Shirley, I maybe misinterpreting your question, if so, let me know. It sounds like you're wondering if the DNA tests identify certain traits specific to Native Americans by "markers" that show up in DNA. To the best of my knowledge, the tests will supposedly identify connections to other family members by "markers" that they have in common. There's no way, from the DNA tests that they're doing, to tell you what genetic traits those "markers" are associated with. That is something that the Genome Project would be more likely to be involved with. As for finding out if you have NA ancestors, the only way they could do that is by finding that your DNA has "markers" in common with a known NA family. But, it won't tell you what those "markers" represent in physical traits. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "bobert" <bobert@i-1.net> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BSChat] DNA TESTING Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:16:55 -0700 Hi, Sheepers! Certain groups of people and some families are very interested in participating in DNA testing. This line of inquiry seems to be going on in several surname lists/digests. Any of you know how a DNA test determines if one has Native American ancestors? What is found in the blood sample that is so different from other ethnic groups or racial bloodlines - is there a certain 'marker' that is present? Very curious! Shirley: bobert@i-1.net _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

In a message dated 5/17/2002 8:26:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jaxone1234@msn.com writes: > She did that out of indifference. But this friend of Kade's, I don't know > why her mama don't make her go to school. The mama seems to love the litle > girl, just facilitates her not going to school. > I hope tht Kade understands this. I also hope that Kade can see her friend's lack of motivation is the cause of her own being held back. One of life's lessons is to not accept the misplaced blame. It is a maturity issue and an issue of denial on the part of the other child. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

Kade is extremely sensitive and get her feelings hurt easily. She will break out in tears at the drop of a hat. Yesterday one of her friends, who is not passing in school this years, told Kade, very dramatically, that its all Kade's fault that she failed. This little girl is Kade's best friend and she says that because Kade cries so much the other kids tease her and since they know the other little girl is Kade's best friend they make fun of her also for being friends with such a cry baby, therefore she can't hold her head up and consequently she stays home from school and missed so many days that she is failing ! How's that for reasoning !!??!! Actually, she is filthy lazy, won't get up out of bed in time to go to school and her mother is sick a lot so mama doesn't make her go to school. My mother use to do the same thing with me when I was in the 6th grade. I would not get out of bed and the school would call and mother would pound on our common wall to see if I was still in bed, and when I mumbled something, anything, I would hear her tell the principal that I was sick that day. She did that out of indifference. But this friend of Kade's, I don't know why her mama don't make her go to school. The mama seems to love the litle girl, just facilitates her not going to school. Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com

"JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> wrote.... >.... But then these other little girls come knocking at the door looking so sweet and innocent, promising to be just the best little girls in the whole wide world,....< Ah, yes, the vixen call of the juvenile Siren. Beware!! LOL Best, SueB

Ah yes, Sue, I already knew that little girls do their best when there are only two of them together, and believe me, I try my best to enforce that rule at my house. But then these other little girls come knocking at the door looking so sweet and innocent, promising to be just the best little girls in the whole wide world, and it throws me off my hard line Master Sergeant role, much to my regret five minutes later ! Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com

"JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> wrote..... >.... ended up with four little girls who decided to go to another friend's house down the street, went home to fix a cup of coffee when WW III broke out, the girls were fighting, ....< LOL, Jack! Well, didja learn anything from all of that? Having been a little girl (back sometime during the Medieval period) and having raised 2 of my own, I can testify to the fact that these creatures work best when they're in pairs. Any more multiples than that and it's like putting a "Kick Me Hard" sign on your own back!! Been there, done that! ;-) Best, SueB

<HBalc27124@aol.com> wrote.... > Pretty vacuuous huh? > Terri > P.S.. Did I win?< Gee, Terri, sounds like y'all have got me beat, maybe. ;-) Best, SueB

"Sharon Workman" <workman@dreamscape.com> wrote... > I am playing marbles and watching the Yankees beat the pants off Tampa Bay 11-0. > Next?< Ummm... up until a little while ago was watching the movie "Con Air" all chocked full of commercials and with colorful language all edited out and trying to repair Bobby's electric guitar. The guitar still needs more work.... *sigh* Best, SueB

Jack, Forget round three. Play some marbles. Tune in the Mets game. Read something mindless but entertaining. Have a big slab of chocolate cake with a glass of milk. You earned it. :>) And yes, I think you come in last. Sharon IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Contest! > I guess I come in last place. Picked Kade up from school, along with two of her friends, made the rounds of other friends to see who could come over and play, ended up with four little girls who decided to go to another friend's house down the street, went home to fix a cup of coffee when WW III broke out, the girls were fighting, chasing each other down the street, had to go break up the fight, chew everyone out, brought Kade home to quickly grab a bite of supper before the next round of disturbances, which wasn't long because one of the little girls called on the phone to continue the fight, prompting me to have to go to her house and tell her the real truth about what she was so upset, it was just a lie on someone else's part, all was forgiven, she came over to our house to play, followed within 30 minutes by the other little girls who promised to behave themself if I let them come in, which lasted all of 10 minutes until they were at it again, she said, she did, she ma! > de me, and of course the neurotic dog that lives here has to jump up and down in the middle of it all and yap yap yap at the top of her lungs, oh gawd, give me a break, so it was pack up the little girls and take them all home while Kade pouts in her bedroom, and I finally get to take a breath and relax at ten o'clock, but I don't go to bed until 10:30 so there's still time for round three. > > Jack Childers in OKC > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

--part1_168.dbdc7e8.2a15cbd2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_168.dbdc7e8.2a15cbd2_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <HBalc27124@aol.com> From: HBalc27124@aol.com Full-name: HBalc27124 Message-ID: <4c.b904f61.2a15c733@aol.com> Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 22:38:43 EDT Subject: Re: [BSChat] Contest! To: workman@dreamscape.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10503 I am sitting in front of the computer writing a sympathy card and waiting for the white-out to dry while I eat four day old potato salad. My husband is in the living room curled up with the hair dryer on his stomach (for his stomach ache) watching Leave it to Beaver on TVland. Pretty vacuuous huh? Terri P.S.. Did I win? --part1_168.dbdc7e8.2a15cbd2_boundary--

I guess I come in last place. Picked Kade up from school, along with two of her friends, made the rounds of other friends to see who could come over and play, ended up with four little girls who decided to go to another friend's house down the street, went home to fix a cup of coffee when WW III broke out, the girls were fighting, chasing each other down the street, had to go break up the fight, chew everyone out, brought Kade home to quickly grab a bite of supper before the next round of disturbances, which wasn't long because one of the little girls called on the phone to continue the fight, prompting me to have to go to her house and tell her the real truth about what she was so upset, it was just a lie on someone else's part, all was forgiven, she came over to our house to play, followed within 30 minutes by the other little girls who promised to behave themself if I let them come in, which lasted all of 10 minutes until they were at it again, she said, she did, she ma! de me, and of course the neurotic dog that lives here has to jump up and down in the middle of it all and yap yap yap at the top of her lungs, oh gawd, give me a break, so it was pack up the little girls and take them all home while Kade pouts in her bedroom, and I finally get to take a breath and relax at ten o'clock, but I don't go to bed until 10:30 so there's still time for round three. Jack Childers in OKC

the Telephone number for Buck house is: whatever you dial from the US for international calls, then : 44 0207 930 4832 go see how unimpressed the guy sounds LOL Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? ListAdmin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. No attachments sent without prior notification Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02

jack, ALL women wish men could have the babies LOL Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? ListAdmin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. No attachments sent without prior notification Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02

janG, the guy on the answering machine sounds very unamused! and goes on to say that if you have genuine business with Buckngham palace to call another number which he gives, so no doubt the texters will just use that number too ! the switchboard at Buck house IS listed in teh telephone directory! Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? ListAdmin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. No attachments sent without prior notification Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02

We were so mindless, we couldn't think of what to cook for dinner so we went out for Chinese to celebrate the arrival of our tax refund check. I hope we didn't spend it all. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Sharon Workman" <workman@dreamscape.com> Reply-To: "Sharon Workman" <workman@dreamscape.com> To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BSChat] Contest! Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 20:26:28 -0400 Sheepers, Let's see who is spending the evening in the most ridiculous, mindless way. You'll have to go some to beat me. I am playing marbles and watching the Yankees beat the pants off Tampa Bay 11-0. Next? Sharon IBSSG, and completely losing it ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

Sheepers, Let's see who is spending the evening in the most ridiculous, mindless way. You'll have to go some to beat me. I am playing marbles and watching the Yankees beat the pants off Tampa Bay 11-0. Next? Sharon IBSSG, and completely losing it

