Jack... I'm speaking from having raised 5 children (4 daughters)...You may not want to hear what my experience tells me, but here goes: I'd steer clear of having any problems with the mother of this little girl---I'd be very careful of taking ANYBODY's word as true (even my own, sine children are great at changing details to suit themselves)...and I'd be cautious about what's said to or about any child. If the backpack has more than school items and some lunch money, I'd be quick to change that situation. If this child is really having problems and lying on other children, it may warrent a visit with the principal and/or counselor/nurse in order to get another view---does she tell tales on other kids or only Kade? This is a real valid point to explore---if it's a lot of other kids, then there's reason to look into the child's need for help (by the school counselor or principal)...if it's only focused on one or two children, it's very likely a bit of give and take harassment from both sides (little girls can be very gossipy and vindictive). To be sure, the little girl has a lot going on at her home, but I'd not let Kade visit their home anymore...I don't know if I'd restrict the child from your daughter, but that's up to you. I believe I'd discuss it with Kade first, as she will have to deal with the child in school. And this is just one of the early molehills....keep it that way as much as you can... Okay, just a mom's view, but I'd say most parents have been there.....Good luck. Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:40 AM Subject: [BSChat] UPSET PARENT Perhaps some enlightened person can set me on the straight and narrow on something. Perhaps I am too involved to have an objective opinion. Two days ago my daughter Kade went to a park with two of her friends. They have a long standing rule that they are home by the time the street lights start popping on. Come dusk they aare still not home, so I called the mother of one of the other girls to see they were at her house. She said no, but she was on her way to park to pick them up and bring them home. I said, OK, since you're going I won't bother. Dusk turned to dark, so I drove to this woman's house to see if they had forgot to call me. She said her little girl was home, she had picked her up at the park , but that Kade and the other little girl were still at the park because they had told her they were not ready to go home yet, and by the way, I should check Kade's breath because her little girl told her Kade had gotten dead drunk on beer she got from some older kids at the park. I went to the park, picked up the two girls, smelled Kade's breath, no beer, she wasn't drunk, etc. From the story I heard fro! m Kade and the other girl, they had wanted to come home with the woman and her daughter, but the other girl hadn't wanted to leave the park, was mad because her mother had come to pick her up, called Kade and friend several choice nasty names, and had lied to her mother about Kade wanting to stay at the park. The next day this nasty talking little girl, age 8, goes to school and tells everyone that Kade was drunk at the park, and told the principal to check Kade's school bag, which is jam packed with various things. The principal collars Kade, searches her backpack and find three packs of my cigarettes in it. Kade swears up and down she did not put the cigarettes in there, and since we all know our children and know when they lying, I believe Kade. The nasty talking little girl had been at our house all weekend, by the way. The way I read it, the nasty little girl put the cigarettes in the bag, in an attempt to get Kade in trouble. This little girl is very disturbed, I have commented to my adult friends several times that I didn't think the child was wired right. This is the daughter of the woman who tried to kill herself a few weeks back by jumping off her second story balcony onto a patio. Anyway, here's where I am perplexed. Why did that woman leave two 9 year old girls alone in a park after dark ? Especially after she had been told, wrongly as it turns out, that one of them was drunk and around older guys ? I was so very tempted to call the police on the woman and have her charged with child endangerment, but I already have enough problems with these neighbors who think I am over protective. I just made the decision that we don't know this woman and her daughter any more, the child will not be in my house nor will Kade go to their house any more. Some people around me are faulting me for this stance, saying I am making a mountain out of a molehill. What do you folks think ? 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All those legalese hold-harmless clauses in those forms to prevent the doctors from being responsible should be replaced with a simple: "We're just practicing, so it's not our fault if someone dies, loses the wrong appendage, or OD's on the wrong medicine. Sign below to give us carte blanche to run amuck." They must have read the doctors in Sumeria, who would lose what ever body part their patient lost, if the "fix" didn't work. <g> (They must not have had lawyers yet...) Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Sue & Bobby Bates" <bsbates@netease.net> Reply-To: "Sue & Bobby Bates" <bsbates@netease.net> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Meds Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:53:12 -0500 "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> wrote.... >.... They've been building their "we're almost God" reputation > ever since the AMA was formed. < That's probably quite true, Jan. I try to put it in the perspective of how good can any of them be if they are still having to 'practice' medicine? ;-)) *wink* Best, SueB ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

