I think our overall medical health profession/providers/drugs, etc. need a serious revamping...98% of doctors don't seem to have the time to *care* anymore...and their sloppy in keeping track of what's going on. Their offices over-book appointments. It's basically a mess. One thing for sure...the MAKE A LOT OF $$$!! I could tell a lot of personal experiences, but I think we all know the scoop. I will tell you one. I took my Mom with me to our Dr. last fall for a "general check" and blood tests. The hospital lab mixed our blood up, because we both have the first name *Stella.* Her name is Stella M. Dunlap, mine is Stella J. Curtis. A lab tech. called me & said they didn't know which viles of blood were her's, and which were mine...~~ That we would have to have more blood drawn! DAMNED IGNORANT FOOLS! I went down to the hospital Risk Mgmt. office to report it. The very proper, prim, Manager, walked out & took me to the conference room. Her 1st words were: "Well, there seems to be a probluuum?" And I said: "Yes...you have lab technicians who can't read names correctly....so let's get straight to point. I'm not here to bat words around with you, nor do I play games about right or wrong, and I'm not here talking to you because I'm bored at home & have nothing better to do. You're lab technicians messed up & mixed-up my 85 yr. old Mom's blood & mine...and what are YOU going to do about it?" My Gold earrings were a lot bigger than hers... I ended-up walking across the street with her to the hospital lab, and after much ado, they just said the name *Stella* confused them... And I told them all in the lab: "If the name Stella confuses you, just think how confused you're going to be when I sue this hospital for hiring incompetent, air-head employees..." Jan C. -----Original Message----- From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, May 06, 2002 12:00 AM Subject: [BSChat] medical news > > >Just heard on the news here in San Diego: studies show that you're more >likely to die from a medical mix up than from breast cancer, a car wreck or >AIDS. > >There's something wrong with this system. Probably a lot of things wrong. > >I know of one--but this is not necessarily a large part of the problem. >There's lots of ways mix ups can take place. > >My husband tells me that, while his first wife was still alive 8-10 years >ago, the nurses in N. CA were noticing that there were some relatively >unqualified nurses coming along and they looked into it, trying to find out >why these new nurses weren't up to snuff. Found out that the tests for >becoming a nurse had been made easier by the CA state licensing board, so >that nurses coming in from foreign countries would be able to pass them. At >that time, most other states had a reciprocal agreement with CA, if a nurse >was licensed here, the license was good in other states. I don't know if >that still exists--hopefully they tightened up their requirements, but they >may not be aware that CA did made licensing easier. > >I can understand the state wanting a constant supply of new nurses. It's >hard to keep nurses for more than 5 years, since nurses' wages top out in >that short a time. And then they start looking for something else. Who can >blame them? Good nurses are not paid enough, that's for sure. But, there's >got to be a way to sort out those who just aren't what they should be, >regardless of the reason. > >Jan G. > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Unsubscribe from the list: >Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsu bscribe > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi, Sheepers! A friend sent me this one - just sharing. I don't know that I can honestly agree with all of it 100%, because a lot of 'churchy' folk get into some very tricky and even criminal situations. Just look at the pedophile priests, the Jim Bakkers, and Jimmy Swaggarts. It's sort of like does military school build character - questions like that. --------- I had a "drug" problem when I was a young person and teenager. I was "drug" to church on Sunday morning - I was "drug" to church on Sunday night I was "drug" to church on Wednesday night - I was "drug" to Sunday School every week - I was "drug" to Vacation Bible School I was "drug" to the family altar to read the bible and pray. I was also "drug" to the woodshed when I disobeyed my parents. Those "drugs" are still in my veins; and they affect my behavior in every thing I do, say, and think. They are stronger than cocaine, crack or heroin. If our children had this "drug" problem, America would certainly be a better place. ----------------- Well - maybe in an ideal world. Shirley: bobert@i-1.net

Hi, Sheepers! A friend sent me this one - just sharing. I don't know that I can honestly agree with all of it 100%, because a lot of 'churchy' folk get into some very tricky and even criminal situations. Just look at the pedophile priests, the Jim Bakkers, and Jimmy Swaggarts. It's sort of like does military school build character - questions like that. --------- I had a "drug" problem when I was a young person and teenager. I was "drug" to church on Sunday morning - I was "drug" to church on Sunday night I was "drug" to church on Wednesday night - I was "drug" to Sunday School every week - I was "drug" to Vacation Bible School I was "drug" to the family altar to read the bible and pray. I was also "drug" to the woodshed when I disobeyed my parents. Those "drugs" are still in my veins; and they affect my behavior in every thing I do, say, and think. They are stronger than cocaine, crack or heroin. If our children had this "drug" problem, America would certainly be a better place. ----------------- Well - maybe in an ideal world. Shirley: bobert@i-1.net

