If the CA schools are at the top, then we're in trouble! I'm amazed at what my kids graduated from high school NOT knowing. I learned a lot more when I was in school. I think the tests have been dumbed-down a LOT. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Doris" <ginlu@charter.net> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Fw: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 08:16:19 -0400 Actually, the public schools are the only thing that ever got children OR adults out of the sweatshop factory jobs. I'm not a proponent of public schools--I went to private schools all my life---but due to the lack of private schools in our areas, my 5 children went to public schools. I stayed right on top of every situation and I was generally pleased with the outcome---of course, they did know I wouldn't turn loose when I had a complaint. <g> The public school systems in CA & TX are still considered at the top of the list of good school systems (academically) in the US...and I believe we should only expect them to teach academics---I taught mine morals and gave them other directions suitable for existing in civilization....I do think the schools need to stick to that! Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue & Bobby Bates" <bsbates@netease.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 10:30 PM Subject: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > Norma, as I understand it, public school systems were founded, and funded, by industry barons who wanted a more educated peon to work in their factories. The whole program was geared to prepare the child to go to work in a factory, take orders, do the thing the establishment wanted. > > I have seen very little since then to make me think things have changed much. Yes, they want little clones who will fall right in with the party line. Schools do not encourage original thinking, and that is sad, because as far as I am concerned that is what schools should do. > > Jack Childers in OKC > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > ~~~~ > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > > The Following topics are inappropriate on Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com: > Political discussion/ views > Religious and inspirational postings, > Politically "Hot" Topics > Advertising and chain letters > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com is a wide spectrum Chat List, Topics allowed are almost anything.restrictions are: Political discussion, religious prosylitizing, and aggressive behavior, any of these topics will result in restricted priveleges. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

Jeff, I didn't react as severely to homosexual assault as you did, but I did experience a similar situation over anything involving physical abuse of children. You think you have all those bugs worked out in your mind, you think you have expelled all the devils, then you see something on TV or in real life and it brings it all back to the surface. I thought I had resolved my issues over physical abuse years ago, being able to talk about it, interact with the abusers, etc. But even today I can feel the pain and break out in a panic attack watching a child abuse show on TV. I get angry, could beat someone, cry, get tense, sick to my stomach, the whole nine yards. It just brings back all the terror I lived with as a child. I will probably die still experiencing those feelings. Jack Childers in OKC

well good grief, I've heard it all now. Cows standing around in shit all days makes for poisoned hamburger meat ! I have been a butcher before and let me tell you, they don't grind up the hide, hair and horns when they make hamburger. After the slaughter process you end up with a large carcass hanging there. You hoist the carcass up on the take and carve all the available meat off of it, grind it up, add a few additives and presto you have hamburger. Surely they washed it it, didn't they, or did they just haul the shitty carcass up on the table and grind it up ? How utterly dumb. Eggs come from the chicken's butt ! Chickens eat shit. How's that for gross ? And catfish are bottom feeders, they eat fish shit. What's that guys name, the Give Me A Break man ? You want to worry about something really gross ? You ever kiss someone ? I have almost made a hobby of watching people pick their nose and eat it. I am absolutely amazed and shocked at the number of grown people I have seen picking their nose and eating it in public. They do it driving and in supermarkets. Then they go home and sweetness kisses them ! There is an expression used in prison a lot, "Don't put your Richard beaters on me", translate the name Richard into the usual nickname for it. It means I don't know where your hands have been so don't be touching me to0much. Jack Childers in OKC

"Ava Fischer" <res0f1lp@verizon.net> wrote... > Home grown better. Part of the time I lived on a ranch. My uncle's place. Grew everything we could to survive. Dad was out of work at the time and my uncle asked him to run the place while he dug wells. We had chickens (if they didn't lay eggs then they were for the stew pot), pigs, cows (milk) and beef, we also grew vegetables.< Oh, for sure!!! Home grown is definately better and definately better fed than commercially raised stuff. The best beef and pork that I have ever tasted in my life was what was raised on our farm when I was growing up. Guess I must've had some of the chickens that we had too, but they apparently didn't make as much of an impression on my tastebuds! LOL Best, SueB

