My kids used to think I was joking, I think, but the last thing I'd say when I left the house is "Don't drink the bleach and don't let anyone steal you!" It's weak, but that really is all you can do--other than keep them close to home and away from pervert-magnets like parks with playgrounds. Jan g. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mellie" <Mel@i12.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] public safety Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 22:42:55 +0100 Jeff, its every parents nightmare, all any of us could ever do is try to warn our kids of the dangers, we can do no more than that Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? ListAdmin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. No attachments sent without prior notification Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

We've got that magazine, Jan C. But, I've read enough of that article to know that I don't want to finish reading it. I'd never enjoy eating again. It doesn't matter when meat animals have been raised and slaughtered, there's always, since the first one, been a good chance of contamination. We may be working in bigger numbers now, but nothing has really changed. Cattle live in dirt and excrement. They always have. The ground beef is the most dangerous and I can't remember the last time I bought it, for a number of reasons. The beef in roasts, steaks, etc.--you can wash the outside, and the outside's also exposed to the most heat to kill germs. The interior meat isn't nearly as much to worry about. Chickens have always carried salmonella and other things and we know that we're supposed to cook that and pork til well done. Not a hard thing to do. Fresh fish prepared by a knowledgeable person is still a really safe thing to eat, even raw. (I love sushi.) My husband makes a mean blackened salmon that's just done enough on the inside to melt in your mouth. I'm almost 51 and I've had food poisoning only once, last year, and it was from eating potato salad at an upscale chain restaurant. So, whatever I've been doing has been fine and I don't intend to change. (I do buy cage free chicken eggs and chicken and meats raised without antibiotics and other stuff added whenever possible, because it tastes better, and I buy veggies at the farmer's market when possible--fresh and good tasting.) I don't mind a few blemishes on fruit and veggies. If the bugs don't want to eat it, why should I? Anyway, what we don't know probably won't hurt us any more than it already has. Although--due to NAFTA being passed--we do have more to fear from pesticides on fruits and vegetables from Mexico. They use things that we can't even think about using on our crops here. jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BSChat] Re: Beef & chicken Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 21:08:19 -0600 I just read an article in National Geographic (May issue 2002), about "FOOD - How Safe, How Altered." Chickens are dirty little things, and there's a pic. of cattle feedlot in Colorado, that pens 100,000 cattle for slaughter. It talks about the risk of fecal contamination, and disease among large-scale agriculture. So I have differ with you on the selection process of meat being raised commercially for us to eat. Those 100,000 cattle are covered in mud, shit, etc. Then they haul them in for slaughter, and maybe they aren't very careful, and hair, microbes, bacteria, etc. cling to the final meat product, e.g., hamburger. I'm not squeamish about eating meat...but I've never eaten any meat *rare* or even medium rare. The only time I eat chicken if it's almost burned to a crisp, same with pork. I like some fish, but it has to be baked or deep-fried crispy. Jan C. -----Original Message----- From: Sue & Bobby Bates <bsbates@netease.net> To: jcurtis <jcurtis@redrock.net>; BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, May 10, 2002 11:34 AM Subject: Re: Beef & chicken >"jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> wrote.... >> Why don't we say the same for beef & chickens, and hogs that are >killed, for our food? And then there's sea-food.< > As a matter of fact, I DO say the same thing for them but the >difference is that they have been raised for that express purpose and >not just slaughtered in their innocence and left laying there. > >> We humans have a basic need to eat cooked meat, fowl, fish. I think >it's inherited...back to cave ancestors.< > Our species are classified as Omnivores, which means that we eat >pretty much anything that we come across if we're so inclined. > Point of fact: Humans require 'X' percent (maybe 20-30%?) of their >diet to be comprised of protein. It is irrelevant whether that >protein source is derived from vegetables or meats. The problem is >that most vegetable sources are 'incomplete' protein. However, >incomplete proteins can be combined to make a complete protein which >will satisfy our nutritional requirements. > No, I'm not a vegetarian and enjoy a good roast as much as anyone. >Given a choice, I'll take seafood though. >Best, >SueB > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

There is also the point that mst children who are abducted, or should I say suddenly disapear, are not taken by strangers, but by those known to them, and often to mom and dad too, which is why the child goes! Maybe the emphasis needs to change to "don't go anywhere with ANYONE" Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? ListAdmin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. No attachments sent without prior notification Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02

