Moving to Chat..... Thx! SB ----- Original Message ----- From: <HBalc27124@aol.com> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [BS-L] Re: [LO]Bugs > My parents were the same way, they wanted metal around me. My husband was the > same way so I whined until I got what I wanted. (He got a new Camaro which > was what he wanted) > I seem to be having my teenage rebellion now! I had dark brown hair and now > I bleached it with sunstreaks. My dad didn't want my ears pierced, I did it > twice! > What will my sixites be like? > Terri > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > --- > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > > http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/resources.html > search the Rootsweb, UsGenWeb and The Social Security Death Index and More. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

On to Chat, pleez.... Thx! SB ----- Original Message ----- From: <HBalc27124@aol.com> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [BS-L] Re: [LO]Bugs > I now have blown headgaskets which has laid the Bug up so I am grateful we > hung on to the extra car. My husband said we could sell the Bug and get the > A/C fixed in the '88 Camaro but I said NO WAY! Besides, the '88 is a > convertible, who needs air anyhow? Well, since I am in Florida.... > Terri > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > --- > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > The BlackSheep Rootsweb Links page has many Rootsweb based search engines,as well as links to the BlackSheep Message Boards. > http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/resources.html > --- > The Blacksheep Message boards are at: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.organization s.blacksheep > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

On to Chat with this 'un..... Thx! SB ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 2:37 AM Subject: Re: [BS-L] Re: [LO] New Ancestry Subscriptions Prices > > My older brother bought a 1964 Bug, off-white with the 'burnt-orange' interior, with a sun-roof and a radio. Sold it in 1968, when he wife had twins. <g> > > I remember my parents were upset that he'd bought a tiny car with the engine in the back--when the other car hits you, you should have a big engine in front of you, they thought. > > Jan G. > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: ScismGenie@aol.com > Reply-To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BS-L] Re: [LO] New Ancestry Subscriptions Prices > Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 01:32:38 EDT > > In a message dated 5/8/2002 5:54:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > HBalc27124@aol.com writes: > > > > I guess money is for what you want to spend it on. > > I bought a '72 VW for 3500.00 in 1997 which probably sold for 1800.00 > new. > > I probably pour that much into it keeping it running. Yet it is restored > > and > > I love driving it. I have a Camaro as a backup car! > > So 149.00 for a subscription to Ancestry.com isn't bad if that is what > you > > really want. It probably saves you that in gas going to the library. > > Terri > > My 69 Bug cost $2200 off the show room floor, but it was the "Lady Bug" It > had a Radio. > > (AM-Mono, but that was the BIG feature...) > > > Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) > ~~ > Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site > Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site > manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: > B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n > d i c o t t, > S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. > Nv.) > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > --- > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by > each individual submitter. > > To Unsubscribe: Visit the following website and use the QUIT List or Quit > Digest Buttons > http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/ > Contact Jeff Scism, ScismGenie@aol.com for list problems > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > --- > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > > The Blacksheep Message boards are at: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.organization s.blacksheep > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

In a message dated 5/9/2002 8:45:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, HBalc27124@aol.com writes: > Can't melt the ice, I live in Florida! > Terri > It also kills snails, slugs and earthworms, not to mention sterilizing the soil. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

> Why in the world would you want to kill snails and slugs. They are part > of are enviroment and do more good then harm. Personally I don't kill > any living being. Every thing has a reason for being here and a right > to live. Granted I wouldn't let them invade my living space, but > outdoors I let them be. If I didn't periodically leave out little lids full of beer, I wouldn't have any hyacinth, irises or any other of the delicious flowers slugs are so fond of. The beer attracts them, they crawl in and drown. If they would only sign the pledge they wouldn't die...so I don't feel so bad. The problem with CA is that it doesn't get cold enough to control the populations and the mulch we put down to save water, gives them a very nice place to spend the winters and the summers. EdrieAnne IBSSG

Can't melt the ice, I live in Florida! Terri

It's too weird when GIRLS come to your house at 12:30 AM and ask for your SON! Happened to me! Terri

OH man, Edrie, you'd be amazed what those old jugs can sell for as primitive art! Especially if it's signed. Amazing! Perhaps there's some more out there, would be neat for you to have one. I saw one on the "antique road show", it was sooooo ugly, but it was worth a 4 or 5 digit number. Evidently, they're not that easy to find, since they're a breakable object, not that many have survived. Jan g. << By the way she did have two brothers (and more) named Elijah and Joseph Tarpley Dorsey. One of Joseph Tarpley Dorseys clay jugs sold recently on Ebay. I need to look to see if I can find it. EdrieAnne >> _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

