Ava - I agree. One cow standing in the pen is better than 100,000 of them slogging around waiting to be slaughtered in Colorado, to end-up our super markets. However, there are a lot of people living in the USA....takes a lot of cattle feed us. Jan C. -----Original Message----- From: Ava Fischer <res0f1lp@verizon.net> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, May 11, 2002 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Beef & chicken >Home grown better. Part of the time I lived on a ranch. My uncle's place. >Grew everything we could to survive. Dad was out of work at the time and my >uncle asked him to run the place while he dug wells. We had chickens (if >they didn't lay eggs then they were for the stew pot), pigs, cows (milk) >and beef, we also grew vegetables. The only thing we didn't have was >fruit. The trees just didn't survive. We also grew our own alfa. We had the >run of 1500 acres, most of it scrub brush and sage. But it was the best >time of my childhood. > >Whitewolf >----- Original Message ----- >From: "jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> >To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 8:08 PM >Subject: [BSChat] Re: Beef & chicken > > >> I just read an article in National Geographic (May issue 2002), about >> "FOOD - How Safe, How Altered." Chickens are dirty little things, and >> there's a pic. of cattle feedlot in Colorado, that pens 100,000 cattle for >> slaughter. It talks about the risk of fecal contamination, and disease >> among large-scale agriculture. >> >> So I have differ with you on the selection process of meat being raised >> commercially for us to eat. Those 100,000 cattle are covered in mud, >shit, >> etc. Then they haul them in for slaughter, and maybe they aren't very >> careful, and hair, microbes, bacteria, etc. cling to the final meat >product, >> e.g., hamburger. >> >> I'm not squeamish about eating meat...but I've never eaten any meat *rare* >> or even medium rare. The only time I eat chicken if it's almost burned to >a >> crisp, same with pork. I like some fish, but it has to be baked or >> deep-fried crispy. >> >> Jan C. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sue & Bobby Bates <bsbates@netease.net> >> To: jcurtis <jcurtis@redrock.net>; BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com >> <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> >> Date: Friday, May 10, 2002 11:34 AM >> Subject: Re: Beef & chicken >> >> >> >"jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> wrote.... >> >> Why don't we say the same for beef & chickens, and hogs that are >> >killed, for our food? And then there's sea-food.< >> > As a matter of fact, I DO say the same thing for them but the >> >difference is that they have been raised for that express purpose and >> >not just slaughtered in their innocence and left laying there. >> > >> >> We humans have a basic need to eat cooked meat, fowl, fish. I think >> >it's inherited...back to cave ancestors.< >> > Our species are classified as Omnivores, which means that we eat >> >pretty much anything that we come across if we're so inclined. >> > Point of fact: Humans require 'X' percent (maybe 20-30%?) of their >> >diet to be comprised of protein. It is irrelevant whether that >> >protein source is derived from vegetables or meats. The problem is >> >that most vegetable sources are 'incomplete' protein. However, >> >incomplete proteins can be combined to make a complete protein which >> >will satisfy our nutritional requirements. >> > No, I'm not a vegetarian and enjoy a good roast as much as anyone. >> >Given a choice, I'll take seafood though. >> >Best, >> >SueB >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >> Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the >subject, CHANGE the subject. >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Unsubscribe from the list: >Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsu bscribe > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > > Jack, not to argue, and I'm not fond of public education as it is today, but > the idea of public education goes way back to Tom Jefferson and Ben Franklin > and I think it was proposed as an effort to teach our kids to read and do > math. > > The kids working in the factories were not educated. It wasn't necessary. If > they had an education, they would have been working somewhere else, if they > were old enough. The kids were working because the family needed the money > to keep everyone fed. > > Communities used public funds to hire teachers and often classes took place > in the church building. I've read enough old New England meeting minutes to > verify that. Such people as Andrew Carnegie, the Mellons and other in the > mid-1800's certainly helped build colleges, but they also built libraries, > simply to provide the opportunity for people to learn on their own. > > Our public schools are not what they should be. Yes, they attempt to create > clones and expect them all to behave the same. They worry about test scores > just to keep the pressure off the teachers, etc. Things aren't right and > some major revamping needs to take place. I've seen problems in private > schools because they don't want to alienate any of the paying parents. sigh, > no solution in sight for either one. Seems like the one-room school houses > did better. > > Jan G. > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> > Reply-To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 16:31:03 -0500 > > Norma, as I understand it, public school systems were founded, and funded, > by industry barons who wanted a more educated peon to work in their > factories. The whole program was geared to prepare the child to go to work > in a factory, take orders, do the thing the establishment wanted. > > I have seen very little since then to make me think things have changed > much. Yes, they want little clones who will fall right in with the party > line. Schools do not encourage original thinking, and that is sad, because > as far as I am concerned that is what schools should do. > > Jack Childers in OKC > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > ~~~~ > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by > each individual submitter. > > The Following topics are inappropriate on Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com: > Political discussion/ views > Religious and inspirational postings, > Politically "Hot" Topics > Advertising and chain letters > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > ~~~~ > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > > http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/mia.html > This is the POW/MIA Links and Database. > A complete list by Service Branch of POW/MIA/KIAs in Vietnam is here. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Sue - We each go our merry little way, and eat what we want to. Jan C. -----Original Message----- From: Sue & Bobby Bates <bsbates@netease.net> To: jcurtis <jcurtis@redrock.net>; BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, May 11, 2002 10:19 PM Subject: Re: Beef & chicken >"jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> wrote.... >>... Chickens are dirty little things, < > Yes, aside from their proclivity of eating manure. So? > >>...and there's a pic. of cattle feedlot in Colorado, that pens >100,000 cattle for slaughter. It talks about the risk of fecal >contamination, and disease among large-scale agriculture. >> So I have differ with you on the selection process of meat being >raised commercially for us to eat. < > Feel free, Jan. If I say 'white' you'll say 'black' anyway. > BUT, my point had nothing to do with commercial food selection or >contamination. I was talking about **empathy for any living thing >that is killed or destroyed and left to rot** Specifically: > > As >a matter of fact, I DO say the same thing for them but the difference >is that they have been raised for that express purpose and not just >slaughtered in their innocence and left laying there.<< Period. > >> Those 100,000 cattle are covered in mud, shit, etc. Then they haul >them in for slaughter, and maybe they aren't very >> careful, and hair, microbes, bacteria, etc. cling to the final meat >product, e.g., hamburger.< > All the more reason to be very careful about how we prepare our >food, making certain that it is cooked at times and temperatures >sufficiently high so as to destroy any contamination during the >slaughter. The slaughter of food animals is not a particularly >sterile process anyway with all of the envisceration of the entrails >and their contents if you think about it. > So, bon apetite and end of discussion. Geez....... >Best, >SueB > > >

"jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> wrote.... >... Chickens are dirty little things, < Yes, aside from their proclivity of eating manure. So? >...and there's a pic. of cattle feedlot in Colorado, that pens 100,000 cattle for slaughter. It talks about the risk of fecal contamination, and disease among large-scale agriculture. > So I have differ with you on the selection process of meat being raised commercially for us to eat. < Feel free, Jan. If I say 'white' you'll say 'black' anyway. BUT, my point had nothing to do with commercial food selection or contamination. I was talking about **empathy for any living thing that is killed or destroyed and left to rot** Specifically: > > As a matter of fact, I DO say the same thing for them but the difference is that they have been raised for that express purpose and not just slaughtered in their innocence and left laying there.<< Period. > Those 100,000 cattle are covered in mud, shit, etc. Then they haul them in for slaughter, and maybe they aren't very > careful, and hair, microbes, bacteria, etc. cling to the final meat product, e.g., hamburger.< All the more reason to be very careful about how we prepare our food, making certain that it is cooked at times and temperatures sufficiently high so as to destroy any contamination during the slaughter. The slaughter of food animals is not a particularly sterile process anyway with all of the envisceration of the entrails and their contents if you think about it. So, bon apetite and end of discussion. Geez....... Best, SueB

I don't think I could have kept from saying "Steve--what time are we leaving? I'll get packed right away!" lol jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BSChat] Re: Vacation Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 23:48:06 -0600 Son Steve leaves in the morning for a week vacation in Moab, Utah....camping out, hiking, mountain climbing, river-rafting down the Colorada River in Grand Canyon. He called tonight...said "Happy Mothers Day...I love you." Jan C. ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

Jeff, its every parents nightmare, all any of us could ever do is try to warn our kids of the dangers, we can do no more than that Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? ListAdmin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. No attachments sent without prior notification Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02

janG, there is a missing Schoolgirl here at the moment, and as is with all cases of this nature, the parents were grilled to hell for hours! This girl is a teenager and it looks like she was either abducted or has gone of her won free will possibly a boyfriend something like that, she was coming out of the train station near her home on her way home from school and just vanished in broad daylight in a busy stree, no-one saw any kicking or screaming, so one presumes that she knew her "abductor" Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? ListAdmin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. No attachments sent without prior notification Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02