I think the reason people think allowing priests to marry will help, is because then there will be more people willing to be priests, allowing the church to get rid of the sick-o power hungry ones that they have now and hire healthy normal people. There is a serious priest shortage. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris" <ginlu@charter.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Israel, et al > Jan G. > > You probably are the first person I've seen to mention that allowing priests > to marry will not solve the problem...I AGREE!!! This problem has nothing > to do with marrying....after all, look at all the married men who are > pedophiles---it's really the dumbest argument I've heard!! And women > priests will not alleviate it either, as there is abuse in both genders... > > It's true that has been going on for many years--centuries ago there were > the poor children sold to the church because they were able to sing > soprano---they were horribly abused, and it didn't stop until it saw the > light of day. > > I'm Catholic, and I've worked with children who were abused by adults (all > kinds of abuse)....as far as I know, it was never perpetrated by a > priest.... > the whole rotten thing is an authority figure who abuses the > relationship...and I guess I will have to say that I'm glad it has finally > come to light---perhaps it will put an end to a cancer within the Church and > in the long run heal a lot of hurts. > If it does no more than force those in authority (bishops) to stop covering > for and re-locating the priests in question to another "fresh market" it > will be a good thing.....but I'm hoping this will cure a lot of ills. > > It will have nothing to do with my affiliation with the Church, but I > suppose it could go both ways---maybe we should put a little responsibility > on some of the parents who wouldn't pay attention to a child who was living > in fear of another person. > I know of a family who experienced this---the child was abused by a > clergyman and the mother refused to believe him. The father did > believe--the family broke apart--the son (now grown with his own family) > doesn't speak to his mother, and barely to his father--both parents are all > alone---and all the family members have taken sides...big problems there!!! > I'm glad I wasn't involved in counseling that group! > > Anyway, neither married priests nor women priests is the answer to this > problem....nor is the vast liberalization proposed by some groups the > answer....as far as I can see it, it's a situation that can only be resolved > by changing the procedures of correction and elimination of the offenders. > > Off the soapbox for me.... > > Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... > Still shaking the family tree and > dodging the nuts after 30+ years! > IBSSG > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 1:47 AM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Israel, et al > > > > Yes, I know what you mean, Jan. I'm hoping that the Israel/Palestine thing > will be settled by them alone. I don't want us involved there, if it can be > avoided. I don't see any other countries coming to give military assistance > to Arafat, so, maybe if we just stand back and watch, the two old "freedom > fighters" --or their successors-- will find a way to put the past where it > belongs and move on. > > The priest problem--I have no doubt it's been going on forever. And allowing > them to marry won't solve the problem. Those perverts are like any other, > except they're wearing a collar and have more opportunities and a better > cover than most. I don't think the problem would ever have been drug out > into the light of day in any other country than ours, where we're more > supportive of the victims. I don't know if the church will do a good job of > weeding out the bad ones. Used to be they didn't defrock anyone because it > would be construed as guilt and perhaps make the church responsible. Perhaps > after a few lawsuits, they'll realize that they have to do things > differently. > > Jan G. > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BSChat] Re: Israel, et al > Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 23:34:56 -0600 > > I am so friggin tired of the Israel-Palastine conflict I could throw-up! > And my patience with Afganistan is growing thin. And I'm sick & tired of > the Catholic Priests & sex abuse. > > There is no end to the old, archaic, way of thinking. I had high hopes that > the human mind had risen to a higher level in 2002, but it doesn't look > promising. Looks like the Middle Eastern countries are still mired-in with > their old religious beliefs. > > In a nut-shell, I'm disappointed in the *MALE* leaders of various countries. > They can never seem to get it together. > > Jan C. > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I think the Amazons were a real people - ancient Britain had Boadicea - all killed by the male of the species. Some would argue, I am sure, that civilizations 'back when' and 'now' are operating under the premise that, "the hand that rocks the cradle, rocks the world." Israel needs another Golda Mier; the Palestinians have the lady named Hanna whatever - at least, she seems neat, clean, and intelligence- proficient. I don't think that Arafat even knows what soap and water is: God, he is a dirty, raunchy, ugly hairy old coot! He must have condos of fleas living in his clothes and body parts. One thing he will never have to worry about: having collagen injections in his lips! Maybe one day he will OD on Viagra! Shirley: bobert@i-1.net

