Doris, The theories about which European groups have contributed to the Melungeon gene pool are probably all correct to one extent or another. The Spaniards were there first in the 1500's and we know that they left behind some men who were Spanish, Portuguese and North African/Moorish sailors. Then the English, in the 1600's. If any of those people survived, it was because they were accepted by and moved in with the NA tribes. It's also entirely possible that the Europeans brought diseases with them that killed off a portion of the native population, which meant that in the long run, over 400 years, the European traits would have been more predominant than the NA traits. The first of the Europeans may have been treated, initially, as prisoners, but I've wondered about a different aspect. I recall hearing that when the Lewis and Clark expedition headed West, the NA tribes that they met with were fascinated by the Black man who was traveling with the expedition. The NA's called him the "tattooed man". And they thought his hair was really cool, too. The Chiefs offered their wives to him. And it would have been rude to refuse... I have wondered if a similar situation may have occurred with the tribes on the east coast of the Carolinas. If the Spaniards behaved fairly decently and recognized that they were outnumbered, I can imagine them being adopted by the NA. The presence of some that looked 'tattooed', may have helped. The same with any that may have arrived with the English. (I'm obviously making assumptions about the tribes' attitude toward "tattooed" men, but since it was a recurring event from tribe to tribe across plains, perhaps it's a fair guess.) I haven't read the latest on the DNA study linking some of the Melungeons to Spanish Jews, who probably arrived as members of the Spanish crews. I've wondered if, in Spain, there's any passenger or crew lists still in existence for the ships that were sent to the Carolina area in the 1500's. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Doris" <ginlu@charter.net> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Melungeons/Black Dutch Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 06:51:22 -0400 I've read several different descriptions of the Melungeons, and I think no one is definite. I've seen a couple of websites, and they have different theories! [But they were well done.....if that counts?] The general descriptions seem to include Portugese/Indian{N/A)/Black/Irish ?/and a few others... Seems to be no real description that's "official"....but the identifying features are listed. I think the likelihood of a Mediterranean connection is pretty much accepted, also. Concerning the Med. connection, this is usually used to trace certain conditions and diseases. Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Melungeons/Black Dutch Mike - I've seen (and been involved in), the Melungeon story on computer for years, and I'm still confused. There was some story I read (a long time ago), that a group of people landed (or crashed) on the shoals of Roanoke Island, VA. The folks rowing the ship were black. So, all of them were stranded, and Indians appeared in the scenerio...Eventually, the whites, blacks, indians inter-married....hence Melungeons. I had someone suggest to me that my Collins family were Melungeons, which didn't hold water. The Black Irish or Black Dutch, usually just means a Spanish connexion...somewhere. Jan C. IBSSG -----Original Message----- From: Shuler Michael <grinch42@mindspring.com> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Melungeons/Black Dutch > Right, Jan! On my mother's side I have a couple of instances of >Melungeon claiming something else...My mother's maiden name was Pruitt (an >Irish name)...when I asked her why her brothers & my cousins were so dark >complected, she looked at me with her blue eyes and said "hush...we're >Black Irish!" Didn't find out until she had been in her grave for several >years the truth...Melungeon. Likewise, she had a grandmother whose maiden >name was Nelson (English, right?). Wrong! My mother said "oh...she was an >Indian Princess!" What a crock! > On my father's side there's the Allen clan (which should have been my last >name). Sounds English or French. But, the Appalachian Allen clan (mine) >is Melungeon. My ggrandfather (Alfred Lewis Allen) couldn't marry my >ggrandmother because