Depends on which side of the knife you're on, just like when the doc's working on you. ,G> Ja nG. << Hey, sounds fair to me! Just one question... is that a win/win or a lose/lose situation? *grin* Best, SueB>> _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
Bill, I think you're an extremely lucky man and I'm thankful for that. It's been a lot of years since I've met a terrific doctor. Jan G. << I will not join the Doctor bashing, with out my two Docs I wouldn't be here. All I can say if you don't like what your Doc is doing get a second or even a third opinion. Do not lump all Doctors in one catergory, there are many excellent Doctors. -- Wild Bill, North Pole, Alaska Life is what happens to you while you're making other plans.>> _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
> Anyone know or heard of any civilization, country or society that was ran by females, at any time in the history of the world?< Jack, There have been several matriarchal societies recorded in the history of the world. The Cherokees were one that immediately comes to mind and noted sociologist Margaret Mead did a study on at least one, if not more, matriarchal society, in New Guinea I think it was. See what you can find in your local library under the subject. Best, SueB
Jack, I don't know where that park is, how close, but I would probably not turn one of my kids loose to walk more than half a block to a park, and that can be too far. Parks are an ideal place for kids to get stolen, or walking to and from. I guess the way I'm thinking is, other than kids and their parents, who would gravitate towards a park with little kids? My kids played in front of our home or in the back yard, or at a friends' house. And if I knew someone's mom had tried to kill herself, my kids wouldn't be there. Next time, she may be successful and take a couple other people with her. 1. I wouldn't let her play with that girl, at all, ever. 2. Talk to the school, make sure they understand what you know about that other kid, more than just this cigarette instance, but they need to know that the little girl was at your home and probably planted them. Talking to the mom won't do any good. What ever mental problems she has appear to be spreading to the daughter, and what ever you say will probably just make life tougher for Kade at school. Looks to me like it's a safe bet that the mom and her daughter are going to have some interesting times in the future. I would n't want my kids to be a part of it. Jack, you need to MOVE!!! Jan g. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BSChat] UPSET PARENT Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:40:47 -0500 Perhaps some enlightened person can set me on the straight and narrow on something. Perhaps I am too involved to have an objective opinion. Two days ago my daughter Kade went to a park with two of her friends. They have a long standing rule that they are home by the time the street lights start popping on. Come dusk they aare still not home, so I called the mother of one of the other girls to see they were at her house. She said no, but she was on her way to park to pick them up and bring them home. I said, OK, since you're going I won't bother. Dusk turned to dark, so I drove to this woman's house to see if they had forgot to call me. She said her little girl was home, she had picked her up at the park , but that Kade and the other little girl were still at the park because they had told her they were not ready to go home yet, and by the way, I should check Kade's breath because her little girl told her Kade had gotten dead drunk on beer she got from some older kids at the park. I went to the park, picked up the two girls, smelled Kade's breath, no beer, she wasn't drunk, etc. From the story I heard fro! m Kade and the other girl, they had wanted to come home with the woman and her daughter, but the other girl hadn't wanted to leave the park, was mad because her mother had come to pick her up, called Kade and friend several choice nasty names, and had lied to her mother about Kade wanting to stay at the park. The next day this nasty talking little girl, age 8, goes to school and tells everyone that Kade was drunk at the park, and told the principal to check Kade's school bag, which is jam packed with various things. The principal collars Kade, searches her backpack and find three packs of my cigarettes in it. Kade swears up and down she did not put the cigarettes in there, and since we all know our children and know when they lying, I believe Kade. The nasty talking little girl had been at our house all weekend, by the way. The way I read it, the nasty little girl put the cigarettes in the bag, in an attempt to get Kade in trouble. This little girl is very disturbed, I have commented to my adult friends several times that I didn't think the child was wired right. This is the daughter of the woman who tried to kill herself a few weeks back by jumping off her second story balcony onto a patio. Anyway, here's where I am perplexed. Why did that woman leave two 9 year old girls alone in a park after dark ? Especially after she had been told, wrongly as it turns out, that one of them was drunk and around older guys ? I was so very tempted to call the police on the woman and have her charged with child endangerment, but I already have enough problems with these neighbors who think I am over protective. I just made the decision that we don't know this woman and her daughter any more, the child will not be in my house nor will Kade go to their house any more. Some people around me are faulting me for this stance, saying I am making a mountain out of a molehill. What do you folks think ? Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com is a wide spectrum Chat List, Topics allowed are almost anything.restrictions are: Political discussion, religious prosylitizing, and aggressive behavior, any of these topics will result in restricted priveleges. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