Yes, Terri, please share! Altho you THOUGHT none of us cared, you'll find us a very caring group. I feel closer to my fellow sheep than I do most of my remaining relatives! Mike IBSSG > [Original Message] > From: <HBalc27124@aol.com> > To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 5/6/2002 8:45:03 PM > Subject: Re: [BS-L] Ouija boards > > I don't think Jasper was family. I think Grandma got the name "Jasper" > because she couldn't think of "Casper". Honest. > My grandmother's brother haunted her childhood home. > And my great grandfather appeared in a dream that totally spooked my > grandmother by events that happened later. > Interested in the story? > Terri > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > --- > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > TENDER LAMB CORNER: If your Blacksheep is still living, or public posting may cause trouble, send the information to our TLC Coordinator, Sue Bates; BSBates@netease.net, Confidentiality maintained. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Shuler Michael --- grinch42@mindspring.com --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.

Well, Ava, Melungeon is classified as tri-racial (part European, part Native American, part either North African or from the Turkish Plateau known as Anatolia). They were first discovered in North American during the VERY early English explorations into the interior. When discovered, they spoke a very poor version of Elizabethan English, and claimed to be "Portugee" which was Elizabethan English for "foreign", not Portuguese. The Native Americans claimed no relationship, couldn't understand their language, and their dwellings were often made of stone, and had unusual shaped windows. It has been hypothesized that they were either from the "lost colony of the English" or were put ashore from a Spanish ship of exploration, and intermarried with the Native Americans. They weren't truly black, their lips were thin, and they had a few unusual physical characteristics (which many of us have even after 4 centuries or more). For more info, you can either contact me directly, or type the word "Melungeon" into any search engine, and come up with a number of interesting sites. Mike IBSSG > [Original Message] > From: Ava Fischer <res0f1lp@verizon.net> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 5/6/2002 6:43:13 PM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: [BS-L] Grandpa Lied > > What is Melugeons? > Whitewolf > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shuler Michael" <grinch42@mindspring.com> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 4:35 PM > Subject: [BSChat] Re: [BS-L] Grandpa Lied > > > > > > With the backgrounds you & Edrie furnished, Jan, I wouldn't be one bit > > surprised if you discovered that the Hardin bunch was Melungeon...they > sure > > sound a lot like some of my ancestors (and, as I've said before, I have > the > > Melungeons on BOTH sides!). > > > > Mike > > IBSSG > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > > > To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Date: 5/6/2002 6:06:00 PM > > > Subject: Re: [BS-L] Grandpa Lied > > > > > > > > > Edire, that makes a lot of sense. Seems like most of the "removals" were > > > done by 1833, and the land was pretty well handed out to settlers by > 1835. > > > > > > You got me to thinking about my Hardin cousins. One of them married Alex > > > Shaw, the Irish immigrant whose property was next to the reservation. > The > > > Hardins, family of Sukie Hardin--Alex' wife, lived in Franklin Co. GA, > > right > > > on the border with SC. But, they weren't Cherokee, near as I can tell, I > > did > > > some checking today. They later moved to TX, most because they wanted > to, > > > three because they were running from a murder conviction, but that's > > another > > > story. > > > > > > Jan G. > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: "Edrie Broughton" <etfoam@inreach.com> > > > Reply-To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > > > To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [BS-L] Grandpa Lied > > > Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 13:42:35 -0700 > > > > > > The rest of the Dorsey researchers and I have kicked that around. David > > > Dorsey we don't think was Indian or Melungeon but think that Mary Martin > > may > > > very well have been. Sarah must have had a dark complexion to have the > > > Black Dutch explanation used for her at least to her children or > > > grandchildren. The chart says that she was born of German parents and > > > brought as a very young child. Her husband having been German, probably > > > with the appropriate accent may have helped the fiction. When asked on > > > Census reports however she said she was born in SC and parents born in > NC. > > > David and Mary Martin Dorsey came south out of Macon County, NC to > > Pendleton > > > district SC, then on to Habersham (later White Co.), GA. They must have > > > maintained ties in both NC and SC because their children bounced back > and > > > forth. All these areas were strongly Cherokee. Since the removals > began > > > when Mary and David were doing all this moving, I suspect they were > > avoiding > > > the Army. > > > > > > EdrieAnne IBSSG > > > > > > > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > > > --- > > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted > by > > > each individual submitter. > > > > > > The Blacksheep Message boards are at: > > > > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.organizations.blac > > ksheep > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go > > > to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > > > ~~~~ > > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted > by > > each individual submitter. > > > > > > http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/mia.html > > > This is the POW/MIA Links and Database. > > > A complete list by Service Branch of POW/MIA/KIAs in Vietnam is here. > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > --- Shuler Michael > > --- grinch42@mindspring.com > > --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. 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Chat, pleez...... Thx! SB ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [BS-L] Ouija boards > > Terri, was there a reason your grandmother called him Jasper? > > As for the family ghosts, I wonder how they knew they were family? > > Jan G. > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: HBalc27124@aol.com > Reply-To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BS-L] Ouija boards > Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 20:13:58 EDT > > I was about 7 or 8 and I stayed at my grandmother's. I always felt like > someone was in the room with me and I slept with my back to the wall. You > always felt like someone was watching you. At that time I didn't know the > house was haunted. I think I was 15 when my mom finally told me. > "Jasper" would run up and down the steps. My grandmother would hear him > running and she would yell, "Jasper, you cut that out!" and it would stop. > My mom would hear the front door slam, footsteps and then the back door slam > shut. She was only a teenager and it freaked her out. > My grandmother has some really weird family ghost stories. Wonder if it is > considered genealogy if the ghost is a dead relative? > Terri > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > ~~~~ > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by > each individual submitter. > > The Following topics are inappropriate on Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com: > Political discussion/ views > Religious and inspirational postings, > Politically "Hot" Topics > Advertising and chain letters > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > --- > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > > To Unsubscribe: Visit the following website and use the QUIT List or Quit Digest Buttons > http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/ > Contact Jeff Scism, ScismGenie@aol.com for list problems > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Chat, Sheepers..... pleez! Thx! SB ----- Original Message ----- From: <HBalc27124@aol.com> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [BS-L] Ouija boards > I was about 7 or 8 and I stayed at my grandmother's. I always felt like someone was in the room with me and I slept with my back to the wall. You always felt like someone was watching you. At that time I didn't know the house was haunted. I think I was 15 when my mom finally told me. > "Jasper" would run up and down the steps. My grandmother would hear him running and she would yell, "Jasper, you cut that out!" and it would stop. > My mom would hear the front door slam, footsteps and then the back door slam shut. She was only a teenager and it freaked her out. > My grandmother has some really weird family ghost stories. Wonder if it is considered genealogy if the ghost is a dead relative? > Terri