he looked like a FPC (Free Person of Color), and my >ggrandmother was a blue-eyed blonde of primarily German heritage. > Later discovered that even that wasn't completely true...her grandmother >had been a Cornett (supposedly a corruption of Canute, a Danish king of >England). Cornett was probably ORIGINALLY of that derivation, but the ones >in SW Virginia are another family of Melungeons! > Guess I could go on and on with my own heritage, but that's enough! Just >goes to show that you have to really get in there & dig. Sometimes it's >even possible to interview people from other families who knew the family >you're researching, and can give you a decent physical description. That >combined with the part of the country is usually the only "proof" you're >going to find, due to the Melungeons attempting to hide for centuries in >order to avoid being discriminated against. > Thank heaven racial pride has displaced the old discrimination to a large >extent! > >Mike >IBSSG > > >> [Original Message] >> From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> >> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Date: 5/8/2002 7:33:27 AM >> Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Melungeons/Black Dutch >> >> >> Well, Mike will know more about this than I, I haven't heard so much of >> "Black Irish" in respect to the Melungeons, I sure it's possible, though. >> They usually claimed association with just about anything else as a >reason >> for their exotic, darker look, often contrasted with blue eyes. There >have >> been a lot of years when it wasn't good to claim a family connection to >> either the NA peoples or to Blacks, so, depending on the time frame and >> location, I'm sure they came up with various stories to protect >themselves >> from the ignorant people around them. As a group, they've had a pretty >rough >> time here. There are still those who don't want it known that they're >part >> Melungeon--the first website I saw about them, the website owner had >> received threats. He had mentioned specific surnames in association with >> Melungeon families, and some people didn't like that. There's still >plenty >> of ignorance to go around, looks like. >> >> Jan G. >> >> >> >> >> >> ----Original Message Follows---- >> From: "Telecom Girl" <telecomgirl911@hotmail.com> >> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com >> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-D Digest V02 #696 >> Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 07:42:37 -0500 >> >> I think the kind of census information I was looking for would be the >"black >> Irish" race. I have heard this was commonly used by Melungeon families. >> >> Cammie >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <LVLYLADY12@aol.com> >> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 2:52 PM >> Subject: [BSChat] Re: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-D Digest V02 #696 >> >> >> > In a message dated 5/7/02 9:37:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >> > BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: >> > >> > >> > > I find this very interesting - we have all the "Melungeon" >> Characteristics >> > > in my family - but I can't find any census type evidence listing >anyone >> as >> > > anything but white. >> > > >> > >> > Telecom girl, I don't think the Melungeons were listed on the census as >> > "Melungeon" >> > There was so much prejudice through the years, they tried to hide it >and >> > listed themselves as white. Now of course that has done away with. >> There >> > are several books and websites about Melungeons that could probably >give >> you >> > a lot of information. 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In a message dated 5/8/2002 9:17:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jcurtis@redrock.net writes: > Dinner was about > 6-6:30, by 7:30 they were in the bath tub. They could watch a little TV, > but they were usually really tired & were in bed no later than 9:00. My > son > Steve hit-the-sack at 8:30 pm, no matter what was going on. > > I don't like it, that you let Kade go the park until dusk...unless you are > with her. You're asking for trouble. > > Jan C. > My kids get off the school bus at 330, Dinneris at 5, and BED at 8 EXCEPT when Star Trek is on, I let them stay up and watch it. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

