Karen--OH NO DON'T TELL ME THAT! I have pictures of my son sitting in the gazebo at Tezcuco! That was back in the '70's. In June we drove by it. Is the main house destroyed? I would have LOVED to have an antique from there. The Trosclairs, my family, had Angelique, a sugar plantation. According to the book Old Louisiana by Lyle Saxon, in 1928 the Trosclairs did not speak English. My great grandmother had a French accent, and that was when she was in her seventies and had lived in OH for over 40 years. Terri

Karen Which families have lived there? What area of LA was it in? What started the fire? Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "K ORTOLANO" <firebyrd@eatel.net> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BSChat] Plantations Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 19:21:45 -0500 Last week we lost one of our finest plantations to a fire. TUSCUZO . This site shows a really nice picture of it. The slave cabins and African -American Museum were not lost nor the carriage house and other buildings. I have some Furniture I bought from Tuscuzo One piece a lowboy with puppy feet butterfly draws and glass knobs I love , was found in the Barn under a lot of dirt and hay.I got it home and cleaned it up and polished it .Magnificent ! I'm gonna miss that place. KAREN SAVE THE BULL RIDE THE COWBOY! ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

Last week we lost one of our finest plantations to a fire. TUSCUZO . This site shows a really nice picture of it. The slave cabins and African -American Museum were not lost nor the carriage house and other buildings. I have some Furniture I bought from Tuscuzo One piece a lowboy with puppy feet butterfly draws and glass knobs I love , was found in the Barn under a lot of dirt and hay.I got it home and cleaned it up and polished it .Magnificent ! I'm gonna miss that place. KAREN SAVE THE BULL RIDE THE COWBOY!

LOL I know but some of us are or try to be netural .......Custody and control is my job not judge or punish ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] OOPS > With my background you know my halfway house would be ran a bit differently. I have found out that penal personnel are either pro inmate or pro administrative. Guess which one I am. > > Jack Childers in OKC > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

I tried to find the Mafia hit in NYC I think in the '70's that took place in a restaurant (NOT the one when Michael Corleone plugs the NYC chief of police) I'll have to call my sister and ask her. I remember laughing about the guys name. I thought it was Joe Bananas but maybe it was Crazy something. I am pretty sure it took place in the seventies. BTW, we went with our ski group in 1988 with a real nice guy. Three months later he had his wife killed. My husband and his brother ran into him and went to lunch with him. I told my dad, "I know this guy!" My dad said, "Really? I knew the hit man!" Gotta get a better class of friends! The husband O.D. and died the evening before his trial. Terri

I received this for an onlline friend. Jack, these are for you. Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member Bo-Peep Award Ogden, Utah, USA "God sent his Singers upon the Earth, With songs of Gladness and Mirth. That they might touch the hearts of men, And bring them to Heaven again." --Longfellow "Hey Dad," one of my kids asked the other day, "What was your favorite fast food when you were growing up?" "We didn't have fast food when I was growing up," I informed him. "All the food was slow." "C'mon, seriously. Where did you eat?" "It was a place called 'at home,'" I explained. "Grandma Stewart cooked every day and when Grandpa Stewart got home from work, we sat down together at the dining room table, and if I didn't like what she put on my plate I was allowed to sit there until I learned to like it." By this time, the kid was laughing so hard I was afraid he was going to suffer serious internal damage, so I didn't tell him the part about how I had to have permission to leave the table. But here are some other things I would have told him about my childhood if I figured his system could have handled it: My parents never owned their own house, wore Levis, set foot on a golf course, traveled out of the country or had a credit card. In their later years they had something called a revolving charge card. The card was good only at Sears Roebuck. Or maybe it was Sears AND Roebuck. Either way, there is no Roebuck anymore. Maybe he died. My parents never drove me to soccer practice. This was mostly because we never had heard of soccer. But also because we didn't have a car. We didn't have a television in our house until I was 11, but my grandparents had one before that. It was, of course, black and white, but they bought a piece of colored plastic to cover the screen. The top third was blue, like the sky, and the bottom third was green, like grass. The middle third was red. It was perfect for programs that had scenes of fire trucks riding across someone's lawn on a sunny day. I was 13 before I tasted my first pizza. It was a Luigi's Pizza on the west side of Cleveland and my friend, Ronnie, took me there to try what he said was "pizza pie." When I bit into it, I burned the roof of my mouth and the cheese slid off, swung down, plastered itself against my chin and burned that, too. It's still the best pizza I ever had. We didn't have a car until I was 15. Before that, the only car in our family was my grandfather's Plymouth. He called it a "machine." I never had a telephone in my room. The only phone in the house was in the living room and it was on a party line. Before you could dial, you had to listen and make sure some people you didn't know weren't already using the line. Pizzas were not delivered to our home. But milk was. All newspapers were delivered by boys and all boys delivered newspapers. I delivered the Cleveland "News" six days a week. It cost 7 cents a paper, of which I got to keep 2 cents. On Saturday, I had to collect the 42 cents from my customers. My favorite customers were the ones who gave me 50 cents and told me to keep the change. My least favorite customers were the ones who seemed to never be home on collection day. Movie stars kissed with their mouths shut. At least, they did in the movies. Touching someone else's tongue with yours was called French kissing and they didn't do that in movies. I don't know what they did in French movies. French movies were dirty and we weren't allowed to see them. If you grew up in a generation before there was fast food, you may want to share some of these memories with your children or grandchildren. Just don't blame me if they bust a gut laughing. Growing up ain't what it used to be, is it? I think it used to be better!