This puppy *definately* needs to head on over to Chat! ;-) SB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathie Jett" <cajett1@attbi.com> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 7:24 PM Subject: RE: [BS-L] Re: BlackSheep-D Digest V02 #469 > Hugh Jack man - definitely made me drool!!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: HBalc27124@aol.com [mailto:HBalc27124@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 1:42 PM > To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BS-L] Re: BlackSheep-D Digest V02 #469 > > > Hugh Jackman was in "Kate and Leopold" and "Someone Like You" with Ashley > Judd. > As far as looks, John Wayne can't hold a candle to Hugh! > Terri > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > --- > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by > each individual submitter. > > The Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com is a GENEALOGY list, please take off-topic > posts here, Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com, subscribe to the chat list at: > http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/ look for the buttons. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > --- > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > TENDER LAMB CORNER: If your Blacksheep is still living, or public posting may cause trouble, send the information to our TLC Coordinator, Sue Bates; BSBates@netease.net, Confidentiality maintained. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Levitating on over to Chat, pleez..... thx! ;-) SB ----- Original Message ----- From: <HBalc27124@aol.com> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [BS-L] Ouija boards > My grandmother was very heavy into ouija boards. From what I heard from my cousins, she could make the marker really move. But then she lived in a house haunted by a ghost she called "Jasper". I always felt his presence, even when > I was too young to know about ghosts. > When she sold the house, my aunt visited it years later. It had been turned into a gunshop. My aunt told them she used to live there, they asked if it was haunted then. > In a Savannah newspaper, my cousin read an article on haunted houses. It was listed as one of the top hauntings. It is in Lima OH. > Terri > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > ~~~~~ > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > > Visit the Hall of Shame portion of our website. > http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/shame.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Heading this 'little doggie' on to Chat.... thx! SB ----- Original Message ----- From: <HBalc27124@aol.com> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [BS-L] Re: BlackSheep-D Digest V02 #469 > Hugh Jackman was in "Kate and Leopold" and "Someone Like You" with Ashley Judd. > As far as looks, John Wayne can't hold a candle to Hugh! > Terri > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > --- > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > > The Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com is a GENEALOGY list, please take off-topic posts here, Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com, subscribe to the chat list at: http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/ look for the buttons. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