In a message dated 5/8/2002 7:44:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gail5189@aol.com writes: > Dear sheepers, I have really enjoyed chatting with you and I have learned > from you also. But I am going to unsubscribe for a month or perhaps more as > I > am going to Atlanta, Ga. to see my newest grandson. This is the youngest > son > of my youngest son who has got his life straightened out and is starting > over > and at 42 has become a father again. His 2 stepdaughters are thrilled to > have > a baby brother. My new daughter-in-law seems to be what my son needs. What > seems odd is she is the opposite of the type he usually falls for. LOL I > have > great grandchildren older than the new grandson. Lordy, I hope everything > goes right for him from here on. Chat with you all later, gators LOL. Gail > in > La. > Good for your son, and Congratulations! Sometimes it is the "opposite" that gets us headed in the CORRECT direction. Sounds like either he hs matured or he has just decided to "do it right". More power to him. Come back and give us an update! Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

"jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> wrote.... > There is no cure-all for high BP... < That was my point, Jan, and it is important that proper diet and exercise be utilized to help maintain blood pressure that is within normal limits for one's age. Of course, as with all else, it's a matter of choice...... Best, SueB

In a message dated 5/8/02 9:52:14 PM Mountain Daylight Time, res0f1lp@verizon.net writes: > What the heck was he doing out at 1:30 at night or I should say early in the > morning? Where are his parents? > Whitewolf, that is one of the things I blurted out. I did learn later that this guy was indeed a few cards short of a deck. When he was dating my niece he actually wanted to use our brand-new lawn mower so eh could earn money doing lawns, not maintain the mower or put gas in it. Nawt. BTW, this happened in summer 1986. all my children are married and have their own homes, however I still do a slow burn when this crosses my mind. Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member Bo-Peep Award Ogden, Utah, USA "God sent his Singers upon the Earth, With songs of Gladness and Mirth. That they might touch the hearts of men, And bring them to Heaven again." --Longfellow

Sue - Tell it to my Mom...she won't walk around the block, and she loves her coffee & sweets. What can I say...she'll be 86 in November, and I just ordered her a bunch of new clothes from Arizona...she won't wear clothes off-the-rack at local stores. Jan C. -----Original Message----- From: Sue & Bobby Bates <bsbates@netease.net> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Meds >"jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> wrote.... >> There is no cure-all for high BP... < > > That was my point, Jan, and it is important that proper diet and >exercise be utilized to help maintain blood pressure that is within >normal limits for one's age. > Of course, as with all else, it's a matter of choice...... >Best, >SueB > > > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Unsubscribe from the list: >Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsu bscribe > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

"jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> wrote..... >... Exercise & more vegetables & low salt does not help high BP. It's hard for me to imagine that the "o" pill contains > enough of anything to help, and they cost $105.00 for 90 tabs.< Beg to differ here, Jan. First off, there's more than one cause for a person to have high blood pressure and, consequently, there's more than one type of medication to treat it. Basically and very generalized: Some people have a tendency to water retention which, in turn, causes an increase in their blood pressure. They are generally prescribed medications that are diuretics to eliminate the excess fluid in their systems. Others are hypertensive due to stress and need beta- blockers to counter the signals generated as a result of the stress. Still others are a combination of the two and require a combination beta-blocker and diuretic. Exercise and diet are very important factors in helping to control blood pressure as is trying to reduce the factors that are causing the stress, if possible. Salt reduction is especially important to individuals who retain fluid. Best, SueB

There is no cure-all for high BP... I'm a salt addict. Take salt & pepper away from me & I would wither away. But I love ice-water & drink a quart per day, at least. My mother retains water and she could care less. She hates water & ice cubes. Her BP is sometimes high, and she's 85 yrs old...she says she was "born with high BP." And high Cholesterol. My dad died of cancer, which started in his kidney & lower back.... (big 6 ft 2 man)...he NEVER drank water, and very little other liquids....a cup of coffee in the morn., a glass of something with dinner...barely nothing in between. And he never drank booze. His BP was off the chart. Jan C. -----Original Message----- From: Sue & Bobby Bates <bsbates@netease.net> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Meds >"jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> wrote..... >>... Exercise & more vegetables & low salt does not help high BP. >It's hard for me to imagine that the "o" pill contains >> enough of anything to help, and they cost $105.00 for 90 tabs.< > > Beg to differ here, Jan. > First off, there's more than one cause for a person to have high >blood pressure and, consequently, there's more than one type of >medication to treat it. > Basically and very generalized: > Some people have a tendency to water retention which, in turn, >causes an increase in their blood pressure. They are generally >prescribed medications that are diuretics to eliminate the excess >fluid in their systems. > Others are hypertensive due to stress and need beta- blockers to >counter the signals generated as a result of the stress. > Still others are a combination of the two and require a combination >beta-blocker and diuretic. > Exercise and diet are very important factors in helping to control >blood pressure as is trying to reduce the factors that are causing the >stress, if possible. Salt reduction is especially important to >individuals who retain fluid. >Best, >SueB > > > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