Every time I think No kin and I go some where, 6 mo's later I find out somebody went and Died or was married there ----- Original Message ----- From: <HBalc27124@aol.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] Hey Karen > Glad my Rodrigue kin is back! Looks like you, Doris, Jan G. and I are the > only ones who appreciate New Orleans. I went to Savannah, headed for Huey's > for a muffaletta, hubby had po' boy. Only wish it were beignets but gotta go > to Cafe du Monde for the real deal. > We were planning on NOLA this fall, but got a good airfare deal so we are > going to VT for a long weekend. No kin there, just a nice time away. > Terri > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Good Luck I'd like to see one run a bit differentthen the ones around here ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] OOPS > Yes, a half way house like a work release, but with a twist, a twist that may just land us the grant because I don't think there is another half way house like what we want. > > The non profit group I devote my energies to, Other Options, deals with people with AIDS. Well, aids patients in prison are a problem for the penal system. Aids patients are usually prohibited from participating in programs like other inmates are, and in Oklahoma they won't send them to half way houses. So we foiund a grant application that gives money to non profit groups to start a for profit business that will eventually make money for the non profit group. We want to start a half way house for aids inmates. I have already got a contact within the DOC who say she can get me the contract if we can get the building. Its a shot, one I sure hope we get. I will be hired as the manager, warden, whatever you want to call the position. > > Yes, half way house make a mint. I read the fiscal report for one of the private half way houses here in OKC and their profits shot up into the millions of dollars. > > Jack Childers in OKC > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

With my background you know my halfway house would be ran a bit differently. I have found out that penal personnel are either pro inmate or pro administrative. Guess which one I am. Jack Childers in OKC

HBalc27124@aol.com wrote..... >... Looks like you, Doris, Jan G. and I are the only ones who appreciate New Orleans....< Hey, wait, whoa!! I've never been there yet but would like to check it out at least once if nothing else than for the music. I enjoyed Biloxi and Gulfport and could see the lights from N'Awlens across the bay. Does that count? :-) Best, SueB

- California Senate Bill 1614 Threatens To Close Genealogy Records California Senate Bill 1614 is a threat to all genealogists. First, it threatens anyone researching California families since this bill, if passed, will reduce access to California records. Secondly, it threatens all genealogists as this could become a precedent, encouraging other states to similarly restrict access to birth and death records. The passage of California Senate Bill 1614 will close the indexes to both birth and death records. These indexes will then be replaced by a "noncomprehensive index" that can only be viewed at the California Department of Health Services and/or in individual county recorders offices. No indexes would be available online, on CD-ROM or in print in any other place. The legislative do-gooders have proposed this obnoxious legislation as a method of preventing identity theft. However, neither the California State Department of Health Services nor any of the county clerks have ever found any incidents where present identity thefts could be linked to either the sale of birth or death certificates or to these indexes. In other words, this piece of legislation is being proposed because someone thinks that there might be a future problem, not because of any recognized past or present issue. The impact to genealogists, however, will be felt immediately if this proposed legislation becomes law. Senate Bill 1614, "Closure of the Birth and Death Records Indexes," passed the California Judiciary Committee on May 7, 2002. It had a rather silly amendment tacked onto it, requiring that people who have already purchased the public domain indexes in the past to now keep the information within the indexes confidential. This retroactive prohibition of previously produced public domain data seems a bit far-fetched to me. Senate Bill 1614 will next be heard in the Appropriations Committee. If it is passed in the Appropriations Committee, it will then go to the Floor of the Senate for a vote. If it passes there, it will go to the State Assembly. Two rules committees in the Assembly must also hear it. Because of the nature of the bill, it should be referred to the Judiciary and then to the Appropriations Committees, in that order. You can follow the developments of this bill on the California State Genealogical Alliance Web site at: http://www.csga.com/legislative_watch.htm . California residents: please contact your state senators and representatives today to tell them your opinion of this bill. You can find the name and e-mail address of your senator at: http://www.senate.ca.gov/~newsen/senators/senators.htp and the name and e-mail of your Assemblyman at: http://www.assembly.ca.gov/acs/defaulttext.asp . Jack Childers in OKC International Society of BlackSheep Genealogists http://www.gbnf.com/genealogy/childers/html/surnames.htm "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads were not paved" Jaxone1234@msn.com