I made several trips back and forth to California and had quite the experiences. On one trip my father decided to be an a..., well, disagreeable, and refused to let me leave. He called the police, who told me they didn't care who my legal guardian was, not even if it WAS the state of Iowa, as long as I was in the possession of my biological father I had to follow his orders. So I just nodded my head in agreement and waited till the fool passed out, which I knew he would do sooner or later. Turned out it was sooner than later, it was that very night. Once he was passed out I just packed my little bag and lit out. I somehow got around Palm Springs, the Salten Sea, however you spell it, and found myself way out in the desert in fruit groves. I stayed a few days in the orange groves, slept there in bundles of something they had stacked up in the groves. After a few days of eating oranges and dates straight from the trees I had this bowel problem and felt like I sure needed a bath. There were canals running all over the place so I just took off my clothes and jumped in one. Wrong idea, it was ice cold ! I decided that I needed to get away from there before I pooped myself to death and somehow got a ride to El Paso, Texas (Hello Mellie) and got stranded again. I didn't like the look of El Paso so I didn't hang around there too long. Looked too mean a town for me. Got as far as Dallas/Ft.Worth, got stranded, took me several days to walk across town to a highway heading north. Some trucker picked me up, tried to get fresh with me, put me out in the middle of nowhere, at night, just north of Dallas. Now folks, I use to be scared to death of the dark, and still was at that time. I kept hearing ghosts making noises in the bushes on the side of the road and was really getting desperate for a ride. Desperate to the point where I would run out in front of cars when they came along, begging for a ride. Finally an older couple stopped and gave me a ride, saved me from the ghosts. But they insisted on patting me down to be sure I didn't have a gun and wouldn't rob or kill them. I sat there for awhile after they searched me, then I asked them if I could shake them down to be sure THEY didn't have a gun and they got offended and put me out, right back in the middle of the ghosts !!! I managed to get to Oklahoma where my granny was, but that was one of the less desirable trips I made in my life. Jack Childers in OKC

I got a Tehachapi story too ! On one of my many hitch hiking trips to and from California when I was a young teen, a driver let me out of the car at Tehachapi. I don't recall what time of the year it was, but it must have been either spring or summer because the daytime was hot as all get out. I was stuck there at dark, couldn't get a ride. So I thought I would just curl up under a tree and sleep. My great cats, I almost froze to death !!! That was my first experience at how cold the desert can get at night. I knew the women's prison was there and I felt sorry for them having to suffer through the hot weather during the day and freezing their little toes off at night. This was during 1958-1960 so I'm sure they didn't have air conditioning then. Jack Childers in OKC

Have visited "outside" help who say for pre-pubescent boys this is "normal" behavior that he will grow out of. Apparently 11-12 year olds have severe desire to fit in with their peers - at school he is tough guy who picks on girls - at home, Rugrats. Take him to work with me, and he is super "science guy" ! He is like the Shmoo - constantly re-forming himself! ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] SEXTUPLETS > > whoa, there's a problem there! You need some outside help, or an opinion at > least, in regards to the older one. That kind of regression is a serious > sign that something's wrong. > > Jan G. > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Telecom Girl" <telecomgirl911@hotmail.com> > Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BSChat] SEXTUPLETS > Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:20:16 -0500 > > This is definitely rivalry, my 11 year old, who will be 12 in June has > regressed to watching Rugrats and Blues Clues, he plays with ALL his little > brother's toys. Little one insists he is the older brother, wants to wear > brother's and Daddy's shoes, get his hair cut like his big brother, it is > they are both searching for their identities in the other! > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

In a message dated 5/15/02 12:30:36 PM Mountain Daylight Time, Robinosborne90@cs.com writes: > He might be using the tree house to climb up and see what he can see. > Scouting or if in view of any windows peeping. > Just a though. Although he may be too old to climb up there. If he is as agile as my Dad was in his 60s, he could indeed climb a tree into a tree house. Any who have picked fruit know what a "topper" is. They are those intrepid persons who climb to the top of the tree, sometimes using a ladder other times not, to pick the topmost fruit on the tree. My Dad did this until his mid 60s. Not as a profession, just to help get food for the table. We used to tease him about being half monkey, only problem there is that his family is the one that is the most documented, also we know what that would make us. LOL Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member Bo-Peep Award Ogden, Utah, USA "God sent his Singers upon the Earth, With songs of Gladness and Mirth. That they might touch the hearts of men, And bring them to Heaven again." --Longfellow