Will also kill the salt-intolerant plants. And it can be difficult to leach out of the soil. For snails and slugs, Costco sells a big box of (I love this name) Snail Death. I had no idea we had so many snails until I found their empty shells. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: ScismGenie@aol.com > Can't melt the ice, I live in Florida! > Terri > It also kills snails, slugs and earthworms, not to mention sterilizing the soil. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

"J. Garland" wrote: > > Will also kill the salt-intolerant plants. And it can be difficult to leach > out of the soil. > > For snails and slugs, Costco sells a big box of (I love this name) Snail > Death. I had no idea we had so many snails until I found their empty shells. > > Jan G. Why in the world would you want to kill snails and slugs. They are part of are enviroment and do more good then harm. Personally I don't kill any living being. Every thing has a reason for being here and a right to live. Granted I wouldn't let them invade my living space, but outdoors I let them be. -- Wild Bill, North Pole, Alaska Life is what happens to you while you're making other plans.

Sheepers, thank you all for the kind words & good thoughts. It might be longer before you hear from me as I just got the word from my nephew (the one I share a home with) that he is buying a small ranch about 70 miles from here in a rural area. I am really happy about this as we have been holding our breath until we heard from the bank. It needs a lot of work on the house & barn, but Granny ain't dead yet after all I'm only 68 LOL. I can still use a hammer & paint brush even if they won't let me climb ladders anymore. I don't know what kind of service I'll be able to get for my computer. I'll make contact somehow. I'm still flying to Atlanta in the morning, thank heaven I'm all packed for that so I'll have time to pack up my breakables. I don't trust that job to anyone else. I'm going to be busier than a cat on a tin roof. LOL. Gail in La.

Yes, Jan, I have to agree with the observation on the Black Dutch, being familiar with the Spanish Netherlands (southern Holland & virtually all of Belgium & Luxembourg). As to the Black Irish, I accepted that explanation without question while my mother was living, mostly because she seemed embarrased to discuss the pigmentation aspect. My Pruitt line was VERY close-mouthed about origins & relationships, so that the only info I had on my mother's side of the family came from her mouth. Trying to trace them through written documents (including census) was almost impossible. After many years, and much searching through all possible spelling variations (and there are quite a few for that surname), I ran into the Melungeon research & realized that I have many of the physical characteristics, the families involved came from the right part of the country, and started seeing lists of surnames of POSSIBLE Melungeon origin. If I hadn't seen not only Pruitt, but most of the other surnames associated with my mother's lines, I wouldn't have made the connection, much less accepted it. Still, to PROVE Melungeon origin is something which I don't believe to be possible. Perhaps DNA research & technology will make it feasible, but that probably won't be a reality within my remaining lifetime. Am I open to & game for further research & being proved wrong? YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT! One thing I've had to learn about geneology is that it must ALWAYS be approached with an open mind & willingness to be proven wrong. Thanks for the forum, my BS family! Mike IBSSG > [Original Message] > From: jcurtis <jcurtis@redrock.net> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com>; <grinch42@mindspring.com> > Date: 5/8/2002 10:37:59 PM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Melungeons/Black Dutch > > Mike - I've seen (and been involved in), the Melungeon story on computer for > years, and I'm still confused. > > There was some story I read (a long time ago), that a group of people landed > (or crashed) on the shoals of Roanoke Island, VA. The folks rowing the ship > were black. So, all of them were stranded, and Indians appeared in the > scenerio...Eventually, the whites, blacks, indians inter-married....hence > Melungeons. > > I had someone suggest to me that my Collins family were Melungeons, which > didn't hold water. > > The Black Irish or Black Dutch, usually just means a Spanish > connexion...somewhere. > > Jan C. IBSSG > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shuler Michael <grinch42@mindspring.com> > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:09 AM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Melungeons/Black Dutch > > > > Right, Jan! On my mother's side I have a couple of instances of > >Melungeon claiming something else...My mother's maiden name was Pruitt (an > >Irish name)...when I asked her why her brothers & my cousins were so dark > >complected, she looked at me with her blue eyes and said "hush...we're > >Black Irish!" Didn't find out until she had been in her grave for several > >years the truth...Melungeon. Likewise, she had a grandmother whose maiden > >name was Nelson (English, right?). Wrong! My mother said "oh...she was an > >Indian Princess!" What a crock! > > On my father's side there's the Allen clan (which should have been my last > >name). Sounds English or French. But, the Appalachian Allen clan (mine) > >is Melungeon. My ggrandfather (Alfred Lewis Allen) couldn't marry my > >ggrandmother because he looked like a FPC (Free Person of Color), and my > >ggrandmother was a blue-eyed blonde of primarily German heritage. > > Later discovered that even that wasn't completely true...her grandmother > >had been a Cornett (supposedly a corruption of Canute, a Danish king of > >England). Cornett was probably ORIGINALLY of that derivation, but the ones > >in SW Virginia are another family of Melungeons! > > Guess I could go on and on with my own heritage, but that's enough! Just > >goes to show that you have to really get in there & dig. Sometimes it's > >even possible to interview people from other families who knew the family > >you're researching, and can give you a decent physical description. That > >combined with the part of the country is usually the only "proof" you're > >going to find, due to the Melungeons attempting to hide for centuries in > >order to avoid being discriminated against. > > Thank heaven racial pride has displaced the old discrimination to a large > >extent! > > > >Mike > >IBSSG > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > >> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Date: 5/8/2002 7:33:27 AM > >> Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Melungeons/Black Dutch > >> > >> > >> Well, Mike will know more about this than I, I haven't heard so much of > >> "Black Irish" in respect to the Melungeons, I sure it's possible, though. > >> They usually claimed association with just about anything else as a > >reason > >> for their exotic, darker look, often contrasted with blue eyes. There > >have > >> been a lot of years when it wasn't good to claim a family connection to > >> either the NA peoples or to Blacks, so, depending on the time frame and > >> location, I'm sure they came up with various stories to protect > >themselves > >> from the ignorant people around them. As a group, they've had a pretty > >rough > >> time here. There are still those who don't want it known that they're > >part > >> Melungeon--the first website I saw about them, the website owner had > >> received threats. He had mentioned specific surnames in association with > >> Melungeon families, and some people didn't like that. There's still > >plenty > >> of ignorance to go around, looks like. > >> > >> Jan G. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----Original Message Follows---- > >> From: "Telecom Girl" <telecomgirl911@hotmail.com> > >> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > >> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-D Digest V02 #696 > >> Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 07:42:37 -0500 > >> > >> I think the kind of census information I was looking for would be the > >"black > >> Irish" race. I have heard this was commonly used by Melungeon families. > >> > >> Cammie > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: <LVLYLADY12@aol.com> > >> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 2:52 PM > >> Subject: [BSChat] Re: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-D Digest V02 #696 > >> > >> > >> > In a message dated 5/7/02 9:37:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > >> > BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > >> > > >> > > >> > > I find this very interesting - we have all the "Melungeon" > >> Characteristics > >> > > in my family - but I can't find any census type evidence listing > >anyone > >> as > >> > > anything but white. > >> > > > >> > > >> > Telecom girl, I don't think the Melungeons were listed on the census > as > >> > "Melungeon" > >> > There was so much prejudice through the years, they tried to hide it > >and > >> > listed themselves as white. Now of course that has done away with. > >> There > >> > are several books and websites about Melungeons that could probably > >give > >> you > >> > a lot of information. It is a fascinating subject. > >> > > >> > Laurelyn > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > >> > Unsubscribe from the list: > >> > > >> > >Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsu > b > >> scribe > >> > > >> > ============================== > >> > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > >records, > >> go to: > >> > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > >> Unsubscribe from the list: > >> > >Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsu > b > >scribe > >> > >> ============================== > >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go > >> to: > >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > >> http://www.hotmail.com > >> > >> > >> ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > >> Unsubscribe from the list: > >> > >Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsu > b > >scribe > >> > >> ============================== > >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > >--- Shuler Michael > >--- grinch42@mindspring.com > >--- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. > > > > > > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > >Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. 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My gr-gr-gr-grandmother was Sarah Jane Dorsey who was born in Pickens County, SC (the area became Oconee County after she left) in 1833. She was the daughter of David Dorsey and Mary Martin. David and Mary moved to what later became White County, GA about 1840. David's father remained in Pickens county and I guess Sarah went back to Pickens and worked in a slaughter house cleaning hogs. She married a German immigrant, Johan Frerichs about 1853 and had her first four children in Pickens County. During the Civil War, Johan joined a GA regiment and was blinded by cannon fire. In the meantime they had bought land in Ironsburg, Tennessee and while Johan was away, Sarah built the chimney that is still standing today along with the homestead according to the Monroe County Historian I have been in contact with. When interviewed by the author for Ironsburg Roots, Sarrah said she was Black Dutch and that she had come to the US from Germany with her parents and two brother, Tarpley and Elisha as very small children. This must have been a fiction for the book because her death records tie her to Dorseys which were Americans for at least two generations and I have evidence from census questions that the family had been in the Carolinas for at least one more generation before that. The only reason for her little fiction had to be to explain her darker complexion. The historian sent me a picture of her and Johan taken in late middle age and she is dark but has very fine bones. Doesn't really have an Indian or African look to her. By the way she did have two brothers (and more) named Elijah and Joseph Tarpley Dorsey. One of Joseph Tarpley Dorseys clay jugs sold recently on Ebay. I need to look to see if I can find it. EdrieAnne

Thanks Folks, for all your suggestions on the cockroach problem. You are appreciated... .....E T.....

In a message dated 5/8/02 10:42:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jcurtis@redrock.net writes: > I know...it's catch 22...what I wonder about is, my BP pill is about the > size of an "o".... so why can't they suggest something I could eat that > would help, instead of a pill? Exercise &more vegetables &low salt does > not help high BP. It's hard for me to imagine that the "o" pill contains > enough of anything to help, and they cost $105.00 for 90 tabs. > > I'm about to stop taking it. Same goes for Estrogen...women shouldn't take > it. The most common type of Breast Cancer tests positive for > Estrogen...meaning it feeds off Estrogen, and needs it to survive. > Jan; I agree with you on both. I just stopped by BP meds before going to a new Doc. It is perfect now. Same with Estrogen had tumors and bad mamo's when on it. I use Soy products now and a little progesterone cream. I have tried to use natural remedies when at all possible. At one time they had me on over 18 different meds. The meds caused bad side effects and made me sicker. I have liver growths from some of the meds. Know I just am on a low dose of Paxil and Ativan 1 mg x 3. The had me on 8 mg a day. I weaned myself down to 3 a day. I don't want to take any meds, but due to depression and anxiety, I have to be on these two. My system to so sensitive to everything now. I have tried to go off these two and I just go into severe anxiety and depression and it is not worth all that. Robin

Jan - I found taking calcium and magnesium together helped my BP 1000 mg of each at night, and 500 mg of each 12 hours later. Really gave my BP a push downward, while I was waiting for the benefits of diet and exercise to kick in! ----- Original Message ----- From: "jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Meds > I know...it's catch 22...what I wonder about is, my BP pill is about the > size of an "o".... so why can't they suggest something I could eat that > would help, instead of a pill? Exercise & more vegetables & low salt does > not help high BP. It's hard for me to imagine that the "o" pill contains > enough of anything to help, and they cost $105.00 for 90 tabs. > > I'm about to stop taking it. Same goes for Estrogen...women shouldn't take > it. The most common type of Breast Cancer tests positive for > Estrogen...meaning it feeds off Estrogen, and needs it to survive. > > Jan C. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ScismGenie@aol.com <ScismGenie@aol.com> > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:17 PM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Meds > > > >In a message dated 5/7/2002 8:56:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > >jcurtis@redrock.net writes: > > > > > >> Go to the doctor...they give us a prescription drug. > >> > >> Jan C. > > > >A lot of doctors DO use the prescription pad to process patients, but > what > >other option is available, it is really three choices > > > >1. do nothing > > > >2. prescribe medication/treatment. > > > >3. Operate (if required) > > > >If you don't think the doctor is doing a proper job you have some > choices, > >too. > > > >1. don't go and hope for whatever to is to go away. > > > >2. Go only if the problem becomes unbearable. > > > >3. go somewhere else. > > > >4. Go and do as the doctor says. > > > >5. Do nothing. > > > > > > > > > >Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) > >~~ > >Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site > >Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b > Site > >manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: > >B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E > n > >d i c o t t, > > S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. > >Nv.) > > > > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > >Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the > subject, CHANGE the subject. > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

NOPE. Use it for melting ice next winter. ----- Original Message ----- From: HBalc27124@aol.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Meds Thanks, I will use my iodized salt for bath salts! Terri ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I don't know when the word Melungeon came into use, but back in the late 60's I read an article about Black Irish that made sense to me. They said the darker coloring in some Irish came from the Moorish sailors that sometime landed in Ireland, and elsewhere. What I am getting at is that I think too much emphasis is being placed on someone who said they were Black Irish, Black Dutch, and we, in the future, saying, Ah ha, they were not really Black Irish etc, they were actually Melungeon. It could have very well been that they were indeed Black Irish, the blackness coming from the Moor ancestor who was either standed by shipwreck, had fun on shore leave or conquered some part of Ireland. Jack Childers in OKC

