Doris, I guess that what bothered me about all the stuff that Jack was angered and irritated at was that all those things were avoidable. He doesn't have to deal with those people. Period. He knows enough about them to know that if he does deal with them, he's not going to be happy with the outcome. And being around those people doesn't do Kade any good, except to show her how NOT to be. But, she isn't old enough to pick up on that, so no good lesson will come out of it. And the fact is, Kade doesn't have to be allowed to go to sleep-overs, especially at a place like that. None of my three kids spent a night with anyone other than relatives until they were at least 12 years old. By that age, they're better able to understand what goes on around them, be aware of potential problems, know when to call home when necessary, etc. I also knew the family well, how many kids, what age, what schools they went to, what the parents did for a living, and I knew the child that my kids were friends with well enough to have a feel for any behavior problems that I didn't want my kids to pick up. I knew where they lived and what their home was like inside--relatively clean or a health department problem. I don't take "sleepovers" lightly. The fact is, they're totally unnecessary and usually more trouble than anything else. I told Jack what I explained to my own kids in the past, when they sometimes had friends that were costing them, personally, because of one "monkey" or another. It only goes on as long as you let it. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Doris" <ginlu@charter.net> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] I'M ON A RAMPAGE AGAIN ! Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 06:56:31 -0400 Jan.... You hit it on the head!!! And I have to tell you that when we used to work on giving retreats we had a particularly popular and life-enhancing series called "Apples Of Gold"..... in one of these we spent a whole afternoon of the weekend working on the concept of the monkeys.....first, the way a person can start taking on the monkeys...(we used stuffed toy monkeys)...until they were finally so loaded down that they couldn't see over them---and finally another "friend" comes in leading a huge gorilla on a rope.....created lots of laughs, lightened up the sessions, but definitely made the point; and then we all role-played the process of "handing the monkey back" to the person. As far as that family is concerned, I think you've hit a bull's eye again!! We learn behavior patterns from a lot of different places....friends are a big part of it. In this case, I think that bunch of monkeys need to stay in the cage...but don't send your child to join them. Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] I'M ON A RAMPAGE AGAIN ! Jack, Sounds like you're upset because the problems that exist in that other household started spilling over into your life, things that you didn't like and that you can't control. That family sounds like they have some sizable problems there. I call them monkeys. Some monkeys can be huge and nasty, like alcoholism and drug use, some are co-dependency and other mental illnesses. The other family probably has more than a couple monkeys of various sizes and nastiness, but the one you talked about was a selfish, irresponsible teenager that hogs the phone and does who-knows-what-else that disturbs the general peace in their household. You can't control anything what happens in that household, but you can control whether they're allowed to hand you their monkeys. I have a very strong hunch that you knew exactly what this family was like before you sent Kade over there to spend the night. And yet you let her go. When you did that, you put yourself and Kade at the mercy of whatever monkeys exist in that family. So, why are you upset at them? Did you think they were going to let you control what's going on in their house? Or that they would change momentarily to comply with your wishes and then go back to their usual form of "normal"? Get real! If you don't like the way that family works, why would you let Kade go over there? And why would you let her spend the night? What part of that family, what traits, what monkeys, would you like Kade to learn about or copy and carry home? You need to think about that, because I can promise you, she's going to learn something from them, good, bad, or ugly. Of course people like your neighbors live in every state, but why are you associating with them? You have a choice, Jack. There are plenty of other families with fewer and less serious, less irritating monkeys out there. People who can actually be friends, not just neighbors/ acquaintences by default. Those people Kade stayed with aren't even their own friends, so how are they going to be yours or Kade's? (Friends and the children of friends would not have treated you that way.) I get the feeling that you don't think there's an answer, a solution, you feel 'those people are everywhere', and that you were just venting about their bad affects on you. If you're content to just vent, fine. If you're really interested in solving the problem that caused you all the angst and blood-pressure today, you have the ability to do that. You just have to decide whether you really want things to get better or if you just want to complain about the way you're allowing things to be. It's in your hands. Jan G. <<What set me off this morning was a call to the house where Kade spent the night. The teenager who has hijacked the phone system in the house answered out of a deep sleep and said she was still sleeping and couldn't get up to see if Kade was awake and ready to come home. Mind you, there are adults in the house and they have phones, but they don't answer the phone if the teenager is there for fear she will have emotional decline because she couldn't answer it. The teenager is afraid that if someone else answers the phone she will miss an important call from one of her friends. Fine, but if she is going to be the major domo of the phone line she should shoulder the responsibility of informing someone they had a phone call. Snot nosed little brat had the nerve to tell me "I,m still asleep and I won't get up to tramp all over the house to see who is still asleep or not". Wrong attitude or not, by golly if a child in my household ever told a caller that it would be years before they ever laid their hands on another telephone. Jack Childers in OKC>> _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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I do not know what you are angered by, I do not believe that Jack is wrong for calling and I do not think anyone thinks that. I believe that we all think Jack is doing a very good job of raising Kade. When my children were young we made sure they were safe, that included calling to make sure they were fine or if they wanted to come home, my children's friends parents did the same. Of course we lived in different time than now and we did not live in a big town, but things happen in small towns also. We all had the same goal. Keep our kids safe, loved and happy. Our children never went to anyone's house unless we knew the parents and the children very well. They didn't run wild like some of the children did. (I am not saying my kids were saints, they were not.) On every street in our area there was a safe house, on my street it was my house. I had lots of children in my yard after school. They got a glass of kool-aid and a cookie or two or a roll (it depended on what I had) and they would stay until their parents got home from work. Thank heaven there were only about 12 kids in our neighborhood and I did my own baking. This was the same when I was a child, there was a safe house on each street. Whitewolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "T.L. Leo" <centerice32@yahoo.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] I'M ON A RAMPAGE AGAIN ! > > > Jack, > After reading other people's answers to your email, I find myself angered by there reply s. > You should be praised for wanting to know what your daughter is up to even if she is next door, you have a right to check in on your daughter by phone, and not be told, there asleep, how do you know that she actually was ? > Our daughter is 12, she is the only girl on both side of the family, my husband is full blood Italian and most of his family is in Sicially or here in Buffalo.We have rules in our home that we use when she has anyone over. I want the parent to come into my home so that they may "see" for themselfs where they are leaving there child, I always give them my phone number and encourage them to call anytime, we also have there children call home abt 9pm just to say goodnight. I also give them a pick up time, (some parent's will wait until forever if I do not) We use the same rules with our daughter when she want' s to sleepover her friends house.We also limit her to one a month, one night of my 12 year old not getting enough sleep turn's her into a monster ! > Personally, I really do not care what other's think of my parenting.Yes, we are strict and want to know who are kid's are playing with.With children dissapearing from there own home's, you have to keep them safe.sleep overturns > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I like Ask Jeeves. Whitewolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "brenda parker" <halltown_tn1951@yahoo.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 4:41 AM Subject: [BSChat] search engines > > Am I being childish or is Ask Jeeves a darn good search engine. I used it several times recently > > found sites yahoo didn't mention. It also had an encyclopedia and defined the topic. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Jack, After reading other people's answers to your email, I find myself angered by there reply s. You should be praised for wanting to know what your daughter is up to even if she is next door, you have a right to check in on your daughter by phone, and not be told, there asleep, how do you know that she actually was ? Our daughter is 12, she is the only girl on both side of the family, my husband is full blood Italian and most of his family is in Sicially or here in Buffalo.We have rules in our home that we use when she has anyone over. I want the parent to come into my home so that they may "see" for themselfs where they are leaving there child, I always give them my phone number and encourage them to call anytime, we also have there children call home abt 9pm just to say goodnight. I also give them a pick up time, (some parent's will wait until forever if I do not) We use the same rules with our daughter when she want' s to sleepover her friends house.We also limit her to one a month, one night of my 12 year old not getting enough sleep turn's her into a monster ! Personally, I really do not care what other's think of my parenting.Yes, we are strict and want to know who are kid's are playing with.With children dissapearing from there own home's, you have to keep them safe.sleep overturns --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience

No, you are not being childish about Ask Jeeves. He is my first, long standing, favorite choice of a search engine. My daughter and I use it a lot for school projects. I like google too because they have an image feature. I don't know if AJ has that or not. Jack Childers in OKC

Jan.... You hit it on the head!!! And I have to tell you that when we used to work on giving retreats we had a particularly popular and life-enhancing series called "Apples Of Gold"..... in one of these we spent a whole afternoon of the weekend working on the concept of the monkeys.....first, the way a person can start taking on the monkeys...(we used stuffed toy monkeys)...until they were finally so loaded down that they couldn't see over them---and finally another "friend" comes in leading a huge gorilla on a rope.....created lots of laughs, lightened up the sessions, but definitely made the point; and then we all role-played the process of "handing the monkey back" to the person. As far as that family is concerned, I think you've hit a bull's eye again!! We learn behavior patterns from a lot of different places....friends are a big part of it. In this case, I think that bunch of monkeys need to stay in the cage...but don't send your child to join them. Doris....A Texan in Georgia..... Still shaking the family tree and dodging the nuts after 30+ years! IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Garland" <zippywebgenie@hotmail.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] I'M ON A RAMPAGE AGAIN ! Jack, Sounds like you're upset because the problems that exist in that other household started spilling over into your life, things that you didn't like and that you can't control. That family sounds like they have some sizable problems there. I call them monkeys. Some monkeys can be huge and nasty, like alcoholism and drug use, some are co-dependency and other mental illnesses. The other family probably has more than a couple monkeys of various sizes and nastiness, but the one you talked about was a selfish, irresponsible teenager that hogs the phone and does who-knows-what-else that disturbs the general peace in their household. You can't control anything what happens in that household, but you can control whether they're allowed to hand you their monkeys. I have a very strong hunch that you knew exactly what this family was like before you sent Kade over there to spend the night. And yet you let her go. When you did that, you put yourself and Kade at the mercy of whatever monkeys exist in that family. So, why are you upset at them? Did you think they were going to let you control what's going on in their house? Or that they would change momentarily to comply with your wishes and then go back to their usual form of "normal"? Get real! If you don't like the way that family works, why would you let Kade go over there? And why would you let her spend the night? What part of that family, what traits, what monkeys, would you like Kade to learn about or copy and carry home? You need to think about that, because I can promise you, she's going to learn something from them, good, bad, or ugly. Of course people like your neighbors live in every state, but why are you associating with them? You have a choice, Jack. There are plenty of other families with fewer and less serious, less irritating monkeys out there. People who can actually be friends, not just neighbors/ acquaintences by default. Those people Kade stayed with aren't even their own friends, so how are they going to be yours or Kade's? (Friends and the children of friends would not have treated you that way.) I get the feeling that you don't think there's an answer, a solution, you feel 'those people are everywhere', and that you were just venting about their bad affects on you. If you're content to just vent, fine. If you're really interested in solving the problem that caused you all the angst and blood-pressure today, you have the ability to do that. You just have to decide whether you really want things to get better or if you just want to complain about the way you're allowing things to be. It's in your hands. Jan G. <<What set me off this morning was a call to the house where Kade spent the night. The teenager who has hijacked the phone system in the house answered out of a deep sleep and said she was still sleeping and couldn't get up to see if Kade was awake and ready to come home. Mind you, there are adults in the house and they have phones, but they don't answer the phone if the teenager is there for fear she will have emotional decline because she couldn't answer it. The teenager is afraid that if someone else answers the phone she will miss an important call from one of her friends. Fine, but if she is going to be the major domo of the phone line she should shoulder the responsibility of informing someone they had a phone call. Snot nosed little brat had the nerve to tell me "I,m still asleep and I won't get up to tramp all over the house to see who is still asleep or not". Wrong attitude or not, by golly if a child in my household ever told a caller that it would be years before they ever laid their hands on another telephone. Jack Childers in OKC>> _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 5/7/2002

Am I being childish or is Ask Jeeves a darn good search engine. I used it several times recently found sites yahoo didn't mention. It also had an encyclopedia and defined the topic. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience

Am I being childish or is Ask Jeeves a darn good search engine. I used it several times recently found sites yahoo didn't mention. It also had an encyclopedia and defined the topic. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience

crikey, jack, real time emails! I have just found it, I lost my address book in teh crash, and not all my rootsweb lists were printed out at the time! Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? ListAdmin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. No attachments sent without prior notification Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02

jack, have just found the darn thing! in the FAQ section! Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? ListAdmin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. No attachments sent without prior notification Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02

Jack, a couple of weeks ago you commented onchecking which lists you wre subbed to, I have done this previously, but after a computer crash, I am missing mucho info! could you let me have the URL for this please I can't recall it for the life of me and don't seem to be able to find it on rooswebs front page thanks Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? ListAdmin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. No attachments sent without prior notification Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02

In a message dated 5/19/2002 5:50:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jaxone1234@msn.com writes: > Mellie, I don't know that URL, but I bet Jeff does. > > Jack Childers in OKC She says she found it, it would be http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

Sue, >Bottom line here is that it all boils down to who is the parent and who is the child, as in, who's in charge? Or *supposed* to be, anyway!< When I have the Hi-fi on in my bedroom late at night and one of the "little darlings" appears and switches it off, saying "some of us are trying to sleep around here", I am not sure If I have got things right or not LOL Jack, girls are the worst for "trying it on" with the mouth, my daughter is exasperating sometimes, I am a big believer in explaining what a child can understand, tantrum kids should be shut away from the world, especially Damian and Lucifer (my names for them) my nephews, who are rude obnoxious and downright naughty and need a hell of a lot of discipline, my step brother and his wife just let the kids ride rough shod over them! to the point where folk are now asking them not to visit with the kids!!! I would be sooooo embarrased by that. there are of course the obvious exceptions, thus being children with some specific problem, but just downright obnoxious little louts are the pits, and they get worse as teenagers those types! At least you know the problem exists ths side of the pond too, its not a global thing, its a "western world" thing, too liberal and all that jazz. Mellie IBSSG How Come My Coat Of Arms Has Buckles At The Back? ListAdmin: AUS-NSW-SURNAMES-L@rootsweb.com BAGNALL-L@rootsweb.com BATE-L@rootsweb.com BENTON-ENG-L@rootsweb.com BLACKHAM-L@rootsweb.com FEREDAY-L@rootsweb.com HOLLOWOOD-L@rootsweb.com HOWDLE-L@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. No attachments sent without prior notification Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.360 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02

Jan, you're reading more into my post than what I said. I never said I knew these people well. In fact, I never even mentioned how long I had known them. Fact is, I have only known them a few months, and was not even aware there is a teenager in the house. All I had ever seen was the little girl who goes to school with Kade, and the mother. The mother and I had sat down and talked about what we expected from our kids while they were in either one of our houses. Normal folks ? I don't think there's any such thing. We all have monkeys, some are just covered up more. Jack Childers in OKC

In S La you F up like that they promote you ----- Original Message ----- From: <ScismGenie@aol.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] OOPS > In a message dated 5/19/2002 8:51:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > jaxone1234@msn.com writes: > > > > How does one just leave 43,000 rounds of live ammo lying around in an > > unlocked vehicle ? > > > > Inside Job? > > > Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) > ~~ > Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site > Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site > manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: > B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n > d i c o t t, > S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. > Nv.) > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Mellie, I don't know that URL, but I bet Jeff does. Jack Childers in OKC

