Why doesn't he just hire someone to take care of his mother and he can do the house work. There needs to be a big Red P painted on his house for pervert. I am sorry that you can not get a gun for protecting you and yours, but Jack there are some people, convicts or not, I would not like to see own a gun Whitewolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > The old guy has never been married and has no children. Its just he and his ancient, bedridden mother living there, and she never gets out of the bed. That's the excuse he uses for hiring these teenage girls to do housework for him. He is too busy tending to mama to do any housework. Sounds very good indeed, except for the clause that the girls have to wear their bathing suits while doing the housework. > > And yes, that's just exactly why he is building the tree house, it is bait, something to lure the children in. I don't know how long it will be before he gets full of just watching young children and starts wanting to be physical. > > Jack Childers in OKC > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

They do the same thing in Stanwood, WA Whitewolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Telecom Girl" <telecomgirl911@hotmail.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > Jan G. > > I have trouble believing that we are so scared of lawsuits that we wouldn't > publish information about dangerous people. > My husband is from a small town in Iowa - and there - any arrest is > published in the paper. Everything - domestic violence, DUI, public > nuisance, it all gets printed there within a week, and all your neighbors > read about why you were arrested. This information is printed before a > conviction! Anyone who thinks that it is a problem to let communities know > that there are felons in their neighborhood needs to understand that these > are people who have lost their right to vote!! If we have deemed them so > socially outcast that they can't vote, why shouldn't people be warned that > they are there!! > > Have you seen the signs near parks and neighborhoods - Caution deaf children > at play or blind children at play how about a sign - caution convicted sex > offender at large! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:00 PM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > > > > > Cammie, I'm glad to hear that your local sheriff hasn't been sensitive to > > the threats of lawsuits for publishing the lists. I see that threat as the > > biggest problem right now. And it's amazing to me that the law enforcement > > people would rather cave in to that perceived threat than comply with a > > national law--Megan's Law. > > > > I really believe that if it went to court, that Megan's law would stand > and > > that it would be legal to publish the complete data on the net or anywhere > > else. The convicts are felons, who, theoretically, have been stripped of > > their rights. And their offense is one for which there is no cure, so the > > public will always be in danger from them, as long as they are alive and > > outside of prison. I'd think that someone in law enforcement would welcome > > the lawsuit, just to get this settled. Perhaps what is needed is a > > referendum in each state on the one specific issue, publication of the > name > > and address of the convicted molesters. > > > > Jan G. > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "Telecom Girl" <telecomgirl911@hotmail.com> > > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 08:12:04 -0500 > > > > There was recently an interview on one of the news magazine shows of a > > convicted child molester. He will be getting out in the next few years - > > even if he is not paroled. > > > > He said - "I am afraid I will do this again. I don't know how to deal with > > the lust I feel for children. I should not be allowed back into society. " > > > > What can we do about this man, and others - they have served their time, > but > > their problem is psychological - prison time does not abate their desire > for > > sexual contact with children. > > > > If more people went to the local police department, with a list of > people - > > a long list, and asked about all of them, eventually the list of offenders > > would be posted somewhere - police departments can not hire someone to > just > > stand there and tell people if someone is a registered sex offender or > not. > > Encourage your neighbors to call their local "Community Policing" > department > > and see what they plan on doing to keep your community safe, or call the > > Chief of Police, or the Mayor, go to the elected official who appoints > your > > police chief or sheriff and let them know this is important. > > > > This is why our county publishes the list quarterly in the paper. Because > > they got tired of listening to us - we ELECT our Sheriff, he did not want > > the bad publicity, so we get a published list in addition to the State run > > website. > > > > Cammie > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:53 PM > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mike > > > > > > No problem, and I do know what you mean. But, rape doesn't always > happen > > > with a male body part. That's why castration (surgical or chemical) > > doesn't > > > help. You never know what new idea they'll want to try. I don't know > how > > old > > > a man has to be before he's not considered a threat anymore, or what > > > disability there would have to be. > > > > > > I don't want to support the perverts in a jail or hospital either, > > > lobotomized or not. But, unless they kill someone, our laws don't > > presently > > > allow us to kill them. So--what to do? They get out in 5-15 years as it > > > stands. Sometimes less. And if we don't know who they are and where > they > > > are, they keep doing what they've done. > > > > > > Ja ng. > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: "Shuler Michael" <grinch42@mindspring.com> > > > Reply-To: grinch42@mindspring.com > > > To: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 17:42:58 -0500 > > > > > > Jan, while I certainly see the point you're making (and have no > > > disagreement with it), I'm going to stick my opinion in just as > something > > > to chew on... > > > There is not SATISFACTORY cure for pedophiles, since we're talking > > > orientation modification, and the only way I can think of to affect > that > > > would be a partial lobotomy. Which, of course, would render the > offender > > > incapable of endangering mankind, but would also relegate the > individual > > to > > > be a ward of the state for the remainder of their lives. I don't know > > > about Ms Garland, but I certainly wouldn't wish to support that slime > > > forever! > > > Since I speak from the prospective of someone who got their > psychological > > > training in the ministry, I'm undoubtedly slanted toward that point of > > > view, but I would think that as they age the male molesters in > particular > > > would prove to be less of a threat due to physical limitations due to > > their > > > longevity. This does not mean that I think they should wander the > > streets > > > with other people to whom they might be a danger, I just have to > believe > > > (maybe because I can't look on humans as inherently evil) that at some > > time > > > in their dotage they would be rendered physically incapable of doing > > harm. > > > Child molestation is certainly a concern for me, as well as anyone > else, > > > since I have 8 grandchildren, and will soon have ggrandchildren, in > > > addition. > > > You needn't respond to this if you don't wish...I just feel the need to > > > vent sometimes ;-). > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > IBSSG > > > > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > > > > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Date: 5/14/2002 4:09:18 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff, I know that all states have not been as cooperative as the law > > > > intended. But some have and it's worth looking into on the net to > see > > if > > > > it's there first. If not, then I guess one would have to got to the > > > > authorities for a list and locations. > > > > > > > > As a side note, in CA, when a home sells, there are required > > disclosures > > > > about the presence of known child molesters. > > > > > > > > At places on line you can give your zip code and a search is done to > > tell > > > > you the number of convicted offenders are living in that zip code. > But > > it > > > > doesn't give names. > > > > > > > > There was a committee that pushed through Megan's Law. I would hope > > that > > > > those dedicated people would be willing to continue that > organization > > as > > > a > > > > non-profit agency, acquiring and posting on the net the names and > > > locations > > > > of convicted child molesters. I wonder if they have a website or if > > the > > > > group still exists in some capacity. > > > > > > > > Since this perversion is not curable, I don't see how the public can > > be > > > > protected unless they either keep the convicts in prison for life or > > tell > > > us > > > > who they are so we can be aware of who our neighbors are. If this > > makes > > > life > > > > difficult for the molesters, so be it. It's the choice they made > when > > > they > > > > started hurting kids. I'm not in favor of doing doing personal harm > to > > > the > > > > perverts. Just keeping the kids away from them and making sure the > > kids > > > know > > > > who they need to avoid and which homes and cars to never go into. > > > > > > > > Jan g. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > From: ScismGenie@aol.com > > > > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > > > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Subject: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > > > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:09:12 EDT > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/14/2002 10:49:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jack, you might want to check again on that. "Megan's Law" > > (federal) > > > was > > > > > passed about 5 or so years ago to make that information > available, > > > > > especially on the internet, where it's easy to reach. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Flaw in Megan's Law is that it says that "law enforcement > > officials > > > will > > > > make information available" NOT that they have to make it READILY > > > > available. > > > > Most jurisdictions take the vioew that if you come in to the station > > and > > > ask > > > > about a particular PERSON, then they will say yes or no. That isn't > > the > > > > INTENT of the law, but it is how it is interpreted by th police > > > departments, > > > > who were forced to do this, but not funded to do it. > > > > > > > > Some "civil rights" groups are trying (sometimes successfully) to > > block > > > > puvblishing of the whole list, it was PULLED from the internet in > > > > California, > > > > which is the State where Megan was abducted. 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Very funny! Sounds like someone at Buck House had fun starting a hoax. Or maybe the telephone company?? Seems like it would be tough to get a number like that. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mellie" <Mel@i12.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat]Amusin myself today!!! Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 22:51:35 +0100 I sent a text message from my "cellphone" (mobile to us brits) to several of my friends, telling them that I needed them to call me urgently and I had a weak signal and could not dial out, the message said to ask f r Elixabeth who runs the place and she would come and get me! ( irecieved this same message from someone else originally) followed by the phone number, so my friends duly dialled the number to get a recorded message from BUCKINGHAM PALACE" telling them it was a hoax, and this line was being disconnected, but it was genuinely Buck House LOLCLOL Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? ListAdmin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. No attachments sent without prior notification Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