You're right, it is not necessary to use cuss words to communicate the English language, as evidenced by this list. While some questionable words do creep into the conversation now and then, by and large we all know how to get our point across without cussing like a sailor about it. However, this language thing has gotten out of hand. Nowadays, everyone is an expert on everything. The saying someone on the list made one time, something to the effect, I got two more sessions of "The Operation" before I get my medical license illustrates how people become experts. Some people think they know everything when it comes to language. I have had government employees tell me they didn't have to talk to me as long as I used profane language. Oops, they just messed up on two fronts. To begin with, the word profane can only have a religious connotation, as in to profane the god head. If a government agent says they won't talk to me because I used the words G--D--- that means they are trying to impose their religious tenets on me in order for me to avail myself of that government service, and that's strictly a legal no-no. Plus, when they put those restrictions on my words they have just violated my constitutional right to freedom of speech. The Supreme Court has long ago decided that we can say all the dirty words we want, see Lenny Bruce, and for a government agency, or even a private individual, to say we can, well, it flys in the face of legal case law and our constitution. Then we come to the point where we decide what is a dirty word. I have been chastised for saying darn, cotton picken, ass, shit, poopah, falderall, etc. Mercy, I bet those same people would fall over dead if they heard me really cut loose ! Let's take the word shit. I grew up in a farm setting where the word was used quite extensively and freely by both sexes and of all ages. It was a very common thing on a farm. There are people still alive today who courted while sitting in a horse drawn buggy, said horse churning the stuff out left and right while the couple billed and cooed. Yet, there are tons of prissy people around the world who cringe and get that look on their face if they even smell the subject, let alone hear it expressed. As mentioned in a previous post to this list, Kade gets into minor trouble at school for saying words like damm, shit, ass, doodoo head, etc. My position is that she is free to use such words. They may be considered socially inappropriate, but they are not cuss words. I have done my job well in training her to know the difference between not polite words and down right offensive words. We all train our children in how to be phony and lie, and I got that down pat with Kade. In fact, I gave Kade and some of her friends this weekend a lesson in how to be socially fake and acceptable. Now take the infamous F--- word. It is merely an acronym meaning Fornicating Under Carnal Knowledge , pure and simple. I must admit that I sometimes get caught unawares when some people use the word, but I seldom fall over in a faint because of it. As someone was trying to point out, I think, go to Texas and sit on a park bench to hear the best language you ever want to hear. I don't think the use of cuss words denotes ignorance. I am not ignorant and I bet I know all the cuss words, and have probably used them all at one time or another. And I certainly don't use them to gain attention. I can get attention just walking down the street. And quite frankly, I don't desire any attention, just really want people to leave me the h--- alone. If my language, or ideas, or thoughts offend, just ignore me. Jack Childers in OKC