Wow, that's impressive!! Hondas are built with a really good roll cage around the passenger compartment. I guess something falling from 14 floors can destroy it, make it dent and absorb the energy, I guess. How else can it be explained?? Well, to any other person it would look like a "sign" but who knows what the lady it thinking. Sounds like she's in for a stay with some white-jackets. Jan g. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Tea Leaves Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:52:53 -0500 The car she landed on was a 2001 Honda CRV. A doctor said this was the type of thing one saw in movies, not in real life, and that the woman should consider that her stay on this earth may not be ready to be terminated and she should re-think about killing herself. This was the second attempt in three days to kill herself. The first times she tried overdosing on pills. Jack Childers in OKC ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
In a message dated 5/8/2002 6:58:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jaxone1234@msn.com writes: > I got a recipe from friends on the net, tried it and the cockroaches are > slowly going away. > > 1 cup Crisco > 1 cup sugar > 8 oz. Boric Acid > Enough flour to make it like pie crust dough > > Make into small balls and place all over the house. It is slightly greasy > so don't place it on furniture, wood or any place you don't want a grease > spot. > > Jack Childers in OKC Mix some Peanut butter in, and you got COOKIES- NOT Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)
In a message dated 5/8/2002 6:50:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time, elmo@netsync.net writes: > HELP! > Hello, > I need a quick answer on the concoction for killing cockroaches. I recall > that several of my cyber-siblings came forth with their remedies for the > cockroach problems. I neglected to save this important information and now > I need it as soon as possible. My sincere thanks in advance.....E T..... > Boric Acid Powder is the official US Gov't recommendation, they walk through it, and it dehydrates them. 'Roach Pruf" is a big brand name, but it can be bought almost anywhere as "roach Powder". The Sprays by Black Flag and Raid work well if you can hit the little rockets. There are products available that genetically sterilized the eggs, which will usually survive the death of the carrying mother, and STILL hatch out. There is a Flea spray that works on carpetted areas that kills mama roaches and their eggs as well as fleas- called OVATROL, but you have to get it from a VET. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)
<A HREF="http://www.archaeology.org/9701/abstracts/sarmatians.html">Warrior Women of Eurasia</A> This is interesting Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)
In a message dated 5/8/2002 5:31:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jaxone1234@msn.com writes: > > Anyone know or heard of any civilization, country or society that was ran > by females, at any time in the history of the world ? Egypt for one, and some of the ancient civilizations were I am sure. I don't believe women have ever BEEN every position in a government, but you can bet they have always had a "controlling" input to those who were. Only men have set up societies that totally excluded the other sex, usually Military Governments, such as Rome, which the modern governments are mostly derived from, or in Monarchies, where there is a leadership based on heredity, or conquest. The Greeks had a strong political presence of women, although I am unsure if it was by Vote, or just "influence". I do notice in OUR government that the politically elected women representatives seem to be more "hardline" and extreme in their goals, views and actions, (based on observation of those that represent California). Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)