Family and Children's services may be helpful in a situation like this. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:40 AM Subject: [BSChat] UPSET PARENT > Perhaps some enlightened person can set me on the straight and narrow on something. Perhaps I am too involved to have an objective opinion. > > Two days ago my daughter Kade went to a park with two of her friends. They have a long standing rule that they are home by the time the street lights start popping on. Come dusk they aare still not home, so I called the mother of one of the other girls to see they were at her house. She said no, but she was on her way to park to pick them up and bring them home. I said, OK, since you're going I won't bother. Dusk turned to dark, so I drove to this woman's house to see if they had forgot to call me. She said her little girl was home, she had picked her up at the park , but that Kade and the other little girl were still at the park because they had told her they were not ready to go home yet, and by the way, I should check Kade's breath because her little girl told her Kade had gotten dead drunk on beer she got from some older kids at the park. I went to the park, picked up the two girls, smelled Kade's breath, no beer, she wasn't drunk, etc. From the story I heard fro! > m Kade and the other girl, they had wanted to come home with the woman and her daughter, but the other girl hadn't wanted to leave the park, was mad because her mother had come to pick her up, called Kade and friend several choice nasty names, and had lied to her mother about Kade wanting to stay at the park. The next day this nasty talking little girl, age 8, goes to school and tells everyone that Kade was drunk at the park, and told the principal to check Kade's school bag, which is jam packed with various things. The principal collars Kade, searches her backpack and find three packs of my cigarettes in it. Kade swears up and down she did not put the cigarettes in there, and since we all know our children and know when they lying, I believe Kade. The nasty talking little girl had been at our house all weekend, by the way. > > The way I read it, the nasty little girl put the cigarettes in the bag, in an attempt to get Kade in trouble. This little girl is very disturbed, I have commented to my adult friends several times that I didn't think the child was wired right. This is the daughter of the woman who tried to kill herself a few weeks back by jumping off her second story balcony onto a patio. > > Anyway, here's where I am perplexed. Why did that woman leave two 9 year old girls alone in a park after dark ? Especially after she had been told, wrongly as it turns out, that one of them was drunk and around older guys ? I was so very tempted to call the police on the woman and have her charged with child endangerment, but I already have enough problems with these neighbors who think I am over protective. I just made the decision that we don't know this woman and her daughter any more, the child will not be in my house nor will Kade go to their house any more. Some people around me are faulting me for this stance, saying I am making a mountain out of a molehill. > > What do you folks think ? > > Jack Childers in OKC > International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists > http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm > "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" > Jaxone1234@msn.com > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com is a wide spectrum Chat List, Topics allowed are almost anything.restrictions are: > Political discussion, religious prosylitizing, and aggressive behavior, any of these topics will result in restricted priveleges. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

well - first you have to start doing something else - get the BP to drop below 120/80 by diet/exercise - see the mayo clinic website for great diet recommendations or the American heart assn. Find ideal heart rate and start exercising - there are guidelines for how to start based on your health/ age/ activity level. Walking is the best to start with. Record your exercise, diet, and BP readings weekly - then go to the DR and ask for a BP med change or reduction. If DR doesn't want to start reducing BP meds - get 2nd opinion! ----- Original Message ----- From: <HBalc27124@aol.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Meds > My husband is on Paxil and 2 different kinds of BP medicine. I don't agree > with it, I think that is definitely overmedicating. How can you wean someone > off it? > Terri > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

ue & Bobby Bates wrote: > > "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> wrote.... > > They must have read the doctors in Sumeria, who would lose what ever > body part their patient lost, if the "fix" didn't work. <g> > > Hey, sounds fair to me! Just one question... is that a win/win or > a lose/lose situation? *grin* > Best, > SueB I will not join the Doctor bashing, with out my two Docs I wouldn't be here. All I can say if you don't like what your Doc is doing get a second or even a third opinion. Do not lump all Doctors in one catergory, there are many excellent Doctors. -- Wild Bill, North Pole, Alaska Life is what happens to you while you're making other plans.

