Jack, you could get a big dog or maybe *move*? Jan g. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:16:49 -0500 Not being contrary or antagonistic, but I am a little leery of what the voters want. I am too much a student of history to favor majority rule. There have been too many cases where the majority would have done the wrong thing. But I know what you mean anyway. Crime, especially against children, always brings forth strong emotions. Each case of an ex-convict should be judged individually. I personally think I should be allowed to possess a gun. I live in a large city where we have entirely too many home invasions, gang related drive by shootings, and I have a small child in my home. If I were to be home invaded there would be nothing I could do to defend us. I don't want to kill anyone. If I did it would be no problem for me to locate a gun to do it with, legal or otherwise. I know too many ex-convicts to ever have to worry about finding anything illegal to do !! I bet I could have an automatic weapon in my living room within 30 minutes if I so desired. But I am straight and clean because that's what I choose to be. And its the same with everyone. No one is upright because we have to be. We are so because we choose to be that way. By the way, I have a state senator interested in introducing a bill that would allow an ex-offender to obtain a gun after so many years of clean living. Probably won't ever get out of committee, but at least I am trying . It really worries me that I can't protect Kade in our home. Jack Childers in OKC ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
Oh. So, it's not like you could take him a plate of cookies and invite yourself in for a spell, eh? have a little look-see, give the cops a reason to go in? Jan G. <<I have badmouthed him to everyone living around here and told him to sue me if he didn't appreciate it. Jack Childers in OKC>> _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
lol Jack--go for it! (I love it, I can't wait to see this in the papers.) jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Sue & Bobby Bates" <bsbates@netease.net> Reply-To: "Sue & Bobby Bates" <bsbates@netease.net> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:02:36 -0500 "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> wrote.... >.... There is still a law on the books in Oklahoma that says upon discharge the state is suppose to give me a horse, saddle and a rifle !! < Hey, Jack, that might be worth checking into! You could always sell 'em and keep the $$. ;-) Best, SueB ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
I figure that the tree house was built because it's an attraction. Some kids won't bother to ask permission, they'll just climb the fence. jan G. << (even if you are not a known criminal) you are less likely to be asking kids to come to your treehouse!! >> _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
No, Westerfield had no record. I was surprised at that. Jack says that the average molester is 45 (Westerfield was 49 when he was caught), but I'm thinking that being a molester and being caught as a molester are two different things. Who knows how long this sort of thing was going on. And the longer they're at it, the worse their odds of not getting caught. I figured he just went too far this time. But, so far, no one else has come forward as a victim, so... maybe his fantasies just got out of hand. I have noticed, however, that Westerfield's 2 kids have been conspicuously silent and out of sight. I've only heard one person speak in a positive way about him and it's a friend he hangs out with and has known for 25 years. And that made me wonder about that guy, too! Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: ScismGenie@aol.com Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:29:51 EDT In a message dated 5/15/2002 10:25:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > What a shame if that would > happen. > Isn't the guy who killed that little girl in San Diego a "prior"? Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.) ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Yeah, I figure you'd correct me on that felon stuff, Jack. <G> I know that their rights differ by states, (that's why I said "theoretically" they have no right) but it still seems like the public safety is the main issue here. I still think that if we put it to a vote, about whether their names and addresses should be posted on the internet, the voters would be in favor of it. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 12:35:54 -0500 I think people are under a little misconception as t what and to what extent convicted felons lose rights. It varies from state to state. In some states convicts can even vote, while in prison. As an ex-convict I can pretty much do what I want when it comes to rights. I can vote, be a notary, get a license to operate a business. I cannot own a gun, cannot be a state representative or senator, but I can be the governor, figure that one out. I can be a prison guard, a jailer, a private investigator, as long as I don't carry a gun. There is still a law on the books in Oklahoma that says upon discharge the state is suppose to give me a horse, saddle and a rifle !! If I wanted to get a pardon then I would get all my rights back except for the right to carry a gun. But I don't want a pardon. I can do what I want without one. Jack Childers in OKC ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Really!!! They need some signs like that at the parks and around the school grounds, and other places, like the mall, where kids congregate. Well, as for the publication of the lists, as Jeff said, CA pulled theirs from the internet. Yes, we have too many lawyers here. I think it's stupid and the error in it is so obvious that I can't believe they pulled the list. Seems to me that they're a lot more likely to get sued by someone because they couldn't access the data easily and because of that were not aware of the pervert next door that hurt their kid. What a shame if that would happen. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Telecom Girl" <telecomgirl911@hotmail.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:17:34 -0500 Jan G. I have trouble believing that we are so scared of lawsuits that we wouldn't publish information about dangerous people. My husband is from a small town in Iowa - and there - any arrest is published in the paper. Everything - domestic violence, DUI, public nuisance, it all gets printed there within a week, and all your neighbors read about why you were arrested. This information is printed before a conviction! Anyone who thinks that it is a problem to let communities know that there are felons in their neighborhood needs to understand that these are people who have lost their right to vote!! If we have deemed them so socially outcast that they can't vote, why shouldn't people be warned that they are there!! Have you seen the signs near parks and neighborhoods - Caution deaf children at play or blind children at play how about a sign - caution convicted sex offender at large! ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > Cammie, I'm glad to hear that your local sheriff hasn't been sensitive to > the threats of lawsuits for publishing the lists. I see that threat as the > biggest problem right now. And it's amazing to me that the law enforcement > people would rather cave in to that perceived threat than comply with a > national law--Megan's Law. > > I really believe that if it went to court, that Megan's law would stand and > that it would be legal to publish the complete data on the net or anywhere > else. The convicts are felons, who, theoretically, have been stripped of > their rights. And their offense is one for which there is no cure, so the > public will always be in danger from them, as long as they are alive and > outside of prison. I'd think that someone in law enforcement would welcome > the lawsuit, just to get this settled. Perhaps what is needed is a > referendum in each state on the one specific issue, publication of the name > and address of the convicted molesters. > > Jan G. > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Telecom Girl" <telecomgirl911@hotmail.com> > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 08:12:04 -0500 > > There was recently an interview on one of the news magazine shows of a > convicted child molester. He will be getting out in the next few years - > even if he is not paroled. > > He said - "I am afraid I will do this again. I don't know how to deal with > the lust I feel for children. I should not be allowed back into society. " > > What can we do about this man, and others - they have served their time, but > their problem is psychological - prison time does not abate their desire for > sexual contact with children. > > If more people went to the local police department, with a list of people - > a long list, and asked about all of them, eventually the list of offenders > would be posted somewhere - police departments can not hire someone to just > stand there and tell people if someone is a registered sex offender or not. > Encourage your neighbors to call their local "Community Policing" department > and see what they plan on doing to keep your community safe, or call the > Chief of Police, or the Mayor, go to the elected official who appoints your > police chief or sheriff and let them know this is important. > > This is why our county publishes the list quarterly in the paper. Because > they got tired of listening to us - we ELECT our Sheriff, he did not want > the bad publicity, so we get a published list in addition to the State run > website. > > Cammie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:53 PM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > > > > > Hi Mike > > > > No problem, and I do know what you mean. But, rape doesn't always happen > > with a male body part. That's why castration (surgical or chemical) > doesn't > > help. You never know what new idea they'll want to try. I don't know how > old > > a man has to be before he's not considered a threat anymore, or what > > disability there would have to be. > > > > I don't want to support the perverts in a jail or hospital either, > > lobotomized or not. But, unless they kill someone, our laws don't > presently > > allow us to kill them. So--what to do? They get out in 5-15 years as it > > stands. Sometimes less. And if we don't know who they are and where they > > are, they keep doing what they've done. > > > > Ja ng. > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "Shuler Michael" <grinch42@mindspring.com> > > Reply-To: grinch42@mindspring.com > > To: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 17:42:58 -0500 > > > > Jan, while I certainly see the point you're making (and have no > > disagreement with it), I'm going to stick my opinion in just as something > > to chew on... > > There is not SATISFACTORY cure for pedophiles, since we're talking > > orientation modification, and the only way I can think of to affect that > > would be a partial lobotomy. Which, of course, would render the offender > > incapable of endangering mankind, but would also relegate the individual > to > > be a ward of the state for the remainder of their lives. I don't know > > about Ms Garland, but I certainly wouldn't wish to support that slime > > forever! > > Since I speak from the prospective of someone who got their psychological > > training in the ministry, I'm undoubtedly slanted toward that point of > > view, but I would think that as they age the male molesters in particular > > would prove to be less of a threat due to physical limitations due to > their > > longevity. This does not mean that I think they should wander the > streets > > with other people to whom they might be a danger, I just have to believe > > (maybe because I can't look on humans as inherently evil) that at some > time > > in their dotage they would be rendered physically incapable of doing > harm. > > Child molestation is certainly a concern for me, as well as anyone else, > > since I have 8 grandchildren, and will soon have ggrandchildren, in > > addition. > > You needn't respond to this if you don't wish...I just feel the need to > > vent sometimes ;-). > > > > > > Mike > > IBSSG > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > > > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Date: 5/14/2002 4:09:18 PM > > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff, I know that all states have not been as cooperative as the law > > > intended. But some have and it's worth looking into on the net to see > if > > > it's there first. If not, then I guess one would have to got to the > > > authorities for a list and locations. > > > > > > As a side note, in CA, when a home sells, there are required > disclosures > > > about the presence of known child molesters. > > > > > > At places on line you can give your zip code and a search is done to > tell > > > you the number of convicted offenders are living in that zip code. But > it > > > doesn't give names. > > > > > > There was a committee that pushed through Megan's Law. I would hope > that > > > those dedicated people would be willing to continue that organization > as > > a > > > non-profit agency, acquiring and posting on the net the names and > > locations > > > of convicted child molesters. I wonder if they have a website or if > the > > > group still exists in some capacity. > > > > > > Since this perversion is not curable, I don't see how the public can > be > > > protected unless they either keep the convicts in prison for life or > tell > > us > > > who they are so we can be aware of who our neighbors are. If this > makes > > life > > > difficult for the molesters, so be it. It's the choice they made when > > they > > > started hurting kids. I'm not in favor of doing doing personal harm to > > the > > > perverts. Just keeping the kids away from them and making sure the > kids > > know > > > who they need to avoid and which homes and cars to never go into. > > > > > > Jan g. > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: ScismGenie@aol.com > > > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:09:12 EDT > > > > > > In a message dated 5/14/2002 10:49:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > Jack, you might want to check again on that. "Megan's Law" > (federal) > > was > > > > passed about 5 or so years ago to make that information available, > > > > especially on the internet, where it's easy to reach. > > > > > > > > > > The Flaw in Megan's Law is that it says that "law enforcement > officials > > will > > > make information available" NOT that they have to make it READILY > > > available. > > > Most jurisdictions take the vioew that if you come in to the station > and > > ask > > > about a particular PERSON, then they will say yes or no. That isn't > the > > > INTENT of the law, but it is how it is interpreted by th police > > departments, > > > who were forced to do this, but not funded to do it. > > > > > > Some "civil rights" groups are trying (sometimes successfully) to > block > > > puvblishing of the whole list, it was PULLED from the internet in > > > California, > > > which is the State where Megan was abducted. 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Yes, I know, Jeff. I was thinking about what they could come up with as a reason to go inside the guy's house. Even if the old guy doesn't have a computer, I bet there's photos in some form in his house. Jack, do you need a permit to build a tree house? Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: ScismGenie@aol.com Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:16:57 EDT In a message dated 5/15/2002 9:20:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > Jack, I wonder if the old guy has a computer. If he's got child pornography > stored in it, in CA that alone would put him in the slammer. > In order for them to "find" that out,. they would have to have probable cause to "go see", ie, a crime that hs ben investigated or in in the act of commission, or a warrant. (There is no legal way to "just go check". These guys are usually caught in a Sting operation) Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.) ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
Cammie, I'm glad to hear that your local sheriff hasn't been sensitive to the threats of lawsuits for publishing the lists. I see that threat as the biggest problem right now. And it's amazing to me that the law enforcement people would rather cave in to that perceived threat than comply with a national law--Megan's Law. I really believe that if it went to court, that Megan's law would stand and that it would be legal to publish the complete data on the net or anywhere else. The convicts are felons, who, theoretically, have been stripped of their rights. And their offense is one for which there is no cure, so the public will always be in danger from them, as long as they are alive and outside of prison. I'd think that someone in law enforcement would welcome the lawsuit, just to get this settled. Perhaps what is needed is a referendum in each state on the one specific issue, publication of the name and address of the convicted molesters. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Telecom Girl" <telecomgirl911@hotmail.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 08:12:04 -0500 There was recently an interview on one of the news magazine shows of a convicted child molester. He will be getting out in the next few years - even if he is not paroled. He said - "I am afraid I will do this again. I don't know how to deal with the lust I feel for children. I should not be allowed back into society. " What can we do about this man, and others - they have served their time, but their problem is psychological - prison time does not abate their desire for sexual contact with children. If more people went to the local police department, with a list of people - a long list, and asked about all of them, eventually the list of offenders would be posted somewhere - police departments can not hire someone to just stand there and tell people if someone is a registered sex offender or not. Encourage your neighbors to call their local "Community Policing" department and see what they plan on doing to keep your community safe, or call the Chief of Police, or the Mayor, go to the elected official who appoints your police chief or sheriff and let them know this is important. This is why our county publishes the list quarterly in the paper. Because they got tired of listening to us - we ELECT our Sheriff, he did not want the bad publicity, so we get a published list in addition to the State run website. Cammie ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > Hi Mike > > No problem, and I do know what you mean. But, rape doesn't always happen > with a male body part. That's why castration (surgical or chemical) doesn't > help. You never know what new idea they'll want to try. I don't know how old > a man has to be before he's not considered a threat anymore, or what > disability there would have to be. > > I don't want to support the perverts in a jail or hospital either, > lobotomized or not. But, unless they kill someone, our laws don't presently > allow us to kill them. So--what to do? They get out in 5-15 years as it > stands. Sometimes less. And if we don't know who they are and where they > are, they keep doing what they've done. > > Ja ng. > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Shuler Michael" <grinch42@mindspring.com> > Reply-To: grinch42@mindspring.com > To: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 17:42:58 -0500 > > Jan, while I certainly see the point you're making (and have no > disagreement with it), I'm going to stick my opinion in just as something > to chew on... > There is not SATISFACTORY cure for pedophiles, since we're talking > orientation modification, and the only way I can think of to affect that > would be a partial lobotomy. Which, of course, would render the offender > incapable of endangering mankind, but would also relegate the individual to > be a ward of the state for the remainder of their lives. I don't know > about Ms Garland, but I certainly wouldn't wish to support that slime > forever! > Since I speak from the prospective of someone who got their psychological > training in the ministry, I'm undoubtedly slanted toward that point of > view, but I would think that as they age the male molesters in particular > would prove to be less of a threat due to physical limitations due to their > longevity. This does not mean that I think they should wander the streets > with other people to whom they might be a danger, I just have to believe > (maybe because I can't look on humans as inherently evil) that at some time > in their dotage they would be rendered physically incapable of doing harm. > Child molestation is certainly a concern for me, as well as anyone else, > since I have 8 grandchildren, and will soon have ggrandchildren, in > addition. > You needn't respond to this if you don't wish...I just feel the need to > vent sometimes ;-). > > > Mike > IBSSG > > > > [Original Message] > > From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Date: 5/14/2002 4:09:18 PM > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > > > > > > > Jeff, I know that all states have not been as cooperative as the law > > intended. But some have and it's worth looking into on the net to see if > > it's there first. If not, then I guess one would have to got to the > > authorities for a list and locations. > > > > As a side note, in CA, when a home sells, there are required disclosures > > about the presence of known child molesters. > > > > At places on line you can give your zip code and a search is done to tell > > you the number of convicted offenders are living in that zip code. But it > > doesn't give names. > > > > There was a committee that pushed through Megan's Law. I would hope that > > those dedicated people would be willing to continue that organization as > a > > non-profit agency, acquiring and posting on the net the names and > locations > > of convicted child molesters. I wonder if they have a website or if the > > group still exists in some capacity. > > > > Since this perversion is not curable, I don't see how the public can be > > protected unless they either keep the convicts in prison for life or tell > us > > who they are so we can be aware of who our neighbors are. If this makes > life > > difficult for the molesters, so be it. It's the choice they made when > they > > started hurting kids. I'm not in favor of doing doing personal harm to > the > > perverts. Just keeping the kids away from them and making sure the kids > know > > who they need to avoid and which homes and cars to never go into. > > > > Jan g. > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: ScismGenie@aol.com > > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:09:12 EDT > > > > In a message dated 5/14/2002 10:49:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > > > Jack, you might want to check again on that. "Megan's Law" (federal) > was > > > passed about 5 or so years ago to make that information available, > > > especially on the internet, where it's easy to reach. > > > > > > > The Flaw in Megan's Law is that it says that "law enforcement officials > will > > make information available" NOT that they have to make it READILY > > available. > > Most jurisdictions take the vioew that if you come in to the station and > ask > > about a particular PERSON, then they will say yes or no. That isn't the > > INTENT of the law, but it is how it is interpreted by th police > departments, > > who were forced to do this, but not funded to do it. > > > > Some "civil rights" groups are trying (sometimes successfully) to block > > puvblishing of the whole list, it was PULLED from the internet in > > California, > > which is the State where Megan was abducted. 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In a message dated 5/14/02 11:08:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ScismGenie@aol.com writes: > >The police can put you in their jail for 72 hours and never even file any > >charges. > > Basically, they can do whatever they want. Especially when we are at war, there is a police state. And they are running rapid. The best advise I ever got from a smart attorney or two was, STAY OUT OF COURT, NEVER CALL THE POLICE< THEY ARE NOT YOUR FRIEND and SETTLE THE CASE, DO NOT GO TO COURT, a good attorney always tries to settle the matter without the courts.
Jack, I wonder if the old guy has a computer. If he's got child pornography stored in it, in CA that alone would put him in the slammer. jan g. << If he uses that playhouse to lure some children to his property and then does something to one of them, I wonder what they will think then ? Well, he doesn't have me fooled and I will definitely keep my eye on him.>> _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
There was recently an interview on one of the news magazine shows of a convicted child molester. He will be getting out in the next few years - even if he is not paroled. He said - "I am afraid I will do this again. I don't know how to deal with the lust I feel for children. I should not be allowed back into society. " What can we do about this man, and others - they have served their time, but their problem is psychological - prison time does not abate their desire for sexual contact with children. If more people went to the local police department, with a list of people - a long list, and asked about all of them, eventually the list of offenders would be posted somewhere - police departments can not hire someone to just stand there and tell people if someone is a registered sex offender or not. Encourage your neighbors to call their local "Community Policing" department and see what they plan on doing to keep your community safe, or call the Chief of Police, or the Mayor, go to the elected official who appoints your police chief or sheriff and let them know this is important. This is why our county publishes the list quarterly in the paper. Because they got tired of listening to us - we ELECT our Sheriff, he did not want the bad publicity, so we get a published list in addition to the State run website. Cammie ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > Hi Mike > > No problem, and I do know what you mean. But, rape doesn't always happen > with a male body part. That's why castration (surgical or chemical) doesn't > help. You never know what new idea they'll want to try. I don't know how old > a man has to be before he's not considered a threat anymore, or what > disability there would have to be. > > I don't want to support the perverts in a jail or hospital either, > lobotomized or not. But, unless they kill someone, our laws don't presently > allow us to kill them. So--what to do? They get out in 5-15 years as it > stands. Sometimes less. And if we don't know who they are and where they > are, they keep doing what they've done. > > Ja ng. > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Shuler Michael" <grinch42@mindspring.com> > Reply-To: grinch42@mindspring.com > To: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 17:42:58 -0500 > > Jan, while I certainly see the point you're making (and have no > disagreement with it), I'm going to stick my opinion in just as something > to chew on... > There is not SATISFACTORY cure for pedophiles, since we're talking > orientation modification, and the only way I can think of to affect that > would be a partial lobotomy. Which, of course, would render the offender > incapable of endangering mankind, but would also relegate the individual to > be a ward of the state for the remainder of their lives. I don't know > about Ms Garland, but I certainly wouldn't wish to support that slime > forever! > Since I speak from the prospective of someone who got their psychological > training in the ministry, I'm undoubtedly slanted toward that point of > view, but I would think that as they age the male molesters in particular > would prove to be less of a threat due to physical limitations due to their > longevity. This does not mean that I think they should wander the streets > with other people to whom they might be a danger, I just have to believe > (maybe because I can't look on humans as inherently evil) that at some time > in their dotage they would be rendered physically incapable of doing harm. > Child molestation is certainly a concern for me, as well as anyone else, > since I have 8 grandchildren, and will soon have ggrandchildren, in > addition. > You needn't respond to this if you don't wish...I just feel the need to > vent sometimes ;-). > > > Mike > IBSSG > > > > [Original Message] > > From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Date: 5/14/2002 4:09:18 PM > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > > > > > > > Jeff, I know that all states have not been as cooperative as the law > > intended. But some have and it's worth looking into on the net to see if > > it's there first. If not, then I guess one would have to got to the > > authorities for a list and locations. > > > > As a side note, in CA, when a home sells, there are required disclosures > > about the presence of known child molesters. > > > > At places on line you can give your zip code and a search is done to tell > > you the number of convicted offenders are living in that zip code. But it > > doesn't give names. > > > > There was a committee that pushed through Megan's Law. I would hope that > > those dedicated people would be willing to continue that organization as > a > > non-profit agency, acquiring and posting on the net the names and > locations > > of convicted child molesters. I wonder if they have a website or if the > > group still exists in some capacity. > > > > Since this perversion is not curable, I don't see how the public can be > > protected unless they either keep the convicts in prison for life or tell > us > > who they are so we can be aware of who our neighbors are. If this makes > life > > difficult for the molesters, so be it. It's the choice they made when > they > > started hurting kids. I'm not in favor of doing doing personal harm to > the > > perverts. Just keeping the kids away from them and making sure the kids > know > > who they need to avoid and which homes and cars to never go into. > > > > Jan g. > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: ScismGenie@aol.com > > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:09:12 EDT > > > > In a message dated 5/14/2002 10:49:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > > > Jack, you might want to check again on that. "Megan's Law" (federal) > was > > > passed about 5 or so years ago to make that information available, > > > especially on the internet, where it's easy to reach. > > > > > > > The Flaw in Megan's Law is that it says that "law enforcement officials > will > > make information available" NOT that they have to make it READILY > > available. > > Most jurisdictions take the vioew that if you come in to the station and > ask > > about a particular PERSON, then they will say yes or no. That isn't the > > INTENT of the law, but it is how it is interpreted by th police > departments, > > who were forced to do this, but not funded to do it. > > > > Some "civil rights" groups are trying (sometimes successfully) to block > > puvblishing of the whole list, it was PULLED from the internet in > > California, > > which is the State where Megan was abducted. (Where were these lawyers > when > > the victim's rights were violated?) > > > > Check on the internet for "Megan's Law" and see what is happening > > nationally. > > > > > > Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) > > ~~ > > Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site > > Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b > Site > > manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: > > B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, > E n > > d i c o t t, > > S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill > Co. > > Nv.) > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > scribe > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go > > to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > scribe > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > --- Shuler Michael > --- grinch42@mindspring.com > --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. 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Take a peek inside a million dollar home OKLAHOMA CITY, May 14 - It's a beautiful home hidden away in the middle of Nichols Hills. The setting is calming, peaceful and serene -- almost like you're in a quaint Mexican village. Once you enter these handcrafted iron gates, your journey into old world Mexico begins. The patio is Cantera stone. It's made in Mexico. It was all brought from Mexico, carved especially to go here. The fountain is four women. They look like they're down at the river washing clothes or doing some sort of chores. As you enter this 6900-square-foot Mexican mansion, you'll notice the arched doorways and windows. It gives a very peaceful, comfortable feeling. Curves are always more interesting and more comfortable than straight doorways. In the living room there is a fireplace with serpents holding up the mantle. "I've been collecting things from Mexico for probably about 20 years. The serpent heads were actually carved in Mexico," said Sally Harry, the home's owner. The kitchen has a lot of counter surface, all granite. The floor is wooden dowels surrounded by the Cantera stone. Now, on to the master bedroom, where there are two big double doors entering the master bedroom. There's metal inlay in the doors. "We weren't sure how we were going to use these when we bought them but it turned out that they made a great insert into the wooden doors," Harry said. The TV comes out of a piece of furniture at the foot of the bed. And, of course, it's turned on to Oklahoma's NewsChannel 4. When people walk into this bathroom they are just stunned. The master bathroom is a circular room surrounded by windows featuring a most unusual mermaid fountain in the center. She makes the most restful sound. She's very peaceful and quiet, it makes great sleeping you feel like you're at the beach or a mountain stream going by. The patio is off the living room. It's very quiet and peaceful and a very nice place to live. One more note: the marble floors in one of the bathrooms are heated. Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com
You all may remember the case I mentioned to the list last year about the dirty old man living down the street from us, the one who wanted Kade and another little girl to come into his house and help him search for his lost puppy (lost in his house no less !!), the one who took pictures of the young teenage girl doing housework for him in her bikini. Well, I reported him to the police, I guess just for general perverted looking behavior, since he hadn't done anything specific. Turns out his own family had reported him years ago for suspected molestion on one of his nieces . Nothing ever came of the investigation I started. I noticed the other day he is building a tree house in one of his trees. This is an old man, probably in his 60's. Now just what does he need with a tree house, except to lure young children onto his property !!! Several of his neighbors came to his defense over my allegations and tried to turn me into the bad guy, just a trouble maker. If he uses ! that playhouse to lure some children to his property and then does something to one of them, I wonder what they will think then ? Well, he doesn't have me fooled and I will definitely keep my eye on him. By the way, child molesters are fixated with children. That's why they don't change. Its rather like an addiction. Jack Childers in OKC
I first heard of that no charge in 72 hours when a neighbor of mine here in OKC was arrested. He is a handy man, yard person. I think they originally pulled him over for suspicion of drunk driving, but that wouldn't have panned out because I don't think he drinks at all. But they put him in jail for 72 hours, impounded his truck, left the windows open and it rained all inside his truck. I was amazed they could put someone in jail for three days and then just turn them loose with no explanation, no apology, nothing, so I called an attorney and he educated me on the subject. And, I don't remember the exact date, but I really believe my neighbor was put in jail before 9-11. Jack Childers in OKC
Once upon a time, back when I was younger and more naive (if possible), I had foolishly made the statement that if a person had a son and a daughter and they were raised exactly the same in every way, the children would turn out very similarly; that, other than the obvious physiological differences there should be no other differences between the two if raised identically. Uh huh. Right! Then, my son joined his older sister and, boy! Did I ever back up on that ridiculous line of thinking!!! Carrying this another step further, I am just amazed at the personality differences in this new colt (male) as compared to his full older sister of last spring! He's only 4 days old today and already so much more bold and aggressive and, well, just more boy! The funniest thing is that his mother treats him differently than she did with Cybil too. I'm really astounded at so much difference and at such a young age and now guess that some things never change no matter what the species. Let's hear it for that testosterone and the Y chromosome! ;-) Eh, well..... *shrug* Best, SueB
> Well, you have a horse, don't you? <g> Does that count? < Only when it comes time to pay the feed bill!!! LOL Best, SueB
In a message dated 5/14/2002 7:00:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jaxone1234@msn.com writes: > The police can put you in their jail for 72 hours and never even file any > charges. > That is the federal standard, you must be (scheduled) for arraignment within seventy-two hours of arrest, (someplaces don't count weekends and holidays, so this could stretch to six days if arrested on a friday preceding a holiday weekend.) Sometime during that first period you have to have a hearing and be officially charged. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)
"J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> wrote.... > Hmmm, does Clint yodel? <G> < He *is* a CW singer, right? LOL I'm about 99% sure that yodeling is a prerequisite. Oh, and, yes, I can yodel (Swiss heritage there!) but I have NO resemblance to Roy! *big grin* Best, SueB
"JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> wrote... >.... I told them that betwen the scene of the arrest and the arrival at the jail that they should have to be shot and killed while attempting to escape custody....< Which is what I told Bobby would've happened to O.J. had he been anyone else except who he is/was. As it is, he was given what became the first recorded 'escorted' police chase ever televised, I think. Eh, well, so much for beating dead horses..... :-\ Best, SueB