Some time ago our daughter and her three children were living with us.....and we kept the children while she (dau) worked.... One afternoon our grandson (age 6 at the time) was playing out in the front yard when a van stopped by the curb---the driver said, "Your mother sent me to pick you up and bring you to meet her at the mall." So Timmy (grson) said, "O K, but I have to go tell my grandpa." and he turned to run to the carport where Bob was working. As soon as he turned, the van drove off.....so we called the police and they got a fairly good description of the van, but never caught the fellow. Timmy told the police that he knew he didn't dare leave the yard without asking his grandpa because he'd already gotten in big trouble once before when he went off without permission. Sometimes it helps to be mean, I suppose....lol Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- There is also the point that mst children who are abducted, or should I say suddenly disapear, are not taken by strangers, but by those known to them, and often to mom and dad too, which is why the child goes! Maybe the emphasis needs to change to "don't go anywhere with ANYONE" Mellie IBSSG

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We traveled around Thailand...drove a car to Cambodia , & took a train, then a car to Burma. I was in Karat, but not NKP because it was basically a locked-down military base. What was the name of the place on the Gulf of Siam...was that Utapao? Did you go to Natrang? Jan C. ----Original Message----- From: ScismGenie@aol.com <ScismGenie@aol.com> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, May 11, 2002 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Snails >I was at NKP, and Korat, and a short time at Utapao. > >The bugs stay pretty much in the paddies, so unless you were out of the >cities, you probably missed them. > > > >Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) >~~ >Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site >Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site >manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: >B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n >d i c o t t, > S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. >Nv.) > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Unsubscribe from the list: >Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsu bscribe > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Home grown better. Part of the time I lived on a ranch. My uncle's place. Grew everything we could to survive. Dad was out of work at the time and my uncle asked him to run the place while he dug wells. We had chickens (if they didn't lay eggs then they were for the stew pot), pigs, cows (milk) and beef, we also grew vegetables. The only thing we didn't have was fruit. The trees just didn't survive. We also grew our own alfa. We had the run of 1500 acres, most of it scrub brush and sage. But it was the best time of my childhood. Whitewolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 8:08 PM Subject: [BSChat] Re: Beef & chicken > I just read an article in National Geographic (May issue 2002), about > "FOOD - How Safe, How Altered." Chickens are dirty little things, and > there's a pic. of cattle feedlot in Colorado, that pens 100,000 cattle for > slaughter. It talks about the risk of fecal contamination, and disease > among large-scale agriculture. > > So I have differ with you on the selection process of meat being raised > commercially for us to eat. Those 100,000 cattle are covered in mud, shit, > etc. Then they haul them in for slaughter, and maybe they aren't very > careful, and hair, microbes, bacteria, etc. cling to the final meat product, > e.g., hamburger. > > I'm not squeamish about eating meat...but I've never eaten any meat *rare* > or even medium rare. The only time I eat chicken if it's almost burned to a > crisp, same with pork. I like some fish, but it has to be baked or > deep-fried crispy. > > Jan C. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sue & Bobby Bates <bsbates@netease.net> > To: jcurtis <jcurtis@redrock.net>; BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Friday, May 10, 2002 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: Beef & chicken > > > >"jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> wrote.... > >> Why don't we say the same for beef & chickens, and hogs that are > >killed, for our food? And then there's sea-food.< > > As a matter of fact, I DO say the same thing for them but the > >difference is that they have been raised for that express purpose and > >not just slaughtered in their innocence and left laying there. > > > >> We humans have a basic need to eat cooked meat, fowl, fish. I think > >it's inherited...back to cave ancestors.< > > Our species are classified as Omnivores, which means that we eat > >pretty much anything that we come across if we're so inclined. > > Point of fact: Humans require 'X' percent (maybe 20-30%?) of their > >diet to be comprised of protein. It is irrelevant whether that > >protein source is derived from vegetables or meats. The problem is > >that most vegetable sources are 'incomplete' protein. However, > >incomplete proteins can be combined to make a complete protein which > >will satisfy our nutritional requirements. > > No, I'm not a vegetarian and enjoy a good roast as much as anyone. > >Given a choice, I'll take seafood though. > >Best, > >SueB > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