Oh Jack, my kind of mishap! can you empty the water from the machine? it will leave the slimey little buggers, and it will take a few washes to get them out (without putting washing in!) your washing detergent should take care of the slime! Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? ListAdmin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. No attachments sent without prior notification Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02

Macaroni--well, at least you won't have to starch the next washload! Terri

I have always appreciated Mother's Day. When I was a child we would make special gifts and cards in school to give to our Moms. Usually our painted handprints, a salt dough pinched pot, something with yarn. I always loved that. My ma was a practicing alcoholic at the time, but I NEVER would have not made/given her something. She is in NO way perfect, but you only get one Mom, and I love her. I didn't understand or appreciate why we went to the cemetery every Mother's Day to place camellias on my dads mom's grave. I knew she had passed on, that he loved and missed her, but I was just too young to understand. I just had to send my husband and kids out kicking and screaming to go get me (AND his Mother!) a card to have for tomorrow. I guess things have changed. Anything that is made at school is split with the stepmother. They ignored my bday this past Wednesday, but not Mother's day! I think kids should remember their Mom's. I shouldn't have to raise my voice to make them remember. We are a pretty happy family, too. They don't hate me, but probably resent me right now. Sorry for venting-please remember you Mom's tomorrow, even if they aren't perfect. I will be placing camellias on my grandmothers grave, flowers from the same bush she planted 50 years ago.

In a message dated 5/11/2002 12:08:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jaxone1234@msn.com writes: > Kade has taken all the courses, been told by me, can repeat the words > perfectly. Then goes out and hugs the first person she sees, tells me they > didn't look strange to her. What do you do ! > > Jack Childers in OKC I have also taught my kids that if they feel threatened to run into the nearest house and find an adult, so there are "situations" where a stranger can be the least thing to worry about. While growing up, I always knew that there were "neutral" people who would help, and all of my nieghbors were declared "safe haven" places to go to in times of trouble. (My kids assume that if they have been invited into a house before, it is an open invitation...even if the residents have changed) Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

In a message dated 5/11/2002 11:59:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Mel@i12.com writes: > There is also the point that mst children who are abducted, or should I say > suddenly disapear, are not taken by strangers, but by those known to them, > and often to mom and dad too, which is why the child goes! Maybe the > emphasis needs to change to "don't go anywhere with ANYONE" > Mellie > IBSSG Even that can be a problem, since my kids do ride the school bus. Grandma amy also come and "get" them from school and such. The problem is in communicating the DANGER of "going" with or near someone. I am really concerned because my 7 year old is at the age where most kidnapped little girls are, 6-9 years old. And she is very "trusting", and friendly. Even though I watch her like a hawk, and my two boys too, things can and do happen suddenly, and I worry that my three will NOT listen at a critical moment. (They DO defy my instructions MOST of the time.) They are very stubborn, like their father. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

Remove the clothes and refil teh washer, get a strainer and as the macaroni goes by Catch it.The Spin cycle will likely get it all stuck to the wall of the drum, where you can get it out. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

My kids ar being instructed in "public safety" and the public threat of abduction, my 7 year old daughter has been told "don't talk to strangers" but initially NOT what a stranger was. I explained to her that strangers were people you don't know, and especially those who your parents don't know. she NOW goes up and introduces herself, and determines that she Knows them. Somehow there is a real communication gap..... Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

I have found myself having to be very specific, as is, no matter who they are, friends or strangers or aliens,no one can touch you in private parts, can get you to drive off with them in their car, etc. Its hard to convince an innocent child that an adult will harm them, but they need to be prepared for even grandpa. Jack Childers in OKC

Kade has taken all the courses, been told by me, can repeat the words perfectly. Then goes out and hugs the first person she sees, tells me they didn't look strange to her. What do you do ! Jack Childers in OKC

My washing machine sits under some food cupboards. Kade had started some wash, was running the water in the machine. Door of food cupboard came open, cat jumped up there, spilled a bag of macaroni, which spilled into the washing machine water. So now I have a washing machine full of slimy mararoni. I scooped most of it out, but some of those slimy little buggers just keep escaping me. You think if I send it through a spin cycle that it will leave the macaroni and let me pick it out ? Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com