HELP! Hello, I need a quick answer on the concoction for killing cockroaches. I recall that several of my cyber-siblings came forth with their remedies for the cockroach problems. I neglected to save this important information and now I need it as soon as possible. My sincere thanks in advance.....E T.....

Only my opinion, but I think you're taking exactly the appropriate action with those irresponsible, troubled b*%^*es! Trying to get psychological help for them would probably prove to be of no avail, and law enforcement getting involved probably wouldn't help, either. If they "loose" enough friends, MAYBE one or both will "smell the coffee". Mike IBSSG > [Original Message] > From: JACK CHILDERS <jaxone1234@msn.com> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 5/8/2002 8:42:13 AM > Subject: [BSChat] UPSET PARENT > > Perhaps some enlightened person can set me on the straight and narrow on something. Perhaps I am too involved to have an objective opinion. > > Two days ago my daughter Kade went to a park with two of her friends. They have a long standing rule that they are home by the time the street lights start popping on. Come dusk they aare still not home, so I called the mother of one of the other girls to see they were at her house. She said no, but she was on her way to park to pick them up and bring them home. I said, OK, since you're going I won't bother. Dusk turned to dark, so I drove to this woman's house to see if they had forgot to call me. She said her little girl was home, she had picked her up at the park , but that Kade and the other little girl were still at the park because they had told her they were not ready to go home yet, and by the way, I should check Kade's breath because her little girl told her Kade had gotten dead drunk on beer she got from some older kids at the park. I went to the park, picked up the two girls, smelled Kade's breath, no beer, she wasn't drunk, etc. From the story I heard fro! > m Kade and the other girl, they had wanted to come home with the woman and her daughter, but the other girl hadn't wanted to leave the park, was mad because her mother had come to pick her up, called Kade and friend several choice nasty names, and had lied to her mother about Kade wanting to stay at the park. The next day this nasty talking little girl, age 8, goes to school and tells everyone that Kade was drunk at the park, and told the principal to check Kade's school bag, which is jam packed with various things. The principal collars Kade, searches her backpack and find three packs of my cigarettes in it. Kade swears up and down she did not put the cigarettes in there, and since we all know our children and know when they lying, I believe Kade. The nasty talking little girl had been at our house all weekend, by the way. > > The way I read it, the nasty little girl put the cigarettes in the bag, in an attempt to get Kade in trouble. This little girl is very disturbed, I have commented to my adult friends several times that I didn't think the child was wired right. This is the daughter of the woman who tried to kill herself a few weeks back by jumping off her second story balcony onto a patio. > > Anyway, here's where I am perplexed. Why did that woman leave two 9 year old girls alone in a park after dark ? Especially after she had been told, wrongly as it turns out, that one of them was drunk and around older guys ? I was so very tempted to call the police on the woman and have her charged with child endangerment, but I already have enough problems with these neighbors who think I am over protective. I just made the decision that we don't know this woman and her daughter any more, the child will not be in my house nor will Kade go to their house any more. Some people around me are faulting me for this stance, saying I am making a mountain out of a molehill. > > What do you folks think ? > > Jack Childers in OKC > International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists > http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm > "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" > Jaxone1234@msn.com > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com is a wide spectrum Chat List, Topics allowed are almost anything.restrictions are: > Political discussion, religious prosylitizing, and aggressive behavior, any of these topics will result in restricted priveleges. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Shuler Michael --- grinch42@mindspring.com --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.

I haven't subscribed to the newspaper for 10 yrs!! I especially won't subscribe to the local paper because they have printed several stories that I know were not true (details that changed the whole story).... I don't think I've missed a thing....and I've found few other papers worth subscribing to .... if I want to see something in particular, I go to the store and buy a paper---that happens very seldom. And I do my best to watch only one newscast a day--if that much---they can just hash over the same facts so long before they start to embellish. Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: <HBalc27124@aol.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Israel, et al I am tired of it, too. My newspaper sometimes sits unopened on the table for three days. However, the Martha Moxley murder case (Michael Skakel) could prove interesting. Are you sick of the priest molestations or the accusations? Terri ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

It is a mole hill I would be making a mountain out of. Whitewolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 6:40 AM Subject: [BSChat] UPSET PARENT > Perhaps some enlightened person can set me on the straight and narrow on something. Perhaps I am too involved to have an objective opinion. > > Two days ago my daughter Kade went to a park with two of her friends. They have a long standing rule that they are home by the time the street lights start popping on. Come dusk they aare still not home, so I called the mother of one of the other girls to see they were at her house. She said no, but she was on her way to park to pick them up and bring them home. I said, OK, since you're going I won't bother. Dusk turned to dark, so I drove to this woman's house to see if they had forgot to call me. She said her little girl was home, she had picked her up at the park , but that Kade and the other little girl were still at the park because they had told her they were not ready to go home yet, and by the way, I should check Kade's breath because her little girl told her Kade had gotten dead drunk on beer she got from some older kids at the park. I went to the park, picked up the two girls, smelled Kade's breath, no beer, she wasn't drunk, etc. From the story I heard fro! > m Kade and the other girl, they had wanted to come home with the woman and her daughter, but the other girl hadn't wanted to leave the park, was mad because her mother had come to pick her up, called Kade and friend several choice nasty names, and had lied to her mother about Kade wanting to stay at the park. The next day this nasty talking little girl, age 8, goes to school and tells everyone that Kade was drunk at the park, and told the principal to check Kade's school bag, which is jam packed with various things. The principal collars Kade, searches her backpack and find three packs of my cigarettes in it. Kade swears up and down she did not put the cigarettes in there, and since we all know our children and know when they lying, I believe Kade. The nasty talking little girl had been at our house all weekend, by the way. > > The way I read it, the nasty little girl put the cigarettes in the bag, in an attempt to get Kade in trouble. This little girl is very disturbed, I have commented to my adult friends several times that I didn't think the child was wired right. This is the daughter of the woman who tried to kill herself a few weeks back by jumping off her second story balcony onto a patio. > > Anyway, here's where I am perplexed. Why did that woman leave two 9 year old girls alone in a park after dark ? Especially after she had been told, wrongly as it turns out, that one of them was drunk and around older guys ? I was so very tempted to call the police on the woman and have her charged with child endangerment, but I already have enough problems with these neighbors who think I am over protective. I just made the decision that we don't know this woman and her daughter any more, the child will not be in my house nor will Kade go to their house any more. Some people around me are faulting me for this stance, saying I am making a mountain out of a molehill. > > What do you folks think ? > > Jack Childers in OKC > International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists > http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm > "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" > Jaxone1234@msn.com > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com is a wide spectrum Chat List, Topics allowed are almost anything.restrictions are: > Political discussion, religious prosylitizing, and aggressive behavior, any of these topics will result in restricted priveleges. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I think this is true!! Just another case of being paid to be reallllly STUPID!!! [or admitting it] Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:36 AM Subject: [BSChat] Stella award This is the first I seen of this, don't know if they're true or something intended to get passed around to everyone we know <G> But I wouldn't doubt they're true--we've all heard of strange law suits. > > The Stella Award > > > > > > In 1994, a New Mexico jury awarded $ 29 million U.S. in > > damages to 81-year-old Stella Liebeck who suffered third- > > degree burns to her legs, groin and buttocks after spilling > > a cup of McDonald's coffee on herself. This case inspired > > an annual award - The "Stella" Award - for the most frivolous > > lawsuit in the U.S. The ones listed below are the 