----- Original Message ----- From: <HBalc27124@aol.com> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:54 PM Subject: [BS-L] Re: Potty mouth > My granddaughter, when she was 3, was in the back seat of the car. Her mom > and aunt were talking to a rather large guy they knew. Kelsey yelled out, > "Hey. Mommy-he looks like Fat Bastard!" Then she yelled out in a deep voice, > "Get in my belly!" > They shut the car door on her really fast. That night my son Tony asked her > while she was in the bathtub, "What did you do today?" and she calmy replied, > "I saw Fat Bastard!" > Terri > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > --- > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > > Visit the Black Sheep Home page, http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/ > BEST OF THE WEB-Bronze Award for 1998, > Gail's Genealogy Wonderland SITE of the YEAR (1998) > Proudly Hosted by Rootsweb, and a supporter of Rootsweb through "good will" and funds. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mellie" <Mel@i12.com> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [BS-L] relative rumored to be in mafia > jeff, > i stand corrected, then again I am over the pond so don't see what is > reported in the US news papers on a "local" issue > Mellie > IBSSG > > How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? > > ListAdmin: > AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com > BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com > BATE-L@rootsweb.com > BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com > BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com > FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com > HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com > HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > No attachments sent without prior notification > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > --- > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > > Visit the Black Sheep Home page, http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/ > BEST OF THE WEB-Bronze Award for 1998, > Gail's Genealogy Wonderland SITE of the YEAR (1998) > Proudly Hosted by Rootsweb, and a supporter of Rootsweb through "good will" and funds. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Norma" <norma@normasplace.com> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:42 AM Subject: Re: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > Jack,I fought the entire school system here in Portland, OR. and at one time > I even took out all my bills problems with the children and dirty laundry > and a son who they were trying to tell me was a Homo and laid it all on the > judges desk. He said what is this? Simply put I told him when they were > prepared to take on the rest of the responsibility that was mine I would bow > out. They sued me for contempt but the psychiatrist they sent me to said I > was 100 years ahead of my time and they finally let me go. > The kids and I still laugh about it/ As for naughty words. They do need to > let you deal with it. Keep their mouths shut and do the teaching of the > ABC's I better quit. I learned all this having a blacksheep for a father. > He is why I got the initials. Tell you one thing I learned a lot when he was > not in jail. Later Norma IBSSG > > > Message ----- > From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> > To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 2:31 PM > Subject: Re: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > > > > Norma, as I understand it, public school systems were founded, and funded, > by industry barons who wanted a more educated peon to work in their > factories. The whole program was geared to prepare the child to go to work > in a factory, take orders, do the thing the establishment wanted. > > > > I have seen very little since then to make me think things have changed > much. Yes, they want little clones who will fall right in with the party > line. Schools do not encourage original thinking, and that is sad, because > as far as I am concerned that is what schools should do. > > > > Jack Childers in OKC > > > > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > > ~~~~ > > > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by > each individual submitter. > > > > The Following topics are inappropriate on Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com: > > Political discussion/ views > > Religious and inspirational postings, > > Politically "Hot" Topics > > Advertising and chain letters > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > --- > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > TENDER LAMB CORNER: If your Blacksheep is still living, or public posting may cause trouble, send the information to our TLC Coordinator, Sue Bates; BSBates@netease.net, Confidentiality maintained. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > Norma, as I understand it, public school systems were founded, and funded, by industry barons who wanted a more educated peon to work in their factories. The whole program was geared to prepare the child to go to work in a factory, take orders, do the thing the establishment wanted. > > I have seen very little since then to make me think things have changed much. Yes, they want little clones who will fall right in with the party line. Schools do not encourage original thinking, and that is sad, because as far as I am concerned that is what schools should do. > > Jack Childers in OKC > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > ~~~~ > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > > The Following topics are inappropriate on Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com: > Political discussion/ views > Religious and inspirational postings, > Politically "Hot" Topics > Advertising and chain letters > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Norma" <norma@normasplace.com> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > Jack, First I am so sorry to read this, but secondly I am living proof that > all this garbage does not affect the way one turns out in adult life. Far to > much is blamed on parents. This kind of garbage is all the little ones hear > at home. I believe that we are accountable for our own actions, I did not > even know this is what happened to me was called, But I am not perverted by > it. Sorry for the troubled souls that feel this type of behavior is what > they crave. But as a parent we have the right to quietly eliminate and > monitor the environment that our children live in. I stayed home with all > nine and to this day, (Eldest almost 60) it did not hurt for them to go > without new shoes or something else, But honey what I mainly answered this > for was to commend you for your stance on the subject. This is only my > opinion but the public school system sucks. Years ago I maintained they were > trying to make what I called clones out of our children. I still think so. > Gotta get busy You and kade are in my prayers Norma IBSSG > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> > To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > > > > Yes, just recently I had to go to school for a special disciplinary > meeting involving Kade. It seems that Kade and some of her school mates > were involved in playing potty mouth, just running the wheels off of a dirty > word they had learned. Some of the other kids reported it to the teacher, > who thought it needed to be addressed before words turned into actions. I > didn't think it was really any big deal. I can remember the first dirty > word I saw scribbled on the bathroom wall at school and boy did we all have > fun saying it until someone grown slapped us for it. Anyway, during the > meeting one of the little girls stated that one of the boys had been > fondling her butt in school. Well, the school has a sexual harassment rule, > so everyone's ears perked up. The accused boy is only 9 years old so even > then I wouldn't have been upset if he had actually touch a little girl's > butt. But upon hearing the allegation the boy burst into tears and > protested his innocence and after has! > > hing it out it turns out that he MAY have accidentally brushed against > the girls butt, but it was a far cry from actually fondling it ! But it > illustrates how someone can really get messed up over false accusations. > That little boy could have been kicked out of school, actually had charges > filed against him, the whole nine yards, all because some little girl was > super sensitive about someone brushing her butt in passing. Heck, I brushed > up against a woman's butt in the supermarket just trying to get down an > aisle, so things do accidentally happen. > > > > And of course I have shared with the list the many many times Kade's > mother has turned me into child abuse department for having sex with Kade !! > These are the magnifications of a very disturbed mind that we are left to > deal with. And naturally everyone knows our own Jeff is a child molester, > because those people he was suing said so !!! No, it don't take much to > cause some long term grief from a malicious tongue. One of my favorite > ditties goes something like this.... > > > > The tongue can accuse > > And carry bad news > > The seeds of destruction can flow > > But unless you have never sinned in your life, > > Be careful of stones that you throw. > > > > Jack Childers in OKC > > > > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > > ~~~~ > > > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by > each individual submitter. > > > > The Following topics are inappropriate on Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com: > > Political discussion/ views > > Religious and inspirational postings, > > Politically "Hot" Topics > > Advertising and chain letters > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > ~~~~ > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > > http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/mia.html > This is the POW/MIA Links and Database. > A complete list by Service Branch of POW/MIA/KIAs in Vietnam is here. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > > > Seems like most kids go through a "word problem" at some point. My four year > old grand daughter got herself in trouble a few weeks ago repeating a > male-body-part word over and over while on a little road trip, sitting in > the back seat with big brother. Finally, brother said "Dad, make her stop, > please" and Dad told her to knock it off and threw in a threat. She > responded by chanting it in a whisper. So, dad did indeed pull over and stop > the car, pull her out and smack her heinie > once. She's still finding her limits and sure pushes them. lol > > Jan G. > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> > Reply-To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > To: BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 13:36:02 -0500 > > The words the kids were called on the carpet over was blow jobs. They > didn't even know what it meant. Kade had to pull me aside and ask me what > it was ! But, now, thanks to the adults, they darn sure know what it means. > > Kade hears all kinds of words and asks me what they mean. I sometimes tell > her it is a word or subject she doesn't have to be concerned about just yet, > its an adult work or situation and that satisfies her. But when someone > makes a big deal out of it we have to deal with it them. > > Kade's teachers say she has a foul mouth on her because she uses minor words > that are not especially foul, just not nice words, like ass, turd head, etc. > She will call some bothersome kid a turd head in a minute, and whenever I > catch her I tell her she needs to watch her mouth. She counters by saying > its not a cuss word, but I tell her it may not be a cuss word, but its a > word that is not nice to use in public or polite company. > > I have taught Kade all the correct names for body parts and functions and it > kind of tickled me one day to hear her telling a boy next door that she > hoped his penis got cancer and rotted