Just to add a little "gravy" to the discussion regarding Maria Mathie, that last name is very close to a Germanic slang word meaning "small corpulent female". Don't suppose after all this time it would even be conceivable to determine her girth & height at her marriage. Could have been a case of disapproving in-laws. Mike IBSSG --- Shuler Michael --- grinch42@mindspring.com --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.

Please unsubscribe me. I'm off to N.C. for a week. . .will be going to see the race in Charlotte. Thanks, Denise

Jack, Bottom line here is that it all boils down to who is the parent and who is the child, as in, who's in charge? Or *supposed* to be, anyway! The other parents that you describe are doing what I call 'lazy parenting' and letting the kids run the show by continually caving in to their kid's demands because it's just easier than sticking to their guns. The kid with the phone is the frosting on the cake. There's such a thing as time limits and/or their own phone line if she/he can't observe such a thing as common courtesy. I'm soooo thrilled that my kids are grown!!!! Best, SueB

Jack, I'll add one more thing to what the others have said (and I agree with them that you seem to be doing an excellent job with Kade). I watched my mother's family from the prospect of a child growing up. My mother was the eldest of 13 children, and when her mother died, not only was she grown & out of the house, but all 12 others as well. My poor grandfather was very lonely, and started dating again after a respectable amount of time. His children were LIVID! After he had been going with one of the ladies for several months, he decided he would re-marry. My grandmother had been deceased for over 5 years. His 13 children FORBID their father to remarry. The poor man listened to them, broke off his relationship, and lived alone & lonely for an additional 13 years! When my boys were growing up I attempted to tell them my reasoning for all the decisions I made regarding their welfare. The teen years were particularly rough, because they were "feeling me out". I never used the line "because I said so", instead, when they were attempting to be as unreasonable as possible, I simply said that altho they were underage, if they felt they could do a better job of raising themselves than I could of raising them, then they were welcome to pack their things and leave, but to not expect any assistance from me in the future, because they would be breaking my heart. One of the two said "well, since I'm underage, the police will MAKE you help me out & take me back". I said "no, they won't, because if it comes to that I'll give my parental rights to the state, so they can put you in foster care". He never argued with me again, and was 25 years old before he decided to move out! Mike IBSSG > [Original Message] > From: JACK CHILDERS <jaxone1234@msn.com> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 5/19/2002 10:42:20 AM > Subject: [BSChat] I'M ON A RAMPAGE AGAIN ! > > Well, it's just bothering me too much, so I have to ask for some advise on child rearing, again ! > > To begin with, a real can of worms, involving the children of a first marriage being resentful of their step father, saying things like, "You're not my father, I don't have to listen to you", "Mom, make a choice, us children or your new husband". I use to watch Sally and she had a lot of those segments on the show and I quit watching because she always seemed to back up the children, in effect saying that a mother should always go with her kids. Sorry, I do not agree. > > Secondly, related to the first paragraph above, is the situation of children running the show in their families. I seem to be surrounded by lots of families that allow the children to call the shots. Like in, a teenager captures the phone and when you call you cannot get through to a parent because the teenager says she is on another line and you will have to call back later and when I drive over there to tell the parents what is happening the parents grin like silly fools and say that the teenager is in love with the phone and they just can't get her off of it, and, children demanding they go to a skating rink even though the parents have said no a million times and the kids whine and cry and thrash around on the floor till the parents give in and take them skating, and, the small child saying to a visiting child you go home I don't like you any more and the parents backing that rude behavior up and making the visiting child go home, and, a child in a park at dark telling! > the person coming to pick them up that they are not ready to go home and the picking up person just gulps and leaves them in the park. > > I know what I am talking about is lack of discipline and every parent sees discipline differently from any other parent, but it seems to be more than that. It just seems that I have a lot of families here that let the child dictate every waking movement of the family. > > Am I micro managing Kade's life when I expect to be the final authority in making decisions !?! Am I traumatizing her for life when I expect her to obey me and follow my orders ? Is this what causes parents to state, "Because I said so, that's why !!!", which is something I always thought was so wrong. I always give a reason why I say no, but Kade has picked up from other children that she can argue with me over it and by being bull headed she things she will cave me in and get her way. She sees her friends calling the shots in their families and thinks she can do the same here. > > And Jan G., it was the same in Iowa, California, Florida, Texas, Arkansas, Alabama, Missouri and Kansas, so its not an Oklahoma City problem I need to move from to get rid of !!! > > What set me off this morning was a call to the house where Kade spent the night. The teenager who has hijacked the phone system in the house answered out of a deep sleep and said she was still sleeping and couldn't get up to see if Kade was awake and ready to come home. Mind you, there are adults in the house and they have phones, but they don't answer the phone if the teenager is there for fear she will have emotional decline because she couldn't answer it. The teenager is afraid that if someone else answers the phone she will miss an important call from one of her friends. Fine, but if she is going to be the major domo of the phone line she should shoulder the responsibility of informing someone they had a phone call. Snot nosed little brat had the nerve to tell me "I,m still asleep and I won't get up to tramp all over the house to see who is still asleep or not". > > Wrong attitude or not, by golly if a child in my household ever told a caller that it would be years before they ever laid their hands on another telephone. > > Jack Childers in OKC > International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists > http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm > "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" > Jaxone1234@msn.com > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Shuler Michael --- grinch42@mindspring.com --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.

