess we had, we had such similar likes, and like most women, I could read him better than a book, I KNEW before he did things that he was going to do them, that really ticked him off! Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms has Ties At The Back? List Admin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Attachments are not enclosed unless previously notified My AVG is updated every 24 hours Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

Aleta, I have been "laughing" since the day we parted! Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms has Ties At The Back? List Admin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Attachments are not enclosed unless previously notified My AVG is updated every 24 hours Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

JanG, hopefully I will keep the "new" car (which will be second hand) for around 3 years, then iwill be looking for something a lot newer, as finances will permit then (the says hopefully) Gas, Petrol here, is darned expensive compared to the prices that you pay, it runs at around £4.00 per Gallon, there is a difference between English and US gallons, I would have to look that up, but an English Gallon of Petrol is around $6 50cents? maybe more! and the car I am planning of having won't do a terrific mileage to the gallon, but I am used to that, and have to transport 3 teenagers plus boy/girl friends, Cadets, Muppet hounds, and it has to be a big enough car to tow a trailer with all the camping gear, and I like comfort in a car, and lots of pretties to tinker with! Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms has Ties At The Back? List Admin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Attachments are not enclosed unless previously notified My AVG is updated every 24 hours Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

Thanks, Bill. My husband works in metric, but I avoid it like the plague. That's why I don't work at NASA. lol Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Wild bill <farnorth-ak@gci.net> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Big and Powerful! Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 12:10:47 -0500 Wild bill wrote: > > "J. Garland" wrote: > > > > Ok. I know you need plenty of room, with those sproggs, but I used to have a > > Ford LTD, 8 cyl., the big engine, very powerful, but got 12 mpg. Ouch! And > > then there's the short life span for the car, seems like they start to fall > > apart at 75,000 miles. (Found On the Road Dead, get it?)Started buying Honda > > Accords, was very happy with them. Am driving a Camry now, not so happy. > > But, the mileage is still really good, by comparison with the LTD. > > > > If you mean Imperial gallon, that's 5 quarts, my hubby says. Our gallon is 4 > > quarts. Your liters are a bit more than our quarts. > 1 imperial gallon = 4.56 liters 1 U.S. gallon = 3.7853 liters Forgot to add, I do believe gas is sold by the liter in England, so take the cost of a liter and X it by 3.7853 and that would be the cost that we would pay per gallon, if gas was the same price as gas in England. Any how that is what I do when traveling from AK through Canada. -- Wild Bill, North Pole, Alaska Life is what happens to you while you're making other plans. ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

Ok. I know you need plenty of room, with those sproggs, but I used to have a Ford LTD, 8 cyl., the big engine, very powerful, but got 12 mpg. Ouch! And then there's the short life span for the car, seems like they start to fall apart at 75,000 miles. (Found On the Road Dead, get it?)Started buying Honda Accords, was very happy with them. Am driving a Camry now, not so happy. But, the mileage is still really good, by comparison with the LTD. If you mean Imperial gallon, that's 5 quarts, my hubby says. Our gallon is 4 quarts. Your liters are a bit more than our quarts. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mellie" <Mel@i12.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Big and Powerful! Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 14:31:03 +0100 JanG, hopefully I will keep the "new" car (which will be second hand) for around 3 years, then iwill be looking for something a lot newer, as finances will permit then (the says hopefully) Gas, Petrol here, is darned expensive compared to the prices that you pay, it runs at around £4.00 per Gallon, there is a difference between English and US gallons, I would have to look that up, but an English Gallon of Petrol is around $6 50cents? maybe more! and the car I am planning of having won't do a terrific mileage to the gallon, but I am used to that, and have to transport 3 teenagers plus boy/girl friends, Cadets, Muppet hounds, and it has to be a big enough car to tow a trailer with all the camping gear, and I like comfort in a car, and lots of pretties to tinker with! Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms has Ties At The Back? List Admin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Attachments are not enclosed unless previously notified My AVG is updated every 24 hours Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

"JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> wrote.... >.... When Kathleen got out of prison she stayed in my house until her parole was over, then wanted to move out because she couldn't stand the rules. She moved into her own house, and the rest is history.< But... where does your son that passed so young fit into the picture, Jack? I'm confused! Of course, it doesn't take much to accomplish that these days! :-\ Best, SueB

Ahhh, yes, he sounds simple... <G> Jan G. <<and like most women, I could read him better than a book, I KNEW before he did things that he was going to do them, that really ticked him off! Mellie IBSSG>> _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

Wild bill wrote: > > "J. Garland" wrote: > > > > Ok. I know you need plenty of room, with those sproggs, but I used to have a > > Ford LTD, 8 cyl., the big engine, very powerful, but got 12 mpg. Ouch! And > > then there's the short life span for the car, seems like they start to fall > > apart at 75,000 miles. (Found On the Road Dead, get it?)Started buying Honda > > Accords, was very happy with them. Am driving a Camry now, not so happy. > > But, the mileage is still really good, by comparison with the LTD. > > > > If you mean Imperial gallon, that's 5 quarts, my hubby says. Our gallon is 4 > > quarts. Your liters are a bit more than our quarts. > 1 imperial gallon = 4.56 liters 1 U.S. gallon = 3.7853 liters Forgot to add, I do believe gas is sold by the liter in England, so take the cost of a liter and X it by 3.7853 and that would be the cost that we would pay per gallon, if gas was the same price as gas in England. Any how that is what I do when traveling from AK through Canada. -- Wild Bill, North Pole, Alaska Life is what happens to you while you're making other plans.

"J. Garland" wrote: > > Ok. I know you need plenty of room, with those sproggs, but I used to have a > Ford LTD, 8 cyl., the big engine, very powerful, but got 12 mpg. Ouch! And > then there's the short life span for the car, seems like they start to fall > apart at 75,000 miles. (Found On the Road Dead, get it?)Started buying Honda > Accords, was very happy with them. Am driving a Camry now, not so happy. > But, the mileage is still really good, by comparison with the LTD. > > If you mean Imperial gallon, that's 5 quarts, my hubby says. Our gallon is 4 > quarts. Your liters are a bit more than our quarts. > > Jan G. > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Mellie" <Mel@i12.com> > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Big and Powerful! > Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 14:31:03 +0100 > > JanG, hopefully I will keep the "new" car (which will be second hand) for > around 3 years, then iwill be looking for something a lot newer, as finances > will permit then (the says hopefully) Gas, Petrol here, is darned expensive > compared to the prices that you pay, it runs at around £4.00 per Gallon, > there is a difference between English and US gallons, I would have to look > that up, > but an English Gallon of Petrol is around $6 50cents? maybe more! > and the car I am planning of having won't do a terrific mileage to the > gallon, but I am used to that, and have to transport 3 teenagers plus > boy/girl friends, Cadets, Muppet hounds, and it has to be a big enough car > to tow a trailer with all the camping gear, and I like comfort in a car, and > lots of pretties to tinker with! > Mellie > IBSSG > > How Come My Coat Of Arms has Ties At The Back? > > List Admin: > AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com > BATE-L@rootsweb.com > BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com > HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Attachments are not enclosed unless previously notified > My AVG is updated every 24 hours > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 1 imperial gallon = 4.56 liters 1 U.S. gallon = 3.7853 liters -- Wild Bill, North Pole, Alaska Life is what happens to you while you're making other plans.