When you hear news like that, it sort of make you want to get branding iron ready for them, to use as they walk through the gate--just snag them and brand them somewhere that's easy seen, like a forehead or hand. P for pervert or M for child molester. I suppose they could have their own choice in that part. I do understand that they had to let the guys go--the rule was definitely unconstitutional. And how would they know that they were telling all they could anyway? It was a stupid rule, from the get go. But, it's still a shame that those guys were getting out. I wonder if there's any hope for a "three strikes" law regarding molesters and rapists--if they're convicted of three of either, total, that they'd be elegible for the death penalty. Seems like being guilty of three means you've got a predictable lifestyle going that won't change. (And those three may be only ten percent of the true total.) Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BSChat] SEERS Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 13:01:36 -0500 I think we on this list are seers. We talk about something and bingo, the next few days that very subject comes up in my newspapers. In todays paper there is a front page article about child molesters being released due to a court order here in OKlahoma. As part of the sex offender program in Oklahoma prisons, the one I mentioned just a few days ago, the participants were required to not only admit guilt about the crime they were currently incarcerated, but also tell all about any other crimes they had committed. If they did not tell all they lost good time, which made them stay in the prison longer. So some of them took it to court and the court ruled May 9th that such practices were unconstitutional because the men, in being required to admit all details of past crimes were in effect incriminating themselves and could have additional charges filed against them, and as we all know, our US constitution does not require anyone to incriminate themself. While I agree with the legal rational of the ruling (it was unconstitutional), the end result of the ruling is that this past Thursday and Friday they released 11 sex offenders to the streets all at once, with an additional 22 possible releases. I was surprised to find out that we have 2200 sex offenders in prison in OKlahoma. By the way, the man, a convicted sex offender, who filed the law suit was named Gary Dean Childers !!!!! He is not related to me that I know of. Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
Your kitties must have a lot of fun chasing each other ALL over the place when you're not looking! Maybe one of them looked up and thought it saw a fuzzy little critter to capture. And then had fun working out the problem of how to get it, so close to the ceiling. I bet there were some "kodak moments" in the process. Jan G. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
Bill, it must be beautiful up there right now! ~~ except for those clouds of mosquitoes--what do you use to keep them away from you? Jan g. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Wild bill <farnorth-ak@gci.net> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Wretched Weather in the Northeast Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 09:51:52 -0500 Sharon Workman wrote: > > Sheepers, > Thought I would cheer you all up. Be glad you live where you live. At my > place, the temp is struggling to get out of the 30s and there is a freeze > warning for tonight. > > Happy spring! > > Sharon > IBSSG > And it's a balmy 70 supposed to head up towards 80 with a clear blue sky and 19 hours of sunshine today in North Pole Alaska. -- Wild Bill, North Pole, Alaska Life is what happens to you while you're making other plans. ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Blacksheep-Chat-L@rootsweb.com is a wide spectrum Chat List, Topics allowed are almost anything.restrictions are: Political discussion, religious prosylitizing, and aggressive behavior, any of these topics will result in restricted priveleges. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Hi Mellie, good to hear you got your new car. Pretty exciting and a good positive thing. Hope you get that tooth fixed soon, sounds like you've got an exposed nerve, guessing about that. What is a Mondeo? I don't think we have that here. Our weather here in San Diego County CA: After a wonderful week of sun and 70-80 degrees F., we're overcast today with a chance of rain on Monday. We're looking forward to it, will probably do a little rain dance later <G>, the native plants will be thrilled if the raid does arrive. Everything else is being watered to keep them flowering. Mel, be watching for an email later today with attachments from me. I took pictures of the plants in our yard. It's just run amuck this year! And the pond is looking good, too. Jan g. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Jack, I'm wondering if rootsweb is also having problems--or hotmail. I'm missing mail too. jan g. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BSChat] SHEEP TAIL Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 09:14:48 -0500 I keep my BlackSheep lamb's tail stuck into the binder of one of my hard copy family tree books and this morning I got up to find one of the cats playing with it ! It was way up by the ceiling, wonder how they got it down ? Nothing else was out of place so at least they were careful in flipping it onto the floor . Also sending this to see if it goes through. Got up this morning to find all of 27 messages in my mailbox. I usually have over a hundred. That tells me MSN is fooling around again. Its been going on big time the last two days. No telling what good stuff I've missed out on with missed mail. If its possible to hate a non human thing I sure do hate MSN. I just don't understand why they have to keep changing my e-mail address around so that I can't get my mail and get kicked off so many lists. Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Yes, I have also had a decrease. Jan g. <<Anyone else noticed a decrease in their email? Best, SueB>> _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
"J. Garland" wrote: > > Bill, it must be beautiful up there right now! ~~ except for those clouds of > mosquitoes--what do you use to keep them away from you? > Jan g. > It is beautiful, no air polution and clouds of smog up here and can see for hundreds of miles. Even the mountains are out today, that's what we say when iits as clear as it is today. The Alaska range is about 120 miles south of here and are usually clouded in. As far as the mosquitoes, haven't noticed many yet and when out in the backyard with a bonfire going and citronela candles burning it keeps them at bay. So the skeeters don't bother me and I do love this time of the year in Alsaka, there is no place on earth that compares to it. Now when I go hiking out in the bush, I wear long sleeve shirts and I use deet and experience no diffulculty with the nasty little buggers. -- Wild Bill, North Pole, Alaska Life is what happens to you while you're making other plans.
Sharon Workman wrote: > > Sheepers, > Thought I would cheer you all up. Be glad you live where you live. At my > place, the temp is struggling to get out of the 30s and there is a freeze > warning for tonight. > > Happy spring! > > Sharon > IBSSG > And it's a balmy 70 supposed to head up towards 80 with a clear blue sky and 19 hours of sunshine today in North Pole Alaska. -- Wild Bill, North Pole, Alaska Life is what happens to you while you're making other plans.
Morning sheeps, its just gone 9am here Saturday, guess y'all still in slumberland, due to time differences. Its a Wet and Cold Morning here, after a couple of days real hot sunshines, think that might have been our summer! anyway, glad to report I got my new Car, didn't have the Scorpio in the end, got a Mondeo, with very low mileage and Automatic, lazy driving! haven' had autos since 1994, so its a nice change, top of the range car too so its got lots knobs and switches and pretty lights to amuse me LOL. I have rampant toothache (the one I chipped the pther week) so took some pain killers last night , never even got to PC, but I am bright eyed and bushy tailed this morning, Can you tell LOL. Am off out to do some shopping in my nice shiny car that is getting rained on outside! catch ya all when ya wake up, hope your weather is better than ours, glad I saw aweather report last few days, and got my garden planted and lawns cut, the rain is doing them grand, but my neighbour didn't do hers and will be stuck fo r a few days with long grass now! see ya all later Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? ListAdmin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. No attachments sent without prior notification Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02
I keep my BlackSheep lamb's tail stuck into the binder of one of my hard copy family tree books and this morning I got up to find one of the cats playing with it ! It was way up by the ceiling, wonder how they got it down ? Nothing else was out of place so at least they were careful in flipping it onto the floor . Also sending this to see if it goes through. Got up this morning to find all of 27 messages in my mailbox. I usually have over a hundred. That tells me MSN is fooling around again. Its been going on big time the last two days. No telling what good stuff I've missed out on with missed mail. If its possible to hate a non human thing I sure do hate MSN. I just don't understand why they have to keep changing my e-mail address around so that I can't get my mail and get kicked off so many lists. Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com
I am an ordained minister, but I do not preach. Jack Childers in OKC ----- Original Message ----- From: Ava Fischer Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 6:24 PM To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BSChat] Preacher Jack did I hear that you are a preacher? Whitewolf