On to Chat...... thx! SB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Kelly" <donkelly@grovenet.net> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [BS-L] FW: ROSIES > Guess I'll have to burn my jock so you ladies will talk to me on equal ground. > I too am proud of all of you independent thinkers. > Don Kelly > IBSSG > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> > To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 8:52 PM > Subject: Re: [BS-L] FW: ROSIES > > > > Adette - I'm really proud of American women...we've come a long way > since > > the 60's. I burned my bra & stopped wearing panty hose...my opinion > was: > > Men don't wear make-up, shave their legs, or wear something to keep > their > > bellies in, so why should I? It was like men could walk around > looking like > > *grunge* and women seemed to "primp." For who or what? > > > > Suppose we should take this to Chat, but I'm not in the mood...I'll > let Sue > > do it. I'm tired. She has more energy than I do....~oo~ > > > > Jan C. IBSSG > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Adette Watkins <1228jml@bright.net> > > To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > > Date: Sunday, May 05, 2002 5:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [BS-L] FW: ROSIES > > > > > > >My daughter and I had a discussion about what caused "women's Lib" > and > > >changed my life .I said WW II . Women went to work in defense plants > > ,worked > > >hard and cared for a home & kids .Five years later a "stranger " > came home > > >and wanted to assume the role of "Wearing the pants'. It was hard > for a > > >women who was used to handling a Job,Kids ,and rationing ,,plumbing > and > > >other problems that Men had traditionally handled. > > >We found out we could wire a lamp ,change fuses , handle a clogged > sink ect > > >,ect ,ect,. There were a lot of divorces after the war. > > >A W > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > > >--- > > > > > >The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are > copyrighted by > > each individual submitter. > > >TENDER LAMB CORNER: If your Blacksheep is still living, or public > posting > > may cause trouble, send the information to our TLC Coordinator, Sue > Bates; > > BSBates@netease.net, Confidentiality maintained. > > > > > >============================== > > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > > ~~~~ > > > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted > by each individual submitter. > > > > The Following topics are inappropriate on Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com: > > Political discussion/ views > > Religious and inspirational postings, > > Politically "Hot" Topics > > Advertising and chain letters > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 3/14/02 > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > --- > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > The BlackSheep Rootsweb Links page has many Rootsweb based search engines,as well as links to the BlackSheep Message Boards. > http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/resources.html > --- > The Blacksheep Message boards are at: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.organization s.blacksheep > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Sheeps, you would love the TV programme that I have just watched on this very wet May day! (always rains on bank holiddays here!) it was time Team, the history of Britain, it was just superb, the programme was over an hour long, with snippets of stuff they have done over the 8 years the programme has been running, they didn't do pre-historic stuff, they started with ANGLO-SAXON Britian, moved on to the NORMANS, STUARTS,TUDORS,EDWARDIANS, VICTORIANS, and ended on a programme I remember watching, and had tears in my eyes again, it ended in a field in Calais France, where they dug up a spitfire shot down on its first mission, the whole plane was retrieved, it hit the ground nose first and compacted into itself, the whole thing was less than 5 feet long! the Pilots remains were carefully, and respectfully taken away, and brought back to England for his burial by family members, inculding his sister, a very poignent moments viewing! Within the program they visited Nevis in the Caribbean, where the Pinney family from Bristol had the largest sugar plantation and "employed" 1000 slaves! they went to Maryland USA and recreated a landing jetty and sailing ship of the forefathers, and even dug up a grave in Maryland just off the jetty, one of he first English Settlers in the US!!! (DNA proven) I wish the US networks would get this series, or that it went to Discovery Channel too, I just know that you would be as rivetted as I was today! The final words of the Presenter, Tony Robinson (Baldrick of Blackadder, do you get Blackadder?) summed up the essence of the programme, he said that the programme objective was to record the history of the everyday men and women who made us the way we are today, who did nothing to be recorded specificaly in history books, but who lived and worked to shape Britain through the ages, and who toiled the land, fought the wars, marvelled at the industrial innovations, and who are our forefathers! Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms has Ties At The Back? List Admin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Attachments are not enclosed unless previously notified My AVG is updated every 24 hours Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