2000 Stella > > Award candidates. > > > > > > ~*~*~*~ > > > > January 2000: Kathleen Robertson of Austin Texas was awarded > > $780,000 by a jury of her peers after breaking her ankle > > tripping over a toddler who was running amuck inside a > > furniture store. The owners of the store were understandably > > surprised at the verdict, considering the misbehaving little > > brat was Ms. Robertson's son. > > > > > > ~*~*~*~ > > > > June 1998: 19 year old Carl Truman of Los Angeles won $74,000 > > and medical expenses when his neighbor ran over his hand with > > a Honda Accord. Mr. Truman apparently didn't notice there was > > someone at the wheel of the car, when he was trying to steal > > his neighbor's hubcaps. > > > > > > ~*~*~*~ > > > > October 1998: Terrence Dickson of Bristol, Pennsylvania was > > leaving a house he had just finished robbing by way of the > > garage. He was not able to get the garage door to go up, > > because the automatic door opener was malfunctioning. He > > couldn't re-enter the house because the door connecting the > > house and garage locked when he pulled it shut. The family was > > on vacation. Mr. Dickson found himself locked in the garage > > for eight days. He subsisted on a case of Pepsi he found, and > > a large bag of dry dog food. Mr. Dickson sued the homeowner's > > insurance, claiming the situation caused him undue mental > > anguish. The jury agreed to the tune of half a million dollars. > > > > > > ~*~*~*~ > > > > October 1999: Jerry Williams of Little Rock Arkansas was awarded > > $14,500 and medical expenses after being bitten on the buttocks > > by his next door neighbor's beagle. The beagle was on a chain > > in its owner's fenced yard, as was Mr. Williams. The award was > > less than sought because the jury felt the dog may have been > > provoked by Mr. Williams who, at the time, was shooting it > > repeatedly with a pellet gun. > > > > > > ~*~*~*~ > > > > May 2000: A Philadelphia restaurant was ordered to pay Amber > > C Larson of Lancaster, Pennsylvania $113,500 after she slipped > > on a soft drink and broke her coccyx. The beverage was on the > > floor because Ms. Carson threw it at her boyfriend a moment > > earlier during an argument. > > > > > > ~*~*~*~ > > > > December 1997: Kara Walton of Claymont, Delaware successfully > > sued the owner of a night club in a neighboring city when she > > fell from the bathroom window to the floor and knocked out her > > two front teeth. This occurred while Ms. Walton was trying to > > sneak through the window in the ladies room to avoid paying > > the $3.50 cover charge. She was awarded $12,000 and dental > > expenses. > > > > > > ~*~*~*~ > > > > A man, was stopped by police in Vermont. After running his name, > > it came back that there were warrants for his arrest from Florida. > > Before the police could arrest him, he fled into a nearby forest > > (in the middle of winter). The police searched for him, but were > > unable to find him. Three days later, the suspect turns himself in > > to the police and was taken to the hospital with frostbite. He ended > > up having several fingers and toes amputated. He is now suing the > > police. Why? The police didn't look for him hard enough! He stated > > in an interview, 'If they had searched harder, they would've found > > me'. > > > > He's accusing the police of dereliction of duty leading to his loss > > of limbs. > > > > > > > > Mr Merv Grazinski of Oklahoma City. In November 2000 Mr Grazinski > > purchased a brand new 32 foot Winnebago motor home. On his first > > trip home, having joined the freeway, he set the cruise control at > > 70 mph and calmly left the drivers seat to go into the back and make > > himself a cup of coffee. Not surprisingly the Winnie left the freeway, > > crashed and overturned. Mr Grazinski sued Winnebago for not advising > > him in the handbook that he couldn't actually do this. He was > > awarded $1,750,000 plus a new Winnie. > > > > (Winniebago actually changed their handbooks on the back of this > > court case, just in case there are any other complete morons buying > > their vehicles.) > > > > > > and you wondered how OJ got off... _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Right, Jan! On my mother's side I have a couple of instances of Melungeon claiming something else...My mother's maiden name was Pruitt (an Irish name)...when I asked her why her brothers & my cousins were so dark complected, she looked at me with her blue eyes and said "hush...we're Black Irish!" Didn't find out until she had been in her grave for several years the truth...Melungeon. Likewise, she had a grandmother whose maiden name was Nelson (English, right?). Wrong! My mother said "oh...she was an Indian Princess!" What a crock! On my father's side there's the Allen clan (which should have been my last name). Sounds English or French. But, the Appalachian Allen clan (mine) is Melungeon. My ggrandfather (Alfred Lewis Allen) couldn't marry my ggrandmother because he looked like a FPC (Free Person of Color), and my ggrandmother was a blue-eyed blonde of primarily German heritage. Later discovered that even that wasn't completely true...her grandmother had been a Cornett (supposedly a corruption of Canute, a Danish king of England). Cornett was probably ORIGINALLY of that derivation, but the ones in SW Virginia are another family of Melungeons! Guess I could go on and on with my own heritage, but that's enough! Just goes to show that you have to really get in there & dig. Sometimes it's even