In a message dated 5/8/02 8:05:01 AM Mountain Daylight Time, telecomgirl911@hotmail.com writes: > Record your exercise, diet, and BP readings weekly - then go to the DR and > ask for a BP med change or reduction. If DR doesn't want to start reducing > BP meds - get 2nd opinion! > If BP is going down and might be getting to low, Dr. better want to change or reduce meds. If not it would leave him open for a law suit. BTW, don't "give" the Dr. your record, let him copy it. Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member Bo-Peep Award Ogden, Utah, USA "God sent his Singers upon the Earth, With songs of Gladness and Mirth. That they might touch the hearts of men, And bring them to Heaven again." --Longfellow

In a message dated 5/8/02 7:58:53 AM Mountain Daylight Time, jaxone1234@msn.com writes: > I got a recipe from friends on the net, tried it and the cockroaches are > slowly going away. > > 1 cup Crisco > 1 cup sugar > 8 oz. Boric Acid > Enough flour to make it like pie crust dough > If you prefer a powder, leave out the Crisco and put it on small lids in out-of-the-way places in the house. Like under a radiator, if you have that type of heating. Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member Bo-Peep Award Ogden, Utah, USA "God sent his Singers upon the Earth, With songs of Gladness and Mirth. That they might touch the hearts of men, And bring them to Heaven again." --Longfellow

In a message dated 5/8/02 7:42:38 AM Mountain Daylight Time, jaxone1234@msn.com writes: > Why did that woman leave two 9 year old girls alone in a park after dark ? > Especially after she had been told, wrongly as it turns out, that one of > them was drunk and around older guys ? Jack, I think the mother is a few cards short of a deck. I view her conduct as highly irresponsible. But then I'm known as one of the meanest mommy's in the city. Really, like I enjoy having teenage boys knock on my door at 1:30 A. M, wanting my 12 year-old daughter to come out and play? Not on anyone's life. I told him to go home and go to bed. I also told him that I would call the police if it happened again. Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member Bo-Peep Award Ogden, Utah, USA "God sent his Singers upon the Earth, With songs of Gladness and Mirth. That they might touch the hearts of men, And bring them to Heaven again." --Longfellow

Me too, but let's do it in Chat, ok? Thx! ;-) SueB ----- Original Message ----- From: "T.L. Leo" <centerice32@yahoo.com> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [BS-L] Re: BlackSheep-D Digest V02 #472 > Herb, > > I want to hear more about your ghost !!!! > > Trisha in STILL COLD Buffalo > > IBSSG > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > ~~~~~ > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > > Visit the Hall of Shame portion of our website. > http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/shame.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Dear sheepers, I have really enjoyed chatting with you and I have learned from you also. But I am going to unsubscribe for a month or perhaps more as I am going to Atlanta, Ga. to see my newest grandson. This is the youngest son of my youngest son who has got his life straightened out and is starting over and at 42 has become a father again. His 2 stepdaughters are thrilled to have a baby brother. My new daughter-in-law seems to be what my son needs. What seems odd is she is the opposite of the type he usually falls for. LOL I have great grandchildren older than the new grandson. Lordy, I hope everything goes right for him from here on. Chat with you all later, gators LOL. Gail in La.

I have the exterminator come in ... spring & fall. He sprays inside & out for $20. I haven't had so much as spider in my house for 10 years, and I live in the desert...lots of spiders & other crawling things around. Jan C. -----Original Message----- From: Elmo <elmo@netsync.net> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 7:50 AM Subject: [BSChat] HELP > >HELP! >Hello, >I need a quick answer on the concoction for killing cockroaches. I recall that several of my cyber-siblings came forth with their remedies for the cockroach problems. I neglected to save this important information and now I need it as soon as possible. My sincere thanks in advance.....E T..... > > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Unsubscribe from the list: >Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsu bscribe > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

My kids NEVER went to park with their friends, alone. Parks can be dangerous, Jack... When my kids were Kade's age, they came home from school about 3:00, had some snacks, played around near the house, rode their bikes, and were always inside by 5:00. They had their little home-work to do. Dinner was about 6-6:30, by 7:30 they were in the bath tub. They could watch a little TV, but they were usually really tired & were in bed no later than 9:00. My son Steve hit-the-sack at 8:30 pm, no matter what was going on. I don't like it, that you let Kade go the park until dusk...unless you are with her. You're asking for trouble. Jan C. ----Original Message----- From: JACK CHILDERS <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 7:42 AM Subject: [BSChat] UPSET PARENT >Perhaps some enlightened person can set me on the straight and narrow on something. Perhaps I am too involved to have an objective opinion. > >Two days ago my daughter Kade went to a park with two of her friends. They have a long standing rule that they are home by the time the street lights start popping on. Come dusk they aare still not home, so I called the mother of one of the other girls to see they were at her house. She said no, but she was on her way to park to pick them up and bring them home. I said, OK, since you're going I won't bother. Dusk turned to dark, so I drove to this woman's house to see if they had forgot to call me. She said her little girl was home, she had picked her up at the park , but that Kade and the other little girl were still at the park because they had told her they were not ready to go home yet, and by the way, I should check Kade's breath because her little girl told her Kade had gotten dead drunk on beer she got from some older kids at the park. I went to the park, picked up the two girls, smelled Kade's breath, no beer, she wasn't drunk, etc. From the story I heard fro! >m Kade and the other girl, they had wanted to come home with the woman and her daughter, but the other girl hadn't wanted to leave the park, was mad because her mother had come to pick her up, called Kade and friend several choice nasty names, and had lied to her mother about Kade wanting to stay at the park. The next day this nasty talking little girl, age 8, goes to school and tells everyone that Kade was drunk at the park, and told the principal to check Kade's school bag, which is jam packed with various things. The principal collars Kade, searches her backpack and find three packs of my cigarettes in it. Kade swears up and down she did not put the cigarettes in there, and since we all know our children and know when they lying, I believe Kade. The nasty talking little girl had been at our house all weekend, by the way. > >The way I read it, the nasty little girl put the cigarettes in the bag, in an attempt to get Kade in trouble. This little girl is very disturbed, I have commented to my adult friends several times that I didn't think the child was wired right. This is the daughter of the woman who tried to kill herself a few weeks back by jumping off her second story balcony onto a patio. > >Anyway, here's where I am perplexed. Why did that woman leave two 9 year old girls alone in a park after dark ? Especially after she had been told, wrongly as it turns out, that one of them was drunk and around older guys ? I was so very tempted to call the police on the woman and have her charged with child endangerment, but I already have enough problems with these neighbors who think I am over protective. I just made the decision that we don't know this woman and her daughter any more, the child will not be in my house nor will Kade go to their house any more. Some people around me are faulting me for this stance, saying I am making a mountain out of a molehill. > >What do you folks think ? > >Jack Childers in OKC >International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists >http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm >"I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" >Jaxone1234@msn.com > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com is a wide spectrum Chat List, Topics allowed are almost anything.restrictions are: >Political discussion, religious prosylitizing, and aggressive behavior, any of these topics will result in restricted priveleges. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Mike - I've seen (and been involved in), the Melungeon story on computer for years, and I'm still confused. There was some story I read (a long time ago), that a group of people landed (or crashed) on the shoals of Roanoke Island, VA. The folks rowing the ship were black. So, all of them were stranded, and Indians appeared in the scenerio...Eventually, the whites, blacks, indians inter-married....hence Melungeons. I had someone suggest to me that my Collins family were Melungeons, which didn't hold water. The Black Irish or Black Dutch, usually just means a Spanish connexion...somewhere. Jan C. IBSSG -----Original Message----- From: Shuler Michael <grinch42@mindspring.com> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Melungeons/Black Dutch > Right, Jan! On my mother's side I have a couple of instances of >Melungeon claiming something else...My mother's maiden name was Pruitt (an >Irish name)...when I asked her why her brothers & my cousins were so dark >complected, she looked at me with her blue eyes and said "hush...we're >Black Irish!" Didn't find out until she had been in her grave for several >years the truth...Melungeon. Likewise, she had a grandmother whose maiden >name was Nelson (English, right?). Wrong! My mother said "oh...she was an >Indian Princess!" What a crock! > On my father's side there's the Allen clan (which should have been my last >name). Sounds English or French. But, the