It's a tough job, Terri. There are some that are really cut out for it, long term, who never tire of the kids and somehow renew their energy for it each school year. I don't know how they do it. My oldest brother has a doctorate in education and my other brother and both their wives received their master degrees in education also. Two of them have worked in the public school system and two in private schools. They seem to be holding up well, but both of my brothers moved away from the ordinary classroom situation years ago. They've all been in education in one form or another since 1967-1970. Pretty awesome, in my book. The teachers that bother me the most are those who are burned out and don't know what to do about it or how to quit, so they keep teaching and make the kids miserable too. My grandson is in kindergarten right now, and he's got one of those teachers. I asked him how school is and he said "It's a pain." Not what I expected from a little guy in his first year, when fingerpainting and show n' tell are part of the day. And teachers have tenure, so if they don't have the good sense to find something they can love doing, we can't get them to leave, even when they're ruining their students' attitude toward education. That's another problem with the system. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: HBalc27124@aol.com Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Fw: [BSChat]teachers Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 08:02:02 EDT I have a good friend in Cleveland OH that has been an elementary school teacher for 30 years. She is retiring in June (this makes her only 51). She has been counting the days until retirement for the last five years. I am sure she is counting the hours now. The school system and the students have given her digestive bouts that seem to clear up over the summer. My sister works for the school system. She hates it but she has to hang on to receive her full pension. Terri ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

"J. Garland" wrote: > > Thanks, Bill. I had heard that the best beef is aged, but I didn't know how > long. I'd also heard that the moldy parts had to be trimmed off, but I > didn't know how much of the beef, fat or meat, they were talking about. I'm > wondering where I could find a butcher that would sell aged beef like that. > > Jan G. > I think most stores are usng boxed beef. Where the carcass has been broken down nto loins, rounds, chucks and etc. and them vacumned packaged. Now boxed beef was just getting a start when I was still a meat cutter, 28 years ago, man I must be getting kinda long toothed. <GRIN> but I think it dooes age in the vac pack you could ask your local meat cutter. I suppose if you could find an old fashion meat market like a mom & pop one, they might have beef quarteers, or maybe a locker plant that slaughters for farmers. -- Wild Bill, North Pole, Alaska Life is what happens to you while you're making other plans.

I have a good friend in Cleveland OH that has been an elementary school teacher for 30 years. She is retiring in June (this makes her only 51). She has been counting the days until retirement for the last five years. I am sure she is counting the hours now. The school system and the students have given her digestive bouts that seem to clear up over the summer. My sister works for the school system. She hates it but she has to hang on to receive her full pension. Terri

One can't live in this time without knowing the words.... but I have enough shortcomings....don't need more. I really don't often use "blue" language in private, and I'd say "never" in public....(I try not to use "never" or "always" either)....sometimes I get strange smirks from people when I say "O Rats!!!" , but I also get "nicer" language used around me if I set the pace.... When I was very young I would experiment with words and always got the looks and raised eyebrows....then later was told I was behaving in "an unacceptable manner" <ugh!> I just got used to trying to keep my speech clean....then when I married and started raising children I was adamant about it---and I wouldn't even allow people to use "baby talk" around my kids....it was right or not at all...... Me, I've been known to fail.....but it doesn't happen often....I'll just say it isn't the norm...even in private. <G> Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! Well, sure, Doris, in public. But what about when you're by yourself? Come on now! <g> I bet there's a few choice words that come to mind... Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Doris" <ginlu@charter.net> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 07:59:53 -0400 My grandma always told me that 'bad' language was "an indication of one's dire lack of vocabulary"..... I suppose she made a point with me, as I have always been able to tell a person off without ever using a single "blue" word. Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "mrscott" <mrscott@cambridgeoh.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! I 've never had any problems with our son and now his daughter whom we help with using "bad" langauge. If it isn't used around them they won't use it when small. Sometimes he will once in a while now but not in our home. It isn't necessaary to use bad/vulger words and terms so why do it. Many of us have always believed it was a sign of a person who needed attention but didn't get it when they should have. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue & Bobby Bates <bsbates@netease.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 10:31 PM Subject: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norma" <norma@normasplace.com> > To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 4:42 AM > Subject: Re: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > > > > Jack,I fought the entire school system here in Portland, OR. and at > one time > > I even took out all my bills problems with the children and dirty > laundry > > and a son who they were trying to tell me was a Homo and laid it all > on the > > judges desk. He said what is this? Simply put I told him when they > were > > prepared to take on the rest of the responsibility that was mine I > would bow > > out. They sued me for contempt but the psychiatrist they sent me to > said I > > was 100 years ahead of my time and they finally let me go. > > The kids and I still laugh about it/ As for naughty words. They do > need to > > let you deal with it. Keep their mouths shut and do the teaching of > the > > ABC's I better quit. I learned all this having a blacksheep for a > father. > > He is why I got the initials. Tell you one thing I learned a lot > when he was > > not in jail. Later Norma IBSSG > > > > > > Message ----- > > From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> > > To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 2:31 PM > > Subject: Re: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! > > > > > > > Norma, as I understand it, public school systems were founded, and > funded, > > by industry barons who wanted a more educated peon to work in their > > factories. The whole program was geared to prepare the child to go > to work > > in a factory, take orders, do the thing the establishment wanted. > > > > > > I have seen very little since then to make me think things have > changed > > much. Yes, they want little clones who will fall right in with the > party > > line. 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Cool, I like the sound of that Ice Classic. I'm amazed that six people won this year! Maybe I'm going to have to send some entry dates/times and some money to you next year to bet for me. I bet in a football pool about 15 years ago. Surprisingly, I won more often than anyone else involved. All I can attribute it to is that I had no knowledge, really, so I didn't over-analyze the teams and players. I just went with hunchs and by which team uniforms I liked best. <G> I won a total of $450 during the season. I quit while I was ahead. <g> Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Wild bill <farnorth-ak@gci.net> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] SPRING IS OFFICIALLY HERE Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 00:12:30 -0500 "J. Garland" wrote: > > Bill, I had to ask my husband what you were talking about. I didn't know > there was a bet on the break up. lol So, when do the bets have to be in by? > Who holds the money? How does one bet? Are there people standing around > watching and waiting for something to happen--how many witnesses are there > when the break up occurs? > > My husband told me about the wild bets, large and trivial, that happen, > especially in the bars in AK. Wallets flung on the table and bets about how > many consecutive commercials will be shown on the TV before the show is back > on, things like that--any little reason to bet and some times hundreds of > dollars are tossed on the table. lol But, I hadn't heard about the break up > lotto. He tells me there's a lot of side bets going on, too. > > Jan G. > > The Ice Classic is one of the few things that its leagal to bet on in Alaska, one other one is rippies tickets that you by for a buck that you rip open tabs, to see if you have a match. Now back to the Ice Classic. Its located at Nenana, it's a town org. that does all the running oof it, about 60 miles south of Fairbanks. On March first they dig a trench in the Ice and raise a tripod and pour water in so it freezes solid to hold it. Then they take a rope and tie it from the tripod to a clock on shore, Some one sits in the guard shack and watches it 24/7. After they raise the tripod the tickets go on sale for $2 each. So they sell a lot of tickets if the prize is $300,000. I always buy ten chances. And when the tripod floats far enough down river it trips the clock. Most bars have them and you fill them out and return them, they have to be returned by April 5th at midnight. Yep there are some wild bets that take place. Alaskans are a free loving, independent, friendly type of individual and a lot of them spend a lot of time in bars, during the winter and I guess they get bored and like to create some excitement. And they love to gamble. There was one guy who filled a 10 gallon water jug with change and brought it to the bar and for his favorite charity he sold tickets for $5 a throw and whoever guessed the correct amount of change in the jug won it. It held some where around 3,000+ can't remeber the exact amount, but he collected almost $6,000 for charity. And the bar I frequent has a 33 board on the pro football gaames. You have to be in for all games the first game every one throws in $20 bucks and then for every game it's $10 bucks, costs $180 for the whole season. before each game they draw the name of a team each one in the gamme has a number and the drawn team for that number is the one that can win, if the total score for that teams game is 33 the first gaame prize is 300 as there are 30 teams. If no one scores 33 then the pot keeps growing till some one wins. Its so popular and fills up so fast, I have the bar owner reserve me a slot. I've hit for three years and am way ahead of the game. -- Wild Bill, North Pole, Alaska Life is what happens to you while you're making other plans. ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

Thanks, Bill. I had heard that the best beef is aged, but I didn't know how long. I'd also heard that the moldy parts had to be trimmed off, but I didn't know how much of the beef, fat or meat, they were talking about. I'm wondering where I could find a butcher that would sell aged beef like that. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Wild bill <farnorth-ak@gci.net> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] FRESH HOME GROWN BEEF Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 00:21:48 -0500 Ava Fischer wrote: > > My first husband and I had a butcher shop, he was a meat cutter and I was a > wrapper. We would order by the half beef (hanging). You can tell this was > a long time ago, beef doesn't come by the half beef anymore just packaged > just packaged, easier to break down and cheaper for the store. We had one > customer that would order a half beef aged for 10 days. It was the best > beef, so tender. Haven't had beef like that in a long time. > > Whitewolf I had a customer who would order a hind quarter and have me age it for 30 days. I would have to trim mold off of it before processing it. One thing about beef it spoils from the out side in. So by triming off the bad the rest is good. And with choice or prime beef you can have up to a good inch of cover fat, so nothing is really lost in the process of aging, that you wouldn't loose any how. He once gave me a steak from it, and it was like butter, you could cut it with a fork. -- Wild Bill, North Pole, Alaska Life is what happens to you while you're making other plans. ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

You knew a lot of dishonest individuals. The health department would close you down in a New York minute if you put dye or any filler in the grind. At least in California they would. That is where we had our meat shop. Whitewolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 2:42 PM Subject: [BSChat] HAMBURGER > When a butcher makes hamburger he usually only grinds up the lean part of the bull at first. Then he adds varying amounts of suet to satisfy the customers. Some people like a lot of fat, others like a lot of lean. Fat is real tasty, that's why greasy foods are so popular. At the supermarket you see ground beef listed as 95% fat free, 75% fat free, extra lean, etc. That comes from the amount of suet they add to the basically lean beef they have to begin with. The only other thing we ever added was red dye. Natural meat color, after it sits awhile, is grayish purple, not attractive, so they dye most meat to satisfy the customer. By the way, they also add water to most meat to make it weigh more. They say it helps keep the meat fresh, but that's just a lot of bs. > > Jack Childers in OKC > International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists > http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm > "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" > Jaxone1234@msn.com > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

My first husband and I had a butcher shop, he was a meat cutter and I was a wrapper. We would order by the half beef (hanging). You can tell this was a long time ago, beef doesn't come by the half beef anymore just packaged just packaged, easier to break down and cheaper for the store. We had one customer that would order a half beef aged for 10 days. It was the best beef, so tender. Haven't had beef like that in a long time. Whitewolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 2:36 PM Subject: [BSChat] FRESH HOME GROWN BEEF > When in prison one of the things I took was butchering. I had some funny feelings about bashing some cow's brains in and cutting it up in pieces, but I soon got over it. > > We would get live cattle in there early in the morning, kill them, hang then up to drain. We always cut some steaks right away and cooked them for our lunch. There is nothing better tasting in the world, to me, than steak so fresh that it mooed that morning. If you've never eaten it that way there is no way to explain the taste. Its nothing like the meat you buy in a store. > > Jack Childers in OKC > International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists > http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm > "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" > Jaxone1234@msn.com > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Ava Fischer wrote: > > My first husband and I had a butcher shop, he was a meat cutter and I was a > wrapper. We would order by the half beef (hanging). You can tell this was > a long time ago, beef doesn't come by the half beef anymore just packaged > just packaged, easier to break down and cheaper for the store. We had one > customer that would order a half beef aged for 10 days. It was the best > beef, so tender. Haven't had beef like that in a long time. > > Whitewolf I had a customer who would order a hind quarter and have me age it for 30 days. I would have to trim mold off of it before processing it. One thing about beef it spoils from the out side in. So by triming off the bad the rest is good. And with choice or prime beef you can have up to a good inch of cover fat, so nothing is really lost in the process of aging, that you wouldn't loose any how. He once gave me a steak from it, and it was like butter, you could cut it with a fork. -- Wild Bill, North Pole, Alaska Life is what happens to you while you're making other plans.

And you listen carefully, Sue...you don't own me or the List...so rein it in. Jan Curtis IBSSG -----Original Message----- From: Sue & Bobby Bates <bsbates@netease.net> To: BS-CHAT <Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com>; Jan Curtis <jcurtis@redrock.net> Date: Sunday, May 12, 2002 2:36 PM Subject: [BSChat] Re: Beef & chicken >From: "jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> wrote..... >Sue - We each go our merry little way, and eat what we want to.< > >Huh??? > Ok... last time and listen carefully: Jan, we were *NEVER* in >disagreement about our eating habits. Honestly, I don't know how you >even came up with that one. :-( > Now, let's give it a rest. >SueB > > > > >

"J. Garland" wrote: > > Bill, I had to ask my husband what you were talking about. I didn't know > there was a bet on the break up. lol So, when do the bets have to be in by? > Who holds the money? How does one bet? Are there people standing around > watching and waiting for something to happen--how many witnesses are there > when the break up occurs? > > My husband told me about the wild bets, large and trivial, that happen, > especially in the bars in AK. Wallets flung on the table and bets about how > many consecutive commercials will be shown on the TV before the show is back > on, things like that--any little reason to bet and some times hundreds of > dollars are tossed on the table. lol But, I hadn't heard about the break up > lotto. He tells me there's a lot of side bets going on, too. > > Jan G. > > The Ice Classic is one of the few things that its leagal to bet on in Alaska, one other one is rippies tickets that you by for a buck that you rip open tabs, to see if you have a match. Now back to the Ice Classic. Its located at Nenana, it's a town org. that does all the running oof it, about 60 miles south of Fairbanks. On March first they dig a trench in the Ice and raise a tripod and pour water in so it freezes solid to hold it. Then they take a rope and tie it from the tripod to a clock on shore, Some one sits in the guard shack and watches it 24/7. After they raise the tripod the tickets go on sale for $2 each. So they sell a lot of tickets if the prize is $300,000. I always buy ten chances. And when the tripod floats far enough down river it trips the clock. Most bars have them and you fill them out and return them, they have to be returned by April 5th at midnight. Yep there are some wild bets that take place. Alaskans are a free loving, independent, friendly type of individual and a lot of them spend a lot of time in bars, during the winter and I guess they get bored and like to create some excitement. And they love to gamble. There was one guy who filled a 10 gallon water jug with change and brought it to the bar and for his favorite charity he sold tickets for $5 a throw and whoever guessed the correct amount of change in the jug won it. It held some where around 3,000+ can't remeber the exact amount, but he collected almost $6,000 for charity. And the bar I frequent has a 33 board on the pro football gaames. You have to be in for all games the first game every one throws in $20 bucks and then for every game it's $10 bucks, costs $180 for the whole season. before each game they draw the name of a team each one in the gamme has a number and the drawn team for that number is the one that can win, if the total score for that teams game is 33 the first gaame prize is 300 as there are 30 teams. If no one scores 33 then the pot keeps growing till some one wins. Its so popular and fills up so fast, I have the bar owner reserve me a slot. I've hit for three years and am way ahead of the game. -- Wild Bill, North Pole, Alaska Life is what happens to you while you're making other plans.

In a message dated 5/12/2002 7:55:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jcurtis@redrock.net writes: > We entertained a LOT of IBM men, on R&R from Vietnam, and other countries. > I always had to take everyone on the Floating Market Tour, and shopping. > Got kind tired of being Ms. IBM tour guide....:) > > Jan C. I made up for it in other places, lots of good oriental R&R. Shopping, shopping, shopping, I did pick up some faceted Rubies. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

Absolutely....the best shopping area ever...the U.S. has nothing to compare to it. Maybe that's why Pier I, Dillards, Penneys, Sears, etc., looks a bit bland to me... Jan C. -----Original Message----- From: ScismGenie@aol.com <ScismGenie@aol.com> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, May 12, 2002 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Thailand >In a message dated 5/12/2002 7:55:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >jcurtis@redrock.net writes: > > >> We entertained a LOT of IBM men, on R&R from Vietnam, and other countries. >> I always had to take everyone on the Floating Market Tour, and shopping. >> Got kind tired of being Ms. IBM tour guide....:) >> >> Jan C. > >I made up for it in other places, lots of good oriental R&R. Shopping, >shopping, shopping, I did pick up some faceted Rubies. > > >Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) >~~ >Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site >Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site >manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: >B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n >d i c o t t, > S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. >Nv.) > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Unsubscribe from the list: >Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsu bscribe > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Bill, I had to ask my husband what you were talking about. I didn't know there was a bet on the break up. lol So, when do the bets have to be in by? Who holds the money? How does one bet? Are there people standing around watching and waiting for something to happen--how many witnesses are there when the break up occurs? My husband told me about the wild bets, large and trivial, that happen, especially in the bars in AK. Wallets flung on the table and bets about how many consecutive commercials will be shown on the TV before the show is back on, things like that--any little reason to bet and some times hundreds of dollars are tossed on the table. lol But, I hadn't heard about the break up lotto. He tells me there's a lot of side bets going on, too. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Wild bill <farnorth-ak@gci.net> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BSChat] SPRING IS OFFICIALLY HERE Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 21:21:48 -0500 Forgot to mention it but breakup was at 9:27AST on May 7th. I missed it by 2 days. Must be because I forgot that we had a dry winter and water is what really causes it to breakup. Six people will share the 300+ thousand. If we hadn't of had a record wet Apr., it would probably would still be locked in ice. It was a beautiful day today 18+ hours of possible sunshine which it is still shining at 9:18PM and won't set till for another hour an a half, and the sky won't turn dark till late August. Jeff didn't you guess May sixth. -- Wild Bill, North Pole, Alaska Life is what happens to you while you're making other plans. ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

Jack, you're good and loving dad, but you're not doing Kade any favors when it comes to her vocabulary. She's young and it's hard to teach kids when it's appropriate and when it's not appropriate to use certain words, no matter how smart she is. It takes emotional as well as mental maturity. So, the easiest thing to do is teach them not to use the words. Even if it bothers you to go along with what the authority figures at her school are saying. It's a respect issue. And I don't mean respect for the school people. Generally speaking in our society, we don't expect to hear those words coming out of the mouth of an 8 year old because it sounds crass and disrespectful towards whomever they're talking to and diminishes respect for herself. And in all honesty, speaking as a mom, if an eight or ten or twelve year old came to my home and spewed forth those words, I'd feel she was a bad example for my kids and that would be the last visit from her. It sounds trashy and, again, disrespectful towards herself and those she's talking to. There's a time and place for everything, but Kade's not old enough to be the judge of those things. By letting her use those words all the time, that something she's not going to learn. As for "profane", the word comes from the days when the churches were said to have a "thane" at the front door, which I imagine was like a threshold, step or porch and the place where the outside world stopped and the church structure began. The language of the world stopped "before" the "thane" and respectful language began there, at the opening door to the church. The pronunciation changed over time from 'pro thane' to 'profane". You, beyond a doubt, have had more reasons and opportunities to get PO'd and frustrated and profane with gov't people than just about anyone I know--with Jeff in a close second, but, if I were one of the civil service people (a very slim chance of that, too many rules for me, but just for the sake of example) and you were cussing at me disrespectfully, I'd probably not want to continue talking to you either. Respect makes a big difference. They remember the troublemakers, you know. The next time you deal with them, it may take an hour just to find someone to hand you off to. <g> Jan g. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BSChat] LANGUAGE Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 10:27:41 -0500 You're right, it is not necessary to use cuss words to communicate the English language, as evidenced by this list. While some questionable words do creep into the conversation now and then, by and large we all know how to get our point across without cussing like a sailor about it. However, this language thing has gotten out of hand. Nowadays, everyone is an expert on everything. The saying someone on the list made one time, something to the effect, I got two more sessions of "The Operation" before I get my medical license illustrates how people become experts. Some people think they know everything when it comes to language. I have had government employees tell me they didn't have to talk to me as long as I used profane language. Oops, they just messed up on two fronts. To begin with, the word profane can only have a religious connotation, as in to profane the god head. If a government agent says they won't talk to me because I used the words G--D--- that means they are trying to impose their religious tenets on me in order for me to avail myself of that government service, and that's strictly a legal no-no. Plus, when they put those restrictions on my words they have just violated my constitutional right to freedom of speech. The Supreme Court has long ago decided that we can say all the dirty words we want, see Lenny Bruce, and for a government agency, or even a private individual, to say we can, well, it flys in the face of legal case law and our constitution. Then we come to the point where we decide what is a dirty word. I have been chastised for saying darn, cotton picken, ass, shit, poopah, falderall, etc. Mercy, I bet those same people would fall over dead if they heard me really cut loose ! Let's take the word shit. I grew up in a farm setting where the word was used quite extensively and freely by both sexes and of all ages. It was a very common thing on a farm. There are people still alive today who courted while sitting in a horse drawn buggy, said horse churning the stuff out left and right while the couple billed and cooed. Yet, there are tons of prissy people around the world who cringe and get that look on their face if they even smell the subject, let alone hear it expressed. As mentioned in a previous post to this list, Kade gets into minor trouble at school for saying words like damm, shit, ass, doodoo head, etc. My position is that she is free to use such words. They may be considered socially inappropriate, but they are not cuss words. I have done my job well in training her to know the difference between not polite words and down right offensive words. We all train our children in how to be phony and lie, and I got that down pat with Kade. In fact, I gave Kade and some of her friends this weekend a lesson in how to be socially fake and acceptable. Now take the infamous F--- word. It is merely an acronym meaning Fornicating Under Carnal Knowledge , pure and simple. I must admit that I sometimes get caught unawares when some people use the word, but I seldom fall over in a faint because of it. As someone was trying to point out, I think, go to Texas and sit on a park bench to hear the best language you ever want to hear. I don't think the use of cuss words denotes ignorance. I am not ignorant and I bet I know all the cuss words, and have probably used them all at one time or another. And I certainly don't use them to gain attention. I can get attention just walking down the street. And quite frankly, I don't desire any attention, just really want people to leave me the h--- alone. If my language, or ideas, or thoughts offend, just ignore me. 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Yes, they want sheep that memorize and follow blindly. Thinking only causes problems. If they'll just memorize, they'll ace the tests and that's the goal. I wish your daughter had pointed out to the teacher and principal that the Old Testament is regarded as an historical document. But, obviously they pick and choose what they want to believe. I'm glad she said what she had to say in front of the other kids--perhaps encouraging them to think objectively about it. Anything with "theory" in the name is not proven beyond a doubt or believed to be completely correct in all respects. She handled it well. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Doris" <ginlu@charter.net> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Fw: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 21:25:52 -0400 Jack, My granddaughter was a senior in high school in south LA--in the public school---in honors class.... at one point near the end of her senior year, the teacher was discussing (in class) the theory of evolution---but stated it as absolute! Well, my Caty told her that it wasn't a fact--not necessarily absolutely true or false--but was a theory that might be partial truth, all truth, or no truth at all..... so the teacher asked her if she was a "creationist". Caty answered that she thought it made some sense to her that if one would refer to the "days" in the Genesis story as "era", she could easily combine both the creation story and the evolution theory--the teacher said the creation theory was just "theory"...so Caty answered that so was evolution, and that after all, they might be compatible, and it just seemed to her that either theory would need a beginning. So the teacher became furious and kicked her out of class, saying she was discussing religion and God---which wasn't allowed!! Caty pranced to the principal's office and called me, and we had a go-round about theories and facts....Caty refused to back down, and she lost that credit...nearly lost her honor status...but was willing to do that in order to "make a point".....she graduated with honors, as she was accepted into another class and aced it ... Maybe that's why they don't want any abstract thinkers in schools.....? LOL Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 8:02 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! I problem I see with my school here is that they don't teach them to think. If you ask a high school senior a certain question, like, for instance, what's the rotation of a hurricane south of the equator, he will probably be able to tell you IF they have covered that particular thing in school. But ask them a hypothetical question, one that requires deductive thinking, they don't know the answer. It seems to be learning by rote, and if a subject wasn't taught in the rote they don't know it. I use to think the purpose of any school was to make you think so you could go on and discover even more knowledge . I think I become disenchanted with universities when I discovered that they were not places of learning anything more than what the party platform wanted you to learn. For instance, there is a university right close to my house, the Oklahoma City University. It is expanding in size and seems to enjoy a good reputation, but it is a Methodist university. If you don't believe the Methodist party line then you are an outsider, a trouble maker. The instructors will out and out turn you into a pariah if you express ideas that flow contrary to what they believe in as Methodists. That is not the purpose of a university, in my opinion. I can't imagine a Catholic or an atheists going there. I was thrown out of a school for daring to question the rotation of a hurricane south of the equator. I was right and the teacher was wrong, but I dared to question the powers that be, and they just couldn't abide that idea. Jack Childers in OKC ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Yes, Mom had a good day. We had lunch with my folks and I had taken a few things down there that are intended to make life better and easier for her. As usual, she fought tooth and nail to reject any change, no matter how good, but it wasn't just for her, but for my dad too. So, after a couple hours of explaining things, we think we did well, she's accepted the gifts and we heard her telling dad some things about the benefits of them. So, our words were not in vain. I guess a person has to be pretty stubborn to get to be 85 and 87, eh? (If stubborn is the only criteria, there's a few of us here that should live to be a 150!! lol) We came back home and my son took me out to dinner. The bad news is he thinks he thinks he's going to be moving to OH later this year. His old employer called him and begged him to come back to work for them, so he's strongly considering it. Being a native CA boy, I don't know if he'll be thrilled with snow country. It's a shock. But, he's 22 and looking for adventure. Might as well start in OH. <g> Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Vacation Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 20:42:37 -0600 I know...it's the *pitts*....but then, he'll be sleeping in the back of his pickup, and I'm not keen about roughing it. Hope your Mom's day was a good one! I took mine to lunch. Jan C. -----Original Message----- From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, May 11, 2002 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Vacation > > >I don't think I could have kept from saying "Steve--what time are we >leaving? I'll get packed right away!" lol > >jan G. > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "jcurtis" <jcurtis@redrock.net> >Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com >To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [BSChat] Re: Vacation >Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 23:48:06 -0600 > >Son Steve leaves in the morning for a week vacation in Moab, Utah....camping >out, hiking, mountain climbing, river-rafting down the Colorada River in >Grand Canyon. > >He called tonight...said "Happy Mothers Day...I love you." > >Jan C. > > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Unsubscribe from the list: >Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsu bscribe > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go >to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com is a wide spectrum Chat List, Topics allowed are almost anything.restrictions are: >Political discussion, religious prosylitizing, and aggressive behavior, any of these topics will result in restricted priveleges. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

Well this is good news!! Sometimes I wonder about what is really going on...and that includes all the vegs. & fruit from other countries. Jan C. -----Original Message----- From: Wild bill <farnorth-ak@gci.net> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, May 12, 2002 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Beef & chicken > I sat here chuckling at all the experts comments about our food >supply. Well I spent 23 years as a meat cutter and the last 17 years >working in a packing house. My first couple of years was on the cleanup >crew and let me tell you that the lab techs came around when we were >done and took swabs of all the surfaces that came in contact with the >product and if bacteria was present we were called on the carpet and >after three times were fired. So you really have no idea but what you >read and hear in the news media, which is all a bunch of hype to get you >to watch their drivel. We have one of the best food supplies and the >best protection for good clean product in the world. My final comment, >the reason we cook food till it is cooked not half raw is to kill the >harmful bacteria that may be present. And it makes no sense to wash the >product as it doesn't make a tinkers damn worth of difference about >bacteria that may be present. If you eat it rare then that is your >problem not the food industries. Just my 2 1/2 cents worth > > >-- >Wild Bill, North Pole, Alaska Life is what happens to you while you're >making other plans. > > >==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== >Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com is a wide spectrum Chat List, Topics allowed are almost anything.restrictions are: >Political discussion, religious prosylitizing, and aggressive behavior, any of these topics will result in restricted priveleges. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Before the day is done...hope all you Moms had a really good day! Starbucks Latte coffee to all of us. (;;;;;)S (;;;;;)S (;;;;;)S Jan C.

Good grief!!! It's really gone down the list since I was working in the Texas school system...pity!! Doris ----- Original Message ----- From: <ScismGenie@aol.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 2:48 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [BSChat] Fw: [BS-L] WOW... I MISSED you guys!!! In a message dated 5/12/2002 11:01:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > > If the CA schools are at the top, then we're in trouble! I'm amazed at what > > my kids graduated from high school NOT knowing. I learned a lot more when I > > was in school. I think the tests have been dumbed-down a LOT. > The california school are LOWEST in math and science and 47th in english comprehension. Not exactly a STERLING performance. However we also have (as of last week's announcement) the WORST air to breath in the country. So I think I will Blame the poor performance on bad air, before someone else beats me to it!! Jeff Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.) ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com is a wide spectrum Chat List, Topics allowed are almost anything.restrictions are: Political discussion, religious prosylitizing, and aggressive behavior, any of these topics will result in restricted priveleges. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 5/7/2002