Glad my Rodrigue kin is back! Looks like you, Doris, Jan G. and I are the only ones who appreciate New Orleans. I went to Savannah, headed for Huey's for a muffaletta, hubby had po' boy. Only wish it were beignets but gotta go to Cafe du Monde for the real deal. We were planning on NOLA this fall, but got a good airfare deal so we are going to VT for a long weekend. No kin there, just a nice time away. Terri

Shuler Michael <grinch42@mindspring.com> wrote..... >.... Could have been a case of disapproving in-laws. < You might be more right about that than you think, Mike. I'm on my old Comcrap pc at the moment (read: no genealogy files) because my main one is visiting a friend and getting a much needed tune-up. Pulling from my own memory here, seems like one of the records that I stumbled across listed Anton Schwick and Maria Josefa (sp?) Ritz as parents of Adolph Schwick, of Canton Valais, who served in the Swiss Guard. I have *never* found anything concrete to tell me that Mathie was Maria's maiden name and, honestly, this record looks more plausible to me than what I've heard from family members to date--the ones that said that the couple *owned* a farm in Crown Point, IN. Uhhh huhhhhh.... ;-) When checked by a Swiss researcher, Mathie wasn't even a name listed in the Swiss record books though Maria indicated on the census records that her parents were Swiss. Hmmmmmm..... The plot thickens......... Best, SueB

Yes, a half way house like a work release, but with a twist, a twist that may just land us the grant because I don't think there is another half way house like what we want. The non profit group I devote my energies to, Other Options, deals with people with AIDS. Well, aids patients in prison are a problem for the penal system. Aids patients are usually prohibited from participating in programs like other inmates are, and in Oklahoma they won't send them to half way houses. So we foiund a grant application that gives money to non profit groups to start a for profit business that will eventually make money for the non profit group. We want to start a half way house for aids inmates. I have already got a contact within the DOC who say she can get me the contract if we can get the building. Its a shot, one I sure hope we get. I will be hired as the manager, warden, whatever you want to call the position. Yes, half way house make a mint. I read the fiscal report for one of the private half way houses here in OKC and their profits shot up into the millions of dollars. Jack Childers in OKC

have to score 100% on Mandatory the 99.07 was the non mandatory.1/2 way house like a Work release??? the ones here in Louisiana are making a fortune off the inmates . they charge for room and board and sometimes the people end up sleeping on the floor. I wonder how they get away with some of the things we hear abt going on there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] OOPS > Karen, a friend and I are applying for a grant from Yale to fund a halfway house. We will have to have ACA accreditation also. But I am up on that. Heck, they send you a book telling you what all you have to do. Congrats on the 99.07, that's good score. Was that on the mandatory, optional or all of it ? > > Jack Childers in OKC > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

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Karen, a friend and I are applying for a grant from Yale to fund a halfway house. We will have to have ACA accreditation also. But I am up on that. Heck, they send you a book telling you what all you have to do. Congrats on the 99.07, that's good score. Was that on the mandatory, optional or all of it ? Jack Childers in OKC

we were up for RE ACREDITATION scored 99.07 And been going to Texas riding 2 big rallys Dawgs on Hawgs and Run for wheels gonna stay home a few weeks now I think woking on My Cowboys Genalogy had some big breaks this week found his GGGF and GGGGF and Need to search in California and NEW YORK now hummmmmmm ROAD TRIP ----- Original Message ----- From: "JACK CHILDERS" <jaxone1234@msn.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] OOPS > They found the ammo ! Someone called in an anonymous tip and said they ammo was stored in plastic barrels all around a local lake. A helicopter went up and sure enough found them. The anonymous called gave them that longitude and latitude finder settings, what is it, GSA or something like that. > > Whee you been lately Karen ? Missed hearing from you. > > Jack Childers in OKC > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

They found the ammo ! Someone called in an anonymous tip and said they ammo was stored in plastic barrels all around a local lake. A helicopter went up and sure enough found them. The anonymous called gave them that longitude and latitude finder settings, what is it, GSA or something like that. Whee you been lately Karen ? Missed hearing from you. Jack Childers in OKC

My maternal great grandmother was buried under her maiden name. She got in trouble, had a shotgun wedding, my grandfather was born 6 months later, my greatgrandfather vanished shortly there after. We still haven't located where he went to. *giggle* Have often wondered if he wasn't secretly buried byhis father- in-law in Sumner Couny TN. or one of her four brothers. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience