I wonder if the church donations are going to drop off. Maybe when they see the billion dollar payments and realize that money had to come from somewhere. The pockets of the laity? Terri

Wow - that is interesting. What a difference! You would think my insurance company would have sent me lots of info on Nutrition and Exercise. They are the ones who benefit if I am healthy. I wonder why they don't pay for nutritionists. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Meds > > Doctors only take one class in nutrition. Their colleges weren't paid for by > nutritionists. <G> > > The best medical care in the world is supposedly in Japan where they > concentrate on preventive medicine. Nutrition and excercise fall into that > category. It isn't what our medical business here in the US is interested > in, not enough money in it. At least not enough to please the pharmeceutical > companies. In Japan, when a patient gets sick, the doctor loses money. What > difference, eh? > > Jan G. > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Telecom Girl" <telecomgirl911@hotmail.com> > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Meds > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 07:57:54 -0500 > > I was on BP meds from 21- 29 > No one ever sent me to a dietician,or told me to exercise ( I was thin as a > rail) > After having a difficult pregnancy due to HBP - My son was induced at 71/2 > Mos and weighed only 4 lbs 11 ozs - He was and is fine - however after the > rough pregnancy - > I researched my BP and discovered that I should exercise and modify my diet. > > Over 12 months I was able to wean off 3 different BP meds I had been taking > to control the BP - > > Now I am on no meds - just diet and exercise > > If someone would have told me when I was 21!!! I could have saved a lot o > money and trouble!! > > Cammie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <ScismGenie@aol.com> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:17 PM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Meds > > > > In a message dated 5/7/2002 8:56:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > jcurtis@redrock.net writes: > > > > > > > Go to the doctor...they give us a prescription drug. > > > > > > Jan C. > > > > A lot of doctors DO use the prescription pad to process patients, but > what > > other option is available, it is really three choices > > > > 1. do nothing > > > > 2. prescribe medication/treatment. > > > > 3. Operate (if required) > > > > If you don't think the doctor is doing a proper job you have some > choices, > > too. > > > > 1. don't go and hope for whatever to is to go away. > > > > 2. Go only if the problem becomes unbearable. > > > > 3. go somewhere else. > > > > 4. Go and do as the doctor says. > > > > 5. Do nothing. > > > > > > > > > > Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) > > ~~ > > Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site > > Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b > Site > > manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: > > B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, > E > n > > d i c o t t, > > S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. > > Nv.) > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the > subject, CHANGE the subject. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com is a wide spectrum Chat List, Topics allowed > are almost anything.restrictions are: > Political discussion, religious prosylitizing, and aggressive behavior, any > of these topics will result in restricted priveleges. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com is a wide spectrum Chat List, Topics allowed are almost anything.restrictions are: > Political discussion, religious prosylitizing, and aggressive behavior, any of these topics will result in restricted priveleges. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I am tired of it, too. My newspaper sometimes sits unopened on the table for three days. However, the Martha Moxley murder case (Michael Skakel) could prove interesting. Are you sick of the priest molestations or the accusations? Terri

The roof was caved in and the windows were busted out ! Jack Childers in OKC

I was on BP meds from 21- 29 No one ever sent me to a dietician,or told me to exercise ( I was thin as a rail) After having a difficult pregnancy due to HBP - My son was induced at 71/2 Mos and weighed only 4 lbs 11 ozs - He was and is fine - however after the rough pregnancy - I researched my BP and discovered that I should exercise and modify my diet. Over 12 months I was able to wean off 3 different BP meds I had been taking to control the BP - Now I am on no meds - just diet and exercise If someone would have told me when I was 21!!! I could have saved a lot o money and trouble!! Cammie ----- Original Message ----- From: <ScismGenie@aol.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Meds > In a message dated 5/7/2002 8:56:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > jcurtis@redrock.net writes: > > > > Go to the doctor...they give us a prescription drug. > > > > Jan C. > > A lot of doctors DO use the prescription pad to process patients, but what > other option is available, it is really three choices > > 1. do nothing > > 2. prescribe medication/treatment. > > 3. Operate (if required) > > If you don't think the doctor is doing a proper job you have some choices, > too. > > 1. don't go and hope for whatever to is to go away. > > 2. Go only if the problem becomes unbearable. > > 3. go somewhere else. > > 4. Go and do as the doctor says. > > 5. Do nothing. > > > > > Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) > ~~ > Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site > Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site > manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: > B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n > d i c o t t, > S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. > Nv.) > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Were the Amazons a documented society, or just a myth ? If they were real, then yes, I would be interested in learning about them. Were the Sapphos real or imaginary ? Jack Childers in OKC