off and that his defecation did indeed > smell ! And she used exactly those > words to say it too ! > > I am all for sex education, at the right time and from the right person. > But I want to be the person who explains it to Kade, not a teacher. > > Jack Childers in OKC > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > ~~~~ > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by > each individual submitter. > > The Following topics are inappropriate on Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com: > Political discussion/ views > Religious and inspirational postings, > Politically "Hot" Topics > Advertising and chain letters > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > --- > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > TENDER LAMB CORNER: If your Blacksheep is still living, or public posting may cause trouble, send the information to our TLC Coordinator, Sue Bates; BSBates@netease.net, Confidentiality maintained. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Ummm.... all due respects, but I think this is a subject more suitable for the Chat-L.......... Thx! SB ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > The words the kids were called on the carpet over was blow jobs. They didn't even know what it meant. Kade had to pull me aside and ask me what it was ! But, now, thanks to the adults, they darn sure know what it means. > > Kade hears all kinds of words and asks me what they mean. I sometimes tell her it is a word or subject she doesn't have to be concerned about just yet, its an adult work or situation and that satisfies her. But when someone makes a big deal out of it we have to deal with it them. > > Kade's teachers say she has a foul mouth on her because she uses minor words that are not especially foul, just not nice words, like ass, turd head, etc. She will call some bothersome kid a turd head in a minute, and whenever I catch her I tell her she needs to watch her mouth. She counters by saying its not a cuss word, but I tell her it may not be a cuss word, but its a word that is not nice to use in public or polite company. > > I have taught Kade all the correct names for body parts and functions and it kind of tickled me one day to hear her telling a boy next door that she hoped his penis got cancer and rotted off and that his defecation did indeed smell ! And she used exactly those > words to say it too ! > > I am all for sex education, at the right time and from the right person. But I want to be the person who explains it to Kade, not a teacher. > > Jack Childers in OKC > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > ~~~~ > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > > The Following topics are inappropriate on Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com: > Political discussion/ views > Religious and inspirational postings, > Politically "Hot" Topics > Advertising and chain letters > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I just read an article in National Geographic (May issue 2002), about "FOOD - How Safe, How Altered." Chickens are dirty little things, and there's a pic. of cattle feedlot in Colorado, that pens 100,000 cattle for slaughter. It talks about the risk of fecal contamination, and disease among large-scale agriculture. So I have differ with you on the selection process of meat being raised commercially for us to eat. Those 100,000 cattle are covered in mud, shit, etc. Then they haul them in for slaughter, and maybe they aren't very careful, and hair, microbes, bacteria, etc. cling to the final meat product, e.g., hamburger. I'm not squeamish about eating meat...but I've never eaten any meat *rare* or even medium rare. The only time I eat chicken if it's almost burned to a crisp, same with pork. I like some fish, but it has to be baked or deep-fried crispy. Jan C. -----Original Message----- From: Sue & Bobby Bates <bsbates@netease.net> To: jcurtis <jcurtis@redrock.net>; BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, May 10, 2002 11:34 AM Subject: Re: Beef & chicken >"jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> wrote.... >> Why don't we say the same for beef & chickens, and hogs that are >killed, for our food? And then there's sea-food.< > As a matter of fact, I DO say the same thing for them but the >difference is that they have been raised for that express purpose and >not just slaughtered in their innocence and left laying there. > >> We humans have a basic need to eat cooked meat, fowl, fish. I think >it's inherited...back to cave ancestors.< > Our species are classified as Omnivores, which means that we eat >pretty much anything that we come across if we're so inclined. > Point of fact: Humans require 'X' percent (maybe 20-30%?) of their >diet to be comprised of protein. It is irrelevant whether that >protein source is derived from vegetables or meats. The problem is >that most vegetable sources are 'incomplete' protein. However, >incomplete proteins can be combined to make a complete protein which >will satisfy our nutritional requirements. > No, I'm not a vegetarian and enjoy a good roast as much as anyone. >Given a choice, I'll take seafood though. >Best, >SueB > > >

Mellie, I feel so sorry for the parents, going through nine kinds of hell over her loss. It was always one of my biggest fears. Jan g. <<janG, there is a missing Schoolgirl here at the moment, and as is with all cases of this nature, the parents were grilled to hell for hours! This girl is a teenager and it looks like she was either abducted or has gone of her won free will possibly a boyfriend something like that, she was coming out of the train station near her home on her way home from school and just vanished in broad daylight in a busy stree, no-one saw any kicking or screaming, so one presumes that she knew her "abductor" Mellie>> IBSSG _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.