Now that's it's come to the surface in such a big way, yes. It seems like they'll have to make some big changes and probably also allow married priests. (Celibacy is a custom, not something dictated by the Bible.) The way people view the priesthood in this country is probably going to change a lot, and last for at least a couple generations. The determining factor will be what changes the church makes and their attitude toward the pedophiles. Having a pervert in their midst is one thing. Knowing it, moving him, harboring and sheltering him, that's another and can only be viewed as aiding and abetting, as long as he's in contact with children. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Doris" <ginlu@charter.net> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Israel, et al Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 10:35:07 -0400 I wonder if maybe we'd have fewer problems getting really "good" men into the priesthood if the others were not allowed to remain??? Seems to me it would be a reason for a decent fellow to not want to be a part of such a group...... Just a thought.... Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Israel, et al Yes, the Moxley case will be interesting. Skakel isn't quite a Kennedy and he's not a very sympathic figure. The case is looking pretty bad for him. I'm digusted by the molestations. The accusations are just the truth coming out, ugly as it is, and it's a part of the "clean up". It would go on indefinitely without the public becoming aware of the situation. No doubt there'll be some small percentage of false accusations, and I hope those are laid to rest quickly, but for the most part, I'm hoping the accusations, criminal and civil proceedings will lead to some changes that will protect the kids. I'm sure the church is concerned--they have trouble keeping priests as it it, I think. And who knows how large a percentage of them this could eventually affect. But, the only right thing to do, for the church to keep their credibility, it do get rid of the men who are committing these crimes and turn them over to the police. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: HBalc27124@aol.com Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Israel, et al Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:32:41 EDT I am tired of it, too. My newspaper sometimes sits unopened on the table for three days. However, the Martha Moxley murder case (Michael Skakel) could prove interesting. Are you sick of the priest molestations or the accusations? Terri ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Oh yes, it will come from the pockets of the laity---just like Jim & Tammy's came from the "little folks"...but that's where the income comes from.... So from the pockets of the laity to the pockets of the lawyers.....and Geraldo, and Barbara WaWa, etc.... Do you think the attorneys would care if there was no big money involved?? I don't .... Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: <HBalc27124@aol.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] priests I wonder if the church donations are going to drop off. Maybe when they see the billion dollar payments and realize that money had to come from somewhere. The pockets of the laity? Terri ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237
I've known (and been in ministry with and close contact with) several priests as closely as a family member, and having been an active Catholic for all of my long life, I've never known a priest who was a molester or was even accused of it---or even suggested it---and this would number in the hundreds of priests. I don't think that means that there are no bad ones...I just think they are in the minority....but even one is too many! The Church has survived scandals before, and it will make it much stronger to get this rotten wood removed from the foundation. Good analogy on the snakes.... Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] priests People react differently to the same situation. For some, who may not have been happy for what ever reason with the church, this is the only excuse they'll need to cut their ties. I think that's what it was with my son in law. The last straw. Others will realize that there's some really great men out there in the priesthood and over look the bad for the good. The most important thing will be the way the church handles this. They have to put the health and welfare of their flock first. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] priests Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 07:52:12 -0500 I went to a Catholic priest when I was 13 to seek guidance with my troubles, in Kansas City, Missouri. He molested me. That didn't make me avoid the Catholic church, just made me avoid closed quarters with priests I thought were going to molest me again. Once saw a few rattlesnakes, but it didn't send me on a St.Patrick crusade against snakes. Jack Childers in OKC ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237
Truthfully, at this point, I'll have to say no...however, I just made the connection to the data fairly recently, and haven't finished (do we ever?) entering what I've found into my data. I'll say that Alfred was the youngest son of Carr Allen, born in Grayson Co, VA. Carr Allen moved on to Grayson Co, KY, but many of the children moved to other places, including Letcher Co, KY (where my grandfather was born), Carroll Co, VA, Lee Co, VA, etc. ALL these areas are Melungeon "heavy", so we may have a tie with each other in that line. Oh, yes, my ggrandfather had an uncle & 1st cousin executed in Richmond, also (they were members of the Appalachian Allen Gang...somewhat notorious around the Civil War era). Should I find a tie, I'll certainly let you know! Many of us on this site are tied together in one line or another. Mike IBSSG > [Original Message] > From: Telecom Girl <telecomgirl911@hotmail.com> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 