My daughter, a new teacher, is entitled to her opinions too.....Elmo..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Rich Halpany <capehorn@netsync.net> To: Elmo <elmo@netsync.net> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > the man that took the school to court etc. becuase they were after him for > the bad language of his child, that's great if the parents are willing to > take the responsibility and are aware that it starts at home. But usually it > isn't that way so the schools have to do something. > > As far as the person saying that school's are turning out clones, man is > that person's head in the sand. As a teacher nowadays you learn to > accommodate the individuality. That sure makes a lot of work and it isn't > easy when there isn't much time and with all the other students there are > that have the right to the same amount of attention and etc. etc. etc. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elmo" <elmo@netsync.net> > To: "Jen" <jlynnt123@hotmail.com> > Cc: "Henry" <towneh@hotmail.com>; "Clarence Town" <towncr@yahoo.com>; "Jim > Paz." <stargazer@a-znet.com>; "ompahj" <ompahj@netsync.net>; "Chuck M." > <millerchrl@aol.com>; "mike@home" <miket@erie.net>; "Ken Town" > <hero15k@hotmail.com>; "George Miller" <gmiller2@sc.rr.com>; "Lyn Dee&Bob" > <feather@columbus.rr.com>; "Jack" <ckg1@localnet.com>; "Hulett, Bek&Jer." > <chevyhill@hotmail.com>; "Kathy" <capehorn@netsync.net> > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 8:06 AM > Subject: Fw: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > > > > HERE ARE SOME INTERESTING VIEWS.....e t..... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Doris <ginlu@charter.net> > > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 7:59 AM > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > > > > > > > My grandma always told me that 'bad' language was "an indication of > one's > > > dire lack of vocabulary"..... > > > I suppose she made a point with me, as I have always been able to tell a > > > person off without ever using a single "blue" word. > > > > > > Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... > > > Still shaking the family tree and > > > dodging the nuts after 30+ years! > > > IBSSG > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "mrscott" <mrscott@cambridgeoh.com> > > > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 11:47 PM > > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > > > > > > > > > I 've never had any problems with our son and now his daughter whom we > > help > > > with using "bad" langauge. If it isn't used around them they won't use > it > > > when small. Sometimes he will once in a while now but not in our home. > It > > > isn't necessaary to use bad/vulger words and terms so why do it. Many of > > us > > > have always believed it was a sign of a person who needed attention but > > > didn't get it when they should have. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Sue & Bobby Bates <bsbates@netease.net> > > > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 10:31 PM > > > Subject: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Norma" <norma@normasplace.com> > > > > To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:42 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jack,I fought the entire school system here in Portland, OR. and at > > > > one time > > > > > I even took out all my bills problems with the children and dirty > > > > laundry > > > > > and a son who they were trying to tell me was a Homo and laid it all > > > > on the > > > > > judges desk. He said what is this? Simply put I told him when they > > > > were > > > > > prepared to take on the rest of the responsibility that was mine I > > > > would bow > > > > > out. They sued me for contempt but the psychiatrist they sent me to > > > > said I > > > > > was 100 years ahead of my time and they finally let me go. > > > > > The kids and I still laugh about it/ As for naughty words. They do > > > > need to > > > > > let you deal with it. Keep their mouths shut and do the teaching of > > > > the > > > > > ABC's I better quit. I learned all this having a blacksheep for a > > > > father. > > > > > He is why I got the initials. Tell you one thing I learned a lot > > > > when he was > > > > > not in jail. Later Norma IBSSG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message ----- > > > > > From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> > > > > > To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 2:31 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Norma, as I understand it, public school systems were founded, and > > > > funded, > > > > > by industry barons who wanted a more educated peon to work in their > > > > > factories. The whole program was geared to prepare the child to go > > > > to work > > > > > in a factory, take orders, do the thing the establishment wanted. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen very little since then to make me think things have > > > > changed > > > > > much. Yes, they want little clones who will fall right in with the > > > > party > > > > > line. Schools do not encourage original thinking, and that is sad, > > > > because > > > > > as far as I am concerned that is what schools should do. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jack Childers in OKC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > > > > > > ~~~~ > > > > > > > > > > > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are > > > > copyrighted by > > > > > each individual submitter. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Following topics are inappropriate on > > > > Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com: > > > > > > Political discussion/ views > > > > > > Religious and inspirational postings, > > > > > > Politically "Hot" Topics > > > > > > Advertising and chain letters > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > records, > > > > > go to: > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are > > > > copyrighted by each individual submitter. > > > > > TENDER LAMB CORNER: If your Blacksheep is still living, or public > > > > posting may cause trouble, send the information to our TLC > > > > Coordinator, Sue Bates; BSBates@netease.net, Confidentiality > > > > maintained. > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > records, go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > > > > > > > > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > > > scribe > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > > Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com is a wide spectrum Chat List, Topics > > allowed > > > are almost anything.restrictions are: > > > Political discussion, religious prosylitizing, and aggressive behavior, > > any > > > of these topics will result in restricted priveleges. > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go > > > to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > > > > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > > scribe > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > >

Actually, the public schools are the only thing that ever got children OR adults out of the sweatshop factory jobs. I'm not a proponent of public schools--I went to private schools all my life---but due to the lack of private schools in our areas, my 5 children went to public schools. I stayed right on top of every situation and I was generally pleased with the outcome---of course, they did know I wouldn't turn loose when I had a complaint. <g> The public school systems in CA & TX are still considered at the top of the list of good school systems (academically) in the US...and I believe we should only expect them to teach academics---I taught mine morals and gave them other directions suitable for existing in civilization....I do think the schools need to stick to that! Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue & Bobby Bates" <bsbates@netease.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 10:30 PM Subject: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > Norma, as I understand it, public school systems were founded, and funded, by industry barons who wanted a more educated peon to work in their factories. The whole program was geared to prepare the child to go to work in a factory, take orders, do the thing the establishment wanted. > > I have seen very little since then to make me think things have changed much. Yes, they want little clones who will fall right in with the party line. Schools do not encourage original thinking, and that is sad, because as far as I am concerned that is what schools should do. > > Jack Childers in OKC > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > ~~~~ > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > > The Following topics are inappropriate on Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com: > Political discussion/ views > Religious and inspirational postings, > Politically "Hot" Topics > Advertising and chain letters > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com is a wide spectrum Chat List, Topics allowed are almost anything.restrictions are: Political discussion, religious prosylitizing, and aggressive behavior, any of these topics will result in restricted priveleges. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

My grandma always told me that 'bad' language was "an indication of one's dire lack of vocabulary"..... I suppose she made a point with me, as I have always been able to tell a person off without ever using a single "blue" word. Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "mrscott" <mrscott@cambridgeoh.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! I 've never had any problems with our son and now his daughter whom we help with using "bad" langauge. If it isn't used around them they won't use it when small. Sometimes he will once in a while now but not in our home. It isn't necessaary to use bad/vulger words and terms so why do it. Many of us have always believed it was a sign of a person who needed attention but didn't get it when they should have. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue & Bobby Bates <bsbates@netease.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 10:31 PM Subject: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norma" <norma@normasplace.com> > To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:42 AM > Subject: Re: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > > > > Jack,I fought the entire school system here in Portland, OR. and at > one time > > I even took out all my bills problems with the children and dirty > laundry > > and a son who they were trying to tell me was a Homo and laid it all > on the > > judges desk. He said what is this? Simply put I told him when they > were > > prepared to take on the rest of the responsibility that was mine I > would bow > > out. They sued me for contempt but the psychiatrist they sent me to > said I > > was 100 years ahead of my time and they finally let me go. > > The kids and I still laugh about it/ As for naughty words. They do > need to > > let you deal with it. Keep their mouths shut and do the teaching of > the > > ABC's I better quit. I learned all this having a blacksheep for a > father. > > He is why I got the initials. Tell you one thing I learned a lot > when he was > > not in jail. Later Norma IBSSG > > > > > > Message ----- > > From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> > > To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 2:31 PM > > Subject: Re: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > > > > > > > Norma, as I understand it, public school systems were founded, and > funded, > > by industry barons who wanted a more educated peon to work in their > > factories. The whole program was geared to prepare the child to go > to work > > in a factory, take orders, do the thing the establishment wanted. > > > > > > I have seen very little since then to make me think things have > changed > > much. Yes, they want little clones who will fall right in with the > party > > line. Schools do not encourage original thinking, and that is sad, > because > > as far as I am concerned that is what schools should do. > > > > > > Jack Childers in OKC > > > > > > > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > > > ~~~~ > > > > > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are > copyrighted by > > each individual submitter. > > > > > > The Following topics are inappropriate on > Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com: > > > Political discussion/ views > > > Religious and inspirational postings, > > > Politically "Hot" Topics > > > Advertising and chain letters > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > > --- > > > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are > copyrighted by each individual submitter. > > TENDER LAMB CORNER: If your Blacksheep is still living, or public > posting may cause trouble, send the information to our TLC > Coordinator, Sue Bates; BSBates@netease.net, Confidentiality > maintained. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com is a wide spectrum Chat List, Topics allowed are almost anything.restrictions are: Political discussion, religious prosylitizing, and aggressive behavior, any of these topics will result in restricted priveleges. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Doris, my mother must have been your grandmother...She always pointed out that the overuse of one or two 'blue' words really indicated that one had a serious lack of imaginative vocabulary. EdrieAnne IBSSG

In a message dated 5/11/02 7:14:58 AM Mountain Daylight Time, grinch42@mindspring.com writes: > If you have the documentation Mike, in some cases they are never reported. Sometimes it doesn't come out until the abused child is an adult and then they are called a liar. This happened to me and enough of my female cousins that we started a watchdog group to keep this guy away from the female children. We all felt bad that we couldn't protect his daughters. Now my Mom knows about it, it was her brother, and this solved her question of why we all kept away from him or never allowed him to be alone with the female children. I don't know if she has mentioned it to her siblings, or if they believe her if she did. Long and short. This happened, it is a fact. I didn't dream it, my cousins didn't dream it. That is the only documentation of his actions that exists. Much of this happened well over 35 years ago and nothing would be done even if it were reported now. Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member Bo-Peep Award Ogden, Utah, USA "God sent his Singers upon the Earth, With songs of Gladness and Mirth. That they might touch the hearts of men, And bring them to Heaven again." --Longfellow

I spent most of my time in NKP, and a about 3-5 days at each Utapao, Korat, and Udorn. MOST of that time was WORKING 14 hour days so my "free time was mostly sleep." I was in there just about 6 months after the official "end" of hostilities and we were sent in to "close" the bases, which was a Burn, chop and Blow-up process. Anything that couldn't be readily flown away was destroyed on site. There was still the threat from Laos and Cambodia (Khamir Rouge) "getting" the bases, and the Thais were a tad bit "unstable," the Mayaguez incident was not that long before. (May 1975) I really would have enjoyed a night or two in Downtown Bangkok, but it was "too dangerous" and we really had as you say, a "lock down" in progress. I wish I had had the time to "tour" the country, but I wasn't there long enough. (about 30 days total) Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

In a message dated 5/11/2002 9:06:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > My kids used to think I was joking, I think, but the last thing I'd say when > > I left the house is "Don't drink the bleach and don't let anyone steal > you!" > It's weak, but that really is all you can do--other than keep them close > to home and away from pervert-magnets like parks with playgrounds. > > Jan g. > My paranoia is from personal experience. When I was a second grader, ( age 7) an older "friend" of my older brother ( turns out he didn't know my brother) walked me home from school, about 6 long blocks. About 100 yards from the house where I lived were some abandoned sheds (Chicken Coops) and he convinced me that we should "explore them". When he got me out of public site, he sodomized me. This teenager then proceeded with the "if you tell, I will kill your little brothers" speech, and tried to convince me to "meet" him for more. I was able to get away from him and went home and TOLD my mother, and the Police looked for him and didn't find him. I was terrorized for years ( until we moved out of the area) that he would come back and carry out his threats. The whole time that the assault was going on, he was trying to convince me that homosexuality was the way to be. NOW, I am a very cautious father, and STILL can react violently to Homosexual advances. (There were two unrelated later assaults. that renforced this reaction, one another "friend" of my older brother, and nieghbor, his threats ( I had heard them before) were REAL, and he was known to have really damaged some people in the past, I didn't report that one for years after it happened and he was in Prison. This one happened when I was 13.) These affected me to the point where I would NOT use the "group" showers in the highschool locker room, and got into trouble for "being unclean", That forced me to discuss the issue, and when the information came out, I WAS in real trouble for not reporting it, the school principal backed me up however and told my parents of all the assaults the person concerned had done, and THAT person was in my Gym Class. (It was shortly after this he went to prison, as an adult, for ADW and Murder.) So I guess my "developed" homophobia was a natural reaction. I finally adjusted to social contact when I explained my "caution" to a girl friend years later, she arranged for several of her gay friends to come over and help me talk it out, and it did "help" a lot. At least it wasn't "kill on site" anymore, although I still have social discomfort. (About 12 years ago, a girlfriend took me into the Sexual apparel shops in Hollywood, and I had a panic attack, so I knew at that point I was still not easy in the intense environment. I had a Fight or Flight reaction.) It does help to "talk" about the bad experiences, and "get it out" into the light, where it can be seen and dealt with. But the effects can be long lasting, and Buried deeply. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

Aleta, Why would nothing be done? Is the guy still alive? Jan G. << That is the only documentation of his actions that exists. Much of this happened well over 35 years ago and nothing would be done even if it were reported now. Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member Bo-Peep Award>> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

In a message dated 5/11/2002 8:57:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mrscott@cambridgeoh.com writes: > Many of us have always believed it was a sign of a person who needed > attention but didn't get it when they should have. > Or when They demanded it, positive or negative. Sometimes a child's "need" to be attended is superceeded by other events, and the child will tantrum, resulting in a behavior like this. It isn't always a lack of proper parental attention, but often a "controlling" act of behavior designed to force attention. The resulting attention should apply to the situation, and discoiurage further acts of "attention getting", only because the future "attention getting" will be MORE serious with each event. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

In a message dated 5/11/2002 1:23:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, etfoam@inreach.com writes: > > > Friend and I worked out a system for emergencies. Our children were not to > go with anyone besides their parents that didn't know the password. The > password was Mermaid for friend's daughter (she's 18 now so I don't think > it's important any more). Grandparents and parents and one local friend > had > the password. We even tested the kids a couple of times. They passed. In > any given emergency we thought that should cover most situations. I know > I > had to use the password when I picked up friend's daughter from 1st grade > when younger sibling had to go to emergency room. It worked. > > EdrieAnne IBSSG > Excellent Idea. I think I will implement it. ( I will also inform the School of this) Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

In a message dated 5/11/2002 2:36:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, stickneys@alltel.net writes: > I might finnaly be able to get DSL.... > > Our Satelite company put up a tower in the town closest to me. 7 miles down > the road. > They are comming out to do a survey to see if i can get it.... > > cross your fingers for me.. > > (o o) > ------------oOOo-(_)-oOOo------------ > Mary Stickney (IBSSG)- "Don't breed or buy , while those in rescue die." > Who was my Father: http://www.alltel.net/~ms81250/ > www.puppymillrescue.com , www.nopuppymills.com, > http://www.crar.org/crar/Adoptables.htm > www.ratbonerescues.com , www.chihuahuarescue.com , www.bostonrescue.net > Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

janC, you are so very right in your comments, the "average" Brit was of no consequence, and researching here is not at all like it is in the US, At the risk of driving you all nuts, as this is a LONG email (print it ofr reference)for the benefit of any of you who are about to embark on a search over here, basically here is how "we" go about things: Civil registrations began in 1834 (yes 1834!) so Births marriages and deaths from 1834 are searchable at either LDS libraries or local and county Libraries, sounds good, except that this is only the INDEX! Called the "St Catherines House Index", the actual copies of the BMD Certificates are held at St Catherines House (no suprise there) which you would presume to be in London, however when requesting a copy of a certificate (you can request one from anywhere in the world) the address is in Southport (near Liverpool) the index is indexed by 1/4 year and then alphabetical, the reference number is the volume (county) and the page the entry appears on, If, as in my case I looked up a marriage this week that took place in Walsall, where I live, if I then went to the registry offce in Walsall the reference number would be totally useless as its only the St catherines index, and the registry staff have to trawl through the 1/4 year to find the certificate! (Loal registrars are just getting computerised and thatas not all of them) if you only have one party of the marraige and you find that name in the year of the marriage and find that there are several folk of that name ie John Smith, then the only way to know which John smith is yours is to order every certificate. having both parties names is almost essential! thats forename and surname to be of any use! Some of the listers might have tried Free bmd, which is work in Progress of putting the St catherines hous index onto the internet it is fully searchable, and is a brilliant tool for us here as well as overseas researchers, an internet search is a lot easier than a fiche search! for births marriage or deaths prior to 1834, its parish registers, not all chuches have given theirs over for transcription either! some are just on Microfiche, others are in printed Books also, the PR's are usually kept in the local History library for the county, or if you are lucky additional copies are held in local town history libraries also (and LDS Librairies) If you are in one county and need to know about a birth in another county you have to travel there to see the PR's! Alternatively you join a rootsweb list for the area and plead for a look up next time someone is going to the library! PR's are not always complete, some were destroyed in the Wars, many are transcribed onto the IGI, and much as we complain at the errors on the IGI the PR info is there if the PR has been transcribed or is actually available. The PR's date back to around late 1500's in a lot of cases, but not many. Censuses are a major part of research here, the first ones being taken around 1801, no useful information, just the address and how many people lived there. in 1841, (our censuses are every 10 years on the "01") things got better, address, names ages and professions of the households, and a yes or no to being born in the county or not, by 1851 the place of birth was now listed. whereas you have the 1930 census available to you, we have just, 02 01 2002, gotten the 1901 census available here, and each local history library has its own area census, the whole of the country was supposed to be searchable on line, but had so any hits in the first day it has not been operational since, subsequently, I can look for my ancestors who lived in my own town at my local library but if I want to see another town I have to go to the library that covers that town! Again rootsweb local lsits help here for look ups on censuses. Wills, etc if the family were in a position to have left a will, there might still be a copy of it held in the county library, there are also some land deeds, and other obscure documents available, but they only cover a few people, not the whole population. some of these documents are searchable online at the PRO (public records office) offical website. emigrating families, thats a joke in itself, whilst in the US you may have the ships maifests, and many are transcribed on the internet, there are no passenger lists for departures from here that were retained, the manifests appear to have travelled with the ship until the 1900's at least! hence my asking if Nebuchadnezzer appeared in the US as I have way of knowing if he Left England! we do have 1 census fully on CD, 1881, so this is the starting point for many of us, we can generally work back to here from family knowledge, but if we can't get back to here we have to start with the BMD's and slowly work backwards. there is a CD for 1851 but it only covers 3 counties, so is only useful if your ancestors were in one of those counties. we also have the BVRI British Vital Records Index, basically a companion to the IGI, also on CD. Local branches of History societies have often transcribed PR's and produce their own Cd's and these are very useful if you know about them. there are many history books, and town history books, but nothing to cover the whole population, basically things are a bit vague, sketchy or downright impossible ot research. As this is allready a LONG email, I won't go into the odds and bods, if anyone has a specific question, I will try my very best to answer it. Royalty, and the "upper crust" are very well documented, but there is so much rubbish attched to them its silly, for instance, My surname is BENTON, there is a town called Benton in Northumberland, there are no Bentons living there, but the "documentation" associated with the "family scroll" says that we are all from there, and the clans of scotland and there is Sir Simon Benton who went to Canada and virually colonised it single handedly, what a load of rubbish, and as for Castles, there are a few castles here, but trust me, not all americans are descended from the folk who built them! So nect time you get frustrated ver a brick wall, think of us Brits whose walls are thicker than the castles LOL thanks all for reading, hope it helps someone. Oh, Taxation here is a good one, before the censuses or 1801, we had "hearth Taxes" (hearth being a fireplace) which explains why so many Brits had a a scorched circle in the one room they lived in, no hearth no hearth tax! 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Son Steve leaves in the morning for a week vacation in Moab, Utah....camping out, hiking, mountain climbing, river-rafting down the Colorada River in Grand Canyon. He called tonight...said "Happy Mothers Day...I love you." Jan C.

I 've never had any problems with our son and now his daughter whom we help with using "bad" langauge. If it isn't used around them they won't use it when small. Sometimes he will once in a while now but not in our home. It isn't necessaary to use bad/vulger words and terms so why do it. Many of us have always believed it was a sign of a person who needed attention but didn't get it when they should have. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue & Bobby Bates <bsbates@netease.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 10:31 PM Subject: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norma" <norma@normasplace.com> > To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:42 AM > Subject: Re: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > > > > Jack,I fought the entire school system here in Portland, OR. and at > one time > > I even took out all my bills problems with the children and dirty > laundry > > and a son who they were trying to tell me was a Homo and laid it all > on the > > judges desk. He said what is this? Simply put I told him when they > were > > prepared to take on the rest of the responsibility that was mine I > would bow > > out. They sued me for contempt but the psychiatrist they sent me to > said I > > was 100 years ahead of my time and they finally let me go. > > The kids and I still laugh about it/ As for naughty words. They do > need to > > let you deal with it. Keep their mouths shut and do the teaching of > the > > ABC's I better quit. I learned all this having a blacksheep for a > father. > > He is why I got the initials. Tell you one thing I learned a lot > when he was > > not in jail. Later Norma IBSSG > > > > > > Message ----- > > From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> > > To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 2:31 PM > > Subject: Re: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > > > > > > > Norma, as I understand it, public school systems were founded, and > funded, > > by industry barons who wanted a more educated peon to work in their > > factories. The whole program was geared to prepare the child to go > to work > > in a factory, take orders, do the thing the establishment wanted. > > > > > > I have seen very little since then to make me think things have > changed > > much. Yes, they want little clones who will fall right in with the > party > > line. Schools do not encourage original thinking, and that is sad, > because > > as far as I am concerned that is what schools should do. > > > > > > Jack Childers in OKC > > > > > > > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > > > ~~~~ > > > > > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are > copyrighted by > > each individual submitter. > > > > > > The Following topics are inappropriate on > Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com: > > > Political discussion/ views > > > Religious and inspirational postings, > > > Politically "Hot" Topics > > > Advertising and chain letters > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > > --- > > > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are > copyrighted by each individual submitter. > > TENDER LAMB CORNER: If your Blacksheep is still living, or public > posting may cause trouble, send the information to our TLC > Coordinator, Sue Bates; BSBates@netease.net, Confidentiality > maintained. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

OK the Potty mouth and child education topics are officially moving to chat. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)