possible to interview people from other families who knew the family you're researching, and can give you a decent physical description. That combined with the part of the country is usually the only "proof" you're going to find, due to the Melungeons attempting to hide for centuries in order to avoid being discriminated against. Thank heaven racial pride has displaced the old discrimination to a large extent! Mike IBSSG > [Original Message] > From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 5/8/2002 7:33:27 AM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Melungeons/Black Dutch > > > Well, Mike will know more about this than I, I haven't heard so much of > "Black Irish" in respect to the Melungeons, I sure it's possible, though. > They usually claimed association with just about anything else as a reason > for their exotic, darker look, often contrasted with blue eyes. There have > been a lot of years when it wasn't good to claim a family connection to > either the NA peoples or to Blacks, so, depending on the time frame and > location, I'm sure they came up with various stories to protect themselves > from the ignorant people around them. As a group, they've had a pretty rough > time here. There are still those who don't want it known that they're part > Melungeon--the first website I saw about them, the website owner had > received threats. He had mentioned specific surnames in association with > Melungeon families, and some people didn't like that. There's still plenty > of ignorance to go around, looks like. > > Jan G. > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Telecom Girl" <telecomgirl911@hotmail.com> > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-D Digest V02 #696 > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 07:42:37 -0500 > > I think the kind of census information I was looking for would be the "black > Irish" race. I have heard this was commonly used by Melungeon families. > > Cammie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <LVLYLADY12@aol.com> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 2:52 PM > Subject: [BSChat] Re: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-D Digest V02 #696 > > > > In a message dated 5/7/02 9:37:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > > > > > I find this very interesting - we have all the "Melungeon" > Characteristics > > > in my family - but I can't find any census type evidence listing anyone > as > > > anything but white. > > > > > > > Telecom girl, I don't think the Melungeons were listed on the census as > > "Melungeon" > > There was so much prejudice through the years, they tried to hide it and > > listed themselves as white. Now of course that has done away with. > There > > are several books and websites about Melungeons that could probably give > you > > a lot of information. 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I got a recipe from friends on the net, tried it and the cockroaches are slowly going away. 1 cup Crisco 1 cup sugar 8 oz. Boric Acid Enough flour to make it like pie crust dough Make into small balls and place all over the house. It is slightly greasy so don't place it on furniture, wood or any place you don't want a grease spot. Jack Childers in OKC

The car she landed on was a 2001 Honda CRV. A doctor said this was the type of thing one saw in movies, not in real life, and that the woman should consider that her stay on this earth may not be ready to be terminated and she should re-think about killing herself. This was the second attempt in three days to kill herself. The first times she tried overdosing on pills. Jack Childers in OKC

Do Amazon women count? Terri

For heaven's sake---HOW'S THE CAR?! Terri

My husband is on Paxil and 2 different kinds of BP medicine. I don't agree with it, I think that is definitely overmedicating. How can you wean someone off it? Terri

Jan G. You probably are the first person I've seen to mention that allowing priests to marry will not solve the problem...I AGREE!!! This problem has nothing to do with marrying....after all, look at all the married men who are pedophiles---it's really the dumbest argument I've heard!! And women priests will not alleviate it either, as there is abuse in both genders... It's true that has been going on for many years--centuries ago there were the poor children sold to the church because they were able to sing soprano---they were horribly abused, and it didn't stop until it saw the light of day. I'm Catholic, and I've worked with children who were abused by adults (all kinds of abuse)....as far as I know, it was never perpetrated by a priest.... the whole rotten thing is an authority figure who abuses the relationship...and I guess I will have to say that I'm glad it has finally come to light---perhaps it will put an end to a cancer within the Church and in the long run heal a lot of hurts. If it does no more than force those in authority (bishops) to stop covering for and re-locating the priests in question to another "fresh market" it will be a good thing.....but I'm hoping this will cure a lot of ills. It will have nothing to do with my affiliation with the Church, but I suppose it could go both ways---maybe we should put a little responsibility on some of the parents who wouldn't pay attention to a child who was living in fear of another person. I know of a family who experienced this---the child was abused by a clergyman and the mother refused to believe him. The father did believe--the family broke apart--the son (now grown with his own family) doesn't speak to his mother, and barely to his father--both parents are all alone---and all the family members have taken sides...big problems there!!! I'm glad I wasn't involved in counseling that group! Anyway, neither married priests nor women priests is the answer to this problem....nor is the vast liberalization proposed by some groups the answer....as far as I can see it, it's a situation that can only be resolved by changing the procedures of correction and elimination of the offenders. Off the soapbox for me.... Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Israel, et al Yes, I know what you mean, Jan. I'm hoping that the Israel/Palestine thing will be settled by them alone. I don't want us involved there, if it can be avoided. I don't see any other countries coming to give military assistance to Arafat, so, maybe if we just stand back and watch, the two old "freedom fighters" --or their successors-- will find a way to put the past where it belongs and move on. The priest problem--I have no doubt it's been going on forever. And allowing them to marry won't solve the problem. Those perverts are like any other, except they're wearing a collar and have more opportunities and a better cover than most. I don't think the problem would ever have been drug out into the light of day in any other country than ours, where we're more supportive of the victims. I don't know if the church will do a good job of weeding out the bad ones. Used to be they didn't defrock anyone because it would be construed as guilt and perhaps make the church responsible. Perhaps after a few lawsuits, they'll realize that they have to do things differently. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BSChat] Re: Israel, et al Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 23:34:56 -0600 I am so friggin tired of the Israel-Palastine conflict I could throw-up! And my patience with Afganistan is growing thin. And I'm sick & tired of the Catholic Priests & sex abuse. There is no end to the old, archaic, way of thinking. I had high hopes that the human mind had risen to a higher level in 2002, but it doesn't look promising. Looks like the Middle Eastern countries are still mired-in with their old religious beliefs. In a nut-shell, I'm disappointed in the *MALE* leaders of various countries. They can never seem to get it together. Jan C. ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Perhaps some enlightened person can set me on the straight and narrow on something. Perhaps I am too involved to have an objective opinion. Two days ago my daughter Kade went to a park with two of her friends. They have a long standing rule that they are home by the time the street lights start popping on. Come dusk they aare still not home, so I called the mother of one of the other girls to see they were at her house. She said no, but she was on her way to park to pick them up and bring them home. I said, OK, since you're going I won't bother. Dusk turned to dark, so I drove to this woman's house to see if they had forgot to call me. She said her little girl was home, she had picked her up at the park , but that Kade and the other little girl were still at the park because they had told her they were not ready to go home yet, and by the way, I should check Kade's breath because her little girl told her Kade had gotten dead drunk on beer she got from some older kids at the park. I went to the park, picked up the two girls, smelled Kade's breath, no beer, she wasn't drunk, etc. From the story I heard fro! m Kade and the other girl, they had wanted to come home with the woman and her daughter, but the other girl hadn't wanted to leave the park, was mad because her mother had come to pick her up, called Kade and friend several choice nasty names, and had lied to her mother about Kade wanting to stay at the park. The next day this nasty talking little girl, age 8, goes to school and tells everyone that Kade was drunk at the park, and told the principal to check Kade's school bag, which is jam packed with various things. The principal collars Kade, searches her backpack and find three packs of my cigarettes in it. Kade swears up and down she did not put the cigarettes in there, and since we all know our children and know when they lying, I believe Kade. The nasty talking little girl had been at our house all weekend, by the way. The way I read it, the nasty little girl put the cigarettes in the bag, in an attempt to get Kade in trouble. This little girl is very disturbed, I have commented to my adult friends several times that I didn't think the child was wired right. This is the daughter of the woman who tried to kill herself a few weeks back by jumping off her second story balcony onto a patio. Anyway, here's where I am perplexed. Why did that woman leave two 9 year old girls alone in a park after dark ? Especially after she had been told, wrongly as it turns out, that one of them was drunk and around older guys ? I was so very tempted to call the police on the woman and have her charged with child endangerment, but I already have enough problems with these neighbors who think I am over protective. I just made the decision that we don't know this woman and her daughter any more, the child will not be in my house nor will Kade go to their house any more. Some people around me are faulting me for this stance, saying I am making a mountain out of a molehill. What do you folks think ? Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com