5/8/2002 9:34:45 AM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Melungeons/Black Dutch > > Michael - > I am researching my Melungeon Allens too!! > I couldn't find your Allen in my tree, or the Cornetts - > My Allens came from Scott Co. VA and moved to Rockcastle Co. Ky > > Sound familiar? > > Cammie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shuler Michael" <grinch42@mindspring.com> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 12:00 AM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Melungeons/Black Dutch > > > > Right, Jan! On my mother's side I have a couple of instances of > > Melungeon claiming something else...My mother's maiden name was Pruitt (an > > Irish name)...when I asked her why her brothers & my cousins were so dark > > complected, she looked at me with her blue eyes and said "hush...we're > > Black Irish!" Didn't find out until she had been in her grave for several > > years the truth...Melungeon. Likewise, she had a grandmother whose maiden > > name was Nelson (English, right?). Wrong! My mother said "oh...she was an > > Indian Princess!" What a crock! > > On my father's side there's the Allen clan (which should have been my last > > name). Sounds English or French. But, the Appalachian Allen clan (mine) > > is Melungeon. My ggrandfather (Alfred Lewis Allen) couldn't marry my > > ggrandmother because he looked like a FPC (Free Person of Color), and my > > ggrandmother was a blue-eyed blonde of primarily German heritage. > > Later discovered that even that wasn't completely true...her grandmother > > had been a Cornett (supposedly a corruption of Canute, a Danish king of > > England). Cornett was probably ORIGINALLY of that derivation, but the > ones > > in SW Virginia are another family of Melungeons! > > Guess I could go on and on with my own heritage, but that's enough! Just > > goes to show that you have to really get in there & dig. Sometimes it's > > even possible to interview people from other families who knew the family > > you're researching, and can give you a decent physical description. That > > combined with the part of the country is usually the only "proof" you're > > going to find, due to the Melungeons attempting to hide for centuries in > > order to avoid being discriminated against. > > Thank heaven racial pride has displaced the old discrimination to a large > > extent! > > > > Mike > > IBSSG > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > > > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Date: 5/8/2002 7:33:27 AM > > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Melungeons/Black Dutch > > > > > > > > > Well, Mike will know more about this than I, I haven't heard so much of > > > "Black Irish" in respect to the Melungeons, I sure it's possible, > though. > > > They usually claimed association with just about anything else as a > > reason > > > for their exotic, darker look, often contrasted with blue eyes. There > > have > > > been a lot of years when it wasn't good to claim a family connection to > > > either the NA peoples or to Blacks, so, depending on the time frame and > > > location, I'm sure they came up with various stories to protect > > themselves > > > from the ignorant people around them. As a group, they've had a pretty > > rough > > > time here. There are still those who don't want it known that they're > > part > > > Melungeon--the first website I saw about them, the website owner had > > > received threats. He had mentioned specific surnames in association with > > > Melungeon families, and some people didn't like that. There's still > > plenty > > > of ignorance to go around, looks like. > > > > > > Jan G. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: "Telecom Girl" <telecomgirl911@hotmail.com> > > > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-D Digest V02 #696 > > > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 07:42:37 -0500 > > > > > > I think the kind of census information I was looking for would be the > > "black > > > Irish" race. I have heard this was commonly used by Melungeon families. > > > > > > Cammie > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <LVLYLADY12@aol.com> > > > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 2:52 PM > > > Subject: [BSChat] Re: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-D Digest V02 #696 > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/7/02 9:37:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find this very interesting - we have all the "Melungeon" > > > Characteristics > > > > > in my family - but I can't find any census type evidence listing > > anyone > > > as > > > > > anything but white. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Telecom girl, I don't think the Melungeons were listed on the census > as > > > > "Melungeon" > > > > There was so much prejudice through the years, they tried to hide it > > and > > > > listed themselves as white. Now of course that has done away with. > > > There > > > > are several books and websites about Melungeons that could probably > > give > > > you > > > > a lot of information. It is a fascinating subject. > > > > > > > > Laurelyn > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > > > > > > > > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > > > scribe > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > > > > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > > scribe > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go > > > to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > > > > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > > scribe > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > --- Shuler Michael > > --- grinch42@mindspring.com > > --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. 