Friend and I worked out a system for emergencies. Our children were not to go with anyone besides their parents that didn't know the password. The password was Mermaid for friend's daughter (she's 18 now so I don't think it's important any more). Grandparents and parents and one local friend had the password. We even tested the kids a couple of times. They passed. In any given emergency we thought that should cover most situations. I know I had to use the password when I picked up friend's daughter from 1st grade when younger sibling had to go to emergency room. It worked. EdrieAnne IBSSG

In a message dated 5/10/2002 11:14:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jcurtis@redrock.net writes: > Don't know about you, but I loved Thailand.. Thailand ( and ALL of the Orient) I really enjoyed. I spent some time working with the Royal Thai AF, and one of the pilots was the Crown Prince. Really nice man. The only country I felt uncomfortable in was the Island of Okinawa, there is a LARGE anti-american feeling there. The Japanese have wanted Kadena closed down for decades, the problem is that many of the local girls are "stepping out" with the GIs, and the families are screaming "rape" everytime it happens. So the atmosphere is a wary one. When I was at Clark AB in the Phillipines there was a real problem with the locals "rolling" the GIs. There were problems in the Basing agreement that basically stated, "if a Fillipino, stole US propery and could make it off base, it was theirs." One day a Firetruck left the property, and now is a LOCAL firetruck,,(before Pinatubo blew). Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

I was at NKP, and Korat, and a short time at Utapao. The bugs stay pretty much in the paddies, so unless you were out of the cities, you probably missed them. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

My daughter says,"I thought I was the only one who knew that trick!". Only she did it at three. EdrieAnne and KristineEdrie IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: <ScismGenie@aol.com> Subject: [BSChat] public safety > NOW goes up and introduces herself, and determines that she Knows them. > > Somehow there is a real communication gap.....

Hey Jeff, you comment about something being stole and gotten off of the base makes it theirs, reminds me of the official policy the Oklahoma State Penitentiary use to have, but in reverse. If you could get it to your cell, it was yours ! The state did not furnish wood paneling, but if they came into your cell and it was wood paneled, it was legal. If you got caught smuggling the wood paneling out of the furniture factory and attempting to walk it across the yard you got busted and sent to lockup, but once in your cell it was yours ! If the warden's window unit disappeared and turned up in your cell, it was yours ! That was back in the good ol days. Nowadays they are subject to put you on lockup for the things you actually are authorized to have . Another funny story about the good old days. There use to be a deputy warden who sold Mason shoes on the side. If he heard through the grapevine that you had done something illegal, like maybe making homebrew, he would spot you on the yard one day and whip out an order form for shoes and tell you to sign it so he could withdraw the money for a pair of shoes from your account. If you said, "Hell, I don't want any wing tip alligator loafers, why should I sign that withdrawal slip ?" he would respond, "Fine, then I'm going to lock you up for making homebrew!!". Surprisingly enough, the inmate bought the shoes ! I had so many pairs of ugly Mason shoes I could have gone into the shoe business myself ! And the deputy warden double dipped you. Pretty soon he would shake down your cell and if you had more than the allotted amount of shoes the rule book said you could have he would confiscate the shoes as contraband and sell them to someone else ! Yes indeed, he had quite a r! acket going there. Jack Childers in OKC

Some time back a friend gave me a security camera with two cameras with it. I set it up yesterday, on camera panning my front porch, the other one panning the back yard. It makes me feel so secure to be able to sit at my computer and monitor the little screen the cameras are hooked up to. Now I can see just who or what the dog in the back yard is barking at. The way my front room is set up my front door area has no windows and if someone rings the doorbell I have to look through the peep hole to see who it is. Now all I have to do is look at the security screen ! Neat. Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com

You know, Mellie, that's the smartest thing to tell them! That little girl in San Diego in February knew the neighbor who took her. It's a very common thing in that crime situation. There's also a lot of cases when the kids are taken by an estranged/divorced parent who bent on having custody of the kids. Seems like I also read that homicides are usually by people known to the victim 85% of the time. seems like there's a lesson in there somewhere. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mellie" <Mel@i12.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] public safety Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 19:56:47 +0100 There is also the point that mst children who are abducted, or should I say suddenly disapear, are not taken by strangers, but by those known to them, and often to mom and dad too, which is why the child goes! Maybe the emphasis needs to change to "don't go anywhere with ANYONE" Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? ListAdmin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. No attachments sent without prior notification Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com