Whilst getting really ticked off with Nebuchanezzer i thought I wiould attack another line see what gives on it as I have a marriage certificate to work from, WOW, I have just leapt 4 generations back! only a genealogist thinks a step backwars is progress so they say LOL, all I have to do now is check the details on the St catherines index of BMD, then off to the records office for confirmation from Parish records, once I have got things sorted around here (having to re-decorate due to the flood etc) I am gonna set myself the target of buying a marraige certificate each week, for the direct lines and then the accompanying birth and death certificates, I have a few, and photocopies of some too, but genie without documents of your own is only theory, so they say. Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms has Ties At The Back? List Admin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Attachments are not enclosed unless previously notified My AVG is updated every 24 hours Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02

With the backgrounds you & Edrie furnished, Jan, I wouldn't be one bit surprised if you discovered that the Hardin bunch was Melungeon...they sure sound a lot like some of my ancestors (and, as I've said before, I have the Melungeons on BOTH sides!). Mike IBSSG > [Original Message] > From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 5/6/2002 6:06:00 PM > Subject: Re: [BS-L] Grandpa Lied > > > Edire, that makes a lot of sense. Seems like most of the "removals" were > done by 1833, and the land was pretty well handed out to settlers by 1835. > > You got me to thinking about my Hardin cousins. One of them married Alex > Shaw, the Irish immigrant whose property was next to the reservation. The > Hardins, family of Sukie Hardin--Alex' wife, lived in Franklin Co. GA, right > on the border with SC. But, they weren't Cherokee, near as I can tell, I did > some checking today. They later moved to TX, most because they wanted to, > three because they were running from a murder conviction, but that's another > story. > > Jan G. > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Edrie Broughton" <etfoam@inreach.com> > Reply-To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BS-L] Grandpa Lied > Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 13:42:35 -0700 > > The rest of the Dorsey researchers and I have kicked that around. David > Dorsey we don't think was Indian or Melungeon but think that Mary Martin may > very well have been. Sarah must have had a dark complexion to have the > Black Dutch explanation used for her at least to her children or > grandchildren. The chart says that she was born of German parents and > brought as a very young child. Her husband having been German, probably > with the appropriate accent may have helped the fiction. When asked on > Census reports however she said she was born in SC and parents born in NC. > David and Mary Martin Dorsey came south out of Macon County, NC to Pendleton > district SC, then on to Habersham (later White Co.), GA. They must have > maintained ties in both NC and SC because their children bounced back and > forth. All these areas were strongly Cherokee. Since the removals began > when Mary and David were doing all this moving, I suspect they were avoiding > the Army. > > EdrieAnne IBSSG > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > --- > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by > each individual submitter. > > The Blacksheep Message boards are at: > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.organizations.blac ksheep > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > ~~~~ > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > > http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/mia.html > This is the POW/MIA Links and Database. > A complete list by Service Branch of POW/MIA/KIAs in Vietnam is here. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Shuler Michael --- grinch42@mindspring.com --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.

I don't know anything about it. I sure am looking and making inquiries now!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: jcurtis To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 11:09 PM Subject: [BSChat] Re: A.J.'s death The pain medication (patch) that killed A.J. was FENTANYL. Charlotte just got the certified autopsy report. Has anyone heard of it, used it, know anything about it? (They also found a tiny cancer on his liver...so he would have faced that down-the-road). Jan C. ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I looked around a little. I've only found one mention of breathing problems and it was in reference to an overdose. The more interesting part has to do with using the fentanyl patch (transdermal systemic) and it's sensitivity to heat: "Heat can cause the fentanyl in the patch to be absorbed into your body faster. This may increase the chance of serious side effects or an overdose. While you are using this medicine, do not use a heating pad, a sunlamp, or a heated water bed, and do not take sunbaths or long baths or *showers in hot water*. Also, check with your health care professional if you get a fever." I'm wondering if A. J. took a hot shower that led to an overdose. I wonder how many people may not be getting instructions on this patch and its heat sensitivity. Some people are more sensitive to things like this drug than others--maybe A. J. was one of them. Also, a different aspect--a study was done that shows that fentanyl use leads to a "long term" hyper-sensitivity to pain, the more you use it. A rebound affect. It's also a narcotic, an opiate. Gives a mild high, and there's concern that those in the medical industry may start using it for that reason. wow, what a swell drug! Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Denise" <denise@wcnet.org> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: A.J.'s death Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 18:10:48 -0400 I don't know anything about it. I sure am looking and making inquiries now!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: jcurtis To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 11:09 PM Subject: [BSChat] Re: A.J.'s death The pain medication (patch) that killed A.J. was FENTANYL. Charlotte just got the certified autopsy report. Has anyone heard of it, used it, know anything about it? (They also found a tiny cancer on his liver...so he would have faced that down-the-road). Jan C. ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