In a message dated 5/15/02 12:20:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > <<If he uses that playhouse to lure some children to his property and then > does something to one of them, I wonder what they will think then ? > > Well, he doesn't have me fooled and I will definitely keep my eye on him.>> > He might be using the tree house to climb up and see what he can see. Scouting or if in view of any windows peeping. Just a though. Although he may be too old to climb up there.

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Yes, I realized that later. Well, it was still a funny story, but I'm sure it wasn't at the time. Push chair must be a stroller for the kids? Glad it was "only" a quarter mile. I recall having a flat tire one day on the freeway 18 years ago, called home, where hubby #1 was resting comfortably on his couch, remote firmly in hand. Called from my cell phone and he told me to call so-and-so to come help out. He was too "busy" and didn't want to change the tire for me. I was maybe 2 miles from home. That's my only flat-tire/lost wheel story... You've got me beat. <g> Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mellie" <Mel@i12.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Re: British movies Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 21:57:19 +0100 HanG, it WASN'T a punchline its true!!!, only had the 2 boys at the time in the car with me, had no pushchair, had to leave the car abandoned in the middle of the road drive shaft sticking in the tarmac. walk a quarter mile home to get the pushchair and the Jack, walk back to the car put the whel back on taking a nut off each of the others to get the car home! I was not a happy bunny, and have never had fancy wheels on a car since nor chrome wheel nuts! Kids dad was not impressed at teh damage to the car, our friends were hysterical with laughter! Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? ListAdmin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. No attachments sent without prior notification Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

In a message dated 5/15/2002 11:05:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > I figure that the tree house was built because it's an attraction. Some kids > > won't bother to ask permission, they'll just climb the fence. > > jan G. > EXACTLY, it is BAIT. Now if the guy had his own Grandkids or kids living with him, probably no biggee, but a 60ish man building a treehouse, and no resident children IS suspicious. (Dirty old man is a euphemism for "pervert". or Molestor) I think when I grew up theere were several "dirty old men" around, but we as children were just told " stay away from that "dirty old man".", and not given details. I am not sure when the terminology and public outrage grew into an active "tracking" of these old men ( and Old women, too). ( I do remember an older lady "inviting me in" while a teen, although I think it didn't go anywhere, when I was about 13, I remember I decided to leave before I got an "education".) She wa "just too old", probably about 50. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

ScismGenie@aol.com writes > problem is that he has to have DONE something before the Police can even > 'open" an investigation. Otherwise we would have a true gestapo state. Yes - before they can open an investigation, but police patrol to prevent these kinds of things - if you clue them in on suspicious people and activity - then they can look for those people. They can talk to people on the streets - just to talk to them, if you don't want to talk - you don't have to. You need probable cause to search, not to talk. Police can ask you for consent to search without probable cause. There are lots of things police can do without probable cause. Probable cause is required for things that are invasive, searches etc... Every day before their shifts, police officers meet and are shown photos of suspicious people, they are informed of suspicious activity. Suspicious not just criminal activity. They will talk to these people when they see them, it is a deterrant. If you are known to the police - (even if you are not a known criminal) you are less likely to be asking kids to come to your treehouse!! If the police drive by 5 times a day, etc... This is the reason there are huge Community policing grants... to educate people on what the police can do with information on suspicious activity, not just criminal activity. See if your police department has community policing, they are set up specifically for issues like this.

The old guy has never been married and has no children. Its just he and his ancient, bedridden mother living there, and she never gets out of the bed. That's the excuse he uses for hiring these teenage girls to do housework for him. He is too busy tending to mama to do any housework. Sounds very good indeed, except for the clause that the girls have to wear their bathing suits while doing the housework. And yes, that's just exactly why he is building the tree house, it is bait, something to lure the children in. I don't know how long it will be before he gets full of just watching young children and starts wanting to be physical. Jack Childers in OKC

Oh no, he and I have had it out, right out in the middle of the street several times. Aside from the time he asked Kade to come into his house to search for the lost dog, he once had Kade accompanying him down the street passing out party invitations, had her in his car doing some sort of 'neighborhood association activities', he has been knocked on his butt by boyfriends of some of the girls he videotaped in their bathing suits. His back yard is huge and he offers it to the cheer leading squad for them to practice in, while he stands in the house and video tapes them turning cart wheels. Just good wholesome things like that ! I didn't mince any words with him about things, I point blank told him I thought he was a freak and for him to leave my little girl alone for the rest of his life or I would do a number on him. I left it up to him to figure out what kind of a number I would do on him. He knows I called the police on him. The cops went to his house and questioned! him and he as mad as a wet hen about it. Tough. Nope, I don't think he will be offering me cookies and milk any time soon. If he did I would have the police test them for poison ! Jack Childers in OKC ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Garland Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:28 PM To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law Oh. So, it's not like you could take him a plate of cookies and invite yourself in for a spell, eh? have a little look-see, give the cops a reason to go in? Jan G. <<I have badmouthed him to everyone living around here and told him to sue me if he didn't appreciate it. Jack Childers in OKC>> _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

In a message dated 5/15/2002 10:32:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, telecomgirl911@hotmail.com writes: > There really isn't anything worse for police than crimes against children. > It really eats at my husband when he has to investigate this stuff. Many > times he has gone to investigate abuse or death of a child and the > neighbors > say "I always knew there was something strange about that guy".. Too bad > they wouldn't have warned somebody else! > The problem is that he has to have DONE something before the Police can even 'open" an investigation. Otherwise we would have a true gestapo state. The Concept of Innocent until proven guilty, is a "in court" concept, and doesn't reflect the facts that persons who do these things oftn hve preliminary events , that in Hindsight, are always a cause for remorse, adn cries of "why didn't I see this coming?". We do have RIGHTS, and although they sometimes seem to get in the way, think about where we would be without them. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

It is always a good idea to tip off the local police of suspicious activity - an old man with a tree house seems suspicious - paired with your other evidence, this should be enough for the police to at least increase the patrols around the local park, where they could be watching for him to approach some children. There really isn't anything worse for police than crimes against children. It really eats at my husband when he has to investigate this stuff. Many times he has gone to investigate abuse or death of a child and the neighbors say "I always knew there was something strange about that guy".. Too bad they wouldn't have warned somebody else! ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > > Yes, I know, Jeff. I was thinking about what they could come up with as a > reason to go inside the guy's house. Even if the old guy doesn't have a > computer, I bet there's photos in some form in his house. > > Jack, do you need a permit to build a tree house? > > Jan G. > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: ScismGenie@aol.com > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:16:57 EDT > > In a message dated 5/15/2002 9:20:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > > > > Jack, I wonder if the old guy has a computer. If he's got child > pornography > > stored in it, in CA that alone would put him in the slammer. > > > > In order for them to "find" that out,. they would have to have probable > cause > to "go see", ie, a crime that hs ben investigated or in in the act of > commission, or a warrant. > > (There is no legal way to "just go check". These guys are usually caught in > a > Sting operation) > > > Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) > ~~ > Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site > Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site > manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: > B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n > d i c o t t, > S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. > Nv.) > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com is a wide spectrum Chat List, Topics allowed are almost anything.restrictions are: > Political discussion, religious prosylitizing, and aggressive behavior, any of these topics will result in restricted priveleges. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

In a message dated 5/15/2002 10:25:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > What a shame if that would > happen. > Isn't the guy who killed that little girl in San Diego a "prior"? Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