Boy,talk about someone messing up. Our sheriff department left 43,000 rounds of ammo in an unlocked van at the firing range and someone came along and stole it. Just think, what if it were criminals, or gangs or terrorists ? I know whoever stole it was a criminal, but I meant a professional criminal, like an armed robber or a hit man. How does one just leave 43,000 rounds of live ammo lying around in an unlocked vehicle ? Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com

Well, it's just bothering me too much, so I have to ask for some advise on child rearing, again ! To begin with, a real can of worms, involving the children of a first marriage being resentful of their step father, saying things like, "You're not my father, I don't have to listen to you", "Mom, make a choice, us children or your new husband". I use to watch Sally and she had a lot of those segments on the show and I quit watching because she always seemed to back up the children, in effect saying that a mother should always go with her kids. Sorry, I do not agree. Secondly, related to the first paragraph above, is the situation of children running the show in their families. I seem to be surrounded by lots of families that allow the children to call the shots. Like in, a teenager captures the phone and when you call you cannot get through to a parent because the teenager says she is on another line and you will have to call back later and when I drive over there to tell the parents what is happening the parents grin like silly fools and say that the teenager is in love with the phone and they just can't get her off of it, and, children demanding they go to a skating rink even though the parents have said no a million times and the kids whine and cry and thrash around on the floor till the parents give in and take them skating, and, the small child saying to a visiting child you go home I don't like you any more and the parents backing that rude behavior up and making the visiting child go home, and, a child in a park at dark telling! the person coming to pick them up that they are not ready to go home and the picking up person just gulps and leaves them in the park. I know what I am talking about is lack of discipline and every parent sees discipline differently from any other parent, but it seems to be more than that. It just seems that I have a lot of families here that let the child dictate every waking movement of the family. Am I micro managing Kade's life when I expect to be the final authority in making decisions !?! Am I traumatizing her for life when I expect her to obey me and follow my orders ? Is this what causes parents to state, "Because I said so, that's why !!!", which is something I always thought was so wrong. I always give a reason why I say no, but Kade has picked up from other children that she can argue with me over it and by being bull headed she things she will cave me in and get her way. She sees her friends calling the shots in their families and thinks she can do the same here. And Jan G., it was the same in Iowa, California, Florida, Texas, Arkansas, Alabama, Missouri and Kansas, so its not an Oklahoma City problem I need to move from to get rid of !!! What set me off this morning was a call to the house where Kade spent the night. The teenager who has hijacked the phone system in the house answered out of a deep sleep and said she was still sleeping and couldn't get up to see if Kade was awake and ready to come home. Mind you, there are adults in the house and they have phones, but they don't answer the phone if the teenager is there for fear she will have emotional decline because she couldn't answer it. The teenager is afraid that if someone else answers the phone she will miss an important call from one of her friends. Fine, but if she is going to be the major domo of the phone line she should shoulder the responsibility of informing someone they had a phone call. Snot nosed little brat had the nerve to tell me "I,m still asleep and I won't get up to tramp all over the house to see who is still asleep or not". Wrong attitude or not, by golly if a child in my household ever told a caller that it would be years before they ever laid their hands on another telephone. Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com

Talk about strange. I sent a message and my part didn't go, just Jacks I am going to resend. Here is what didn't go. Whitewolf What advice? Sounds like you just needed to vent. You are doing a great job with Kade, of course Kade is going to say well so and so does it. I remember telling my parents the same thing and my kids telling me the same thing and my grandkids telling their parents the same thing. Just be consistent and tell her why you are doing what you are doing. I never liked the, because I say so when I was a kid and didn't use it with my kids. Some people say I don't have to explain myself to my kids, well no you don't, but I think that the kids are smart and if you explain things they see things more clearly and they also see where you are coming from. Now they are still going to resent it, that's part of growing up, every kid needs to push the boundaries, and a lot of times they do that just to make sure you are still there for them and that you are consistent. Kids need consistency in their lives, they need a safe place, they need to know that they are loved, they do not need to be the adult, they do not need to be in charge, they still need to be kids. To many adults are letting the kids be the adults, letting them call the shots, that's just wrong. As far as Sally, I never did take what the talk shows say to heart, its entertainment, and not that good anyway. I'll take a good old comedy any day of the week. Whitewolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ava Fischer" <res0f1lp@verizon.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] I'M ON A RAMPAGE AGAIN ! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 8:40 AM > Subject: [BSChat] I'M ON A RAMPAGE AGAIN ! > > > > Well, it's just bothering me too much, so I have to ask for some advise on > child rearing, again ! > > > > To begin with, a real can of worms, involving the children of a first > marriage being resentful of their step father, saying things like, "You're > not my father, I don't have to listen to you", "Mom, make a choice, us > children or your new husband". I use to watch Sally and she had a lot of > those segments on the show and I quit watching because she always seemed to > back up the children, in effect saying that a mother should always go with > her kids. Sorry, I do not agree. > > > > Secondly, related to the first paragraph above, is the situation of > children running the show in their families. I seem to be surrounded by > lots of families that allow the children to call the shots. Like in, a > teenager captures the phone and when you call you cannot get through to a > parent because the teenager says she is on another line and you will have to > call back later and when I drive over there to tell the parents what is > happening the parents grin like silly fools and say that the teenager is in > love with the phone and they just can't get her off of it, and, children > demanding they go to a skating rink even though the parents have said no a > million times and the kids whine and cry and thrash around on the floor till > the parents give in and take them skating, and, the small child saying to a > visiting child you go home I don't like you any more and the parents backing > that rude behavior up and making the visiting child go home, and, a child in > a park at dark telling! > > the person coming to pick them up that they are not ready to go home and > the picking up person just gulps and leaves them in the park. > > > > I know what I am talking about is lack of discipline and every parent sees > discipline differently from any other parent, but it seems to be more than > that. It just seems that I have a lot of families here that let the child > dictate every waking movement of the family. > > > > Am I micro managing Kade's life when I expect to be the final authority in > making decisions !?! Am I traumatizing her for life when I expect her to > obey me and follow my orders ? Is this what causes parents to state, > "Because I said so, that's why !!!", which is something I always thought was > so wrong. I always give a reason why I say no, but Kade has picked up from > other children that she can argue with me over it and by being bull headed > she things she will cave me in and get her way. She sees her friends > calling the shots in their families and thinks she can do the same here. > > > > And Jan G., it was the same in Iowa, California, Florida, Texas, Arkansas, > Alabama, Missouri and Kansas, so its not an Oklahoma City problem I need to > move from to get rid of !!! > > > > What set me off this morning was a call to the house where Kade spent the > night. The teenager who has hijacked the phone system in the house answered > out of a deep sleep and said she was still sleeping and couldn't get up to > see if Kade was awake and ready to come home. Mind you, there are adults in > the house and they have phones, but they don't answer the phone if the > teenager is there for fear she will have emotional decline because she > couldn't answer it. The teenager is afraid that if someone else answers the > phone she will miss an important call from one of her friends. Fine, but if > she is going to be the major domo of the phone line she should shoulder the > responsibility of informing someone they had a phone call. Snot nosed > little brat had the nerve to tell me "I,m still asleep and I won't get up to > tramp all over the house to see who is still asleep or not". > > > > Wrong attitude or not, by golly if a child in my household ever told a > caller that it would be years before they ever laid their hands on another > telephone. > > > > Jack Childers in OKC > > International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists > > http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm > > "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" > > Jaxone1234@msn.com > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the > subject, CHANGE the subject. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Heads are going to roll. If they don't they should. Whitewolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 8:49 AM Subject: [BSChat] OOPS > Boy,talk about someone messing up. Our sheriff department left 43,000 rounds of ammo in an unlocked van at the firing range and someone came along and stole it. Just think, what if it were criminals, or gangs or terrorists ? I know whoever stole it was a criminal, but I meant a professional criminal, like an armed robber or a hit man. > > How does one just leave 43,000 rounds of live ammo lying around in an unlocked vehicle ? > > Jack Childers in OKC > International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists > http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm > "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" > Jaxone1234@msn.com > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Jack What advice? Sounds like you just needed to vent. You are doing a great job with Kade, of course Kade is going to say well so and so does it. I remember telling my parents the same thing and my kids telling me the same thing and my grandkids telling their parents the same thing. Just be consistent and tell her why you are doing what you are doing. I never liked the, because I say so when I was a kid and didn't use it with my kids. Some people say I don't have to explain myself to my kids, well no you don't, but I think that the kids are smart and if you explain things they see things more clearly and they also see where you are coming from. Now they are still going to resent it, that's part of growing up, every kid needs to push the boundaries, and a lot of times they do that just to make sure you are still there for them and that you are consistent. Kids need consistency in their lives, they need a safe place, they need to know that they are loved, they do not need to be the adult, they do not need to be in charge, they still need to be kids. To many adults are letting the kids be the adults, letting them call the shots, that's just wrong. As far as Sally, I never did take what the talk shows say to heart, its entertainment, and not that good anyway. I'll take a good old comedy any day of the week. Whitewolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 8:40 AM Subject: [BSChat] I'M ON A RAMPAGE AGAIN ! > Well, it's just bothering me too much, so I have to ask for some advise on child rearing, again ! > > To begin with, a real can of worms, involving the children of a first marriage being resentful of their step father, saying things like, "You're not my father, I don't have to listen to you", "Mom, make a choice, us children or your new husband". I use to watch Sally and she had a lot of those segments on the show and I quit watching because she always seemed to back up the children, in effect saying that a mother should always go with her kids. Sorry, I do not agree. > > Secondly, related to the first paragraph above, is the situation of children running the show in their families. I seem to be surrounded by lots of families that allow the children to call the shots. Like in, a teenager captures the phone and when you call you cannot get through to a parent because the teenager says she is on another line and you will have to call back later and when I drive over there to tell the parents what is happening the parents grin like silly fools and say that the teenager is in love with the phone and they just can't get her off of it, and, children demanding they go to a skating rink even though the parents have said no a million times and the kids whine and cry and thrash around on the floor till the parents give in and take them skating, and, the small child saying to a visiting child you go home I don't like you any more and the parents backing that rude behavior up and making the visiting child go home, and, a child in a park at dark telling! > the person coming to pick them up that they are not ready to go home and the picking up person just gulps and leaves them in the park. > > I know what I am talking about is lack of discipline and every parent sees discipline differently from any other parent, but it seems to be more than that. It just seems that I have a lot of families here that let the child dictate every waking movement of the family. > > Am I micro managing Kade's life when I expect to be the final authority in making decisions !?! Am I traumatizing her for life when I expect her to obey me and follow my orders ? Is this what causes parents to state, "Because I said so, that's why !!!", which is something I always thought was so wrong. I always give a reason why I say no, but Kade has picked up from other children that she can argue with me over it and by being bull headed she things she will cave me in and get her way. She sees her friends calling the shots in their families and thinks she can do the same here. > > And Jan G., it was the same in Iowa, California, Florida, Texas, Arkansas, Alabama, Missouri and Kansas, so its not an Oklahoma City problem I need to move from to get rid of !!! > > What set me off this morning was a call to the house where Kade spent the night. The teenager who has hijacked the phone system in the house answered out of a deep sleep and said she was still sleeping and couldn't get up to see if Kade was awake and ready to come home. Mind you, there are adults in the house and they have phones, but they don't answer the phone if the teenager is there for fear she will have emotional decline because she couldn't answer it. The teenager is afraid that if someone else answers the phone she will miss an important call from one of her friends. Fine, but if she is going to be the major domo of the phone line she should shoulder the responsibility of informing someone they had a phone call. Snot nosed little brat had the nerve to tell me "I,m still asleep and I won't get up to tramp all over the house to see who is still asleep or not". > > Wrong attitude or not, by golly if a child in my household ever told a caller that it would be years before they ever laid their hands on another telephone. > > Jack Childers in OKC > International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists > http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm > "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" > Jaxone1234@msn.com > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 8:40 AM Subject: [BSChat] I'M ON A RAMPAGE AGAIN ! > Well, it's just bothering me too much, so I have to ask for some advise on child rearing, again ! > > To begin with, a real can of worms, involving the children of a first marriage being resentful of their step father, saying things like, "You're not my father, I don't have to listen to you", "Mom, make a choice, us children or your new husband". I use to watch Sally and she had a lot of those segments on the show and I quit watching because she always seemed to back up the children, in effect saying that a mother should always go with her kids. Sorry, I do not agree. > > Secondly, related to the first paragraph above, is the situation of children running the show in their families. I seem to be surrounded by lots of families that allow the children to call the shots. Like in, a teenager captures the phone and when you call you cannot get through to a parent because the teenager says she is on another line and you will have to call back later and when I drive over there to tell the parents what is happening the parents grin like silly fools and say that the teenager is in love with the phone and they just can't get her off of it, and, children demanding they go to a skating rink even though the parents have said no a million times and the kids whine and cry and thrash around on the floor till the parents give in and take them skating, and, the small child saying to a visiting child you go home I don't like you any more and the parents backing that rude behavior up and making the visiting child go home, and, a child in a park at dark telling! > the person coming to pick them up that they are not ready to go home and the picking up person just gulps and leaves them in the park. > > I know what I am talking about is lack of discipline and every parent sees discipline differently from any other parent, but it seems to be more than that. It just seems that I have a lot of families here that let the child dictate every waking movement of the family. > > Am I micro managing Kade's life when I expect to be the final authority in making decisions !?! Am I traumatizing her for life when I expect her to obey me and follow my orders ? Is this what causes parents to state, "Because I said so, that's why !!!", which is something I always thought was so wrong. I always give a reason why I say no, but Kade has picked up from other children that she can argue with me over it and by being bull headed she things she will cave me in and get her way. She sees her friends calling the shots in their families and thinks she can do the same here. > > And Jan G., it was the same in Iowa, California, Florida, Texas, Arkansas, Alabama, Missouri and Kansas, so its not an Oklahoma City problem I need to move from to get rid of !!! > > What set me off this morning was a call to the house where Kade spent the night. The teenager who has hijacked the phone system in the house answered out of a deep sleep and said she was still sleeping and couldn't get up to see if Kade was awake and ready to come home. Mind you, there are adults in the house and they have phones, but they don't answer the phone if the teenager is there for fear she will have emotional decline because she couldn't answer it. The teenager is afraid that if someone else answers the phone she will miss an important call from one of her friends. Fine, but if she is going to be the major domo of the phone line she should shoulder the responsibility of informing someone they had a phone call. Snot nosed little brat had the nerve to tell me "I,m still asleep and I won't get up to tramp all over the house to see who is still asleep or not". > > Wrong attitude or not, by golly if a child in my household ever told a caller that it would be years before they ever laid their hands on another telephone. > > Jack Childers in OKC > International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists > http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm > "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" > Jaxone1234@msn.com > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

In a message dated 5/19/02 8:17:32 AM Central Daylight Time, halltown_tn1951@yahoo.com writes: > Waldenses <A HREF="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15527b.htm">CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Waldenses</A>

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Sue and Sheepers, What must one be to kill one's family, including children? MacDonald surely was not insane. I think of him and Susan Smith and Diane Downs as robots, hardly human, just shells that walked and talked....and killed. Sharon IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue & Bobby Bates" <bsbates@netease.net> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Talk about BlackSheep!!!.... > "Edrie Broughton" <etfoam@inreach.com> wrote.... > > I've read quite a bit of Ann Rule, starting with "The Stranger > Beside Me". That one was about Ted Bundy. < > I missed that specific one but have read about ol' Teddikins. > > > "Small Sacrifices" was the most disturbing true story I ever read. > That woman was so selfish and disturbed... < > Boy, you've got that right and she was very histrionic, > additionally--always wanted to be the center of attention. The movie > was pretty good but, naturally, couldn't be as detailed as the book. > I thought Ann did an outstanding job with relating the story. > > >.... I hope the child who survived has grown up okay. Wasn't she > adopted by the DA?< > I think both the girl and the boy were adopted by the DA. Seems > like the son was paralyzed in his legs and the daughter had some > degree of impairment on one side of her body as a result of the > attack. > I found the site by looking for current stats on Jeffrey MacDonald. > Someone there at that site seems to be a fan of his because they sure > glossed over his information and ignored evidence against him, > including the fact that author Joel McGinnis started out believing in > MacDonald's innocence, as did MacDonald's in-law's, and then, after > spending so much time with him, etc., reversed his opinion. > Eh, welllllllllll........... *shrug* > Best, > SueB > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

>.... I think of him and Susan Smith and Diane Downs as robots, hardly human, just shells that walked and talked....and killed. < Amen, Sharon! And I can't help but wonder what's going to come out about poor little Jon Benet Ramsey somewhere on down the road. Soooo sad.......... :-( Best, SueB

Sorry, I can't read true crime stories. My sister has a best friend named Dolly. Dolly's daughter and two little granddaughters were brutally murdered by the man that did the landscaping on their new house. The family will never be the same. The man pleaded guilty, blamed crack cocaine and is spending three consecutive life sentences. Not good enough but it spared the family a trial. Terri

I was just a young man when I went to prison and the overwhelming thing that hit me right between the eyes when I first got there was that most of the men were the walking dead. They had died inside, little or no emotions. You could see it in their eyes. I think that is why I survived in as good of shape as I did. I vowed, right from the start, that I would not become one of the walking dead, that I would always care, that I would never lose the ability to experience my emotions. I think I really put a bee in those people's bonnets because I always cared, and that was so different from what they were. Know what ? I care less now than I did when I was in prison. I wonder why. Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com

In a message dated 5/18/02 11:46:15 AM Mountain Daylight Time, ScismGenie@aol.com writes: > like Jack a decrease in my Tail. my > kids got mine long ago. > My female kitty was after my Sheepie Tail. I caught her playing with it, picked it up, told her no. This about three of times, it hasn't happened a fourth time. Each time I put it back where she got it from. Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member Bo-Peep Award Ogden, Utah, USA "God sent his Singers upon the Earth, With songs of Gladness and Mirth. That they might touch the hearts of men, And bring them to Heaven again." --Longfellow

<HBalc27124@aol.com> wrote.... >.... The man pleaded guilty, blamed crack cocaine and is spending three consecutive life sentences. Not good enough but it spared the family a trial.< Oh, Terri, that's such a shame!! I can't imagine what that poor family went through! It's bad enough when Bobby has to interview his inmates and they discuss their crimes with him. He's got all of the rough ones in his section so you can guess what some of those stories are like. I can always tell days when he's had to go through this. :-( Best, SueB

"Edrie Broughton" <etfoam@inreach.com> wrote.... > I've read quite a bit of Ann Rule, starting with "The Stranger Beside Me". That one was about Ted Bundy. < I missed that specific one but have read about ol' Teddikins. > "Small Sacrifices" was the most disturbing true story I ever read. That woman was so selfish and disturbed... < Boy, you've got that right and she was very histrionic, additionally--always wanted to be the center of attention. The movie was pretty good but, naturally, couldn't be as detailed as the book. I thought Ann did an outstanding job with relating the story. >.... I hope the child who survived has grown up okay. Wasn't she adopted by the DA?< I think both the girl and the boy were adopted by the DA. Seems like the son was paralyzed in his legs and the daughter had some degree of impairment on one side of her body as a result of the attack. I found the site by looking for current stats on Jeffrey MacDonald. Someone there at that site seems to be a fan of his because they sure glossed over his information and ignored evidence against him, including the fact that author Joel McGinnis started out believing in MacDonald's innocence, as did MacDonald's in-law's, and then, after spending so much time with him, etc., reversed his opinion. Eh, welllllllllll........... *shrug* Best, SueB

This issue of mail problems has been discussed on several of my tech lists at work. Apparently MSN and AOL have reconfigured their setups and are having problems. We've also discovered if Aol customers are having trouble getting to their mail they can got through AOL Australia. For some reason there's no trouble using that site. MSN we haven't figured out yet. it's been going on for several weeks but no one "in charge" seems to know why. JoAnn Arnold IBSSG Sharon Workman wrote: > Sue and Sheepers, > Yes, mail is down. Not personal stuff, but the lists sure are slow or > nonexistent. > > Sharon > IBSSG > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue & Bobby Bates" <bsbates@netease.net> > To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 1:30 PM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] SHEEP TAIL > > > "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> wrote.... > > >.... Got up this morning to find all of 27 messages in my mailbox. I > > usually have over a hundred. That tells me MSN is fooling around > > again. < > > > > I don't know if it's MSN or not, Jack. Seems like the volume is > > down across the board. I've not been getting much either, which is > > unusual. > > Anyone else noticed a decrease in their email? > > Best, > > SueB > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > scribe > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237