I went to a Catholic priest when I was 13 to seek guidance with my troubles, in Kansas City, Missouri. He molested me. That didn't make me avoid the Catholic church, just made me avoid closed quarters with priests I thought were going to molest me again. Once saw a few rattlesnakes, but it didn't send me on a St.Patrick crusade against snakes. Jack Childers in OKC

My Grandmother loved Tarot cards - she would never let us play with them. She desperately desired to have some 6th sense. She even attended a psychic church for a while. She never mentioned anything to me about having any "gifts" she just studied the culture. cammie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mellie" <Mel@i12.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] POO > >You can easily spot the fakes. A true physchic will not charge you for > a reading, most will ask for a donation, some will just trust you to > leave one..< > > I have had 2 different people do readings for me, the first one did make a > charge, to cover expenses of travelling to my home and supplying a cassette > recording of our "session". > She was incredibly on the button, and I had had her tel no from someone > else, had spoken only once on the telephone to make the booking, I was very > impresssed actually, although there was some stuff that made no sense at all > and still does not. > The 2nd, has become a friend, and I have attended several homes where she is > "reading" the first time she read for me, she was so accurate, and I have > seen this in other readings that she has done for others, she is pretty > amazing but after that she is not at all reliable. > the first one used a crystal ball believe it or not, and the second uses > Tarot cards, I have a set of my own too, fascinating stuff! > Mellie > IBSSG > > How Come My Coat Of Arms has Ties At The Back? > > List Admin: > AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com > BATE-L@rootsweb.com > BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com > HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Attachments are not enclosed unless previously notified > My AVG is updated every 24 hours > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I think the kind of census information I was looking for would be the "black Irish" race. I have heard this was commonly used by Melungeon families. Cammie ----- Original Message ----- From: <LVLYLADY12@aol.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 2:52 PM Subject: [BSChat] Re: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-D Digest V02 #696 > In a message dated 5/7/02 9:37:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > > I find this very interesting - we have all the "Melungeon" Characteristics > > in my family - but I can't find any census type evidence listing anyone as > > anything but white. > > > > Telecom girl, I don't think the Melungeons were listed on the census as > "Melungeon" > There was so much prejudice through the years, they tried to hide it and > listed themselves as white. Now of course that has done away with. There > are several books and websites about Melungeons that could probably give you > a lot of information. It is a fascinating subject. > > Laurelyn > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Anyone know or heard of any civilization, country or society that was ran by females, at any time in the history of the world ? Jack Childers in OKC

If you think her suicide attempt was amazing, in today's newspaper there is a story about a woman in Florida who tried suicide by jumping out of a 14 story window. She landed on top of a car flat on her butt and lived ! Not only lived, but was up and walking around, with a broken arm, within minutes by the time the police and medics got there. Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com

Jack, I don't think a unilateral ban on the girl and her family are necessarily the right thing to do. I'd have a talk with Kade about the entire situation, including the signs that her nasty friend has serious mental problems and what trouble that can mean for Kade. Then if Kade decides to keep this girl out of her life, it's her idea. If she decides to keep the girl in her circle of friends then Kade will be forewarned and more careful. If you just say that Kade 'can't' have that girl in her life, that friendship will be all that more important. But you have to have the morality chat with her. EdrieAnne IBSSG

Wow! Maybe it was a Saturn or some other mostly plastic exterior-type car. They dent easier. Definitely something had to absorb that energy. You know, that sounds like something that would happen to a character on Seinfeld, not a true story. Incredible!! Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BSChat] Tea Leaves Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 07:20:14 -0500 If you think her suicide attempt was amazing, in today's newspaper there is a story about a woman in Florida who tried suicide by jumping out of a 14 story window. She landed on top of a car flat on her butt and lived ! Not only lived, but was up and walking around, with a broken arm, within minutes by the time the police and medics got there. Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com is a wide spectrum Chat List, Topics allowed are almost anything.restrictions are: Political discussion, religious prosylitizing, and aggressive behavior, any of these topics will result in restricted priveleges. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

People react differently to the same situation. For some, who may not have been happy for what ever reason with the church, this is the only excuse they'll need to cut their ties. I think that's what it was with my son in law. The last straw. Others will realize that there's some really great men out there in the priesthood and over look the bad for the good. The most important thing will be the way the church handles this. They have to put the health and welfare of their flock first. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] priests Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 07:52:12 -0500 I went to a Catholic priest when I was 13 to seek guidance with my troubles, in Kansas City, Missouri. He molested me. That didn't make me avoid the Catholic church, just made me avoid closed quarters with priests I thought were going to molest me again. Once saw a few rattlesnakes, but it didn't send me on a St.Patrick crusade against snakes. Jack Childers in OKC ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

I thought of the Amazons, but I think they were a myth. I don't know about the Sapphos. It's Greek to me... Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] CIVILIZATIONS Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 07:57:41 -0500 Were the Amazons a documented society, or just a myth ? If they were real, then yes, I would be interested in learning about them. Were the Sapphos real or imaginary ? Jack Childers in OKC ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

Other than the occasional female leader, with everyone else in the government being male, no, I can't think of one off hand, early in the morning as it is. Can you think of one? This is a "Herb" question. Herb knows everything about things like this, I'll ask Herb... Herb, do you know of one?<G> I've been thinking too hard for this early in the morning (6 am here). I just got up to see my hubby off to work, and look at what I got into. <G> I'm going back to bed for a while. zzzzzzzzz Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> Anyone know or heard of any civilization, country or society that was ran by females, at any time in the history of the world ? Jack Childers in OKC _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

I don't know, sounds like for some that will happen. I have a Catholic son in law who left his church because of a priest who was dallying with the boys where he was living. My SIL is from Canada. It's not just an American problem. I'm sure this could be the final straw for some in cutting their ties to the RC church. And loss of membership alone will lead to diminished income. I don't think they worry too much about that yet--the RC is all over the world and this is so far a PR problem mostly in the US, although Europe is aware of what's going on here. This kind of situation could make it more difficult to recruit new priests, sort of a guilt by association fear preventing some from getting involved. For that reason alone, I think they'll have to allow married priests. I have a friend who had planned to become a priest, even started attending a seminary, but left because he just couldn't handle what he saw going on between the "boys" in the seminary. This was 30 years ago. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: HBalc27124@aol.com Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] priests Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:39:20 EDT I wonder if the church donations are going to drop off. Maybe when they see the billion dollar payments and realize that money had to come from somewhere. The pockets of the laity? Terri ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

Doris, I'm not RC, never have been, but 90% of my friends have always been RC. I consider the church to be a stabilizing factor in our society and I hope that they get this problem straightened out as quickly as possible. It's a forest fire raging right now, and ignoring it, or not handling it right is far more dangerous to the church in this country than co-operating with the police and the families and getting rid of the priests that they've had complaints about. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Doris" <ginlu@charter.net> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Israel, et al Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:42:52 -0400 Jan G. You probably are the first person I've seen to mention that allowing priests to marry will not solve the problem...I AGREE!!! This problem has nothing to do with marrying....after all, look at all the married men who are pedophiles---it's really the dumbest argument I've heard!! And women priests will not alleviate it either, as there is abuse in both genders... It's true that has been going on for many years--centuries ago there were the poor children sold to the church because they were able to sing soprano---they were horribly abused, and it didn't stop until it saw the light of day. I'm Catholic, and I've worked with children who were abused by adults (all kinds of abuse)....as far as I know, it was never perpetrated by a priest.... the whole rotten thing is an authority figure who abuses the relationship...and I guess I will have to say that I'm glad it has finally come to light---perhaps it will put an end to a cancer within the Church and in the long run heal a lot of hurts. If it does no more than force those in authority (bishops) to stop covering for and re-locating the priests in question to another "fresh market" it will be a good thing.....but I'm hoping this will cure a lot of ills. It will have nothing to do with my affiliation with the Church, but I suppose it could go both ways---maybe we should put a little responsibility on some of the parents who wouldn't pay attention to a child who was living in fear of another person. I know of a family who experienced this---the child was abused by a clergyman and the mother refused to believe him. The father did believe--the family broke apart--the son (now grown with his own family) doesn't speak to his mother, and barely to his father--both parents are all alone---and all the family members have taken sides...big problems there!!! I'm glad I wasn't involved in counseling that group! Anyway, neither married priests nor women priests is the answer to this problem....nor is the vast liberalization proposed by some groups the answer....as far as I can see it, it's a situation that can only be resolved by changing the procedures of correction and elimination of the offenders. Off the soapbox for me.... Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Israel, et al Yes, I know what you mean, Jan. I'm hoping that the Israel/Palestine thing will be settled by them alone. I don't want us involved there, if it can be avoided. I don't see any other countries coming to give military assistance to Arafat, so, maybe if we just stand back and watch, the two old "freedom fighters" --or their successors-- will find a way to put the past where it belongs and move on. The priest problem--I have no doubt it's been going on forever. And allowing them to marry won't solve the problem. Those perverts are like any other, except they're wearing a collar and have more opportunities and a better cover than most. I don't think the problem would ever have been drug out into the light of day in any other country than ours, where we're more supportive of the victims. I don't know if the church will do a good job of weeding out the bad ones. Used to be they didn't defrock anyone because it would be construed as guilt and perhaps make the church responsible. Perhaps after a few lawsuits, they'll realize that they have to do things differently. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BSChat] Re: Israel, et al Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 23:34:56 -0600 I am so friggin tired of the Israel-Palastine conflict I could throw-up! And my patience with Afganistan is growing thin. And I'm sick & tired of the Catholic Priests & sex abuse. There is no end to the old, archaic, way of thinking. I had high hopes that the human mind had risen to a higher level in 2002, but it doesn't look promising. Looks like the Middle Eastern countries are still mired-in with their old religious beliefs. In a nut-shell, I'm disappointed in the *MALE* leaders of various countries. They can never seem to get it together. 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Yes, the Moxley case will be interesting. Skakel isn't quite a Kennedy and he's not a very sympathic figure. The case is looking pretty bad for him. I'm digusted by the molestations. The accusations are just the truth coming out, ugly as it is, and it's a part of the "clean up". It would go on indefinitely without the public becoming aware of the situation. No doubt there'll be some small percentage of false accusations, and I hope those are laid to rest quickly, but for the most part, I'm hoping the accusations, criminal and civil proceedings will lead to some changes that will protect the kids. I'm sure the church is concerned--they have trouble keeping priests as it it, I think. And who knows how large a percentage of them this could eventually affect. But, the only right thing to do, for the church to keep their credibility, it do get rid of the men who are committing these crimes and turn them over to the police. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: HBalc27124@aol.com Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Israel, et al Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:32:41 EDT I am tired of it, too. My newspaper sometimes sits unopened on the table for three days. However, the Martha Moxley murder case (Michael Skakel) could prove interesting. Are you sick of the priest molestations or the accusations? Terri ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