Jack, Sounds like you're upset because the problems that exist in that other household started spilling over into your life, things that you didn't like and that you can't control. That family sounds like they have some sizable problems there. I call them monkeys. Some monkeys can be huge and nasty, like alcoholism and drug use, some are co-dependency and other mental illnesses. The other family probably has more than a couple monkeys of various sizes and nastiness, but the one you talked about was a selfish, irresponsible teenager that hogs the phone and does who-knows-what-else that disturbs the general peace in their household. You can't control anything what happens in that household, but you can control whether they're allowed to hand you their monkeys. I have a very strong hunch that you knew exactly what this family was like before you sent Kade over there to spend the night. And yet you let her go. When you did that, you put yourself and Kade at the mercy of whatever monkeys exist in that family. So, why are you upset at them? Did you think they were going to let you control what's going on in their house? Or that they would change momentarily to comply with your wishes and then go back to their usual form of "normal"? Get real! If you don't like the way that family works, why would you let Kade go over there? And why would you let her spend the night? What part of that family, what traits, what monkeys, would you like Kade to learn about or copy and carry home? You need to think about that, because I can promise you, she's going to learn something from them, good, bad, or ugly. Of course people like your neighbors live in every state, but why are you associating with them? You have a choice, Jack. There are plenty of other families with fewer and less serious, less irritating monkeys out there. People who can actually be friends, not just neighbors/ acquaintences by default. Those people Kade stayed with aren't even their own friends, so how are they going to be yours or Kade's? (Friends and the children of friends would not have treated you that way.) I get the feeling that you don't think there's an answer, a solution, you feel 'those people are everywhere', and that you were just venting about their bad affects on you. If you're content to just vent, fine. If you're really interested in solving the problem that caused you all the angst and blood-pressure today, you have the ability to do that. You just have to decide whether you really want things to get better or if you just want to complain about the way you're allowing things to be. It's in your hands. Jan G. <<What set me off this morning was a call to the house where Kade spent the night. The teenager who has hijacked the phone system in the house answered out of a deep sleep and said she was still sleeping and couldn't get up to see if Kade was awake and ready to come home. Mind you, there are adults in the house and they have phones, but they don't answer the phone if the teenager is there for fear she will have emotional decline because she couldn't answer it. The teenager is afraid that if someone else answers the phone she will miss an important call from one of her friends. Fine, but if she is going to be the major domo of the phone line she should shoulder the responsibility of informing someone they had a phone call. Snot nosed little brat had the nerve to tell me "I,m still asleep and I won't get up to tramp all over the house to see who is still asleep or not". Wrong attitude or not, by golly if a child in my household ever told a caller that it would be years before they ever laid their hands on another telephone. Jack Childers in OKC>> _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

In a message dated 5/19/2002 8:51:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jaxone1234@msn.com writes: > How does one just leave 43,000 rounds of live ammo lying around in an > unlocked vehicle ? > Inside Job? Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

In a message dated 5/19/2002 8:42:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jaxone1234@msn.com writes: > "I,m still asleep and I won't get up to tramp all over the house to see who > is still asleep or not". > > Wrong attitude or not, by golly if a child in my household ever told a > caller that it would be years before they ever laid their hands on another > telephone Well, Jack, Parental discipline is just as important as child discipline. The parental supervision is more than just watching your chilod do what they want, and only what they want. Parental responsibility also means setting limits, and sticking to those limits. It also means that as responsibility is shown that those limits may be expanded. There are no "automatics". Children should be aware that the responsibilities to act socially acceptable are what makes life run smoothly. Those who force their way have a longer and harder fight than those who use the existing currents to get to the destination. Your converstaion should be with the parents, and unfortunately, by THIS time the behaviors in both parents and child are pretty well set in stone. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

In a message dated 5/19/2002 8:42:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jaxone1234@msn.com writes: > "I,m still asleep and I won't get up to tramp all over the house to see who > is still asleep or not". > > Wrong attitude or not, by golly if a child in my household ever told a > caller that it would be years before they ever laid their hands on another > telephone Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)