Appalachian Allen clan (mine) >is Melungeon. My ggrandfather (Alfred Lewis Allen) couldn't marry my >ggrandmother because he looked like a FPC (Free Person of Color), and my >ggrandmother was a blue-eyed blonde of primarily German heritage. > Later discovered that even that wasn't completely true...her grandmother >had been a Cornett (supposedly a corruption of Canute, a Danish king of >England). Cornett was probably ORIGINALLY of that derivation, but the ones >in SW Virginia are another family of Melungeons! > Guess I could go on and on with my own heritage, but that's enough! Just >goes to show that you have to really get in there & dig. Sometimes it's >even possible to interview people from other families who knew the family >you're researching, and can give you a decent physical description. That >combined with the part of the country is usually the only "proof" you're >going to find, due to the Melungeons attempting to hide for centuries in >order to avoid being discriminated against. > Thank heaven racial pride has displaced the old discrimination to a large >extent! > >Mike >IBSSG > > >> [Original Message] >> From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> >> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Date: 5/8/2002 7:33:27 AM >> Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Melungeons/Black Dutch >> >> >> Well, Mike will know more about this than I, I haven't heard so much of >> "Black Irish" in respect to the Melungeons, I sure it's possible, though. >> They usually claimed association with just about anything else as a >reason >> for their exotic, darker look, often contrasted with blue eyes. There >have >> been a lot of years when it wasn't good to claim a family connection to >> either the NA peoples or to Blacks, so, depending on the time frame and >> location, I'm sure they came up with various stories to protect >themselves >> from the ignorant people around them. As a group, they've had a pretty >rough >> time here. There are still those who don't want it known that they're >part >> Melungeon--the first website I saw about them, the website owner had >> received threats. He had mentioned specific surnames in association with >> Melungeon families, and some people didn't like that. There's still >plenty >> of ignorance to go around, looks like. >> >> Jan G. >> >> >> >> >> >> ----Original Message Follows---- >> From: "Telecom Girl" <telecomgirl911@hotmail.com> >> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com >> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-D Digest V02 #696 >> Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 07:42:37 -0500 >> >> I think the kind of census information I was looking for would be the >"black >> Irish" race. I have heard this was commonly used by Melungeon families. >> >> Cammie >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <LVLYLADY12@aol.com> >> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 2:52 PM >> Subject: [BSChat] Re: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-D Digest V02 #696 >> >> >> > In a message dated 5/7/02 9:37:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >> > BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: >> > >> > >> > > I find this very interesting - we have all the "Melungeon" >> Characteristics >> > > in my family - but I can't find any census type evidence listing >anyone >> as >> > > anything but white. >> > > >> > >> > Telecom girl, I don't think the Melungeons were listed on the census as >> > "Melungeon" >> > There was so much prejudice through the years, they tried to hide it >and >> > listed themselves as white. Now of course that has done away with. >> There >> > are several books and websites about Melungeons that could probably >give >> you >> > a lot of information. It is a fascinating subject. >> > >> > Laurelyn >> > >> > >> > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >> > Unsubscribe from the list: >> > >> >Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsu b >> scribe >> > >> > ============================== >> > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >records, >> go to: >> > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > >> > >> >> >> ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >> Unsubscribe from the list: >> >Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsu b >scribe >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go >> to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >> http://www.hotmail.com >> >> >> ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >> Unsubscribe from the list: >> >Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsu b >scribe >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >--- Shuler Michael >--- grinch42@mindspring.com >--- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. > > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. 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Sharon - I'm not getting any Klez virus. I've had the same email addy for 4 years. I don't use my address book...too time consuming. Have you reported the virus to your new server? Jan C. -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Workman <workman@dreamscape.com> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 3:06 PM Subject: [BSChat] Just Gonna Lurk! >Sheepers, >I have been getting that Klez virus coming through every day, and today >about six times so far. Norton deals with it, but for the next ???? period >of time, I am not going to post notes. I won't unsubscribe, but I don't >want my new clean email address in too many boxes. > >It's my old address that is receiving the virus laden messages, and >apparently it is in too many address books. > >Talk to you later. > >Sharon >IBSSG > > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

What the heck was he doing out at 1:30 at night or I should say early in the morning? Where are his parents? Whitewolf ----- Original Message ----- From: <AletaM@aol.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] UPSET PARENT > In a message dated 5/8/02 7:42:38 AM Mountain Daylight Time, > jaxone1234@msn.com writes: > > > > Why did that woman leave two 9 year old girls alone in a park after dark ? > > Especially after she had been told, wrongly as it turns out, that one of > > them was drunk and around older guys ? > > Jack, I think the mother is a few cards short of a deck. I view her conduct > as highly irresponsible. > > But then I'm known as one of the meanest mommy's in the city. Really, like I > enjoy having teenage boys knock on my door at 1:30 A. M, wanting my 12 > year-old daughter to come out and play? Not on anyone's life. I told him to > go home and go to bed. I also told him that I would call the police if it > happened again. > > Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member > Bo-Peep Award > > Ogden, Utah, USA > > "God sent his Singers upon the Earth, With songs of Gladness and Mirth. That > they might touch the hearts of men, And bring them to Heaven again." > --Longfellow > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Talk to you when you get back, enjoy your grandchildren Whitewolf ----- Original Message ----- From: <gail5189@aol.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 7:43 PM Subject: [BSChat] Leaving for a while > Dear sheepers, I have really enjoyed chatting with you and I have learned > from you also. But I am going to unsubscribe for a month or perhaps more as I > am going to Atlanta, Ga. to see my newest grandson. This is the youngest son > of my youngest son who has got his life straightened out and is starting over > and at 42 has become a father again. His 2 stepdaughters are thrilled to have > a baby brother. My new daughter-in-law seems to be what my son needs. What > seems odd is she is the opposite of the type he usually falls for. LOL I have > great grandchildren older than the new grandson. Lordy, I hope everything > goes right for him from here on. Chat with you all later, gators LOL. Gail in > La. > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I know...it's catch 22...what I wonder about is, my BP pill is about the size of an "o".... so why can't they suggest something I could eat that would help, instead of a pill? Exercise & more vegetables & low salt does not help high BP. It's hard for me to imagine that the "o" pill contains enough of anything to help, and they cost $105.00 for 90 tabs. I'm about to stop taking it. Same goes for Estrogen...women shouldn't take it. The most common type of Breast Cancer tests positive for Estrogen...meaning it feeds off Estrogen, and needs it to survive. Jan C. -----Original Message----- From: ScismGenie@aol.com <ScismGenie@aol.com> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Meds >In a message dated 5/7/2002 8:56:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >jcurtis@redrock.net writes: > > >> Go to the doctor...they give us a prescription drug. >> >> Jan C. > >A lot of doctors DO use the prescription pad to process patients, but what >other option is available, it is really three choices > >1. do nothing > >2. prescribe medication/treatment. > >3. Operate (if required) > >If you don't think the doctor is doing a proper job you have some choices, >too. > >1. don't go and hope for whatever to is to go away. > >2. Go only if the problem becomes unbearable. > >3. go somewhere else. > >4. Go and do as the doctor says. > >5. Do nothing. > > > > >Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) >~~ >Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site >Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site >manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: >B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n >d i c o t t, > S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. >Nv.) > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >