Jack, My granddaughter was a senior in high school in south LA--in the public school---in honors class.... at one point near the end of her senior year, the teacher was discussing (in class) the theory of evolution---but stated it as absolute! Well, my Caty told her that it wasn't a fact--not necessarily absolutely true or false--but was a theory that might be partial truth, all truth, or no truth at all..... so the teacher asked her if she was a "creationist". Caty answered that she thought it made some sense to her that if one would refer to the "days" in the Genesis story as "era", she could easily combine both the creation story and the evolution theory--the teacher said the creation theory was just "theory"...so Caty answered that so was evolution, and that after all, they might be compatible, and it just seemed to her that either theory would need a beginning. So the teacher became furious and kicked her out of class, saying she was discussing religion and God---which wasn't allowed!! Caty pranced to the principal's office and called me, and we had a go-round about theories and facts....Caty refused to back down, and she lost that credit...nearly lost her honor status...but was willing to do that in order to "make a point".....she graduated with honors, as she was accepted into another class and aced it ... Maybe that's why they don't want any abstract thinkers in schools.....? LOL Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 8:02 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! I problem I see with my school here is that they don't teach them to think. If you ask a high school senior a certain question, like, for instance, what's the rotation of a hurricane south of the equator, he will probably be able to tell you IF they have covered that particular thing in school. But ask them a hypothetical question, one that requires deductive thinking, they don't know the answer. It seems to be learning by rote, and if a subject wasn't taught in the rote they don't know it. I use to think the purpose of any school was to make you think so you could go on and discover even more knowledge . I think I become disenchanted with universities when I discovered that they were not places of learning anything more than what the party platform wanted you to learn. For instance, there is a university right close to my house, the Oklahoma City University. It is expanding in size and seems to enjoy a good reputation, but it is a Methodist university. If you don't believe the Methodist party line then you are an outsider, a trouble maker. The instructors will out and out turn you into a pariah if you express ideas that flow contrary to what they believe in as Methodists. That is not the purpose of a university, in my opinion. I can't imagine a Catholic or an atheists going there. I was thrown out of a school for daring to question the rotation of a hurricane south of the equator. I was right and the teacher was wrong, but I dared to question the powers that be, and they just couldn't abide that idea. Jack Childers in OKC ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 5/7/2002

Forgot to mention it but breakup was at 9:27AST on May 7th. I missed it by 2 days. Must be because I forgot that we had a dry winter and water is what really causes it to breakup. Six people will share the 300+ thousand. If we hadn't of had a record wet Apr., it would probably would still be locked in ice. It was a beautiful day today 18+ hours of possible sunshine which it is still shining at 9:18PM and won't set till for another hour an a half, and the sky won't turn dark till late August. Jeff didn't you guess May sixth. -- Wild Bill, North Pole, Alaska Life is what happens to you while you're making other plans.

You didn't have a very fun job to do while there...~~ Yah, the Khamir Rouge started getting nasty right after we left. We drove over & looked at the ruins. I was out 2-3 nights a week down-town, (well, I lived down-town, on a small Soi (street), right off Sukumvit, one of the main streets through Bangkok)...anyway, we went out a lot to eat, see movies, go to clubs, parties, etc. I played a LOT of golf...I loved living there. Wish you could have spent some time sight seeing...fascinating country. Would have been fun if we'd known each other back then, & you could have gotten an R&R. I would have put you in my chauffered driven Mercedes & shown-ya-the-sights! We entertained a LOT of IBM men, on R&R from Vietnam, and other countries. I always had to take everyone on the Floating Market Tour, and shopping. Got kind tired of being Ms. IBM tour guide....:) Jan C. -----Original Message----- From: ScismGenie@aol.com <ScismGenie@aol.com> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, May 12, 2002 12:07 AM Subject: [BSChat] Thailand >I spent most of my time in NKP, and a about 3-5 days at each Utapao, >Korat, and Udorn. MOST of that time was WORKING 14 hour days so my "free time >was mostly sleep." I was in there just about 6 months after the official >"end" of hostilities and we were sent in to "close" the bases, which was >a Burn, chop and Blow-up process. > >Anything that couldn't be readily flown away was destroyed on site. There >was still the threat from Laos and Cambodia (Khamir Rouge) "getting" the >bases, and the Thais were a tad bit "unstable," the Mayaguez incident was >not that long before. (May 1975) > >I really would have enjoyed a night or two in Downtown Bangkok, but it was >"too dangerous" and we really had as you say, a "lock down" in progress. >I wish I had had the time to "tour" the country, but I wasn't there long >enough. (about 30 days total) > > >Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) >~~ >Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site >Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site >manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: >B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n >d i c o t t, > S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. >Nv.) > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Unsubscribe from the list: >Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsu bscribe > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I know...it's the *pitts*....but then, he'll be sleeping in the back of his pickup, and I'm not keen about roughing it. Hope your Mom's day was a good one! I took mine to lunch. Jan C. -----Original Message----- From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, May 11, 2002 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Vacation > > >I don't think I could have kept from saying "Steve--what time are we >leaving? I'll get packed right away!" lol > >jan G. > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> >Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com >To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [BSChat] Re: Vacation >Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 23:48:06 -0600 > >Son Steve leaves in the morning for a week vacation in Moab, Utah....camping >out, hiking, mountain climbing, river-rafting down the Colorada River in >Grand Canyon. > >He called tonight...said "Happy Mothers Day...I love you." > >Jan C. > > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Unsubscribe from the list: >Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsu bscribe > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go >to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com is a wide spectrum Chat List, Topics allowed are almost anything.restrictions are: >Political discussion, religious prosylitizing, and aggressive behavior, any of these topics will result in restricted priveleges. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

One of Kade's earlier teachers has her name out on the billboard in front of the school. It says, "Congratulations Hazel Gentry for 36 years of teaching". My great cats, 36 years of teaching !!!!!?????!!!!! One would think she would be a lunatic by now, but I know her and she is a real good teacher and a real sweetheart to boot. Congratulations I'd say ! Jack Childers in OKC

I heartily agree with Jan. I have an inlaw relative who graduated from a Los Angeles high school and cannot read or write with any fluency. This is a man in his 40's. Why did they let him through without corrective action? I never cease to be amazed!.....E T..... ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 2:00 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > > > If the CA schools are at the top, then we're in trouble! I'm amazed at what > my kids graduated from high school NOT knowing. I learned a lot more when I > was in school. I think the tests have been dumbed-down a LOT. > > Jan G. > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Doris" <ginlu@charter.net> > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Fw: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 08:16:19 -0400 > > Actually, the public schools are the only thing that ever got children OR > adults out of the sweatshop factory jobs. > I'm not a proponent of public schools--I went to private schools all my > life---but due to the lack of private schools in our areas, my 5 children > went to public schools. I stayed right on top of every situation and I was > generally pleased with the outcome---of course, they did know I wouldn't > turn loose when I had a complaint. <g> > The public school systems in CA & TX are still considered at the top of the > list of good school systems (academically) in the US...and I believe we > should only expect them to teach academics---I taught mine morals and gave > them other directions suitable for existing in civilization....I do think > the schools need to stick to that! > > Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... > Still shaking the family tree and > dodging the nuts after 30+ years! > IBSSG > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue & Bobby Bates" <bsbates@netease.net> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 10:30 PM > Subject: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> > To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > > > > Norma, as I understand it, public school systems were founded, and > funded, by industry barons who wanted a more educated peon to work in > their factories. The whole program was geared to prepare the child to > go to work in a factory, take orders, do the thing the establishment > wanted. > > > > I have seen very little since then to make me think things have > changed much. Yes, they want little clones who will fall right in > with the party line. Schools do not encourage original thinking, and > that is sad, because as far as I am concerned that is what schools > should do. > > > > Jack Childers in OKC > > > > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > > ~~~~ > > > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are > copyrighted by each individual submitter. > > > > The Following topics are inappropriate on Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com: > > Political discussion/ views > > Religious and inspirational postings, > > Politically "Hot" Topics > > Advertising and chain letters > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com is a wide spectrum Chat List, Topics allowed > are almost anything.restrictions are: > Political discussion, religious prosylitizing, and aggressive behavior, any > of these topics will result in restricted priveleges. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

How about Emeril Logassi and his air-head phrases? NOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA-----for example. His program is so obviously staged. I can't believe people would laugh at some action as mundane as dropping the lard into the pie crust flour to be mixed. And of course it is delivered at about 130 decibels. The audience is just a'swooning and a'swaying in minor histeria. Grow up folks! .....E T..... ----- Original Message ----- From: bobert <bobert@i-1.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 2:57 PM Subject: [BSChat] LIMITED VOCABULARY > Hi, Sheepers. Cuss words show a definite lack of vocabulary as well as > no original thoughts to go with whatever little people do know. A pet > peeve of mine is the person who continually says, "You know what I > mean", and "you hear what I'm saying". I can't know and I can't hear > cause the person has said absolutely nothing. Remember Judge Wapner? > On one of his court TV broadcasts, a witness told the judge, "you know > what I mean" - without a second's pause, the judge said, "No, that's > what I want you to tell me, "what do you mean". The witness was > stunned! > > I knew a gal that had - probably still has - a cesspool mouth. I doubt > she even knew what she was saying was so ugly - it was her routine way > of speaking - she was used to it. > Have a great day! Shirley: bobert@i-1.net > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I problem I see with my school here is that they don't teach them to think. If you ask a high school senior a certain question, like, for instance, what's the rotation of a hurricane south of the equator, he will probably be able to tell you IF they have covered that particular thing in school. But ask them a hypothetical question, one that requires deductive thinking, they don't know the answer. It seems to be learning by rote, and if a subject wasn't taught in the rote they don't know it. I use to think the purpose of any school was to make you think so you could go on and discover even more knowledge . I think I become disenchanted with universities when I discovered that they were not places of learning anything more than what the party platform wanted you to learn. For instance, there is a university right close to my house, the Oklahoma City University. It is expanding in size and seems to enjoy a good reputation, but it is a Methodist university. If you don't believe the Methodist party line then you are an outsider, a trouble maker. The instructors will out and out turn you into a pariah if you express ideas that flow contrary to what they believe in as Methodists. That is not the purpose of a university, in my opinion. I can't imagine a Catholic or an atheists going there. I was thrown out of a school for daring to question the rotation of a hurricane south of the equator. I was right and the teacher was wrong, but I dared to question the powers that be, and they just couldn't abide that idea. Jack Childers in OKC

It seems that there is some sort of money-instigated game going on and our kids are losing. If I'm seeing this wrong, please let me know. In spite of the truly dedicated teachers out there, and I know there are some, it still comes down to how much they earn in order to get quality teachers as well as encouraging the next generation of teachers. CA public school teachers are members of a union. That being the case, it seems that a large part of the reason for the union is to help keep those pay raises coming in. To justify the pay raises they have to prove that the kids are learning something in school. The measuring stick for this is the national tests. If you want to make the kids look good on the tests, what do you do? Make them easier. There are some problems specific to CA that can keep the students' test performance down. We have many immigrant students not proficient in written English. There are group which do not put as high a priority on education. But, that could be said of a lot of places, too. In any event, I'm sure that when the test scores come in low, there's going to be an excuse. And it will be someone else's problem besides the teachers'. I also think that teaching is a burn-out job. I don't know how any of them do it for more than 15 years without a nervous breakdown. And I can understand how burn out affects the teachers' performance. But we still need kids that are as educated as the kids in Japan and Germany if, as a nation, we're to compete in the business, science and technology fields of the future. So, something needs to change. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Doris" <ginlu@charter.net> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Fw: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 14:22:35 -0400 You're correct in that, but imagine how shocked you'd be if you were in another area.....<g> Anyway, that's an average, so the good and bad are lumped together....seems the states' standards are higher than in other states..... Of course, the "advanced-thinking" attitude of no grades is destroying the CA schools fast, and I think there's lots of other stuff ailing it too..... Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> If the CA schools are at the top, then we're in trouble! I'm amazed at what my kids graduated from high school NOT knowing. I learned a lot more when I was in school. I think the tests have been dumbed-down a LOT. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Doris" <ginlu@charter.net> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Fw: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 08:16:19 -0400 Actually, the public schools are the only thing that ever got children OR adults out of the sweatshop factory jobs. I'm not a proponent of public schools--I went to private schools all my life---but due to the lack of private schools in our areas, my 5 children went to public schools. I stayed right on top of every situation and I was generally pleased with the outcome---of course, they did know I wouldn't turn loose when I had a complaint. <g> The public school systems in CA & TX are still considered at the top of the list of good school systems (academically) in the US...and I believe we should only expect them to teach academics---I taught mine morals and gave them other directions suitable for existing in civilization....I do think the schools need to stick to that! Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue & Bobby Bates" <bsbates@netease.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 10:30 PM Subject: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > Norma, as I understand it, public school systems were founded, and funded, by industry barons who wanted a more educated peon to work in their factories. The whole program was geared to prepare the child to go to work in a factory, take orders, do the thing the establishment wanted. > > I have seen very little since then to make me think things have changed much. Yes, they want little clones who will fall right in with the party line. 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When a butcher makes hamburger he usually only grinds up the lean part of the bull at first. Then he adds varying amounts of suet to satisfy the customers. Some people like a lot of fat, others like a lot of lean. Fat is real tasty, that's why greasy foods are so popular. At the supermarket you see ground beef listed as 95% fat free, 75% fat free, extra lean, etc. That comes from the amount of suet they add to the basically lean beef they have to begin with. The only other thing we ever added was red dye. Natural meat color, after it sits awhile, is grayish purple, not attractive, so they dye most meat to satisfy the customer. By the way, they also add water to most meat to make it weigh more. They say it helps keep the meat fresh, but that's just a lot of bs. Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com

When in prison one of the things I took was butchering. I had some funny feelings about bashing some cow's brains in and cutting it up in pieces, but I soon got over it. We would get live cattle in there early in the morning, kill them, hang then up to drain. We always cut some steaks right away and cooked them for our lunch. There is nothing better tasting in the world, to me, than steak so fresh that it mooed that morning. If you've never eaten it that way there is no way to explain the taste. Its nothing like the meat you buy in a store. Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com

From: "jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> wrote..... Sue - We each go our merry little way, and eat what we want to.< Huh??? Ok... last time and listen carefully: Jan, we were *NEVER* in disagreement about our eating habits. Honestly, I don't know how you even came up with that one. :-( Now, let's give it a rest. SueB

Taking this to Chat, pleez.... thx! SB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad & Gina Finch" <gfinch@scicable.net> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > Jack, > I agree with you.From what i've seen in the last 20yrs the schools aren't > teaching much history or geography either.. Alot of kids couldn't tell you > where Mexico is on a map. I"m ashamed of what has happened in our schools. > With a few exceptions we're raising idiots. > > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > --- > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > > Visit the Black Sheep Home page, http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/ > BEST OF THE WEB-Bronze Award for 1998, > Gail's Genealogy Wonderland SITE of the YEAR (1998) > Proudly Hosted by Rootsweb, and a supporter of Rootsweb through "good will" and funds. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

In a message dated 5/12/2002 11:01:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > > If the CA schools are at the top, then we're in trouble! I'm amazed at what > > my kids graduated from high school NOT knowing. I learned a lot more when I > > was in school. I think the tests have been dumbed-down a LOT. > The california school are LOWEST in math and science and 47th in english comprehension. Not exactly a STERLING performance. However we also have (as of last week's announcement) the WORST air to breath in the country. So I think I will Blame the poor performance on bad air, before someone else beats me to it!! Jeff Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

You're correct in that, but imagine how shocked you'd be if you were in another area.....<g> Anyway, that's an average, so the good and bad are lumped together....seems the states' standards are higher than in other states..... Of course, the "advanced-thinking" attitude of no grades is destroying the CA schools fast, and I think there's lots of other stuff ailing it too..... Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> If the CA schools are at the top, then we're in trouble! I'm amazed at what my kids graduated from high school NOT knowing. I learned a lot more when I was in school. I think the tests have been dumbed-down a LOT. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Doris" <ginlu@charter.net> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Fw: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 08:16:19 -0400 Actually, the public schools are the only thing that ever got children OR adults out of the sweatshop factory jobs. I'm not a proponent of public schools--I went to private schools all my life---but due to the lack of private schools in our areas, my 5 children went to public schools. I stayed right on top of every situation and I was generally pleased with the outcome---of course, they did know I wouldn't turn loose when I had a complaint. <g> The public school systems in CA & TX are still considered at the top of the list of good school systems (academically) in the US...and I believe we should only expect them to teach academics---I taught mine morals and gave them other directions suitable for existing in civilization....I do think the schools need to stick to that! Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue & Bobby Bates" <bsbates@netease.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 10:30 PM Subject: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > Norma, as I understand it, public school systems were founded, and funded, by industry barons who wanted a more educated peon to work in their factories. The whole program was geared to prepare the child to go to work in a factory, take orders, do the thing the establishment wanted. > > I have seen very little since then to make me think things have changed much. Yes, they want little clones who will fall right in with the party line. Schools do not encourage original thinking, and that is sad, because as far as I am concerned that is what schools should do. > > Jack Childers in OKC > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > ~~~~ > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > > The Following topics are inappropriate on Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com: > Political discussion/ views > Religious and inspirational postings, > Politically "Hot" Topics > Advertising and chain letters > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com is a wide spectrum Chat List, Topics allowed are almost anything.restrictions are: Political discussion, religious prosylitizing, and aggressive behavior, any of these topics will result in restricted priveleges. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 5/7/2002

I sat here chuckling at all the experts comments about our food supply. Well I spent 23 years as a meat cutter and the last 17 years working in a packing house. My first couple of years was on the cleanup crew and let me tell you that the lab techs came around when we were done and took swabs of all the surfaces that came in contact with the product and if bacteria was present we were called on the carpet and after three times were fired. So you really have no idea but what you read and hear in the news media, which is all a bunch of hype to get you to watch their drivel. We have one of the best food supplies and the best protection for good clean product in the world. My final comment, the reason we cook food till it is cooked not half raw is to kill the harmful bacteria that may be present. And it makes no sense to wash the product as it doesn't make a tinkers damn worth of difference about bacteria that may be present. If you eat it rare then that is your problem not the food industries. Just my 2 1/2 cents worth -- Wild Bill, North Pole, Alaska Life is what happens to you while you're making other plans.

Gee, Jack, I didn't realize the nose-pickers ranged as far north as OKC! I thought TX had a monopoly on that sort...after all, every time I get in the car & go more than 3 blocks I see at least one other driver doing that nasty deed. As to the beef, eggs, etc., some of the best I've ever eaten was in 3rd world countries...there the animals aren't artificially fattened like they are here. To make a hamburger in Belize you have to add Crisco to make the ground beef stay together as a patty! Even in England, I remember going to the meat market & having to wave the flies away when I bought meat. You took it home, washed it off, and cooked it. Germs killed! Mike IBSSG > [Original Message] > From: JACK CHILDERS <jaxone1234@msn.com> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 5/12/2002 10:56:27 AM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Beef & chicken > > well good grief, I've heard it all now. Cows standing around in shit all days makes for poisoned hamburger meat ! I have been a butcher before and let me tell you, they don't grind up the hide, hair and horns when they make hamburger. After the slaughter process you end up with a large carcass hanging there. You hoist the carcass up on the take and carve all the available meat off of it, grind it up, add a few additives and presto you have hamburger. Surely they washed it it, didn't they, or did they just haul the shitty carcass up on the table and grind it up ? How utterly dumb. > > Eggs come from the chicken's butt ! Chickens eat shit. How's that for gross ? And catfish are bottom feeders, they eat fish shit. > > What's that guys name, the Give Me A Break man ? > > You want to worry about something really gross ? You ever kiss someone ? I have almost made a hobby of watching people pick their nose and eat it. I am absolutely amazed and shocked at the number of grown people I have seen picking their nose and eating it in public. They do it driving and in supermarkets. Then they go home and sweetness kisses them ! There is an expression used in prison a lot, "Don't put your Richard beaters on me", translate the name Richard into the usual nickname for it. It means I don't know where your hands have been so don't be touching me to0much. > > Jack Childers in OKC > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Shuler Michael --- grinch42@mindspring.com --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.

Hi, Sheepers. Cuss words show a definite lack of vocabulary as well as no original thoughts to go with whatever little people do know. A pet peeve of mine is the person who continually says, "You know what I mean", and "you hear what I'm saying". I can't know and I can't hear cause the person has said absolutely nothing. Remember Judge Wapner? On one of his court TV broadcasts, a witness told the judge, "you know what I mean" - without a second's pause, the judge said, "No, that's what I want you to tell me, "what do you mean". The witness was stunned! I knew a gal that had - probably still has - a cesspool mouth. I doubt she even knew what she was saying was so ugly - it was her routine way of speaking - she was used to it. Have a great day! Shirley: bobert@i-1.net

Well, sure, Doris, in public. But what about when you're by yourself? Come on now! <g> I bet there's a few choice words that come to mind... Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Doris" <ginlu@charter.net> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 07:59:53 -0400 My grandma always told me that 'bad' language was "an indication of one's dire lack of vocabulary"..... I suppose she made a point with me, as I have always been able to tell a person off without ever using a single "blue" word. Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "mrscott" <mrscott@cambridgeoh.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! I 've never had any problems with our son and now his daughter whom we help with using "bad" langauge. If it isn't used around them they won't use it when small. Sometimes he will once in a while now but not in our home. It isn't necessaary to use bad/vulger words and terms so why do it. Many of us have always believed it was a sign of a person who needed attention but didn't get it when they should have. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue & Bobby Bates <bsbates@netease.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 10:31 PM Subject: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norma" <norma@normasplace.com> > To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:42 AM > Subject: Re: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > > > > Jack,I fought the entire school system here in Portland, OR. and at > one time > > I even took out all my bills problems with the children and dirty > laundry > > and a son who they were trying to tell me was a Homo and laid it all > on the > > judges desk. He said what is this? Simply put I told him when they > were > > prepared to take on the rest of the responsibility that was mine I > would bow > > out. They sued me for contempt but the psychiatrist they sent me to > said I > > was 100 years ahead of my time and they finally let me go. > > The kids and I still laugh about it/ As for naughty words. They do > need to > > let you deal with it. Keep their mouths shut and do the teaching of > the > > ABC's I better quit. I learned all this having a blacksheep for a > father. > > He is why I got the initials. Tell you one thing I learned a lot > when he was > > not in jail. Later Norma IBSSG > > > > > > Message ----- > > From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> > > To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 2:31 PM > > Subject: Re: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > > > > > > > Norma, as I understand it, public school systems were founded, and > funded, > > by industry barons who wanted a more educated peon to work in their > > factories. The whole program was geared to prepare the child to go > to work > > in a factory, take orders, do the thing the establishment wanted. > > > > > > I have seen very little since then to make me think things have > changed > > much. Yes, they want little clones who will fall right in with the > party > > line. 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Talk about being called a liar, let me tell you about a man in Iowa who molested me. I had been put in a mental hospital in Iowa at age 14. I didn't think I needed to be there, but I had been put there by what they use to call a Sanity Court, and in order to get out I had to go back into that Sanity Court. But what chance does a penniless 14 year old have in doing such a thing. So one of the hospital workers had a friend of his come to the hospital to talk to me about representing me in court. This man, named Bill, was the local district attorney, and I was real impressed that I could have such a knowledgeable person represent me. I figured if anyone would know their business he would. Since he WAS the district attorney, the officials at the hospital allowed him to take me to his office to interview me. Cutting to the chase, he didn't take me to his office, he took me out on a country road and raped me, all the time telling me how he was going to get me out of that hospital. I was so avid to get out of that hospital that I kept my mouth shut. He didn't get me out, that happened naturally several months later. When I was back in Des Moines, in the custody of the juvenile authorities, he showed up again, and as the district attorney he was allowed to check me out of the home and do it again ! This time I told on him, but I was a lair just trying to cause trouble for a decent, upstanding pillar of our communtiy. This man later went on to become a district judge, president of the school board, had a family with children, but all of my allegations against him were seen as the workings of a disturbed teenager. I even contacted the bar association, the local government in his town, told them I wanted him prosecuted, threatened him personally with a law suit, and he, and his grown son, counter threatened me with a lawsuit if I didn't quit harassing the old fool. So where is the justice in that case ? I have tried for years to hire an attorney who will sue the hell out of him, but no lawyer wasts to take the case. Whenever I see incidents where someone is standing up and saying, "Oh , alas, I was molested as a child by the big bad neighbor man and I want justice", I get an attitude. Where were all those do gooders when I needed help ? Where are they now ? I had to handle it on my own then and am still doing so. I don't want any sympathy over the situation, but it just ticks me off to no end. And people wonder why someone climbs up in a bell tower and snipers the town folks. Jack Childers in OKC