I think their greatest concern is that we'll become educated about nutrition and our bodies. They've been building their "we're almost God" reputation ever since the AMA was formed. It's been built largely on our ignorance. I'm sure they want to keep it that way. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Telecom Girl" <telecomgirl911@hotmail.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Meds Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:35:50 -0500 Wow - that is interesting. What a difference! You would think my insurance company would have sent me lots of info on Nutrition and Exercise. They are the ones who benefit if I am healthy. I wonder why they don't pay for nutritionists. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Meds > > Doctors only take one class in nutrition. Their colleges weren't paid for by > nutritionists. <G> > > The best medical care in the world is supposedly in Japan where they > concentrate on preventive medicine. Nutrition and excercise fall into that > category. It isn't what our medical business here in the US is interested > in, not enough money in it. At least not enough to please the pharmeceutical > companies. In Japan, when a patient gets sick, the doctor loses money. What > difference, eh? > > Jan G. > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Telecom Girl" <telecomgirl911@hotmail.com> > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Meds > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 07:57:54 -0500 > > I was on BP meds from 21- 29 > No one ever sent me to a dietician,or told me to exercise ( I was thin as a > rail) > After having a difficult pregnancy due to HBP - My son was induced at 71/2 > Mos and weighed only 4 lbs 11 ozs - He was and is fine - however after the > rough pregnancy - > I researched my BP and discovered that I should exercise and modify my diet. > > Over 12 months I was able to wean off 3 different BP meds I had been taking > to control the BP - > > Now I am on no meds - just diet and exercise > > If someone would have told me when I was 21!!! I could have saved a lot o > money and trouble!! > > Cammie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <ScismGenie@aol.com> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:17 PM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Meds > > > > In a message dated 5/7/2002 8:56:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > jcurtis@redrock.net writes: > > > > > > > Go to the doctor...they give us a prescription drug. > > > > > > Jan C. > > > > A lot of doctors DO use the prescription pad to process patients, but > what > > other option is available, it is really three choices > > > > 1. do nothing > > > > 2. prescribe medication/treatment. > > > > 3. Operate (if required) > > > > If you don't think the doctor is doing a proper job you have some > choices, > > too. > > > > 1. don't go and hope for whatever to is to go away. > > > > 2. Go only if the problem becomes unbearable. > > > > 3. go somewhere else. > > > > 4. Go and do as the doctor says. > > > > 5. Do nothing. > > > > > > > > > > Jeffery G. 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