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OMG! Yes! George's car. How appropriate! <g> jan g. ----Original Message Follows---- From: HBalc27124@aol.com Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] FL suicide Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 12:21:16 EDT Jan, it did happen on Seinfeld! Remember Kramer's Pig Man? Terri ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
My two cents: marriage has nothing to do with whether a man (or woman) is a pedophile. It is no deterrent to any mental illness and pedophilia is that - ugly, mean and horrible, yes, but a mental illness all the same. It is a horrible shame that men (speaking of the priesthood and the clergy, in general) in positions of trust in a church, would use that 'exaulted status' to abuse that trust, and on innocent children. How many parents, do you suppose, would even believe their parish priest could - or would - even think of doing such a thing? No doubt, we are seeing only the 'tip of the iceberg' in this "church problem" which, in reality, is society's problem. Do any of you view the EWTN cable channel - Mother Angelica's? If she weren't so incapacitated from suffering strokes, I bet she would give 'em all hell over this behavior, even if she was threatened with excommunication! EWTN is finally addressing this church problem on a couple of their newsy shows - said 'they had been waiting to hear what Rome had to say and decide'. Huh! Sure not much from Rome! It has taken a hit in the Catholic Church's pocketbook to get anyone's attention, including the individual dioceses. Well, Amen to that! Who said, "Money Talks"? Have a great day! Shirley: bobert@i-1.net
Michael - I am researching my Melungeon Allens too!! I couldn't find your Allen in my tree, or the Cornetts - My Allens came from Scott Co. VA and moved to Rockcastle Co. Ky Sound familiar? Cammie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shuler Michael" <grinch42@mindspring.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Melungeons/Black Dutch > Right, Jan! On my mother's side I have a couple of instances of > Melungeon claiming something else...My mother's maiden name was Pruitt (an > Irish name)...when I asked her why her brothers & my cousins were so dark > complected, she looked at me with her blue eyes and said "hush...we're > Black Irish!" Didn't find out until she had been in her grave for several > years the truth...Melungeon. Likewise, she had a grandmother whose maiden > name was Nelson (English, right?). Wrong! My mother said "oh...she was an > Indian Princess!" What a crock! > On my father's side there's the Allen clan (which should have been my last > name). Sounds English or French. But, the Appalachian Allen clan (mine) > is Melungeon. My ggrandfather (Alfred Lewis Allen) couldn't marry my > ggrandmother because he looked like a FPC (Free Person of Color), and my > ggrandmother was a blue-eyed blonde of primarily German heritage. > Later discovered that even that wasn't completely true...her grandmother > had been a Cornett (supposedly a corruption of Canute, a Danish king of > England). Cornett was probably ORIGINALLY of that derivation, but the ones > in SW Virginia are another family of Melungeons! > Guess I could go on and on with my own heritage, but that's enough! Just > goes to show that you have to really get in there & dig. Sometimes it's > even possible to interview people from other families who knew the family > you're researching, and can give you a decent physical description. That > combined with the part of the country is usually the only "proof" you're > going to find, due to the Melungeons attempting to hide for centuries in > order to avoid being discriminated against. > Thank heaven racial pride has displaced the old discrimination to a large > extent! > > Mike > IBSSG > > > > [Original Message] > > From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Date: 5/8/2002 7:33:27 AM > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Melungeons/Black Dutch > > > > > > Well, Mike will know more about this than I, I haven't heard so much of > > "Black Irish" in respect to the Melungeons, I sure it's possible, though. > > They usually claimed association with just about anything else as a > reason > > for their exotic, darker look, often contrasted with blue eyes. There > have > > been a lot of years when it wasn't good to claim a family connection to > > either the NA peoples or to Blacks, so, depending on the time frame and > > location, I'm sure they came up with various stories to protect > themselves > > from the ignorant people around them. As a group, they've had a pretty > rough > > time here. There are still those who don't want it known that they're > part > > Melungeon--the first website I saw about them, the website owner had > > received threats. He had mentioned specific surnames in association with > > Melungeon families, and some people didn't like that. There's still > plenty > > of ignorance to go around, looks like. > > > > Jan G. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "Telecom Girl" <telecomgirl911@hotmail.com> > > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-D Digest V02 #696 > > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 07:42:37 -0500 > > > > I think the kind of census information I was looking for would be the > "black > > Irish" race. I have heard this was commonly used by Melungeon families. > > > > Cammie > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <LVLYLADY12@aol.com> > > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 2:52 PM > > Subject: [BSChat] Re: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-D Digest V02 #696 > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/7/02 9:37:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > I find this very interesting - we have all the "Melungeon" > > Characteristics > > > > in my family - but I can't find any census type evidence listing > anyone > > as > > > > anything but white. > > > > > > > > > > Telecom girl, I don't think the Melungeons were listed on the census as > > > "Melungeon" > > > There was so much prejudice through the years, they tried to hide it > and > > > listed themselves as white. Now of course that has done away with. > > There > > > are several books and websites about Melungeons that could probably > give > > you > > > a lot of information. It is a fascinating subject. > > > > > > Laurelyn > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > > > > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > > scribe > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > scribe > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go > > to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > scribe > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > --- Shuler Michael > --- grinch42@mindspring.com > --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. 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I'm not sure that's what Jack was talking about. I think he means the leaders of the group, not the individual families. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Sue & Bobby Bates" <bsbates@netease.net> Reply-To: "Sue & Bobby Bates" <bsbates@netease.net> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] CIVILIZATIONS Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:45:07 -0500 > Anyone know or heard of any civilization, country or society that was ran by females, at any time in the history of the world?< Jack, There have been several matriarchal societies recorded in the history of the world. The Cherokees were one that immediately comes to mind and noted sociologist Margaret Mead did a study on at least one, if not more, matriarchal society, in New Guinea I think it was. See what you can find in your local library under the subject. Best, SueB ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
I wonder if maybe we'd have fewer problems getting really "good" men into the priesthood if the others were not allowed to remain??? Seems to me it would be a reason for a decent fellow to not want to be a part of such a group...... Just a thought.... Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Israel, et al Yes, the Moxley case will be interesting. Skakel isn't quite a Kennedy and he's not a very sympathic figure. The case is looking pretty bad for him. I'm digusted by the molestations. The accusations are just the truth coming out, ugly as it is, and it's a part of the "clean up". It would go on indefinitely without the public becoming aware of the situation. No doubt there'll be some small percentage of false accusations, and I hope those are laid to rest quickly, but for the most part, I'm hoping the accusations, criminal and civil proceedings will lead to some changes that will protect the kids. I'm sure the church is concerned--they have trouble keeping priests as it it, I think. And who knows how large a percentage of them this could eventually affect. But, the only right thing to do, for the church to keep their credibility, it do get rid of the men who are committing these crimes and turn them over to the police. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: HBalc27124@aol.com Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Israel, et al Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:32:41 EDT I am tired of it, too. My newspaper sometimes sits unopened on the table for three days. However, the Martha Moxley murder case (Michael Skakel) could prove interesting. Are you sick of the priest molestations or the accusations? Terri ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237
You're right on the mark, in my opinion. We just have to clean and heal this thing..perhaps I should say "amputate"....no more bandages and hiding things...the law is now involved, and that's as it should be. Maybe now it will be resolved as it should have been years ago. Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Israel, et al Doris, I'm not RC, never have been, but 90% of my friends have always been RC. I consider the church to be a stabilizing factor in our society and I hope that they get this problem straightened out as quickly as possible. It's a forest fire raging right now, and ignoring it, or not handling it right is far more dangerous to the church in this country than co-operating with the police and the families and getting rid of the priests that they've had complaints about. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Doris" <ginlu@charter.net> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Israel, et al Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:42:52 -0400 Jan G. You probably are the first person I've seen to mention that allowing priests to marry will not solve the problem...I AGREE!!! This problem has nothing to do with marrying....after all, look at all the married men who are pedophiles---it's really the dumbest argument I've heard!! And women priests will not alleviate it either, as there is abuse in both genders... It's true that has been going on for many years--centuries ago there were the poor children sold to the church because they were able to sing soprano---they were horribly abused, and it didn't stop until it saw the light of day. I'm Catholic, and I've worked with children who were abused by adults (all kinds of abuse)....as far as I know, it was never perpetrated by a priest.... the whole rotten thing is an authority figure who abuses the relationship...and I guess I will have to say that I'm glad it has finally come to light---perhaps it will put an end to a cancer within the Church and in the long run heal a lot of hurts. If it does no more than force those in authority (bishops) to stop covering for and re-locating the priests in question to another "fresh market" it will be a good thing.....but I'm hoping this will cure a lot of ills. It will have nothing to do with my affiliation with the Church, but I suppose it could go both ways---maybe we should put a little responsibility on some of the parents who wouldn't pay attention to a child who was living in fear of another person. I know of a family who experienced this---the child was abused by a clergyman and the mother refused to believe him. The father did believe--the family broke apart--the son (now grown with his own family) doesn't speak to his mother, and barely to his father--both parents are all alone---and all the family members have taken sides...big problems there!!! I'm glad I wasn't involved in counseling that group! Anyway, neither married priests nor women priests is the answer to this problem....nor is the vast liberalization proposed by some groups the answer....as far as I can see it, it's a situation that can only be resolved by changing the procedures of correction and elimination of the offenders. Off the soapbox for me.... Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 1:47 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Israel, et al Yes, I know what you mean, Jan. I'm hoping that the Israel/Palestine thing will be settled by them alone. I don't want us involved there, if it can be avoided. I don't see any other countries coming to give military assistance to Arafat, so, maybe if we just stand back and watch, the two old "freedom fighters" --or their successors-- will find a way to put the past where it belongs and move on. The priest problem--I have no doubt it's been going on forever. And allowing them to marry won't solve the problem. Those perverts are like any other, except they're wearing a collar and have more opportunities and a better cover than most. I don't think the problem would ever have been drug out into the light of day in any other country than ours, where we're more supportive of the victims. I don't know if the church will do a good job of weeding out the bad ones. Used to be they didn't defrock anyone because it would be construed as guilt and perhaps make the church responsible. Perhaps after a few lawsuits, they'll realize that they have to do things differently. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BSChat] Re: Israel, et al Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 23:34:56 -0600 I am so friggin tired of the Israel-Palastine conflict I could throw-up! And my patience with Afganistan is growing thin. And I'm sick & tired of the Catholic Priests & sex abuse. There is no end to the old, archaic, way of thinking. I had high hopes that the human mind had risen to a higher level in 2002, but it doesn't look promising. Looks like the Middle Eastern countries are still mired-in with their old religious beliefs. In a nut-shell, I'm disappointed in the *MALE* leaders of various countries. They can never seem to get it together. 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I hope somebody got the message..... DJ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Tea Leaves The car she landed on was a 2001 Honda CRV. A doctor said this was the type of thing one saw in movies, not in real life, and that the woman should consider that her stay on this earth may not be ready to be terminated and she should re-think about killing herself. This was the second attempt in three days to kill herself. The first times she tried overdosing on pills. Jack Childers in OKC ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237