What is Melugeons? Whitewolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shuler Michael" <grinch42@mindspring.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: [BSChat] Re: [BS-L] Grandpa Lied > > With the backgrounds you & Edrie furnished, Jan, I wouldn't be one bit > surprised if you discovered that the Hardin bunch was Melungeon...they sure > sound a lot like some of my ancestors (and, as I've said before, I have the > Melungeons on BOTH sides!). > > Mike > IBSSG > > > [Original Message] > > From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > > To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > > Date: 5/6/2002 6:06:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [BS-L] Grandpa Lied > > > > > > Edire, that makes a lot of sense. Seems like most of the "removals" were > > done by 1833, and the land was pretty well handed out to settlers by 1835. > > > > You got me to thinking about my Hardin cousins. One of them married Alex > > Shaw, the Irish immigrant whose property was next to the reservation. The > > Hardins, family of Sukie Hardin--Alex' wife, lived in Franklin Co. GA, > right > > on the border with SC. But, they weren't Cherokee, near as I can tell, I > did > > some checking today. They later moved to TX, most because they wanted to, > > three because they were running from a murder conviction, but that's > another > > story. > > > > Jan G. > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "Edrie Broughton" <etfoam@inreach.com> > > Reply-To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > > To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [BS-L] Grandpa Lied > > Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 13:42:35 -0700 > > > > The rest of the Dorsey researchers and I have kicked that around. David > > Dorsey we don't think was Indian or Melungeon but think that Mary Martin > may > > very well have been. Sarah must have had a dark complexion to have the > > Black Dutch explanation used for her at least to her children or > > grandchildren. The chart says that she was born of German parents and > > brought as a very young child. Her husband having been German, probably > > with the appropriate accent may have helped the fiction. When asked on > > Census reports however she said she was born in SC and parents born in NC. > > David and Mary Martin Dorsey came south out of Macon County, NC to > Pendleton > > district SC, then on to Habersham (later White Co.), GA. They must have > > maintained ties in both NC and SC because their children bounced back and > > forth. All these areas were strongly Cherokee. Since the removals began > > when Mary and David were doing all this moving, I suspect they were > avoiding > > the Army. > > > > EdrieAnne IBSSG > > > > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > > --- > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by > > each individual submitter. > > > > The Blacksheep Message boards are at: > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.organizations.blac > ksheep > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go > > to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > > ~~~~ > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by > each individual submitter. > > > > http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/mia.html > > This is the POW/MIA Links and Database. > > A complete list by Service Branch of POW/MIA/KIAs in Vietnam is here. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > --- Shuler Michael > --- grinch42@mindspring.com > --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

That sounds better. I will look into it. Thanks Whitewolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] medical news > Whitewolf, go into private nursing, work out of a registry. You'll make tons of money and better working hours and conditions. > > Jack Childers in OKC > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

"Shuler Michael" <grinch42@mindspring.com> wrote.... > .... and the one time I agreed to participate, the spirit of my ex-wife's mother chose to come through ME! That wouldn't have been so bad, but she was murdered by her estranged husband (shot twice), and I got to feel the pain of the two bullets! I thought I was going to die before the circle was broken!< Gads, Mike, sounds like real fun--NOT!!! I really don't have any desire to participate in a seance. The only person that I would trust to hold one with me as a participant now lives in FL and I don't have any plans to visit there again, at least not in the foreseeable future at any rate. Let's just say that I'm VERY cautious when it comes to the metaphysical realm! ;-) Best, SueB