I've read several different descriptions of the Melungeons, and I think no one is definite. I've seen a couple of websites, and they have different theories! [But they were well done.....if that counts?] The general descriptions seem to include Portugese/Indian{N/A)/Black/Irish ?/and a few others... Seems to be no real description that's "official"....but the identifying features are listed. I think the likelihood of a Mediterranean connection is pretty much accepted, also. Concerning the Med. connection, this is usually used to trace certain conditions and diseases. Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Melungeons/Black Dutch Mike - I've seen (and been involved in), the Melungeon story on computer for years, and I'm still confused. There was some story I read (a long time ago), that a group of people landed (or crashed) on the shoals of Roanoke Island, VA. The folks rowing the ship were black. So, all of them were stranded, and Indians appeared in the scenerio...Eventually, the whites, blacks, indians inter-married....hence Melungeons. I had someone suggest to me that my Collins family were Melungeons, which didn't hold water. The Black Irish or Black Dutch, usually just means a Spanish connexion...somewhere. Jan C. IBSSG -----Original Message----- From: Shuler Michael <grinch42@mindspring.com> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Melungeons/Black Dutch > Right, Jan! On my mother's side I have a couple of instances of >Melungeon claiming something else...My mother's maiden name was Pruitt (an >Irish name)...when I asked her why her brothers & my cousins were so dark >complected, she looked at me with her blue eyes and said "hush...we're >Black Irish!" Didn't find out until she had been in her grave for several >years the truth...Melungeon. Likewise, she had a grandmother whose maiden >name was Nelson (English, right?). Wrong! My mother said "oh...she was an >Indian Princess!" What a crock! > On my father's side there's the Allen clan (which should have been my last >name). Sounds English or French. But, the Appalachian Allen clan (mine) >is Melungeon. My ggrandfather (Alfred Lewis Allen) couldn't marry my >ggrandmother because he looked like a FPC (Free Person of Color), and my >ggrandmother was a blue-eyed blonde of primarily German heritage. > Later discovered that even that wasn't completely true...her grandmother >had been a Cornett (supposedly a corruption of Canute, a Danish king of >England). Cornett was probably ORIGINALLY of that derivation, but the ones >in SW Virginia are another family of Melungeons! > Guess I could go on and on with my own heritage, but that's enough! Just >goes to show that you have to really get in there & dig. Sometimes it's >even possible to interview people from other families who knew the family >you're researching, and can give you a decent physical description. That >combined with the part of the country is usually the only "proof" you're >going to find, due to the Melungeons attempting to hide for centuries in >order to avoid being discriminated against. > Thank heaven racial pride has displaced the old discrimination to a large >extent! > >Mike >IBSSG > > >> [Original Message] >> From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> >> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Date: 5/8/2002 7:33:27 AM >> Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Melungeons/Black Dutch >> >> >> Well, Mike will know more about this than I, I haven't heard so much of >> "Black Irish" in respect to the Melungeons, I sure it's possible, though. >> They usually claimed association with just about anything else as a >reason >> for their exotic, darker look, often contrasted with blue eyes. There >have >> been a lot of years when it wasn't good to claim a family connection to >> either the NA peoples or to Blacks, so, depending on the time frame and >> location, I'm sure they came up with various stories to protect >themselves >> from the ignorant people around them. As a group, they've had a pretty >rough >> time here. There are still those who don't want it known that they're >part >> Melungeon--the first website I saw about them, the website owner had >> received threats. He had mentioned specific surnames in association with >> Melungeon families, and some people didn't like that. There's still >plenty >> of ignorance to go around, looks like. >> >> Jan G. >> >> >> >> >> >> ----Original Message Follows---- >> From: "Telecom Girl" <telecomgirl911@hotmail.com> >> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com >> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-D Digest V02 #696 >> Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 07:42:37 -0500 >> >> I think the kind of census information I was looking for would be the >"black >> Irish" race. I have heard this was commonly used by Melungeon families. >> >> Cammie >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <LVLYLADY12@aol.com> >> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 2:52 PM >> Subject: [BSChat] Re: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-D Digest V02 #696 >> >> >> > In a message dated 5/7/02 9:37:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >> > BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: >> > >> > >> > > I find this very interesting - we have all the "Melungeon" >> Characteristics >> > > in my family - but I can't find any census type evidence listing >anyone >> as >> > > anything but white. >> > > >> > >> > Telecom girl, I don't think the Melungeons were listed on the census as >> > "Melungeon" >> > There was so much prejudice through the years, they tried to hide it >and >> > listed themselves as white. Now of course that has done away with. >> There >> > are several books and websites about Melungeons that could probably >give >> you >> > a lot of information. 