"J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> wrote.... >.... Am I the only one that thinks Clint resembles Roy Rogers?< LOL!! Nope! I've said *in jest* for years that Clint looks like he could be Roy's illegitimate son. :-) Best, SueB

"Mellie" <Mel@i12.com> wrote.... >.... at the Pub that night everyone sang "you picked a fine time to leave me LOOSE WHEEL!< LOL Yep, that's a good take on that one & sung it that way myself once or twice! :-) Another variation on a Kenny song, "You Decorated My Life" that I got a kick out of was when my cousin's hubby sang, "... and yooooouuuu made a wreck of my liiiife...." :-)) Well, it was funny at the time and maybe ya hadda be there... *grin* Best, SueB

This is the one area that I do not believe in rehabilitation or they are sorry about the crime they have committed. I think they are just sorry they were caught. Whitewolf I also do not think there is ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > As background for my statements let me rehash some of what I am and what I do. I'm sure everyone knows of my prison experiences. I learned a lot about my fellow inmates while there. > > I have also been an ordained minister since about 1975, have a not for profit church charter registered with the Oklahoma Secretary of State. I operate a program designed to facilitate the transition from incarceration to freedom. As part of my continuing interest in the field I receive on a monthly basis a magazine from the US Justice Department outlining the various studies, grants, ACA specs, things of that nature. A lot of the things I mention on this list come from this US Justice mag. > > They have done many studies on sex offenders. Its a hot topic and a field that attracts a lot of professionals. The common consensus is that there is no cure for sex offenders. Even castration does not work. Eunuchs were castrated and were still able to maintain an erection and have sex with the harem girls they were suppose to be guarding. The Justice Department did one study and came to the conclusion that a great majority of child molesters were from the Midwest and were of a certain religious persuasion. In fact, they kind of pin pointed a certain town as one producing the most child molesters per capita. When I showed that article to my mother she quit talking to me for months because she belonged to that denomination and had married three men from that town. > > Here in Oklahoma the prisons have an aversion therapy program. I know the man who developed the program, have known him for 30 years and in public he defends the program, but in private he has told me it does not work. His professional opinion, and he is a professional, is that death is the only cure for child molesters. > > In my own experiences I have never know a child molester that was remorseful for his behavior. I have not met all child molesters, so perhaps there are some who change. I would have to see them to believe it. This is the one area that I do not believe in rehabilitation in. > > Jack Childers in OKC > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Why don't we just take the sex offenders, castrate them, and make them wear them for ear-plugs?! Terri

In Florida you can be Baker-acted but only for 72 hours. Terri

>ever since Kenny Rogers came along in the 70's, but even "(You picked a fine time to leave me,)Lucille" was a *great* drinking song. The whole bar could sing along! <G> (It's really hard NOT to sing along with that one, for some reason. lol)< jan gotta share this with ya, someone tried to pinch my wheel nuts once but got disturbed, anyway i was driving along and my wheel came loose, and fell off! at the Pub that night everyone sang "you picked a fine time to leave me LOOSE WHEEL! thought you might all like a laugh at that one! Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? ListAdmin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. No attachments sent without prior notification Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02

>I just don't like the country music that leaves you depressed! Terri< I know the sort you mean, wife left him dog died kinda stuff! I like the sloppy slushy sentimental stuff, stuff for lovers! Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? ListAdmin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. No attachments sent without prior notification Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02

As background for my statements let me rehash some of what I am and what I do. I'm sure everyone knows of my prison experiences. I learned a lot about my fellow inmates while there. I have also been an ordained minister since about 1975, have a not for profit church charter registered with the Oklahoma Secretary of State. I operate a program designed to facilitate the transition from incarceration to freedom. As part of my continuing interest in the field I receive on a monthly basis a magazine from the US Justice Department outlining the various studies, grants, ACA specs, things of that nature. A lot of the things I mention on this list come from this US Justice mag. They have done many studies on sex offenders. Its a hot topic and a field that attracts a lot of professionals. The common consensus is that there is no cure for sex offenders. Even castration does not work. Eunuchs were castrated and were still able to maintain an erection and have sex with the harem girls they were suppose to be guarding. The Justice Department did one study and came to the conclusion that a great majority of child molesters were from the Midwest and were of a certain religious persuasion. In fact, they kind of pin pointed a certain town as one producing the most child molesters per capita. When I showed that article to my mother she quit talking to me for months because she belonged to that denomination and had married three men from that town. Here in Oklahoma the prisons have an aversion therapy program. I know the man who developed the program, have known him for 30 years and in public he defends the program, but in private he has told me it does not work. His professional opinion, and he is a professional, is that death is the only cure for child molesters. In my own experiences I have never know a child molester that was remorseful for his behavior. I have not met all child molesters, so perhaps there are some who change. I would have to see them to believe it. This is the one area that I do not believe in rehabilitation in. Jack Childers in OKC

Well, you have a horse, don't you? <g> Does that count? Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Sue & Bobby Bates" <bsbates@netease.net> Reply-To: "Sue & Bobby Bates" <bsbates@netease.net> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: Clint Black Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 23:07:10 -0500 "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> wrote.... > Hmmm, does Clint yodel? <G> < He *is* a CW singer, right? LOL I'm about 99% sure that yodeling is a prerequisite. Oh, and, yes, I can yodel (Swiss heritage there!) but I have NO resemblance to Roy! *big grin* Best, SueB ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

That may have changed since I was there in 1989. However, 72 hours is all that is needed to evaluate someone and institute permanent institutionalization. Perhaps they changed it to allow someone to get into immediate custody long enough to be given a closer look. In Oklahoma they don't even need a Baker Act to get you in jail for 72 hours. The police can put you in their jail for 72 hours and never even file any charges. Jack Childers in OKC ----- Original Message ----- From: HBalc27124@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 8:50 PM To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law In Florida you can be Baker-acted but only for 72 hours. Terri

Hmmm, does Clint yodel? <G> Jan G. <LOL!! Nope! I've said *in jest* for years that Clint looks like he could be Roy's illegitimate son. :-) Best, SueB> _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

I think since 9/11, that's nation-wide. I think it has a ending date, though. Like 2010 or something. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 20:58:16 -0500 That may have changed since I was there in 1989. However, 72 hours is all that is needed to evaluate someone and institute permanent institutionalization. Perhaps they changed it to allow someone to get into immediate custody long enough to be given a closer look. In Oklahoma they don't even need a Baker Act to get you in jail for 72 hours. The police can put you in their jail for 72 hours and never even file any charges. Jack Childers in OKC ----- Original Message ----- From: HBalc27124@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 8:50 PM To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law In Florida you can be Baker-acted but only for 72 hours. Terri ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

Well, if you don't want to pay the money for incarceration, and you don't want the molestors out in society, that only leaves killing them on the spot, and you already said you don't want that. What do you want ? To me its an easy situation. I had to be interviewed by the OKC sex crimes department once and they asked me what I thought should be done to child molestors. I told them that betwen the scene of the arrest and the arrival at the jail that they should have to be shot and killed while attempting to escape custody. Of course, that's too messy a situation for the more prissy of us. Jack Childers in OKC

Florida had a pretty good way of dealing with sex crimes. They have special sex offender prisons with a heavy emphasis on programs. A judge can sentence a sex offender to X number of years in prison, along with the stipulation that the inmate has to undergo all the treatment programs. Once in prison the offender does not have to take the programs, but if he doesn't he don't get out ! They have what they call The Baker Act. What the Baker Act does is, in the opinion of the prison officials, an inmates poses a danger to society, they can send them to a mental hospital, even if the original sentence is over. And they can Baker Act you even if you take the sex offender programs and they don't work. Once in a mental hospital they have to review your case every so often, and if you are still a danger to society they just re-Baker Act you !! The Baker Act isn't restricted to sex offenders. It applies to any prisoner, and if I am not mistaken, it can also apply to someone not convicted. Just say someone is acting in a manner that is dangerous to society, zap, they can Baker Act you. Jack Childers in OKC

In a message dated 5/14/02 3:21:09 PM Mountain Daylight Time, zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > You don't know if he visits playgrounds or hangs > around schools. Is he active in kids activities in the church? Is he > treated > there as someone who is trusted? > > What is the fear factor that you mentioned? His daughters in fear of him? > Why? Aren't they adults now? How are they protecting their daughters? > Jan G., I know for a fact that he doesn't frequent the play grounds. He now has some severe health problems. He is 71. The Fear Factor lasts until you say something about it to another adult, of course they don't believe it, usually you don't say anymore about it. Of course before this we were talking and acting among our cousins. The Fear factor didn't have any bearing there, we had all been approached by him. BTW, on a personal level, do you enjoy being called a liar? Ostracized and ridiculed by your own family? This is no fun, I don't recommend placing yourself in that position, ever. ENOUGH Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member Bo-Peep Award Ogden, Utah, USA "God sent his Singers upon the Earth, With songs of Gladness and Mirth. That they might touch the hearts of men, And bring them to Heaven again." --Longfellow

In a message dated 5/13/02 8:26:14 PM Mountain Daylight Time, zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > My only concern is for the others he may > still be hurting. The problem is that the only proof is in the memories of those involved. Most want nothing to do with this now that they are out of it. Some will not admit that it happened. If he acted the same with his daughters, it is hearsay on my part. As I said, the Lord will take care of it. I think the neighbor hood was put on alert when the flood of nieces and nephews, the boys couldn't go without their sisters, stopped having overnight visits, which are the custom in my Mom's family. Yes, when we could we told the girls in the neighborhood to not be alone with him, they would look at us strangely, then nod and tell us, "OK." Back then, in this place, adults word was law and the children had to develop their own defense until it was feasible to loosen it. The children here were very good at that. We all have the same belief that the Lord will take care of it. It was our responsibility to try to keep it from happening more, which we did. However nothing in that matter is 100%. This is why our attitude is what it is. We know better, we did actively do our best to teach the younger children that this was not a good thing. Did we paint him into a corner? To some extent, yes. Since he has lived in the same home for over 44 years the neighbors are probably very aware of what he is. I remember my Aunt, his wife who just died, commenting about the children not wanting to play in their yard when he was at home. This is a very strong indication that word got around. When there are 6 small children in a house, half girls, usually there are children in and out in a stream, not so in their home. Those who came by were mostly boys, he didn't bother them. In this neighbor hood it was safer for them to play in the park, two blocks away, than in my Uncle's yard. Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member Bo-Peep Award Ogden, Utah, USA "God sent his Singers upon the Earth, With songs of Gladness and Mirth. That they might touch the hearts of men, And bring them to Heaven again." --Longfellow

Loved the loose wheel story, Mellie! Terri

Jack, I said killing them wasn't legal right now. I didn't say I didn't want it. I was just trying to work within the present law. jan G. Well, if you don't want to pay the money for incarceration, and you don't want the molestors out in society, that only leaves killing them on the spot, and you already said you don't want that. What do you want ? To me its an easy situation. I had to be interviewed by the OKC sex crimes department once and they asked me what I thought should be done to child molestors. I told them that betwen the scene of the arrest and the arrival at the jail that they should have to be shot and killed while attempting to escape custody. Of course, that's too messy a situation for the more prissy of us. Jack Childers in OKC ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com is a wide spectrum Chat List, Topics allowed are almost anything.restrictions are: Political discussion, religious prosylitizing, and aggressive behavior, any of these topics will result in restricted priveleges. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

I know, we were at a party and they had Karaoke. My youngest was 19 at the time and sang, "I've Got Friends in Low Places" and the entire party joined in. This was the same kid who got buzzed at my anniversary party and they had karaoke. He sang "Born to be Wild" Everyone came up and said, "...but he's so QUIET!" I just hate the ones when someone dies and the other one talks about mommy/daddy being in heaven and the truck gets repo'd. If you play a CW song backwards, the guy gets his truck back, his woman comes back, his dog comes back to life and he joins AA! Terri

Sounds good, except for the expense of it, until that last sentence. The Russians used to throw all their more educated dissidents into mental hospitals, no trials or convictions there either. (better than making martyrs out of them) It's going to get expense enough just Baker-Acting the convicted criminals. jan g. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:05:40 -0500 Florida had a pretty good way of dealing with sex crimes. They have special sex offender prisons with a heavy emphasis on programs. A judge can sentence a sex offender to X number of years in prison, along with the stipulation that the inmate has to undergo all the treatment programs. Once in prison the offender does not have to take the programs, but if he doesn't he don't get out ! They have what they call The Baker Act. What the Baker Act does is, in the opinion of the prison officials, an inmates poses a danger to society, they can send them to a mental hospital, even if the original sentence is over. And they can Baker Act you even if you take the sex offender programs and they don't work. Once in a mental hospital they have to review your case every so often, and if you are still a danger to society they just re-Baker Act you !! The Baker Act isn't restricted to sex offenders. It applies to any prisoner, and if I am not mistaken, it can also apply to someone not convicted. Just say someone is acting in a manner that is dangerous to society, zap, they can Baker Act you. Jack Childers in OKC _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com