So, if someone paid you $400,000 to be president, you'd turn it down? <G> Look, Jack, I keep telling you to move because you've given so many good reasons why you should be unhappy there. One of the biggest is the state and city you live in--your relationship with them seems to be one similar to an abused wife who keeps going back. And you've talked about a lot of things that go on in your neighborhood that indicate it is not that best place for Kade. Just in the past week you've mentioned problems with a kid whose mom is extremely unstable and today, another kid who's a manipulative loser who plays head trips with Kade. And then you talk about wishing you had a gun to protect you from a home invasion. That's not a common problem in most towns. (A gun wouldn't help you anyway, BTW--unless you plan to keep a loaded gun handy in a drawer where a child could find it. The element of surprise doesn't allow much time for reaction.) From what you're saying, this place that has treated you so badly, kept you in prison 27 years with a too-harsh sentence, and since then tells you what jobs you can't hold and keeps trying to knock you down with a variety of challenges is the one place on earth that gives you the warm and fuzzies. So, all I can figure is harsh times must be your comfort zone. And if that's the case I guess you're living exactly as you want to. And because of that, no large money offer would tempt you. Nor any better place with fewer problems and nicer neighbors. You're living exactly as you see yourself. And if that makes you happy, then that's fine. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BSChat] ABOUT MOVING Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 16:27:30 -0500 I mentioned that I would move from Oklahoma if someone offered me a job where I could make at least $100,000.00 a year. Well, from what I read in a magazine today while waiting in a doctor's office I will have to raise that figure to $641,900.00 a year. The pay scale is derived by totaling the average salaries of 17 occupations that a multi-tasking homemaker performs during the course of a year, including executive chef ($64,000), child care worker ($15,400), psychologist ($47,000), housekeeper ($14,600), management analyst ($56,500), and animal caretaker ($17,200). The U.S. President makes $400,000 a year, but he don't have to cook or take care of the animals. Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
Ok, sorry about that, minister. Did you go to seminary school? I am not just curious I really am interested. Whitewolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Preacher > I am an ordained minister, but I do not preach. > > Jack Childers in OKC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ava Fischer > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 6:24 PM > To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BSChat] Preacher > > Jack did I hear that you are a preacher? > > Whitewolf > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >
Kade had to get a blood test today, the first one ever. I was proud, and surprised, that she didn't cry about it. She seemed more interested in the process than in any pain. Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com
Jack did I hear that you are a preacher? Whitewolf
I mentioned that I would move from Oklahoma if someone offered me a job where I could make at least $100,000.00 a year. Well, from what I read in a magazine today while waiting in a doctor's office I will have to raise that figure to $641,900.00 a year. The pay scale is derived by totaling the average salaries of 17 occupations that a multi-tasking homemaker performs during the course of a year, including executive chef ($64,000), child care worker ($15,400), psychologist ($47,000), housekeeper ($14,600), management analyst ($56,500), and animal caretaker ($17,200). The U.S. President makes $400,000 a year, but he don't have to cook or take care of the animals. Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com
Hi Shirley and Sheepers, The problem with having an e-mail address is that we get spam, hoaxes, jokes, and viruses. Don't know which category that falls into, but I don't like stuff that comes to me from unknown sources. So, let's all ban e-mail! Ooops. I guess that's not such a good idea. Forget I wrote that. Sharon IBSSG, having a decent day. Haven't broken out the marbles game yet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bobert" <bobert@i-1.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 4:10 PM Subject: [BSChat] GUNS VS DRS STATISTICS > Hi, Sheepers! Having a good day? Someone sent me this, no dates, just > numbers, no author...maybe one of Heston's friends or hisself? > Statistics really don't matter much unless one is staring you in the > face, or you are burying one! Shirley: bobert@i-1.net > > Skewed - or Screwy - Statistics? > > > which is safer? > > > Number of gun owners in the U.S.................80,000,000 > Number of accidental gun deaths per year > (all age groups)...............................................1,500 > Accidental deaths per gun owner..................0.0000188 > > > Number of physicians in the U.S.......................700,000 > Number of accidental deaths caused by physicians > per year (all age groups).................................120,000 > > Accidental deaths per physician...........................0.171 > (U.S. Dept. of Health & Human Services) > > > Statistically, Doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than > gun owners. > > > FACT: Not everyone has a gun, but nearly everyone has at least one > doctor. > > > Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors > before this gets out of hand. > > > ********* > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >
Hi, Sheepers! Certain groups of people and some families are very interested in participating in DNA testing. This line of inquiry seems to be going on in several surname lists/digests. Any of you know how a DNA test determines if one has Native American ancestors? What is found in the blood sample that is so different from other ethnic groups or racial bloodlines - is there a certain 'marker' that is present? Very curious! Shirley: bobert@i-1.net
Shirley, from what I've read in other places, those statistics are approximately correct. One that is off a bit: It's believed by studies done that as many as 300,000 people in this country die each year because of doctors, in some way, including errors in prescriptions. The difference between gun-related deaths and doctor-related deaths is that the gun deaths make the headlines. Obviously, from the numbers below, the people in the medical business aren't getting their fair share of the limelight. Part of that is due to the time it takes to determine a person's death. Partly because it's usually due to an error on the part of the doctor, not because of malice or violence, so the police aren't involved. And partly because, when a relative dies at the hands of a doctor, people don't call the newspaper, they call their lawyer. Then everyone hushes up before legal proceedings. And if it's settled out of court, as is usually the case, there's a gag clause, preventing all parties from discussing what happened, which obviously protects the medical people from allowing us potential victims to know the true risks. I look at it this way: When you consider the number of guns in this country, they are amazing safe (or I should, the gun owners/holders are surprisingly responsible and safe). On the other hand, when you look at the numbers of doctors in this country, their degree of education and experience, the number of people killed by them each year are amazingly high. As for statistics not mattering unless you're facing a gun or burying someone who was shot--keep in mind that 85% of the time, shooting victims are shot by people who know them--friends and relatives. So--who are you safer with? You family or strangers? <g> Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "bobert" <bobert@i-1.net> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BSChat] GUNS VS DRS STATISTICS Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:10:21 -0700 Hi, Sheepers! Having a good day? Someone sent me this, no dates, just numbers, no author...maybe one of Heston's friends or hisself? Statistics really don't matter much unless one is staring you in the face, or you are burying one! Shirley: bobert@i-1.net Skewed - or Screwy - Statistics? which is safer? Number of gun owners in the U.S.................80,000,000 Number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups)...............................................1,500 Accidental deaths per gun owner..................0.0000188 Number of physicians in the U.S.......................700,000 Number of accidental deaths caused by physicians per year (all age groups).................................120,000 Accidental deaths per physician...........................0.171 (U.S. Dept. of Health & Human Services) Statistically, Doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners. FACT: Not everyone has a gun, but nearly everyone has at least one doctor. Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets out of hand. ********* ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Hi, Sheepers! Having a good day? Someone sent me this, no dates, just numbers, no author...maybe one of Heston's friends or hisself? Statistics really don't matter much unless one is staring you in the face, or you are burying one! Shirley: bobert@i-1.net Skewed - or Screwy - Statistics? which is safer? Number of gun owners in the U.S.................80,000,000 Number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups)...............................................1,500 Accidental deaths per gun owner..................0.0000188 Number of physicians in the U.S.......................700,000 Number of accidental deaths caused by physicians per year (all age groups).................................120,000 Accidental deaths per physician...........................0.171 (U.S. Dept. of Health & Human Services) Statistically, Doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners. FACT: Not everyone has a gun, but nearly everyone has at least one doctor. Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets out of hand. *********