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LOL ...... Jan, we must be cut from the same fabric!! When mine were little, they followed just about the same schedule......and they were not allowed to go off from our yard unless they were with a responsible adult. They were in high school before the rules were changed at all, and bedtime then was 10 pm....even if the homework wasn't done.....plenty of times they'd ask me to get them up an hour earlier so they could finish. The one time I hit my son was when he took off on his bike to the park about 2 blocks away (went without permission)....he was about 10 or 11 yrs old, and I was scared to death!!! Things are much worse now....glad I'm not there. Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] UPSET PARENT My kids NEVER went to park with their friends, alone. Parks can be dangerous, Jack... When my kids were Kade's age, they came home from school about 3:00, had some snacks, played around near the house, rode their bikes, and were always inside by 5:00. They had their little home-work to do. Dinner was about 6-6:30, by 7:30 they were in the bath tub. They could watch a little TV, but they were usually really tired & were in bed no later than 9:00. My son Steve hit-the-sack at 8:30 pm, no matter what was going on. I don't like it, that you let Kade go the park until dusk...unless you are with her. You're asking for trouble. Jan C. ----Original Message----- From: JACK CHILDERS <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 7:42 AM Subject: [BSChat] UPSET PARENT >Perhaps some enlightened person can set me on the straight and narrow on something. Perhaps I am too involved to have an objective opinion. > >Two days ago my daughter Kade went to a park with two of her friends. They have a long standing rule that they are home by the time the street lights start popping on. Come dusk they aare still not home, so I called the mother of one of the other girls to see they were at her house. She said no, but she was on her way to park to pick them up and bring them home. I said, OK, since you're going I won't bother. Dusk turned to dark, so I drove to this woman's house to see if they had forgot to call me. She said her little girl was home, she had picked her up at the park , but that Kade and the other little girl were still at the park because they had told her they were not ready to go home yet, and by the way, I should check Kade's breath because her little girl told her Kade had gotten dead drunk on beer she got from some older kids at the park. I went to the park, picked up the two girls, smelled Kade's breath, no beer, she wasn't drunk, etc. From the story I heard fro! >m Kade and the other girl, they had wanted to come home with the woman and her daughter, but the other girl hadn't wanted to leave the park, was mad because her mother had come to pick her up, called Kade and friend several choice nasty names, and had lied to her mother about Kade wanting to stay at the park. The next day this nasty talking little girl, age 8, goes to school and tells everyone that Kade was drunk at the park, and told the principal to check Kade's school bag, which is jam packed with various things. The principal collars Kade, searches her backpack and find three packs of my cigarettes in it. Kade swears up and down she did not put the cigarettes in there, and since we all know our children and know when they lying, I believe Kade. The nasty talking little girl had been at our house all weekend, by the way. > >The way I read it, the nasty little girl put the cigarettes in the bag, in an attempt to get Kade in trouble. This little girl is very disturbed, I have commented to my adult friends several times that I didn't think the child was wired right. This is the daughter of the woman who tried to kill herself a few weeks back by jumping off her second story balcony onto a patio. > >Anyway, here's where I am perplexed. Why did that woman leave two 9 year old girls alone in a park after dark ? Especially after she had been told, wrongly as it turns out, that one of them was drunk and around older guys ? I was so very tempted to call the police on the woman and have her charged with child endangerment, but I already have enough problems with these neighbors who think I am over protective. I just made the decision that we don't know this woman and her daughter any more, the child will not be in my house nor will Kade go to their house any more. Some people around me are faulting me for this stance, saying I am making a mountain out of a molehill. > >What do you folks think ? > >Jack Childers in OKC >International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists >http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm >"I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" >Jaxone1234@msn.com > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com is a wide spectrum Chat List, Topics allowed are almost anything.restrictions are: >Political discussion, religious prosylitizing, and aggressive behavior, any of these topics will result in restricted priveleges. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237