Jan G. I have trouble believing that we are so scared of lawsuits that we wouldn't publish information about dangerous people. My husband is from a small town in Iowa - and there - any arrest is published in the paper. Everything - domestic violence, DUI, public nuisance, it all gets printed there within a week, and all your neighbors read about why you were arrested. This information is printed before a conviction! Anyone who thinks that it is a problem to let communities know that there are felons in their neighborhood needs to understand that these are people who have lost their right to vote!! If we have deemed them so socially outcast that they can't vote, why shouldn't people be warned that they are there!! Have you seen the signs near parks and neighborhoods - Caution deaf children at play or blind children at play how about a sign - caution convicted sex offender at large! ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > Cammie, I'm glad to hear that your local sheriff hasn't been sensitive to > the threats of lawsuits for publishing the lists. I see that threat as the > biggest problem right now. And it's amazing to me that the law enforcement > people would rather cave in to that perceived threat than comply with a > national law--Megan's Law. > > I really believe that if it went to court, that Megan's law would stand and > that it would be legal to publish the complete data on the net or anywhere > else. The convicts are felons, who, theoretically, have been stripped of > their rights. And their offense is one for which there is no cure, so the > public will always be in danger from them, as long as they are alive and > outside of prison. I'd think that someone in law enforcement would welcome > the lawsuit, just to get this settled. Perhaps what is needed is a > referendum in each state on the one specific issue, publication of the name > and address of the convicted molesters. > > Jan G. > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Telecom Girl" <telecomgirl911@hotmail.com> > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 08:12:04 -0500 > > There was recently an interview on one of the news magazine shows of a > convicted child molester. He will be getting out in the next few years - > even if he is not paroled. > > He said - "I am afraid I will do this again. I don't know how to deal with > the lust I feel for children. I should not be allowed back into society. " > > What can we do about this man, and others - they have served their time, but > their problem is psychological - prison time does not abate their desire for > sexual contact with children. > > If more people went to the local police department, with a list of people - > a long list, and asked about all of them, eventually the list of offenders > would be posted somewhere - police departments can not hire someone to just > stand there and tell people if someone is a registered sex offender or not. > Encourage your neighbors to call their local "Community Policing" department > and see what they plan on doing to keep your community safe, or call the > Chief of Police, or the Mayor, go to the elected official who appoints your > police chief or sheriff and let them know this is important. > > This is why our county publishes the list quarterly in the paper. Because > they got tired of listening to us - we ELECT our Sheriff, he did not want > the bad publicity, so we get a published list in addition to the State run > website. > > Cammie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:53 PM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > > > > > Hi Mike > > > > No problem, and I do know what you mean. But, rape doesn't always happen > > with a male body part. That's why castration (surgical or chemical) > doesn't > > help. You never know what new idea they'll want to try. I don't know how > old > > a man has to be before he's not considered a threat anymore, or what > > disability there would have to be. > > > > I don't want to support the perverts in a jail or hospital either, > > lobotomized or not. But, unless they kill someone, our laws don't > presently > > allow us to kill them. So--what to do? They get out in 5-15 years as it > > stands. Sometimes less. And if we don't know who they are and where they > > are, they keep doing what they've done. > > > > Ja ng. > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "Shuler Michael" <grinch42@mindspring.com> > > Reply-To: grinch42@mindspring.com > > To: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 17:42:58 -0500 > > > > Jan, while I certainly see the point you're making (and have no > > disagreement with it), I'm going to stick my opinion in just as something > > to chew on... > > There is not SATISFACTORY cure for pedophiles, since we're talking > > orientation modification, and the only way I can think of to affect that > > would be a partial lobotomy. Which, of course, would render the offender > > incapable of endangering mankind, but would also relegate the individual > to > > be a ward of the state for the remainder of their lives. I don't know > > about Ms Garland, but I certainly wouldn't wish to support that slime > > forever! > > Since I speak from the prospective of someone who got their psychological > > training in the ministry, I'm undoubtedly slanted toward that point of > > view, but I would think that as they age the male molesters in particular > > would prove to be less of a threat due to physical limitations due to > their > > longevity. This does not mean that I think they should wander the > streets > > with other people to whom they might be a danger, I just have to believe > > (maybe because I can't look on humans as inherently evil) that at some > time > > in their dotage they would be rendered physically incapable of doing > harm. > > Child molestation is certainly a concern for me, as well as anyone else, > > since I have 8 grandchildren, and will soon have ggrandchildren, in > > addition. > > You needn't respond to this if you don't wish...I just feel the need to > > vent sometimes ;-). > > > > > > Mike > > IBSSG > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: J. Garland <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> > > > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Date: 5/14/2002 4:09:18 PM > > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeff, I know that all states have not been as cooperative as the law > > > intended. But some have and it's worth looking into on the net to see > if > > > it's there first. If not, then I guess one would have to got to the > > > authorities for a list and locations. > > > > > > As a side note, in CA, when a home sells, there are required > disclosures > > > about the presence of known child molesters. > > > > > > At places on line you can give your zip code and a search is done to > tell > > > you the number of convicted offenders are living in that zip code. But > it > > > doesn't give names. > > > > > > There was a committee that pushed through Megan's Law. I would hope > that > > > those dedicated people would be willing to continue that organization > as > > a > > > non-profit agency, acquiring and posting on the net the names and > > locations > > > of convicted child molesters. I wonder if they have a website or if > the > > > group still exists in some capacity. > > > > > > Since this perversion is not curable, I don't see how the public can > be > > > protected unless they either keep the convicts in prison for life or > tell > > us > > > who they are so we can be aware of who our neighbors are. If this > makes > > life > > > difficult for the molesters, so be it. It's the choice they made when > > they > > > started hurting kids. I'm not in favor of doing doing personal harm to > > the > > > perverts. Just keeping the kids away from them and making sure the > kids > > know > > > who they need to avoid and which homes and cars to never go into. > > > > > > Jan g. > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: ScismGenie@aol.com > > > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 16:09:12 EDT > > > > > > In a message dated 5/14/2002 10:49:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > > > > > > Jack, you might want to check again on that. "Megan's Law" > (federal) > > was > > > > passed about 5 or so years ago to make that information available, > > > > especially on the internet, where it's easy to reach. > > > > > > > > > > The Flaw in Megan's Law is that it says that "law enforcement > officials > > will > > > make information available" NOT that they have to make it READILY > > > available. > > > Most jurisdictions take the vioew that if you come in to the station > and > > ask > > > about a particular PERSON, then they will say yes or no. That isn't > the > > > INTENT of the law, but it is how it is interpreted by th police > > departments, > > > who were forced to do this, but not funded to do it. > > > > > > Some "civil rights" groups are trying (sometimes successfully) to > block > > > puvblishing of the whole list, it was PULLED from the internet in > > > California, > > > which is the State where Megan was abducted. 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In a message dated 5/15/2002 9:20:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > Jack, I wonder if the old guy has a computer. If he's got child pornography > stored in it, in CA that alone would put him in the slammer. > In order for them to "find" that out,. they would have to have probable cause to "go see", ie, a crime that hs ben investigated or in in the act of commission, or a warrant. (There is no legal way to "just go check". These guys are usually caught in a Sting operation) Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

Not being contrary or antagonistic, but I am a little leery of what the voters want. I am too much a student of history to favor majority rule. There have been too many cases where the majority would have done the wrong thing. But I know what you mean anyway. Crime, especially against children, always brings forth strong emotions. Each case of an ex-convict should be judged individually. I personally think I should be allowed to possess a gun. I live in a large city where we have entirely too many home invasions, gang related drive by shootings, and I have a small child in my home. If I were to be home invaded there would be nothing I could do to defend us. I don't want to kill anyone. If I did it would be no problem for me to locate a gun to do it with, legal or otherwise. I know too many ex-convicts to ever have to worry about finding anything illegal to do !! I bet I could have an automatic weapon in my living room within 30 minutes if I so desired. But I am straight and clean because that's what I choose to be. And its the same with everyone. No one is upright because we have to be. We are so because we choose to be that way. By the way, I have a state senator interested in introducing a bill that would allow an ex-offender to obtain a gun after so many years of clean living. Probably won't ever get out of committee, but at least I am trying . It really worries me that I can't protect Kade in our home. Jack Childers in OKC

"JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> wrote.... >.... There is still a law on the books in Oklahoma that says upon discharge the state is suppose to give me a horse, saddle and a rifle !! < Hey, Jack, that might be worth checking into! You could always sell 'em and keep the $$. ;-) Best, SueB

Hey, this old guy is so outrageous that even though his own family filed sexual molestation charges against him (unproved), and he has displayed all the things I related, he is president of the neighborhood association, he throws street parties for all the kids in the neighborhood. Worse yet, he even has a clown costume !!! Holy shades of Wayne Gacey. And I don't pay any attention to any of that, it doesn't impress me or fool me. He is a pervert, I know one when I see one, and I keep a sharp eye on him. Its going to be too bad when he proves me right at the risk of some child, but it won't be a child of mine he gets ahold of. In fact it would surprise me if he got any kid in this neighborhood. I have badmouthed him to everyone living around here and told him to sue me if he didn't appreciate it. Jack Childers in OKC ----- Original Message ----- From: Telecom Girl Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:39 PM To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law It is always a good idea to tip off the local police of suspicious activity - an old man with a tree house seems suspicious - paired with your other evidence, this should be enough for the police to at least increase the patrols around the local park, where they could be watching for him to approach some children. There really isn't anything worse for police than crimes against children. It really eats at my husband when he has to investigate this stuff. Many times he has gone to investigate abuse or death of a child and the neighbors say "I always knew there was something strange about that guy".. Too bad they wouldn't have warned somebody else! ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > > > Yes, I know, Jeff. I was thinking about what they could come up with as a > reason to go inside the guy's house. Even if the old guy doesn't have a > computer, I bet there's photos in some form in his house. > > Jack, do you need a permit to build a tree house? > > Jan G. > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: ScismGenie@aol.com > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BSChat] Megan's Law > Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:16:57 EDT > > In a message dated 5/15/2002 9:20:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > > > > Jack, I wonder if the old guy has a computer. If he's got child > pornography > > stored in it, in CA that alone would put him in the slammer. > > > > In order for them to "find" that out,. they would have to have probable > cause > to "go see", ie, a crime that hs ben investigated or in in the act of > commission, or a warrant. > > (There is no legal way to "just go check". These guys are usually caught in > a > Sting operation) > > > Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) > ~~ > Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site > Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site > manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: > B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n > d i c o t t, > S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. > Nv.) > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com is a wide spectrum Chat List, Topics allowed are almost anything.restrictions are: > Political discussion, religious prosylitizing, and aggressive behavior, any of these topics will result in restricted priveleges. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

The old guy lives in a historically registered house and has tons of videos in his house that he says he needs to document any changes and improvements he has made to the house. The police even reviewed some of the videos and found shots of young teenage girls in bathing suits, but the old guy explained it away as the girls just happened to be included in the shots as he shot the film. Imagine that. You don't need a permit to build anything on your property unless it is added on to something already built on your property. No one who goes in and out of the old guys house would tell me if he has a computer or not. Jeff is right, they could only address his computer if he were actively being investigated, and even then only if the computer could have been involved in what he was being investigated for. Its kind of tersely funny. Me and a very few others on one side of the fence saying, watch the old guy, and the others on the other side saying, don't pay any attention to Jack and those others, they are just wackos. Jack Childers in OKC

I think people are under a little misconception as t what and to what extent convicted felons lose rights. It varies from state to state. In some states convicts can even vote, while in prison. As an ex-convict I can pretty much do what I want when it comes to rights. I can vote, be a notary, get a license to operate a business. I cannot own a gun, cannot be a state representative or senator, but I can be the governor, figure that one out. I can be a prison guard, a jailer, a private investigator, as long as I don't carry a gun. There is still a law on the books in Oklahoma that says upon discharge the state is suppose to give me a horse, saddle and a rifle !! If I wanted to get a pardon then I would get all my rights back except for the right to carry a gun. But I don't want a pardon. I can do what I want without one. Jack Childers in OKC